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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Yoshimbo on July 20, 2006, 02:33:05 AM
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I kno nuthin's gettin added till after CT (CT! w00t!)
but i feel i must post these anyway:D
Gloster Gladiator I or II
(everybody used it, and was used in some 34 different squadrons. Good for those REALY early war scenarios, lol)
Armée de l'Air!!!
Potex 630
More than 700 Potez 63.11 were delivered by June 1940.
All members of the family (possibly except the Potez 637) shared pleasant flying characteristics. They were well designed for easy maintenance and later models had a heavy armament for the time (up to 12 light machine guns for the Potez 63.11). They were also quite attractive aircraft. Although not heavily built they proved capable of absorbing considerable battle damage.
(a multi-role twin engine aircraft. think 110, but French, and waaay suckier firepower)
(http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5980/potez6311my3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
General
Length: 10.93 m (35 ft 11 in)
Wingspan: 16.00 m (52 ft 6 in)
Height: 3.08 m (10 ft 1 in)
Empty: 3,135 kg (6,911 lb)
Maximum takeoff: 4,530 kg (9,987 lb)
Powerplant: 2x Gnome-Rhône 14M-4/5 radials, 522 kW (700 hp) each
Performance
Maximum speed: 425 km/h (264 mph)
Range: 1,500 km (932 miles)
Service ceiling: 8,500 m (27,885 ft)
Rate of climb: 500 m/min (1,640 ft/min)
Armament
1-12x fixed, forward-firing 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine gun
1x fixed, rearward-firing 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine gun
1x flexible, rearward-firing 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine gun
4x 50 kg (110 lb) bombs
(i wonderwut 12 light MGs ripping into the side of emy would look like? cheese through a grater?)
Dewotine D.520
FPrabably France's "Best" fighter
By the time of the armistice at the end of June, 437 D.520's had been built, and 351 of these had been delivered. In that time they had 108 confirmed kills and 39 probables, losing 54 to enemy action.
(http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/2942/dewoitined520tp0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
General
Length: 8.7 m (28 ft 8 in)
Wingspan: 33 ft 6 in (10.2 m)
Height: 2.6 m (8 ft 5 in)
Empty weight: 2,090 kg (4,608 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 2,780 kg (6,129 lb)
Powerplant: 1× Hispano-Suiza 12Y-45 liquid-cooled V-12, 690 kW (930 hp)
Performance
Maximum speed: 529 km/h (329 mph)
Range: 1,250 km (777 mi)
Armament
1x 20 mm cannon
4x 7.5 mm machine guns
Morane-Saulnier M.S.406
Numerically it was France's most important fighter during the opening stages of World War II.The top Morane ace was W/O Urho Lehtovaara with 15 kills on Morane, of total 42.
.......To be honest this one kinda sucked....
The design held its own in the early stages of the war (the so-called Phony War), when the war restarted in earnest in 1940, 400 were lost in combat and on ground for only 175 kills in return (as well as more destroyed on the ground). The Finns scored further 121 kills with Morane-Saulnier 406 (code letters MS).
(http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8519/moranesaulnierms406satrayackji1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
General
Length: 8.17 m (26 ft 9 in)
Wingspan: 10.62 m (34 ft 10 in)
Height: 2.71 m (8 ft 10 in)
Empty weight: 1,893 kg (4,173 lb)
Loaded weight: 2,426 kg (5,348 lb)
Powerplant: 1× Hispano-Suiza 12Y31 liquid-cooled V-12, 640 kW (860 hp)
Performance
Maximum speed: 486 km/h at 5,000 m (290 mph at 16,400 ft)
Range: 1,000 km (620 mi)
Rate of climb: 13.0 m/s (2,560 ft/min)
Armament
1× 20 mm Hispano cannon
2× 7.5 mm machine guns
Bloch MB 152 C1
MB.151s and MB.152s equipped six fighter Groupes during the Battle of France, but proved completely outclassed by the Messerschmitt Bf 109E. They continued to fly in the Vichy air force until this was disbanded. Some of these aircraft were then supplied to Romania.
