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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: lazs2 on July 23, 2006, 08:59:18 AM
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The horde mentality and field capture thing along with late war fast planes being the only viable plane for the unskilled and skilled alike has led to a new type of AH player..
The runway warrior..
The runway warrior comes in to an enemy field that has some action at high alt... he makes sure that there are no high enemy planes in the area... if there are he runs back till they are gone.. If not... he dives down making one pass at the runway hoping to catch a plane just taking off or just landing.
He can be a loner but most lilely comes with the horde.
Some are so frenzied tho that they don't care if cons are high over the field.. they dive on it anyway and hope to catch one or maybe two planes on the runway before they die.
the ack can't get em cause they are in fast planes and they usualy wait till the ack is down anyway to dive in.
A tour of the hottest fields in AH is generaly 6 or more high red planes circling and diving and maybe one or two green ones trying to take off every few minutes. Maybe a ground vehicle or two firing.
The runway warrior wouldn't know what to do if he met someone at anything like co alt (except to die). They are no fun to defend against and not much more fun to kill.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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After all these years and 17,000 posts I think you would've learned not to up from a capped field.
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Who said he upped? You can see the tards from the tower, or you can come from opposing field with alt to kill them, wich isnt fun becaused they either dive straight to runway for one last vulch or straight home/ back to the pack. Either way there are no acm's involved. "Dont up at a capped field" is usually a vulcher's number one verbal defense at being called out on 200. I know "defense" is a naughty word in the MA lol.
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...another verse brought to us out of the Aces High Biblical Testament.
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Hell, if I'm running down some other con and he flies over the runway, and it presents me with a shot at a lander or roller without abandoning my pursuit I'll take it (rather do that than risk overflying and getting a bellyfull of lead). I just don't go out of my way for it.
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I can concur on this behavior. I'd say roughly half of my kills with 37mm are these poor chaps. I have noticed it's the same 50 or so people doing it over and over and over and over. The reason this behavior seems so prevalent isn't because alot of people doing it per se. It's because the 50 or so that do do it, seem to do so 20 hrs a day to the almost total exclusion of any other activity. They almost always die in the process and usually fly an La7 or similiarly fast, quick climbing plane so you can see them do it 3-7 times an hour...
The really sad part is, being a statistics nut, some of those that do this are, supposedly, if you believe rank, some of the top 100 fighter pilots in the game...So, one could conclude it's not your fighter rank that indicates any talent, but instead how you achieve it, which unfortuantely cannot be quantified statistically..
Zazen
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Originally posted by lazs2
The horde mentality and field capture thing along with late war fast planes being the only viable plane for the unskilled and skilled alike has led to a new type of AH player..
The runway warrior..
The runway warrior comes in to an enemy field that has some action at high alt... he makes sure that there are no high enemy planes in the area... if there are he runs back till they are gone.. If not... he dives down making one pass at the runway hoping to catch a plane just taking off or just landing.
He can be a loner but most lilely comes with the horde.
Some are so frenzied tho that they don't care if cons are high over the field.. they dive on it anyway and hope to catch one or maybe two planes on the runway before they die.
the ack can't get em cause they are in fast planes and they usualy wait till the ack is down anyway to dive in.
A tour of the hottest fields in AH is generaly 6 or more high red planes circling and diving and maybe one or two green ones trying to take off every few minutes. Maybe a ground vehicle or two firing.
The runway warrior wouldn't know what to do if he met someone at anything like co alt (except to die). They are no fun to defend against and not much more fun to kill.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
:cry whining like a liberal! :aok
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you bothered to quote that entire post and then.... "whining like a liberal" is the best you can do?
seriously... that was it? Your whole wad?
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by thndregg
...another verse brought to us out of the Aces High Biblical Testament.
