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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Xjazz on January 06, 2002, 05:14:00 AM
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Pilot was 15 year old...
CNN news Here (http://herehttp://www.cnn.com/2002/US/01/05/tampa.crash/index.html)
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Is this for real?
I cant log into CNN.
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USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/hphoto.htm) What a love muffin kid. He could have made more damage trying to crash the plane against a Walmart or some heavy traffic. I dont know wtf is going on the minds of kids lately, doing dumb toejam like this. Cant they just take their lives in peace if they must?
A plane also crashed (unintentionally) here in PR on Saturday. Its been VERY bad weather lately, Ive been unable to fly for weeks, I dont imagine why a tourist with little knowledge of the island would decide to rent a plane with this weather.
Crash at PR (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/01/05/puerto-rico-plane-crash.htm)
[ 01-06-2002: Message edited by: Animal ]
[ 01-06-2002: Message edited by: Animal ]
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Ah damnit...well, I sense a change in FAA regulations in the works. I don't know why a KID would do this. I mean, surely at 15 he's old enough and smart enough to LAND the flipping airplane with two military jets and a Coast Guard helicopter following him, giving him orders over the guard frequency. I know I would be. Hell, he had instruction, why not turn around and land, if he took off by mistake. He had something on his mind, and I doubt he was on a joyride. Can the Cessna 172 outrun an F-15? Don't think so. I sense a Darwin Award for this kid in the future. :mad:
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well, I sense a change in FAA regulations in the works.
Yah... cbs newsradio did a bit on light plane crashes last night... 5 of of em yesterday alone!
Pretty much a normal day across the nation in light planes... why all of a sudden does the press decide to focus on it? Because some dweeb spoiled rotten kid whacks a building with a cessna.
Damn.
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jan 6... tampa police said he had a suicide note saying he suported binladen
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Is the kid dead?Did't look like he could survive that.
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Yep,dead and with suicide note on him...This is very disturbing.
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"giving him orders over the guard frequency."
What guard frequency?.
Daff
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I don't know Daff...all I heard was "guard" frequency. I assume they ment a universal frequency that can reach radios not tuned to your frequency...I think some control towers use it...dunno, just all I heard...
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Guard was (is?) a freq used by pilots in case of emergency. Anyone who flew in 'Nam can tell you what it was back then, but I don't have a clue what it could be these days.
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you can see a blood smear across the upper left part of the hole.
(http://www.e-musings.net/planecrash6.jpg)
what a 'tard. sorry, no sympathy from me.
his parents will most likely sue the flight school and win as well. sometimes freedom's a squeak, isn't it.
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look at the window just to the right----how pathetic! it isnt even broken!
what a loser. now that guy who was killed by pirates while sailing thru the amazon - now thats the way to go!
not killing yourself over one broken window. one less amazinhunk to worry about on the highway i say. good riddance.
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yeap. death by pirates seems pretty fine and manly imo. i would also like to go by ninja attack, italian mob hit, kidnapped by aliens, or fighting a bear hand to hand.
on the other hand, this little tardling only caused a few thousand dollars damage that some insurance company will pay, and actually giving more publicity to the bank.
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On a standard GA plane radio, you have to manually tune 121.5mhz for distress and emergency. I believe you *can* get radios that will automaticly scan 121.5, but I doubt you'll find that in a light aircraft.
I don't know if he spoke with any kind of ground (AFIS/ATC) before taking off, otherwise your best bet would be to use that frequency. (At least that would have been used anyway on the flight prior to that).
Other than that, hailing someone on the guard frequency only works in Star Trek :P
Daff
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Turns out the suicide note left behind..he was a Al Queda sympathizer... :(
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Al Queda sympathizer?
He was just a stupid little rat who wanted to leave with a bang. I would love to read his stupid goodbye letter. Hehe what a dumb maggot.
Dorkiest suicide ever.
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Here's the story about the sympathetic dweeb:
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/ap/20020106/us/plane_crash_31.html (http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/ap/20020106/us/plane_crash_31.html)
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He came close to an airliner apparently:
The head of the Tampa air traffic controllers union told the St. Petersburg Times that the plane passed just 1,000 feet above a Southwest Airlines Boeing 737 that had taken off moments earlier from Tampa International Airport.
Tampa controllers warned the pilots of the Southwest Airlines jetliner and they quickly slowed their climb, said Joe Formoso, the head of the controllers union.
``It was only by the grace of God that the Southwest pilots saw it,'' Formoso told the newspaper.
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MacDill should have blasted the nerd with a surface to air. Would have made a smaller boom then some of the New Year Eve fireworks..
Next, the news orgs shouldn't be glamorizing it by showing the creeps face on national/global tv. Just fuels other losers ambitions for "glory".
what a waste...