Nine MB.151s were exported to Greece.
(http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/3672/blochmb152fk5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
General
Length: 9.10 m (29 ft 10 in)
Wingspan: 10.54 m (34 ft 7 in)
Height: 3.20 m (9 ft 11 in)
Empty: 2,158 kg (4,758 lb)
Loaded: kg ( lb)
Maximum takeoff: 2,800 kg (6,173 lb)
Powerplant: 1x Gnome-Rhône 14N-25 radial, 757 kW (1030 hp)
Performance
Maximum speed: 509 km/h (315 mph)
Range: 600 km (373 miles)
Service ceiling: 10,000 m (32,810 ft)
Rate of climb: 590 m/min (1,935 ft/min)
Armament
2x 20 mm Hispano 404 cannon (60-round drum) and 2x 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns (500 rounds each) or
4x MAC 1934s
Cutriss Hawk 75A1
Although the Hawk75 saw limited service at home, the Hawk75 was used extensivly by France. During 1939-1940, French claimed 230 confirmed and 80 probable victories in Hawk 75s against only 29 aircraft lost in aerial combat. Of the 11 French aces of the early war, seven flew Hawks.
(http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/6050/hawk756tx7.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
General
Length: 28 ft 6 in (8.7 m)
Wingspan: 37 ft 1 in (11.3 m)
Height: 9 ft 2 in (2.8 m)
Empty weight: 4,665 lb (2,116 kg)
Loaded weight: 5,867 lb (2,661 kg)
Powerplant: 1× Pratt & Whitney R-1830-13 Twin Wasp air-cooled radial piston engine, 1,050 hp (783 kW)
Performance
Maximum speed: 322 mph (518 km/h)
Cruise speed: 260 mph (420 km/h)
Range: 650 mi (1,046 km)
Service ceiling: 32,340 ft (9,860 m)
Rate of climb: 2,500 ft/min (13 m/s)
Armament
French export version, 4x 7.5 mm machine guns
And that's it for now, iwas going to pose sum French bombers and what not, but it is late and I am tired and therefore my brain is ...uh...er....mmm..Zzzzzzz
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don't leave out the VG-33.
apparently two of them made it in time for Battle of France combat....:noid :noid :furious
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Here is a French Median Bomber I would love to see. The AMIOT 354.
(http://www.tarrif.net/wwii/img/techs/amiot354.jpg)
But since this is Yoshimbo posts about French planes, I'll let him tell you guys the stats on this plane. (But in my book it says it was Frances Finest Bomber of WW2)
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we need a farman 223.4
it was the 1st plane to bomb berlin
(http://www.airwar.ru/image/i/bww2/nc223-i.jpg)
and the hideousest ROFL!!!
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France didn't FIGHT in WWII!!!!! They surendered to Germany and then kissed the Germans butts for a couple of years. Then we kicked the Germans out and the French kissed our butts. Bunch of butt kissers is all they were/are.
Sorry for the hijack but I don't like France.
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Originally posted by Hornet33
France didn't FIGHT in WWII!!!!! They surendered to Germany and then kissed the Germans butts for a couple of years. Then we kicked the Germans out and the French kissed our butts. Bunch of butt kissers is all they were/are.
Sorry for the hijack but I don't like France.
ahhh...wonder when the idiots would make an appearance. You never fail to disappoint us Hornet. I bet it would really twist your panties in a bunch when you learn that if it wasn't for France there would be no U.S.A...
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Hornet33
France didn't FIGHT in WWII!!!!! They surendered to Germany and then kissed the Germans butts for a couple of years. Then we kicked the Germans out and the French kissed our butts. Bunch of butt kissers is all they were/are.
Sorry for the hijack but I don't like France.
FYI, not one single French unit broke and ran in WWII. Not one.
The USA cannot claim the same.
In the three week Battle of France 100,000 French soldiers died fighting.
The French were defeated strategically and tactically, not due to any lack of valor on the part of the French fighting men. The leadership failed France utterly, not the people.