:lol
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Ban the runway warriors!!,and ban all that play and have fun in a way that its not fun for me!!:D , or at least make them pay a double fee
:rofl
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well this may be a troll but set the hook and reel me in!!!
i do exactly what laz describes but not for the reason he ascribes to it...
when we trying to disrupt an enemy base engaging the high fiters is delayed suicide...these GREAT warriors will turn/loop you once or twice while getting their buds to saddle up ...if they are pawned by my lala they dive for the field ack and try to get a low turn fight going so guys can up the base and come pick you off them...a low slow lala is deth about to occur...
nope instead do exactly what they dont want....make high speed low alt runs and nail their friends upping..then they have to give up their precious alt and enage you..they get mad because their point/perk generating "look im igreat cuz i kilt your lw plane with my early war bird" cant catch up to you....then your friends can come in without worrying about a high cap and pick them off....frowns all around in "vet" land..
here is another secret...i and many of these lala/spit16 wusses have played much longer then most of you "vets"....we have done the "fiter" thing ...the "respect me" thing and traded it in for the teamwork/friendship thing...thats what keeps us with more then a few hours a month flying time...
but here is another last point that makes me "better" then these pompous vets...."I WONT POST TELLING OTHER PEOPLE HOW THEIR WAY OF ENJOYING THE GAME SUCKS OR MAKES THEM LESS THEN ME" do a search..i never have...it IS a game and people should have fun in any legitimate way the game allows without purposefully cheating.
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I just kill the VH and vulch.
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You little piece of poop...who made your avatar for you!!!!
there is gonna be a lot of base deacking and "hey try to take the turret out of those flaks" duty for you mister!!!!
im calling medicaid right now and turning you in for fraud!!!
im calling the mafia and letting them know where your mom is living under her new alias (like a quick check on the local strip clubs wouldnt reveal where "floppy boob flo" is working the pole)
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I made it myself. Vast showed me how. Dont take it out on him our private relationship is at risk.
PS it took you 5 posts to figure that out =) lol.
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hehehehe
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If you think thats bad dont go to our squad webpage lol.
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Originally posted by viper215
I just kill the VH and vulch.
Damn right. :D
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LOL someone who agrees with me
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Originally posted by viper215
LOL someone who agrees with me
Hey, it's their fault for getting vulched. They could easily take off from a nearby field to combat the attackers, but nope. They have to be stupid and try to up at the field that's being ravaged.
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Lol good point
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I had no idea that was a bad thing.
Next he'll have something bad to say about cherry-picking.
Then, I'll just have spawn camping for fun.
HONK!
Gooss
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How long till HT installs tissue dispensers in the MA and in the Bulletin board?
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First Ht is working on the lazs line of tissue, its two-ply for big whines! I heard after that he will issue general duty tissues for the others!:D
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If you spent $15 on a hooker, would you listen to some pee wee on the intardnet as to best way to have fun?
...actually, some of you probably would.
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If I got a hooker for 15 bucks I'd make sure she only got your weiny Marine, because I'm sure as heck not putting mine in the same zip code as that skag.
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heck, i'm a sucker for upping from a capped feild. Because I know when I do get off the ground(after being vulched 15 times), those panty waist vulchers are in a load of trouble.
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whaaaaa your all whiners whaaaaaaaaaa... ...there is my anti-anti-whine, now post your antiwhine-whine-whine :huh taking the time to whine about someone whining is just sad, get your own whine . Man Im gettin dizzy...AND it's pwned/owned not PAWNED!:aok
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Originally posted by jaxxo
AND it's pwned/owned not PAWNED!:aok
Pawn takes king's rook. HAHA Pawned!!!!!111!!
:)
Bronk
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We had the same guy barrell through A7 tonight at Ludicrous Speed about 20 times tonight trying to vulch even though there was like, 10-15 Rooks defending the base at any one time (he died every attempt. I got him twice and would've had a third but wasn't QUITE fast enough to get more than an assist). It just got plain silly after a while.
If you were a Rook at A7 and saw a Yak come rolling through at Warp 10 from the NE it was a pretty good bet you knew who it was. :rolleyes:
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Saxman are you Ludicrous Speed because they usually go right to plad. :D
Bronk
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I have seen the neighborhood that marine lives in... I would be glad to pay $15 for a hooker for sky rock from that area.
flacidwing.... Thank you.. I understand now. To most of us what you do just looked like a lack of talent and a fear of engaging. We just assumed that you had tried the fighter thing and were really lousy at it so you went to the gamey, risk free thing when in reality....
