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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: FX1 on July 19, 2006, 12:04:46 AM
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If you cant check your bellybutton dont blame it on me. I have had it with people getting upset over no check 6 calls. Check 6 for me is nice but i dont really need it. Had someone on range vox go ape today, not the first time he has done this. I dont really get picked some times but not really. If i do get picked it because i have five guys on me. I think ACM and having a clue has something to do with it. I would tell you the story but every guy in the bbs knows it. One con west i am working two cons just out of dot range. Kill one guy then he starts up with the no check 6. I kill the other guy with him in the back ground vox Bla Bla.
I never get mad but this game play is not for me. Most guys are cool but it only takes a couple to screw up a party. I understand if i am 600 off a con and he climbs up to someone then i blast him. Most of the time i think its because they dont get any at home so they take it out on this game (:
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I agree. Two words: situational awareness
27th
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Sometimes i say something but its to my sqaud. I can always get more kills.
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I know the feeling FX, but it happens. People get really worked up over this GAME!! Its amazing sometimes!!
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Originally posted by FX1
If you cant check your bellybutton dont blame it on me.
Geez...like most of these guys could find it with both hands!! (and a mirror :D)
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Maybe he meant the the 5 too 6 guys who are chasin 1 La-7 and don't say a thing and let him run up on you as too use you for the bait.Bottom line you put yourself into every situation it;s your responsibility.
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Totally agree with you FX1, Check 6's are a luxury in this game and are open to be misused also.
If you can't check your own backside than thats your own fault no-one elses.
It takes me a couple of seconds to find the buttons and when your in a dogfight sometimes it selects the wrong player and is too slow. I had a little discussion with wilbuz about the morals of having ch6 in game and he made the point it is there for people without mic's which is fair enough. Otherwise I would suggest removing it completely.
I've had friendlies give me a ch6 when im about to kill someone and then to go on and take my kill.
Bruv
~S~
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Originally posted by Bruv119
I've had friendlies give me a ch6 when im about to kill someone and then to go on and take my kill.
Bruv
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Maybe they're not so friendly after all. :confused:
Seriously, new folks don't have the SA the vets have. They get their lives saved a time or two from a check 6 call and think that's one of the best thing the game has. The next thing you know they think they should be giving them all the time since it sure seemed helpful to them. Then they expect you to return the favor cause we're all on the same team, right?
Which raises two important questions. Have you NEVER been givin a check 6 that saved your life and said, "Whew! Thanks!". Have you ever given someone a check 6 that saved their skins?
It does take time for everyone to develop SA. And as long as new folks show up and fly they WILL give a check 6 to you when you're D5000 and they can't even see who's behind you. They do learn just like you did.
Give em a chance and help them to understand is all....:)
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Give em a chance and help them to understand is all....:)
well said ren. SA takes a long time to get right, so it's usually the new guys that whine about it :) next time you have a chance, pop by the TA and spread the knowledge ;)
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i dont mind a check6 that much and i give them out becuase i dont want all my friendlies dieing then im the only 1 left. sometimes i lik giving ch6s becuase they really help out the other guy plus when u say it over vox it makes me more alert of where that con it. so in some cases i like to give out ch6s.
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
Maybe they're not so friendly after all. :confused:
Seriously, new folks don't have the SA the vets have. They get their lives saved a time or two from a check 6 call and think that's one of the best thing the game has. The next thing you know they think they should be giving them all the time since it sure seemed helpful to them. Then they expect you to return the favor cause we're all on the same team, right?
Which raises two important questions. Have you NEVER been givin a check 6 that saved your life and said, "Whew! Thanks!". Have you ever given someone a check 6 that saved their skins?
It does take time for everyone to develop SA. And as long as new folks show up and fly they WILL give a check 6 to you when you're D5000 and they can't even see who's behind you. They do learn just like you did.
Give em a chance and help them to understand is all....:)
Agree 100%
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As a noob I appreciate a check six or, as happened Sunday, a vet telling me to bail out but I don't EXPECT it. If I go up it's up to me to come back alive. Any help is great but, speaking for myself only, not expected.
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Originally posted by FX1
If you cant check your bellybutton dont blame it on me. I have had it with people getting upset over no check 6 calls. Check 6 for me is nice but i dont really need it. Had someone on range vox go ape today, not the first time he has done this. I dont really get picked some times but not really. If i do get picked it because i have five guys on me. I think ACM and having a clue has something to do with it. I would tell you the story but every guy in the bbs knows it. One con west i am working two cons just out of dot range. Kill one guy then he starts up with the no check 6. I kill the other guy with him in the back ground vox Bla Bla.