In short, go read some history and learn some of what really happened. Not just spout jingoist nonsense because it makes you feel tough and manly.
And I am sure the Marquise (sp?) would like to hear you tell them how they "kissed the Germans asses". Then they could explain to you how you kiss somebody with explosives and bullets.
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I'm going to distance myself from Hornet on this one, but I must say that I'm 99.999999% sure that NO french plane will ever be introduced into this game. The role they played in the war itself was marginal. France did have a large air force, I know. However the Battle of France was over almost instantly and the french fighters were either destroyed or (in *rare* cases) turned into LW trainers. The bombers were pretty poor, as well.
It's like saying "Hey, why don't we have any Portugeuse-built planes?!?!?" -- because in the grand scheme of things, they didn't make a difference.
Sorry for the Francophiles I've hurt here, but that's the way I see it.
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good insight from ack ack .
1 french plane would be ok maybe that 1st one then everyone can shoot it ;)
Bruv
~S~
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Originally posted by Karnak
The French were defeated strategically and tactically, not due to any lack of valor on the part of the French fighting men. The leadership failed France utterly, not the people.
Very true indeed,
The French did have exceptionally more and better tanks than the Germans had, it was merely due to poor strategic deployal.
Would there be a experienced general in command, I doubt Germany would've won the groundbattle!
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Originally posted by Hornet33
France didn't FIGHT in WWII!!!!! They surendered to Germany and then kissed the Germans butts for a couple of years. Then we kicked the Germans out and the French kissed our butts. Bunch of butt kissers is all they were/are.
Sorry for the hijack but I don't like France.
sigh,
some americans still believe ww2 started in late 1941 eh? :rofl
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
sigh,
some americans still believe ww2 started in late 1941 eh? :rofl
And I suppose to you it started in 1939? That would also be wrong. But it is all a matter of perspective.:aok
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Its not that i dont like the french. I hate everyone that hate the U.S.
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Personally I would like to see the D.520, and the Hawk 75, in game. Esp. if the Hawk can have a gun package that includes; 2 .50's and 4 .30's, as well as the 4 .30's. That way we can do (the Curtis P-36, ;)) Pearl Harbor, and the Japanese invasion of the Philippines, as well as the Battle of France.
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I miss helldiver:(
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Will I think we should have some French planes. I mean they did fight in the war. They fought even when they surrender known as Free French. No matter how long france fought in the war, they still fought on the ground, air, and seas. So why can't we add some of there fighters to this game? I mean if France lasted for another 5 months those fighters in few numbers would have grown in bigger numbers. I say bring the D.520 and the Hawk 75
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French planes would be neat to have, but ultimately, they'd end up being hangar queens. Fastest fighter posted so far has a top speed of 328mph. A very small handful may find success with them, but imho, the time spent could be better used elsewhere.
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Would need a few new options in-game -
French planes - Ability to signal your surrender.
Italian planes - As soon as the enemy gets near you, you automatically change to their side.
:)
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That's hilarious :lol
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I would say yes to all french planes. ( as I would say ANY early war new planes)
Especially Morane Saulnier ... ( you know why)
Curtiss Hawk would be also nice, it was Lentolaivue 32's (LLV32) main ride during the war.
(http://www.sodatkuvina.cjb.net/images/Jatkosota/Rintama/42V%E4riBrewsterinLennolla.jpg)
(http://www.ww2incolor.com/gallery/albums/other/finnish_curtis_hawks_new.jpg)
(http://www.sodatkuvina.cjb.net/images/Jatkosota/Rintama/43V%E4riPartioLennolla.jpg)
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Don't we already have the Curtiss? Only we've got the version with the water-cooled Allison. P-40B and the Hawk darn near identical planes except for the powerplant, right?
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OF all the planes posted I would have to say we should have ATLEAST!
The D.520 becuz even though they fought for so little time In that time, they had 108 confirmed kills and 39 probables, losing 54 to enemy action.
and ATLEAST ONE French Bomber, just for the sake of variety
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AMEN!