You were male bonding on a higher level and taking game "strat" to a hence unforeen level of complexity...
Still...
It wouldn't hurt to make the ack a lot more deadly.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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this game was prescribed to me by my therapist for anger-management reasons. upping from a capped field is my final exam.
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Originally posted by lazs2
To most of us what you do just looked like a lack of talent and a fear of engaging. We just assumed that you had tried the fighter thing and were really lousy at it so you went to the gamey, risk free thing when in reality....
"We are the AH Prophet, Lazs2. Lower your "fluffs" and surrender your troops. We will add your aerial-combat and strategic skills to our own.
Your culture will adapt to service us.
Resistance is futile."
Laz, your use of the words "we" and "us" just brought the preceeding to mind. Must be the good coffee this morning, I don't know.
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Hmmm, 3-4 years ago such posts would have been taken as real trolls. Now some players are able to discuss for ages if disengaging from higher cons or multiple cons, or landing the mission, or kiling an enemy with the help of a wingie, or approaching hot fields at 15k, or using hit&climb and hit&run tactics, ... is "timid flying" or not.
Where are the old good times when SA was something and a K/D of four was good, and only a handful of players like Citabria had 10. Now, the Main is so full of skilless kamikazes that getting a K/D two, three or even four times higher is not so difficult.
Rant off ;)
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This thread is funny. It demonstrates a basic fallacy that is repeated ad nauseam in all types of discussions (especially the O-Club).
The way people act/think/behave is never the problem, rather it is a given. Take a diverse group of people and their reactions/behaviors are predictable, a result of basic human nature. The only way to change our nature is to globally alter all human DNA to create a different animal. This does happen but has heretofore been very slow, a result of evolution. One can no sooner change the behavior of people than the frog could change the behavior of the scorpion. Logic, reasonableness, effectiveness are not the deciding factor.
You hear/read it all the time: The game would be better if people acted differently, the problems in our company would go away if the employees/customers changed their way, the solution to our national/regional/global problem is to get people to be different. Technically speaking : horse-huey.
The way to change circumstances involving humans is to alter the environment/circumstances/rules to which they are reacting. Period.
In the mean time (since I don’t make the rules) I’ll continue working on my global satellite system that beams DNA altering (aluminum foil penetrating) rays on everybody, thus solving all earth’s problems, creating a utopian world, making all of you behave the way I (in my immense wisdom and infallibility) deem proper.
I should be king,
KONG
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Originally posted by EN4CER
(http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/8058/56dh3.jpg)
good movie :aok
"bullfrog style" :lol :rofl :D
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Originally posted by Mustaine
good movie :aok
"bullfrog style" :lol :rofl :D
:aok :rofl
The Toad Style from the Kwahn School and the "Lion's Roar!"
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For the past 13-14 years its always been the caution, "don't up from a capped field". No ever said anyone had to listen to the caution. But, to not do so is at their peril.
If someone choses to do it they made the decision to take the chance and not die. If they die it was because of the decision they made. No one else is at fault.
Can it get more simple than that?
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Originally posted by Kurt
If I got a hooker for 15 bucks I'd make sure she only got your weiny Marine, because I'm sure as heck not putting mine in the same zip code as that skag.
Witty. I was going to add "if only your momma could break a $5", but... that wasn't the point.
The point you missed; telling strangers how to spend their $$, be it on a hooker, or a game, is always a losing proposition and will never work.
Part of the whole 'war is hell' thing is frustrating the enemy at every opportunity. Deal with it.
An old salt USAF Mig alley vet on Dis Wings described how two US pilots could keep 20 migs on the ground employing the exact tactic being whined about....
I wonder if the Chinese pilots headstone says "vulched" on it.
Here we have some gamer suggesting that the enemy abandon a time tested proven war tactic employed for years by trained legitimately skilled USAF pilots... because its bothering him.
I'll trust the judgement of the old salt warrior who has been there done that.... you can stroke the digital warriors emotional needs, it's your $15.