I never get mad but this game play is not for me. Most guys are cool but it only takes a couple to screw up a party. I understand if i am 600 off a con and he climbs up to someone then i blast him. Most of the time i think its because they dont get any at home so they take it out on this game (:
Haha - yea - u dont get picked alot at 10K+ in a Spit 16. Usually you get to be the picker then.
Check 6's should be offered if you see it and arent in the heat of the battle at the moment, IMHO. Even if YOU and your uber ride dont need it, that doesnt mean the newer guys or 'team' focused guys dont want/need it.
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Unless your flying as a team with a specific wingman/men/people
Consider any check6 you get as a gift and say "thank you." reguardless of if you needed it or not
And blame only yourself if you die and didnt get one.
Your designated wingman is the only one that "owes" you a check6
for everyone else its simply a non mandatory courtesy.
Im thankful when I get em, even if I dont need them.
And blame myself for poor SA when I dont
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Most of the check6's I receive warn me about the plane that I've either already been tussling with for a few minutes, or which is on my 12.
Many of the other check6's are for a plane I have been tracking behind me for 2-3k or so, along with the good guys 3-4k away, right up until I'm already making my break at which point I get the check 6.
A few check6's I really do need.
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Keeping an eye on your own 6 is your responcibilty, and ALL check 6's are a gift.
However, the guys that really "frost my behind" are the one who use you as bait and take a week to clear your 6, and never give you a check 6. I am more than happy to drag someone for ya, and I'll even tell you which way I'll drag them so you can "cut the corner", but I can't do a good job of it if I don't know yous guys are climbing up my butt !! I'm just here to help !! I fly best as a target :lol
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I agree but the only thing that gets me is when..... lets say im tailing a enemy con he takes me vertical i go vertical as well next then i know i her ping ping ping..no more wing and as im in my parchute <-"SP?"falling back to the ground i see 4 good guys tailing the con that got me......I mean its not that hard to say "Goldie check it" or somthin like that. Thats the only time i get "upset" about C6's and its really not even upsetjsut frustrating.
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I hearby blame all of my "virtual deaths" on FX for not giving me a check six.
Bucky:rofl :rofl
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handing out check 6's is good for everyone...if your good enough to fight 3 or 4 cons at once you should be able to click a thumb view on your hat and press a button.. " Im so good and everyone should be like me with great SA and acm/gunnery" is a poor attitude and doesnt help the newbs learn at all. Im a decent stick with fair SA but I appreciate every 6 call I get.. Yes it is ultimately your own responsibility, however being smug and saying " I dont need 6 call's " is pretty arrogant, as is this post searching for reassurance on how great you are :rolleyes: If nothing else all the newbs may live a little longer, thus giving you a better chance of fighting longer and controlling the airspace....I saw you fighting on the deck last night and came to help you repeatedly when you were outnumbered..I gave you 3 or 4 six calls and you didnt return the favor once, now I dont mind because Ive played long enuff to expect to get picked, but I can see a newbs point of view. Although ranting on range "other than being funny" is not the proper course of action, If I was him Id tell you where to stick it as well.
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I just tell them I forgot to reset my Check6 key after clearing it for KOTH flying.
"Honest, I kept hitting the key and nothing happened!"
:D
Contrary to popular belief, the Titanic didn't hit an iceberg. The ship was off course and accidentally ran into Chuck Norris while he was doing the backstroke across the Atlantic.
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
As a noob I appreciate a check six or, as happened Sunday, a vet telling me to bail out but I don't EXPECT it. If I go up it's up to me to come back alive. Any help is great but, speaking for myself only, not expected.
Couldnt say it better.
It IS good to give em out, helps everyone and its just...nice. But it isnt a right.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Consider any check6 you get as a gift and say "thank you." reguardless of if you needed it or not
And blame only yourself if you die and didnt get one.
Dred has it right. I never expect a chk6, and when I get one, even if it is an accident not meant for me or for a guy that is on my 12 I always say "thanks" or "better to get one too many chk6's than one too few."
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Always give them if I can, and never expect them. Do unto others...