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actually commodore perry kinda set the stages for WWII in 1853 when he sailed his steam boats into tokyo bay... (you guys need to read the book FLYBOYS) he sparked the niponese build up that eventually led to the attack on pearl harbor
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We have a French Ju88 skin in game, does that count?
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Originally posted by justfreds
actually commodore perry kinda set the stages for WWII in 1853 when he sailed his steam boats into tokyo bay... (you guys need to read the book FLYBOYS) he sparked the niponese build up that eventually led to the attack on pearl harbor
I blame anglo saxan barbarians. If they hadn't caused the gradual demise of the Roman Empire, then we all could have been living peacefully under a ceasar ruled world!
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So I go into Google and I type in "French Military Victories" and hit the search button....I click on the very first page of the results and get this:
Did you mean: french military defeats
No standard web pages containing all your search terms were found.
Your search - french military victories - did not match any documents.
Suggestions:
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'nuff said......
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Ther Germans lost, the Japanese lost, yet we still have planes from them, they merely lasted longer.
to my understanding,
The poor french where taken completely by surprise when the German army came bustin in through the ardenne, keep in mind that the french where quite ready for another world war(maginot line), just not a world war that was in the mobile fashion the germans were using by their use of the blitkrieg(how u spell that?) stratagy. IF, on the other hand, the second world war took on a form that resembled that of the first, i believe the french would have handed the 3rd reich a right firm beating, or would have atleast held them at the maginot line. the french where simply unready for it.
to my understanding:cool:
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AKWarp That sight is a GOOGLE hack. I'm surprised it is still up.
As to having early war planes in the MA, let me just tell you that last night I took up a P-40B and got two kills with it and landed safely. One was a LA-7, and the other was a N1K2, I also took up a Spit 1 and killed a P-51D,P-47N,and a N1K2. So I don't want anyone telling me that early war stuff will be useless in the MA.
The D-520 looks like it could be a match for the 109-F in firepower, and maybe turn like a Hurricane. I've p0\/\/n3d n00bs in a Fredrich, and both Hurri I & IIC's.
I like em for the challenge. I ues the early war stuff to hone my /\/\4d 5k![_z, Because one mistake in them and you will be in the tower fast.
Bring the; D-520, M.S.406, and Hawk 75/P-36, and let the Perk farming begin.;) :aok :rofl
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thank you for your input.
see, early warbirds don't alwyas mean yer gonna die, or their just gonna sit around in the hangar nvr to be used.
and i agree, they do make for a very good challenge.
I hop in the hurr1, p40e (and now the e sumtimes also), from time to time, sumtimes i score sum kills, sumtimes i don't, but isn't that true for all planes?
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In the h2h in FFA rooms I will take a P40B and land like 3 kills against spits, temps, and La7s. I take Hurrican Mk1s and Spits Mk1s and do the same thing. People ask me what im flying and I'll say a hurrican, and then they go oh the MkIIC, then I say no the Mk1, then they go, oh :confused:
The reason why people don't fly early planes is because they think there too slow, less fire power, and easy to kill. But really if you practice with the early war planes, you become a better pilot with that plane, and all other planes in AH. If you flew the P40B, Hurrican/Spit Mk1, F4F, FM2, 109E-4, and all the other early war planes, and master those, you will become one hell of a pilot. I bet most of the Aces in AH flew early war planes when they started this game, and now they can master any fighter.
How can people with an early war fighter kill a late war fighter?
Just have to be a smart pilot. To me flying early war fighters is a good challange, helps your pilot skills, and makes the game funner when you shoot down a Spit16 with 109E-4. I love those 109E-4s.
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Voowho, I think just the opposite:
I believe many of the Aces of AH flew 'easy to fly' aircraft, and thus got so much experience, that they were able to fly the early-war aircraft properly :)
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Will thats these days, but back in a time called AH1 there was no such thing as easy to fly aircraft. :rolleyes: But I started out with the hard to fly planes, and when I flew a spit, I just didn't like how it was so easy to fly.