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
Witty. I was going to add "if only your momma could break a $5", but... that wasn't the point.
The point you missed; telling strangers how to spend their $$, be it on a hooker, or a game, is always a losing proposition and will never work.
On the contrary... I didn't miss the point and infact I agree. I'm just sick of the discussion coming up every 8 days or so and you left an opening for me to try to divert the topic..
And my mom is up to $30 these days, the prices are always on the website so I'm not sure how you missed it.
Take care.
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Originally posted by lazs2
The runway warrior..
The runway warrior comes in to an enemy field that has some action at high alt... he makes sure that there are no high enemy planes in the area... if there are he runs back till they are gone.. If not... he dives down making one pass at the runway hoping to catch a plane just taking off or just landing.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Kind of like this guy? (http://home.comcast.net/~josio/film39.ahf)
ack-ack
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Originally posted by KONG1
The way to change circumstances involving humans is to alter the environment/circumstances/rules to which they are reacting. Period.
In the mean time (since I don’t make the rules) I’ll continue working on my global satellite system that beams DNA altering (aluminum foil penetrating) rays on everybody, thus solving all earth’s problems, creating a utopian world, making all of you behave the way I (in my immense wisdom and infallibility) deem proper.
I should be king,
KONG
yes. from know on when you land kills it will say "so and so landed 10 kills in an la7, but he is a dweeb" also if you score in the top 10 of any catagory, you will get an asterisk beside your name stating "you are a major dweeb" sorry point dweebs its all in fun (there, covered from future flaming).
i think rank may have quite a bit to do with people swooping in avoiding all other fights and heading for runway. you can get good k/d, good hit%, and good k/hr that way. but really, rank is so watered down by this type of behavior it has almost reached the point of irrelevance. is not to say some don't enjoy getting a good rank.
won't say i don't vulch, i do (man that was difficult), but i don't when there is actually fighting to be had. how many times have you seen cap broken by a lot of uppers? it can be done, though many lack the stomach for it:)- read next time someone looks at my stats they won't be very good, and someone else's will.
finally, kong, will there be beer in your utopia? as a wise man once said (homer simpson) "beer, the answer to and the cause of all our problems." so is a bit of a paradox you might consider:)
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Originally posted by lazs2
... I would be glad to pay $15 for a hooker for sky rock from that area!
I've already had your daughter, I got my $15 back!:D
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Originally posted by Zazen13
The really sad part is, being a statistics nut, some of those that do this are, supposedly, if you believe rank, some of the top 100 fighter pilots in the game...So, one could conclude it's not your fighter rank that indicates any talent, but instead how you achieve it, which unfortuantely cannot be quantified statistically..
Zazen
Exactly!
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skyrock....
I know you are but what am I?
sure... taking off from a capped field is not very bright if "score" is a big deal to you... Not even really talking about taking off from a capped field here tho.
There can be a good fight halfway between the fields and some little twit in a fast plane will work his way up to alt or even just joust his way to the field and then make a runway pass... He may get a plane upping before the ack gets him. maybe not.
Or.. He may come in at high alt and do the same.
You don't have to up to see it. Just go from tower to tower and look at all the guys making pass after pass at the runway... maybe a half a dozen guys spending their entire sortie buzing the runway at an allmost undamaged field... just hoping that someone... anyone.. will try to up and... that their lack of skill will be less than the other five guys and they will get to make that all important kill... they will win the vultch lottery.
Sure... I have been in that situation myself... you go to a field and it had a friggin bar when you left... get there.... and there is no fight. If someone ups... I am gonna kill em. I think it is more than that tho.. it has become a "score" tactic and a way to avoid the steep learning curve.
A lot of it has to do with the fields being to far apart on most maps tho.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by lazs2
skyrock....
I know you are but what am I?
lol :aok
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Well....err...call me kooky...what we Rooks do is simply outlandish...
We either hop into a manned gun or roll ostwinds out...and kill the attackers!
The whole vulch whine is hilarious. If *your side* attacks and vulches a field, that's awesome....if *your field* is being attacked, its outrageous and a post HAS to be made on the forums to show your disgust
LMAO
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Originally posted by pluck
kong, will there be beer in your utopia?