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We had a bit of a problem with the check six's, within the squad, a few months back. I agree, a check six shouldn't be expected. If it were the you let SA drop. Below is a post (ltar web) I made addressing the check six issue, and the whining that went with it:
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…….so you and your buddy are driven down the ole boulevard when all of a sudden………….at the 10 o’clock in the front yard stands a long legged beauty, and she’s wearing a G-string……. WOW!!!!! Next thing you know BOOM!! You just rear ended the car in front of you. Ya look over to your passenger and begin screaming at him “WTF didn’t you warn me!!!!”, and then begin verbally abusing your passenger , FOR YOUR FAILURE AS A DRIVER. Is the passenger responsible for your driving habits, I think not. You had become so fixated on the G-string that you forgot to keep an eye on your surroundings. It’s pretty easy to blame someone else for your absolute failure as a driver, but had you paid attention to the whole picture, instead of one corner of the picture, the accident would not have happened to begin with.
Is there anyone in this squadron that doesn’t think another member wouldn’t give a check six call if they could? Ultimately who’s responsibility is it to cover your butt…………YOURS! You get a check six…….take it and run with it…….as if it were a special gift. However, don’t count on it. You’re the driver, you’re the one that needs to be aware of your situation, not me, not another pilot, YOU! If your getting shot down while closing on a target…………..and then I hear the “WELL NO ONE GAVE ME A CHECK SIX!!” whine, then guess what……….tells me your suffering from Target Fixation & lack of SA. So whine no more, if you feel the need to scream, whine, or beach, .....then get in front of a mirror and have at it. If that doesn’t work, Walmart has a special on rear view mirrors, go buy one and mount it onto your screen. That is all.
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Since the post everyone has made effort to improve SA & avoid Target Fixation. Bottom line is ya can't count on someone else to watch your butt........:noid
Rokit
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personally,i think it is the responsibilty of every member in bishland to give me check-6s.it is only good for our nation to circle the wagons around me so as i do not get kilt.how many bruised ribs can a little dog take when ol' bricky gets nailed from behind(bring on the jokes, idare ya)and kind-hearted bricky goes beserk..kicks hound..reaches for hard-liquor and commences to wonder how the world would go to hedoubletoothpicks without him.so keep em commin...repeat after me ..nothing is more important than for brick to live. thanks for caring:p
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LOL ... I gave a check6 to a guy the other night ... except he was coming towards me and the enemy, who I thought was behind him.
Next thing I know, the friendly takes it in the face and as he flys by me (a smoking wreck) he says over vox ...
"Slapshot ... they guy was in front of me you jerk"
I guess when he got the check6 he looked behind him, which caused him to take his eye off the guy infront of him ... ergo ... the HO.
MY BAD !!! ... :rofl
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"where's my check 6!!!!!" moaners are fun. I say the same thing....
"If you can't wipe your own arse, get out of the big boys bathroom"
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Originally posted by goldelks
I agree but the only thing that gets me is when..... lets say im tailing a enemy con he takes me vertical i go vertical as well next then i know i her ping ping ping..no more wing and as im in my parchute <-"SP?"falling back to the ground i see 4 good guys tailing the con that got me......I mean its not that hard to say "Goldie check it" or somthin like that. Thats the only time i get "upset" about C6's and its really not even upsetjsut frustrating.
I agree Elks
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no more wing and as im in my parchute
MEAT PUPPET !!!! ... go BOOM !!!
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For the most part i give my out check 6 calls to anyone that needs it. The problem is when you cant give a 6 call and someone gets mad with you. If I am in a furball a big furball most of the time i dont have time to look around and make sure that guy doesnt have a con on his 6. In those big furballs i am always looking at my high 6..
Also i use the check 6 to let people know that i am otw. Thats always a good feeling to be fighting a couple guys and know a friendly is their to help you out. One of my rules i always give a check 6 before i drop in a fight.
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I never give hub a check 6. Not that it would help him much anyway.
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The opposite is also just as annoying, I was in a 2 vs 2 the the other day and the friendly with me was giving me chk 6s like every 5 seconds. Its like ya cripes I see them dude, put a sock in it. ;)
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lol Amen to that to many check 6s and ur head starts to spin!:rolleyes:
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With Moil I try to give a check six just as I know nme is fixin to fire.....................he gets his check just as the bullits begin ripping through his plane......................th en we all get to watch as that purple vein begins popping out in the middle of his forehead..... "What ---you got a check six......must be lag :rofl ".