But Frank that just seems weird. How could you be an Ace if you flew the easy to fly planes, then went on to a hard to fly plane and still be good, thats like using hacks/cheats in Halo playing it on easy, and then after beating the game you turn off your hacks/cheats and you play all the mission over again but on Legendary, and then your the best Halo player all that cheating. I say opposite of yours frank :D
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Folks didn't fly easy-to-fly planes, eh?
Might wanna check that memory :P
Why else was the C-hog the most-used plane for a long time before it was perked? Why else have the LA7 and N1k2 had spots 1 and 2 (up until the spit16 came out) for... well forever, since they were INTRODUCED.
Folks only fly easy to fly planes.
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Well Krusty, The easy to fly planes can make a Poor pilot into an average killing machine. That is why so many people take those planes(Succes breads complacency), while a few hone their skills on "hard to fly" planes. I bet if you looked at the top scoring fighter pilots, you would find that they spent a significant portion of their time in only 1 or 2 planes. Learning the subtle intracacies of those planes, so that they can dominate from any position. Take those planes away, and I bet you dollars to dognuts, that they would quickly become middle of the pack. Sure they have skills like identifying the energy state of their oponent, and advanced ACM skills, but they will not know this unfamiliar planes nuances. They will get triped up by a diffrent corner speed, wider turning radius, or lower top speed.
If your used to the "bottom of the heap", flying the best will make you better.
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Originally posted by Krusty
I'm going to distance myself from Hornet on this one, but I must say that I'm 99.999999% sure that NO french plane will ever be introduced into this game. The role they played in the war itself was marginal. France did have a large air force, I know. However the Battle of France was over almost instantly and the french fighters were either destroyed or (in *rare* cases) turned into LW trainers. The bombers were pretty poor, as well.
It's like saying "Hey, why don't we have any Portugeuse-built planes?!?!?" -- because in the grand scheme of things, they didn't make a difference.
Sorry for the Francophiles I've hurt here, but that's the way I see it.
No French planes are likely, because you can't surrender in Aces High.
:aok
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Originally posted by VooWho
Will thats these days, but back in a time called AH1 there was no such thing as easy to fly aircraft. :rolleyes: But I started out with the hard to fly planes, and when I flew a spit, I just didn't like how it was so easy to fly.
But Frank that just seems weird. How could you be an Ace if you flew the easy to fly planes, then went on to a hard to fly plane and still be good, thats like using hacks/cheats in Halo playing it on easy, and then after beating the game you turn off your hacks/cheats and you play all the mission over again but on Legendary, and then your the best Halo player all that cheating. I say opposite of yours frank :D
Frank is right for the most part. Look at the Aces in the Top 25. Probably 99.99% of them are in "easy to fly" planes such as the La7, P-51D, Spitfires, Typhoon, etc. And just because you can get a kill in a Spitfire I or a Hurricane doesn't make you an ace either....
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Iron_Cross
Take those planes away, and I bet you dollars to dognuts, that they would quickly become middle of the pack. Sure they have skills like identifying the energy state of their oponent, and advanced ACM skills, but they will not know this unfamiliar planes nuances. They will get triped up by a diffrent corner speed, wider turning radius, or lower top speed.
Until a couple of flights were they get used to the handling of the plane and start handing your arse on a platter...
ack-ack
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Only, if you "master" the spit16, and can only fly in it, then when you try the same thing in a lesser plane, you die. It's not a matter of handling. It's a matter of consigning yourself to the short bus. You're handicapping your own learning, and you might pull off some moves that win you a lot of fights, but are 100% impossible in any other plane in the game.
So hypothetically learning only one aircraft, even if you learn it well, is a poor choice to make. More so if it's one of the so-called "uber" planes. If you ever step down to a normal level you'll be dogmeat.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Only, if you "master" the spit16, and can only fly in it, then when you try the same thing in a lesser plane, you die. It's not a matter of handling. It's a matter of consigning yourself to the short bus. You're handicapping your own learning, and you might pull off some moves that win you a lot of fights, but are 100% impossible in any other plane in the game.