Yes there will be beer in my utopia. But you must buy me scotch to earn drinking privileges.
I should be king,
KONG
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King Kong? Not very catchy.
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Originally posted by LePaul
Well....err...call me kooky...what we Rooks do is simply outlandish...
We either hop into a manned gun or roll ostwinds out...and kill the attackers!
The whole vulch whine is hilarious. If *your side* attacks and vulches a field, that's awesome....if *your field* is being attacked, its outrageous and a post HAS to be made on the forums to show your disgust
LMAO
I dunno Le Paul. I think the post is an attempt to move all the fields to within a mile or so of each other. That way you can up and be in the fight as your wheels go in the well. It was actually tried in other games and ruined one that I can think off. There was a mass exodus to WB because many people disagreed with a games remapping fields so they were within a couple of miles of each other. The few that remained and played in that arena did so for a short time. Then it was gone.
Cause and effect....Personally I'd hate to see that happen here. It's a fun game with fights all over the place. Anyone who really has to fly far in this game is doing so because of wife ack...take out the trash, don't forget to walk the dog, or they need to head to the john, go outside for a smoke break, grab a beer or get a snack while they climb out.
When I logged in last night I think the average time to a fight was around 7 minutes and we were heavily out numbered. And, I didn't take off from a capped field either.
Ren
The Damned
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See Rule #4, #5
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Originally posted by lazs2
What killed WB was allied vs axis and the crap planesets and matchups that involved. and... the lousy views and some of the poor FM's... moving the fields close together was an attempt to bolster sagging numbers. We can see the same things here in the AVA. The closer fields are the only thing that keeps players... not the opposite.
Since you weren't around in those days you wouldn't know they left the game to go to WB not it's demise. Had you actually bothered to read what I typed you might not have inserted your foot in your mouth.
Keep up the good public relations for your group! :)
Ren
The Damned
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See Rule #4, #5
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See Rule #5
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Ok, try reading the phrase below once more....
"It was actually tried in other games and ruined one that I can think of. There was a mass exodus to WB because many people disagreed with a games remapping fields so they were within a couple of miles of each other. The few that remained and played in that arena did so for a short time. Then it was gone."
Did you get that?
There was a mass exodus TO WB...
Got that?
Now for others who read these posts....I'll continue....
I've been there and seen it happen. Others have also. The noisey minority whined over and over until they ruined a game. It was amazing to see people quietly walk away for a game they had played for years. They looked elsewhere and found WB. The owners of the previous game blew it but got lucky and were able to get some backing for another 18 months. Some folks weren't happy with the orignal flight model of WB and went back to the reincarnate game during that 18 month period. Some new blood and old vets began flying again until its final demise. The game died once again for other reasons and that time for good. As I said in my first post listed above, I'd hate to see it happen again.
And yes. I teach flying not remedial reading.
Please look past your prejudice and read the posts for a change. I mean, you started the post. I merely responded with the thoughts when we forget history we are doomed to repeat it. Since you weren't there you have no history to remember. I just posted some history.
Lastly, everything you have said in your post has already been said. It's only new to you. For those of us who've been there, when that stuff resurfaces we step up and call it like it is.
For those folks that made it here, as you put it...they are members of this gaming community. I don't see anywhere when I come into the game that it belongs to you and I'd bet they see the same thing. Somehow, I don't think HTC agrees with and to quote you "unfortunately... most of you made it to here", but I'm not him. Your comments bring little value to the thread you began.
Ren
The Damned
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when we forget history we are doomed to repeat it.
Well I think HT knows all the history and I doubt strongly that he will repeat it.
HT also is not easily swayed by "the noisey minority" ... at least from what I have seen and experienced since joining Aces High.
I read all these "noisey" threads and watch people froth at the mouth making their point and counter-points (and sometimes I join in) and over the past 4 years ... HT has only acted on a very few, and his choice(s) to act or not act have been right on ... AH is no where near demise from what I can see.