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I get and give checks all the time, and the difference I notice from the checks I get are the vets let me know before something is on my bellybutton while the newbies are giving me checks when tracers are already flying past
FX1, I noticed in your stats most of your kills are the in spit16 - kind of stands to reason that you probably have tunnel vision and your SA is 99.9% on yourself.
I have flown through a furball with 25 knits in it and the radio was dead.....silent...nothing.... in my book if I am the only one talking then I probably need to find a different area to fly in.
Originally posted by FX1
If I am in a furball a big furball most of the time i dont have time to look around and make sure that guy doesnt have a con on his 6. In those big furballs i am always looking at my high 6..
I agree, no one should get chewed out for not checking another guys six but I am also having a hard time figuring out why its soooo hard for people to use thier mics??!?!
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FX1, I noticed in your stats most of your kills are the in spit16 - kind of stands to reason that you probably have tunnel vision and your SA is 99.9% on yourself.
He IS a total newb ... I mean he does fly the Spit 16 alot ... just ignore him ... ;)
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Originally posted by SlapShot
FX1, I noticed in your stats most of your kills are the in spit16 - kind of stands to reason that you probably have tunnel vision and your SA is 99.9% on yourself.
He IS a total newb ... I mean he does fly the Spit 16 alot ... just ignore him ... ;)
I have mirrors all around me in my room to see how awesome I look pwning newbs on the server so I can move my rank from #2 to #1...god I love de_dust.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
FX1, I noticed in your stats most of your kills are the in spit16 - kind of stands to reason that you probably have tunnel vision and your SA is 99.9% on yourself.
He IS a total newb ... I mean he does fly the Spit 16 alot ... just ignore him ... ;)
Holy fricking crapballs. He flies a Spit XVI that much, and he complains about people getting on his bellybutton for not giving six calls?
I give six calls to whoever I can when they need them. It's called being a good wingmate. Obviously some people are too pigheaded to see that (especially those who find it enjoyable to fly such easy aircraft).
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Geeze Louise ... why do you guys keep quoting me.
FX1 wasn't complaining about NOT getting a check6 call ... he was venting cause some guy went ape watermelon on him for not giving him a check6 call.
I was only funning with FX1 on him flying the Spit 16 ... and I think he knows it.
I have run into FX1 more than once and believe me when I tell you that FX1 is more than capable when flying ANY plane in this game and his SA is far above average. It is not an easy task to "get on his ass" ... you will know what I mean if you run into him.
He doesn't fly the Spit16 as a "crutch" ... he flies it cause he LIKES it and has FUN in it and finds no need to PROVE anything to anybody. More people should have the same attitude and drop the bullchit ... "you fly a ez-mode plane".
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You mean people give check six's in this game?
Geez I thought the norm here was...
1) If you see a friendly 200 ft behind a bad guy, blazing away, its COOL if you fly in front of his tracers and attempt to steal the kill.
2) If you see a flaming hulk with no wings or tail falling to Earth on fire, you should immediately follow it down and put as many rounds as you can in it
:cool: ;)
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More people should have the same attitude and drop the bullchit ... "you fly a ez-mode plane
Does that bother you?Are you a easy plane flyin type?
I bet he use too just fly the spitV, because before the 16 came out that is all you encountered just about.
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I have a simple rule: I give a check 6 whenever I see the need. However, I do not expect one, because I watch my own six. But if I get one, it's appreciated and the giver's handle is noted.
Now, for the habitual whiners, complainers and ill-mannered tarts... They're on their own.
My regards,
Widewing
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Please correct your numerous grammatical errors in your sig, autopilot. My poor languange can't defend itself. And it takes any credence away from any of your statements. Not that there would be any if you fixed them but it would give you more of a chance not to look like an uneducated hillbilly.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
LOL ... I gave a check6 to a guy the other night ... except he was coming towards me and the enemy, who I thought was behind him.
Next thing I know, the friendly takes it in the face and as he flys by me (a smoking wreck) he says over vox ...
"Slapshot ... they guy was in front of me you jerk"
I guess when he got the check6 he looked behind him, which caused him to take his eye off the guy infront of him ... ergo ... the HO.
MY BAD !!! ... :rofl
I dont understand the complaint.
IT takes me all of about 1/10th of a second to check my 6 view and see if someone is there before Im looking forward again
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I dont understand the complaint.
IT takes me all of about 1/10th of a second to check my 6 view and see if someone is there before Im looking forward again
:aok
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Originally posted by plank
Please correct your numerous grammatical errors in your sig, autopilot. My poor languange can't defend itself. And it takes any credence away from any of your statements. Not that there would be any if you fixed them but it would give you more of a chance not to look like an uneducated hillbilly.