So hypothetically learning only one aircraft, even if you learn it well, is a poor choice to make. More so if it's one of the so-called "uber" planes. If you ever step down to a normal level you'll be dogmeat.
That's why the Snapshots, FSOs and Scenarios are so great. You're forced out of your comfort zone and have to fly other planes and use other strategies than in the MA.
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I must agree on that point. It's always fun to try new planes. Hell I tried a C2 and fell in love!
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Exactly Krusty, I too tried the Mc-202 because I wanted to dominate with the 205. I love that little POS. Every kill I got in that 202 gave me a satisfying Smirk of accomplishment. With the 202 you really had to saddle up, and land a LOT of hits. When I got consistent with the 202, I upgraded to the 205. The extra power from the engine was like a dream come true, when compared with the 202, and the cannons were like Jove hurling thunderbolts at any enemy in front of me.
Because I put time in the Mc-202, stepping up to its big brother the Mc-205 was a lot easier, and the skills I learned in the 202 made me deadly with the 205. I am proud to post a positive K/D ratio wich is better than half of the MA can say. I think that learning to be at least competent with the early war stuff, will stand you in good stead when flying the late war monsters. Especially if you follow "family lines", you really see the development of an aircraft.
Like the Macchi family, the engine fankly sucks in the Mc-202, and the guns don't put out the instant damage needed to bring enemy planes down. The Mc-205 adressed those issues with a more powerfull engine, and added cannons. Now with the 205 you have a fighter that can at least hold its own with the late war stuff, and put the smackdown on the mid-war planes.
Hey how come I'm standing on a soap box? :huh
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Originally posted by Krusty
So hypothetically learning only one aircraft, even if you learn it well, is a poor choice to make. More so if it's one of the so-called "uber" planes. If you ever step down to a normal level you'll be dogmeat.
Not entirely true. If you only learn about one plane then it could hinder you if flying other planes since you neglected to learn the strengths and weaknesses of the new plane. But if you know what the plane could and couldn't do then transitioning to the new plane would be almost seamless. I never flew the bf109G-2 until today when I dueled Storch and easily handed him his arse in a plane that he's a claimed "experten" in. But then it takes time to study the other planes and that's time a lot no longer wish to spend.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I never flew the bf109G-2 until today when I dueled Storch and easily handed him his arse in a plane that he's a claimed "experten" in.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Pick on the guy who can't flame - er - fight back anymore!
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Not saying you didn't -- just saying it would be easy for you to "inadvertantly exaggerate" when the other side can't be told. One man's "arse-handing" is another guy's close fight . . .
Besides, IMO the G-2 handles as well as the P-38s anyway, so it wasn't like you "stepped down" in any event.
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Originally posted by AKWarp
So I go into Google and I type in "French Military Victories" and hit the search button....I click on the very first page of the results and get this:
Did you mean: french military defeats
No standard web pages containing all your search terms were found.
Your search - french military victories - did not match any documents.
Suggestions:
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'nuff said......
one word.. Joan of arc.
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Originally posted by E25280
Not saying you didn't -- just saying it would be easy for you to "inadvertantly exaggerate" when the other side can't be told. One man's "arse-handing" is another guy's close fight . . .
No, it was a beating. The whines afterwards was clear enough evidence.
Besides, IMO the G-2 handles as well as the P-38s anyway, so it wasn't like you "stepped down" in any event.
Not exactly.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by E25280
besides, IMO the G-2 handles as well as the P-38s anyway, so it wasn't like you "stepped down" in any event.
i disagree brauno... IMO the g-2 handles better than 38...
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Acutually you need to hit the "I Feel Lucky" button to get that result.
Funny as hell though...:rofl
Originally posted by AKWarp
So I go into Google and I type in "French Military Victories" and hit the search button....I click on the very first page of the results and get this:
Did you mean: french military defeats
No standard web pages containing all your search terms were found.
Your search - french military victories - did not match any documents.
Suggestions:
- Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
- Try different keywords.
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Also, you can try Google Answers for expert help with your search.
'nuff said......