Most people are missing the point of the original post ... the pilots in question are the ones that have absolutly no intent to "fight" ... they simply jump into a fast-mover ... blow past anyone and everyone just so that they can make a low level pass on a runway to effect a kill ... extend ... reverse ... make a low level pass. Once caught ... they die instantly and repeat the process over and over. If that is what you want to do ... then go for it ... its just sad to see that the number of these types increases ... it doesn't add to the game ... it just detracts from it.
Last month I was flying over the water between two bases ... saw an La-7 on the deck ... dove and killed him instantly while he flew a straight line ... I climbed back up and flew towards the base again. Here come an La-7 on the deck (same guy) ... rinse and repeat 5 or 6 times. This guy had no intentions of trying to fight anyone nor did he try to fight me ... he just hoped that he could get to the base unnoticed and hoped that someone was upping so that he could get his one high speed pass kill.
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Originally posted by Slash27
King Kong? Not very catchy.
Can't argue with ya there, your the King of Catching according to Bear the Prince of Pitching.
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Actually I pitch monkey man.
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Originally posted by Slash27
King Kong? Not very catchy.
(http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/-/E/kingkong.jpg)
ack-ack
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:rofl
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See Rule #4, #5
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Originally posted by mars01
See Rule #4, #5
can't agree more than that! :aok
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Most people are missing the point of the original post ... the pilots in question are the ones that have absolutly no intent to "fight" ... they simply jump into a fast-mover ... blow past anyone and everyone just so that they can make a low level pass on a runway to effect a kill ... extend ... reverse ... make a low level pass. Once caught ... they die instantly and repeat the process over and over. If that is what you want to do ... then go for it ... its just sad to see that the number of these types increases ... it doesn't add to the game ... it just detracts from it. [/B]
Thats why I been flying tempest lately. To catch these tards and all the runners lately. Its funny how they dive on ya just to lose there adv imediately and then run off. Well guess what, this dogg flying the tempest now, u can't run from me unless u in a jet or rocket. lol.
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See Rule #4, #5
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I'm going to try not to step on any toes here but offer my opinion for consideration.
We have a saying around my house and that saying is 'it IS what it IS' meaning there are some things we are powerless to change so we make the best of it.
Okay in applying that philosophy to gaming be it AH or any other on or offline game. I've been vulched and I figure it's just part of the game. Try to take off from a capped field a few times and if I'm not successful I just up from a base that isn't and come back to the capped one and die again (cause I'm new and I suck badly at dogfighting etc) or I jump in a field gun and blast away at the vulchers (got one the other day two can you give me a Dorie Miller ala Pearl Harbor 'YAAAHHHHOOOO'?).
For me vulching probably wouldn't do much because I'm trying to learn how to handle my plane(s) in actual ACM. For others vulching is the fun part of the game. Some people like taking fields, some people like driving the boats, some people like AVA, and so on.
For me to say that my idea of the correct way to play the game is the correct way for everybody to play the game would be ludicrous.
So vulchers if you see me upping from a capped field please do take your best shot. If you down me I'll you and try again. My score means nothing to me. It's all about the action in my book but that's MY opinion and I respect everybody's right to have one which differs from mine.
Granted I haven't been on this site but for a couple of weeks but I'm an old school gamer and I have never had more fun or gotten as much out of any game ever. I think HT has put out an incredible product and created a great community.
Thanks for your time folks... beers in the keg *points
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"If it's red, it's dead..."
I'm not a high scoring uber ace who can sit here and quote airspeeds and tactical situations so pardon me for being a "newbie".
I will say this though, I've only been playing again for about a week. If I'm in the middle of taking off from a field and all of a sudden I here bullets ripping through my plane I think to myself, "Hmmm.. maybe I should take off from a different field."
I fully expect any enemy, from any country, to take every oppurtunity to blow my plane into little smoking bits at any vulnerable moment. Be that take off, or landing.
No, I wouldn't go "looking for" the chance to down someone on takeoff but then again if I happen to catch someone in that situation of course I'll try to put iron on target.
Stop trying to fight with some percieved rules of engagement and realize in war no one cares if your feelings get hurt. As a matter of fact, in a war I'm not only hoping to hurt your feelings but also your ability to fight.