I know what his answer will be. He doesn't want too.
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Plank, I find your below statement to be interesting in that your own grammatical errors make you out to be a hypocrite.
Please correct your numerous grammatical errors in your sig, autopilot. My poor languange can't defend itself. And it takes any credence away from any of your statements. Not that there would be any if you fixed them but it would give you more of a chance not to look like an uneducated hillbilly.
Perhaps you should clean up your own mess before you criticize others.
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Originally posted by PonyDriver
Plank, I find your below statement to be interesting in that your own grammatical errors make you out to be a hypocrite.
Perhaps you should clean up your own mess before you criticize others.
I didn't comment on his post, errors happen all the time in them; I wouldn't fault someone for that. In a sig, however, you must see them over and over again. Thanks for your post anyway, and feel free to point out my errors, they are probably minor compared to not knowing the proper form of your/you're. Especially considering they are supposed to be quotes.
Drive through to the next window, please.
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bait + hook lol
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I'll take your word for the you/you're thing as I just don't feel like looking for one of his posts. May I have fries with that, please?
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Originally posted by PonyDriver
I'll take your word for the you/you're thing as I just don't feel like looking for one of his posts. May I have fries with that, please?
Heh. Just look up, he used it incorrectly in the post in question.
Fries come with the combo meal, ketchup is 25 cents a pack.
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Spit 16 is my baby
Tempest is my hooker
I fly the 16 for fun. It's the best tool for my tactics.... I have been working on my low alt furball so the tempest is in the hanger. I am thinking about braking it out next camp..
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Its good form to call 6.
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
Does that bother you?Are you a easy plane flyin type?
I bet he use too just fly the spitV, because before the 16 came out that is all you encountered just about.
LOL ... there isn't much in this game that bothers me ... especially what plane I fly.
I have flown them ALL ... and I have my favorites ... currently the FM2 and F6-F are my choice of rides. Are they "manly", are they "easy" ? ... I could give a watermelon less ... I fly to have fun and not worry about what others think of me and what I fly ... simple as that.
I can tell that you suffer from "peer acceptance" ... yeah he use toO fly the Spit V alot and so did I.
What most don't understand is ... yes the Spit V is a dangerous turn fighter and will hand most people their collective asses, but what most don't understand is that the Spit V CAN NOT leave the fight. You have to kill any and all when engaged ... or you don't get to go home. That's not true of the list of "manly" planes that people spout about.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I dont understand the complaint.
IT takes me all of about 1/10th of a second to check my 6 view and see if someone is there before Im looking forward again
Me neither DRED ... but I guess he spent more time looking behind him and not infront of him.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Me neither DRED ... but I guess he spent more time looking behind him and not infront of him.
Well when approching an enemy AC head on. That will get you in trouble in the MA almost every time.
His own fault. Anyway you slice it.
If he was that close to a HO pass he should have been thinking about and executing his next manuver which probably would have solved both problems if someone were on his 6
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Originally posted by SlapShot
toO .
I was wondering if I was the only one who noticed this in every sentance from him. Now I see you noticed it to0
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Well when approching an enemy AC head on. That will get you in trouble in the MA almost every time.
His own fault. Anyway you slice it.
If he was that close to a HO pass he should have been thinking about and executing his next manuver which probably would have solved both problems if someone were on his 6
You are preachin to the choir ...
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Maybe it's just a matter of education, I'll try and help.
If you hit '2' on your numpad, you can see behind your plane!
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or map it to your joystick...
I did and its so much fun to see the bullets fly up my posterior :O
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As for the check six thing,if you die because of no check six you deserve it .your butt ,your problem.now if you have a squadie or wingman your butt is their problem:aok
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Check 6's are helpfull, It's saved my rear a few times. I don't expect them, but they are nice to get. I return the favor as often as I can...It does bother me though when people get upset over not getting one. I've seen a guy with three cons on his tail I tried to give him a check, but I checked the wrong person(which happens too often for me) I figured he had to know they were, then boom...gone "thanks for the check!". I pretty much figure there is at least one on me at all times because of the big orange letters on my plane that say "kill me first", I have never gotten upset over a sudden blood filled end to my sortie, I just figure I need to be more aware.
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Amen! I think you said it well. I always think" Man he HAS to know there is 3 bad guys behind him" however I'm always wrong it seems.