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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sandman on July 26, 2006, 02:55:11 PM
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http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=5196532
Is it true? The police were confiscating guns from legal owners during the Katrina disaster?
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Originally posted by Sandman
http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=5196532
Is it true? The police were confiscating guns from legal owners during the Katrina disaster?
Yes, it is.
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Originally posted by Sandman
http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=5196532
Is it true? The police were confiscating guns from legal owners during the Katrina disaster?
http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/Releases.aspx?ID=6466
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Was there a mention of it here?
If not, you guys are slipping. ;)
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Yes, there was mention of it here. I think it died out pretty quickly because nobody could figure out how to blame it on bush.
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Originally posted by Mini D
Yes, there was mention of it here. I think it died out pretty quickly because nobody could figure out how to blame it on bush.
That's easy... blame DHS and by proxy, Bush. ;)
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Originally posted by Sandman
Was there a mention of it here?
If not, you guys are slipping. ;)
there was a thread, it was either locked or fully deleted. it was druing that first or second week after the hurricane.
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It was mentioned, but it was in the same vein as "they're shooting at helicopters" and "george bush broke the levies" and "nobody's rescuing the poor people" It was pretty well buried in the chaos of the unsubstantiated rumors at the time.
I figured it was just a rumor or a single event blown out of proportion, but as the facts have come out (slowly... there haven't been any big headlines about it) there's really no controversy... it happened, perpetrated by the highest levels of New Orlean's city government.
All "for your own good."
lots of stuff about it on google
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I find it amusing that this guy refers to what is most likely the majority of Americans as the "gun lobby".
Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., repeatedly called the bill "insane."
He and some Democrats said the bill might satisfy the gun lobby, but it would put people into more danger during already perilous disasters.
"The streets of an American city immediately after a disaster are no place to abandon common sense," said Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y.
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Originally posted by Mini D
Yes, there was mention of it here. I think it died out pretty quickly because nobody could figure out how to blame it on bush.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :aok
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I seem to remember a lengthy discussion about it. It was right about the time that Lt. General Russel Honore rolled into NO on Katrina+4 and told local law enforcement to shoulder their weapons, after they had been fired upon for four days.
Here is the rollcall vote on the bill.
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll401.xml
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I find it amusing that this guy refers to what is most likely the majority of Americans as the "gun lobby".
The Chicago Tribune editorial board pulls that crap all the time in Illinois when a gun issue arises. "The NRA Gun Lobby vs. the right minded citizens..." Well Dammit, the NRA is there representing my rights as an Ill gun owner along with about 1.5 million others in the state. A solid number because we have to register as gun owners. You could probably add several hundered thousand more illegal but non criminal (no criminal use) gun owners who just never bothered to register. But, they never mention that people actually own guns and that these regulations impact legal, law abiding gun owners and not the criminals. And I do mean never, it is always the Evil NRA GUN LOBBY.
Charon
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Listen to this bellybutton clown's justification for confiscation.
Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., repeatedly called the bill "insane."
He and some Democrats said the bill might satisfy the gun lobby, but it would put people into more danger during already perilous disasters.
"The streets of an American city immediately after a disaster are no place to abandon common sense," said Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y.
WTF? Common Sense? Tell that to the looters, rapists and rioters who want to cause me and my family harm or take our possessions. I guess Carolyn has her body guards, and /or a right to personal carry for security like most politicians allow themselves even in the most heavily regulated firearm areas. Unless it's just an urban legend, even Feinstein carrys for protection, because, well, she's just more special than the rest of her constituents.
Nadler said the bill would prevent police from pickup up guns that could be seized by looters. Police and other law enforcement officials could face a personal lawsuit for picking up guns they later found to be legally owned, he said.
LOL. Man, you are really out of logical arguments when this is the best you can do. Yeah, and dammed right they should face lawsuits, if not a loss of their jobs and jail time.
Charon
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The NRA had to sue Ray Nagin to start the return of firearms confiscated during Katrina. I'm sure ACLU would have handled it but they were probably busy. Glad the NRA helped them out.
NRA has negotiated an agreement with New Orleans regarding the firearms seized from lawful firearm owners during and after Hurricane Katrina. The issue is pending before the federal court in the case NRA v. Mayor Ray Nagin. On March 15, 2006, lawyers for both sides informed the court that positive settlement negotiations were occurring. New Orleans has now confirmed that it holds a number of firearms and that owners of firearms which may have been confiscated may contact the Property and Evidence division of the New Orleans Police Department in any of the following ways:
http://www.nraila.org/CurrentLegislation/Read.aspx?ID=2057
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Good news for a change.
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Originally posted by Toad
The NRA had to sue Ray Nagin to start the return of firearms confiscated during Katrina. I'm sure ACLU would have handled it but they were probably busy. Glad the NRA helped them out.
hehe!
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The NRA is having to sue again regarding returning guns. The previous court order told nagin and the chief of police to return the weapons but didn't give them a deadline. They are dragging their feet and haven't returned one yet as they state they need time to screen the folks they will be returning their property to.
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well.. most has been said here... The NRA was essential in getting this bill up to a vote.. they had allready gotten several states to pass similar ones.
You may think that the democrats are not as bad as I portray but.... the vote count shows that only one republican oppossed this extremely common sense and human rights bill while more than half of the democrats either oppossed or abstained from voting.
If Bush were not pres.... I don't think this would have even gotten this far... more and more little mayors would be using any power outage as an excuse to barge in an confiscate guns.
Those who think people who oppose regestration of firearms are paranoid need to look at what happened in LA.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
The NRA was essential in getting this bill up to a vote.. they had allready gotten several states to pass similar ones.
They we're right to do so, IMHO.
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Yes... while I do not agree with everything I have ever heard from the NRA.. I do agree that allmost every single issue that they have lobbied for is in my best interest as a believer in the second amendment.
For that reason... and their safety programs and range programs and sponsorship of shooting sports.... I will continue to send them my money for dues.
Anyone who believes in the second but does not support the NRA is not thinking it through in my opinion or....making excuses to save a buck.
It is only $35 a year and you get a very good gun magazine every month with updates on legeslation that you would probably miss otherwise.. gun and gear tests and articles on firearms history.... last issue was a really good article on the post WWII Garand.
I knew about the gun confiscation and the details of the effort to halt it long before it was mainstream... in most cases... it never was even mentioned... I knew about it because the NRA reported it.
They do a lot of good things for us and... their entire agenda is simply the right to keep and bear arms and the furthering of hunting and shooting sports. Their politics are centered on what is best to get that done.
lazs
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This seems to be a clear violation of the 4th as well.
Should have never happened.
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You would think by reading some of these posts that you guys just can`t grasp the logical and practical thinking of homeowner gun confiscation during such dire, stressful times of disaster.
Do you not realize how many crackhead Joes could be injured, or even worse yet killed, while looting and robbing by homeowners and legal gun owners protecting themselves, their families, friends and property?
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Originally posted by Jackal1
You would think by reading some of these posts that you guys just can`t grasp the logical and practical thinking of homeowner gun confiscation during such dire, stressful times of disaster.
Do you not realize how many crackhead Joes could be injured, or even worse yet killed, while looting and robbing by homeowners and legal gun owners protecting themselves, their families, friends and property?
Sadly close to the truth in NO, you know with cops looting and all maybe they were a bit worried! :D
:D :rofl