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
See Rule #4, #5
No ... actually I think I have it right.
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Pardon me for butting into your verbal brawl gentlemen and yes I'm a "noob". here's my take on the topic. I dislike getting vultched as much as the next man but I find that taking off from a "capped" field guarantees you'll have somewhat of a fight. I agree with mars01 once you get up those guys doing the "capping" usually find themselves "capped". I'm on a two week free pass thing and I usually play Il-2, my father in law likes this game a lot, he is the one that got me to try it out. my opinion of it is that the massive numbers are a better, but the game play is not on the same standard as Il-2. I might sign up for a regular subscription, I haven't decided yet. The thing that annoys me the most is that few players in this game actually want to fight, they seem to be running to destroy buildings and make cheap kills. That isn't fun to me. this is a good game with the potential to be great, the players a sheepish though and that ruins it for some.
thats's my $.02
no offense intended.
:)
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The thing that annoys me the most is that few players in this game actually want to fight, they seem to be running to destroy buildings and make cheap kills. That isn't fun to me. this is a good game with the potential to be great, the players a sheepish though and that ruins it for some.
Yep that is the biggest problem with this game to date. It has shifted from a great AtoA combat game to a sheepish AtoGround game or a "How safe can I fly game". There are still some great sticks in this game that want to fight, the hard part is finding them in the MA.
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I wish I could be a "good stick".
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See Rule #4, #5
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I have two points neither of which most of you will listen to but I will try anyway.
I have found a guy that flies for rooks and used to be a bishop that loves to vultch but doesnt fight at all. He flies his 190A5 two sectors to dive on to a field where just a few guys are coming up. If I find him vultching as I am landing he will try to evade but his ailerons never save him and he dies easy. If I catch him co-alt he will dive toward the bish field and try to get a kill or shoot some ack before he dies because he intends to come back again and again and again. So in his case I have to agree with lazs though I know plenty of people that try to fight they just dont have the experience of someone like lazs and so it appears cant do as he wants them to.
Then theres the bbs gods. That includes guys that are posting in this thread. If a fight doesnt go their way they whine on 200 about it and complain that the other guy has no clue. At first I thought this was a tactic to get someone to try again but to somehow beat them mentally before the fight even starts. Then I realized its just guys thumping their chests and trying to save face after getting shot down.
I read a few of the people in this thread talk about teaching guys stuff. Why not teach people to salute a good fight? Well we heard from HT himself recently at the conference. This game is all about pissing people off and there it is.
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Ren a long time ago in another game I hooked up with trainer in a group class on reversals that met once a week for an hour and a half. There were eight students.
As an introduction to class all but one jumped in the trainers plane with him while the remaining student came in high from behind. The object was to kill the trainer while holding all the cards.
One at a time each of us attempted to kill the lower slow flying trainer. He killed us all one by one.
Over the next three weeks we worked on reversals, we worked on one on one fights. We worked on flying at a disadvantage.
As homework we were to fly into fights without an altitude advantage and work on reversals. We were to fly in areas outnumbered to push at our SA.
We were taught to fight.
In the arena the first time I reversed for a kill, the first time I killed two above me I realized what a game like this can offer.
It is head and heels above killin a toolshed, learning how to get a high score. Camping above and pickin.
It's fighting. And if you find us getting repetitious it's because the new guys being trained aren't introduced to it. Taught it, givin a taste of what the arena can be.
I'll fly from a capped field for practice. I'll stay under someone until they come down.
I want to be overtaxed, pushed, break out in a sweat.
I'll guaranty once a student has a taste, nothing will hold them back.
They will have learned the fight.
The continual source of frustration is that unless a new guy takes the initiative and does it himself here, he'll become like all the rest because no one is showing him the way.
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See Rule #4
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No one is really dying, planes are free.
I've beaten that into my own head again and again :) So in my opinion the key to the deal is knowing that, and getting over the fact that I might lose a few cause I lose a lot. BUT! The more risks I take in a fight the more I learn and the better I feel like I'm getting.
Again, I think folks get too hung up on the dying part. Somehow success in the game is not dying. To that end, they don't do anything that might cause dying to happen. So you get your 'attaboys' for landing 10 vulch kills and somehow that means status or self respect.
And if that's what makes you feel good, there is nothing I can do about it. But to me that's a bit like starting in a new game and immediately getting the cheat codes so there is no challenge or no risk. What's the point then?
I'm still laughing a bit from last night. I only got to fly for a little bit, but in those few flights, down on the deck in my good old 38G I got 5 guys to auger trying to kill me, 2 Yaks, 2 Spit 16s and a Tiffie. It felt good to know I'm getting better at surviving down in the weeds in that big, target, can't runaway from anything 38G that I love so much. I suppose I could have stayed up high and done nothing but try and pick guys in it, but I love it on the deck in the weeds trying to survive so that's where I end up trying to get better.
But in the end it's to each his own in the game. I long ago gave up on expecting anyone else to play it my way :)
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Originally posted by lazs2
See Rule #4
Yes. Due to the derogatory spelling of my ID, one has been answered. Next?
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poop and guppy express my own opinions very well. If you're not playing an air combat game with the express goal of engaging other players in cartoon aerial combat, then what are you doing wasting our bandwidth?
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
poop and guppy express my own opinions very well. If you're not playing an air combat game with the express goal of engaging other players in cartoon aerial combat, then what are you doing wasting our bandwidth?
Oh, yes. "GV'ers, Buffs, Field Gunners, please cancel your account as your are no longer welcome."
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Originally posted by thndregg
Oh, yes. "GV'ers, Buffs, Field Gunners, please cancel your account as your are no longer welcome."
That isn't what he said.
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I think we can consider bombers to be actual airplanes for the purposes of this discussion. While I know people like to flip out whenever this is mentioned, GVs are a sideshow. The game would continue just as it has with the loss of field guns and tanks. Neither is a key element, just something to keep the mooks occupied so that they continue to support the continued development of the game.
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laz, with all due respect,i have been a recipient of quite a few hours of rens time over the past year. he has proven himself to me to be a very patient trainer. if you disagree with what he says,kill his arguement..and yes in this case he does seem a little scrappy.however to mock his being in the TA helping people like me and any others that ask for it is out of line. everybody talks junk about stupid noobs(myself included) but who takes the time out of their day to help them. the trainers deserve our applause because they do what we do not want to do.anyway, i dont mean to speak for ren, but you can find him in the TA most nights if youre curious about his fighting abilities.I dont know the history behind any grudges here and all i wanted to do is point out that all of the trainers deserve respect from everyone in this community for at least that contribution.ankle humping over, my hips are tired.
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It also appears that the majority missed what the original point of laz2 was trying to make. He wasn't complaining about the act of vulching but instead was talking about the timid limp wristed rainbow warrior that will do whatever it takes to avoid a fight just for the chance to dive down on a field and hopefully vulch someone that is upping.
A good example of this type of pilot can be seen in the film I posted on this thread.
ack-ack
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See Rule #5
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mars, i respect your position as i dont know the history behind the grudgeand more importantly its none of my business.however,if ren did say that kind of behavoir and gameplay is okay..it is not what he trys to teach in the TA. to quote Tony montana.."you cant blame frank for that animal up there". what people do in the MA cannot be blamed on the trainers. the blame should fall on the lame tard practising that kind of gameplay. feel sorry for them.. they probaly just want their names in "lights" so bad theyre willing to do anything to get it there. i am not as articulate as i used to be because of some short-circuiting in my noggin during the 70's.lol. but my main point is .. if a trainer is saying something offensive or stupid in a post...kill their arguement...without respecting him...respect the fact that he and they do what we do not..train idiots who have never played a computer game like myself so at least we (the idiots can come into the MA and not be a total burden on those who have been around awhile.
btw im brick31 ..when i logged into the forums for the first time i didnt know what i was doing.
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This board is really not intended for grudge-fests. If you are holding a grudge, for whatever reason, you will not want to express it on this board.
Just a suggestion.