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[ 01-07-2002: Message edited by: Eagler ]
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Next attempt: driving an electrically powered wheelchair with manure slapped on the lap into a nuclear reactor.
Watch out America! The Kids Who Want Attention are on the way.
Geesh. Wish I could say "Only in America", but we got such psycho's here too.
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Darwin at work. It is too bad about the broken glass though.
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Bastage most likely grew up with a liberal Mother and gay Father. :rolleyes:
<returns sarcasm switch to the off position>
[ 01-07-2002: Message edited by: Tah Gut ]
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Feature this... if the Military had whacked this guy, there would be nothing left.
And the slavering press woulda been all over 'em for snuffing out the life of a 15 year old lost student pilot.
If the kid had hit that commercial air flight, there would have been nothing left... and the press would have been all over the flying school an the FAA for allowing it to happen.
Regardless, Flight Schools will see even further rectrictions and General Aviation will still get a black eye.. no matter what; it's a lose-lose deal for General Aviation intrests.
I'm expecting some jack-ass to pack a pound or two of C4 into a sporty .40 R/C trainer and fly it into a building any day now... and that'll be the end of R/C in this country.
*sigh* What next?
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Kids real name was not bishop. It was bishara, or something like that. We can figure it out from there :(
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Originally posted by Animal:
Dorkiest suicide ever
I think he still runs a distant second to those "Heavans Gate" tards....lol, they even bought matching tennis shoes. Probably were all kicked off the Mother Ship for extreme stupidity. :D
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Originally posted by Tah Gut:
Bastage most likely grew up with a liberal Mother and gay Father. :rolleyes:
<returns sarcasm switch to the off position>
[ 01-07-2002: Message edited by: Tah Gut ]
Nah they were staight. What the hell do expect from a kid with straight parents from florida. Just goes to show you what old time "family values" do for you.
Pity this kid was so screwed up he went and killed himself, glad he didn't take anyone else with him. But the irony in regards to what we were talking about a little while ago is funny...in a not so funny way.
Where is all the talk about gay, Californian, left coast, bleeding heart liberals?
Hypocrits.
I imagine it sucks, when you can't wrap things up in a little package and lable it.
Kids real name was not bishop. It was bishara, or something like that. We can figure it out from ther
Except you easymo, I imagine you'll always be able to find a sweeping generalisation so you don't have to think.
Have a nice day.
[ 01-07-2002: Message edited by: Thrawn ]
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I guess its not PC to point out that yet another islamic, tard, has tried to kill more Americans.
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Originally posted by easymo:
I guess its not PC to point out that yet another islamic, tard, has tried to kill more Americans.
Most people are more than their relgion, sex, sexual orientation or what have you.
These are things that are PART of most peoples lives, it doesn't define them. By making a generaization about someone or some group of people, based on one facet of thier lives, you are going to miss alot about thier individual motivations. If everyone said, "Oh well this kid is islamic (can you point to a reference that says he was?" Then no one would learn toejam about his actions and why he upped and killed him self.
I guess most of us don't really care or afraid of the answers. So we slap lables on him (or those around him). It makes us feel safer. "
Well he was islamic...so it figures." What about the thousands of islamic people living in the US, everday, that don't go driving Cessnas in to buildings. "Well his dad was gay...Well he was ex-military....Well her parents were liberals...Well his parents were conservatives...
diddly it, whatever floats your boat.
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Originally posted by Daff:
"giving him orders over the guard frequency."
What guard frequency?.
Daff
121.5
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(can you point to a reference that says he was?"
No. The fox news channel is the only place that will even talk about it. Shows where the PC crap has taken us.
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Maybe he thought his suicide was just a big joke? Before the news channel even said anything about no injuries, I could tell that only the pilot had been killed. The sight of cessena sticking out of a huge building was so stupid I actually laughed. Either this kid was very ignorant or he had one heck of a sense of humor. I am hoping the latter.
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Originally posted by fdiron:
Either this kid was very ignorant or he had one heck of a sense of humor. I am hoping the latter.
(http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/01/07/plane.crash.suicide/vert.bishop.ap.jpg)
Sense of humor.
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the more they flaunt him, interview his teachers, friends, etc, the more it'll look attractive for the next kid to try to be "popular" through crazy toejame. Copy cat losers, there are a million of em out there.
Hang, that's a freakin scary idea ... :(
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I was just looking at airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/discussions/) forum and it appears that this kid was a member of that forum. He had at least 10 different usernames and he claimed to be an airline pilot. :rolleyes:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/698562/ (http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/698562/)
In this thread he is posting as "ERJPLT" and accusing someone of being a fake pilot!.
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/684851/4/ (http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/684851/4/)
[ 01-08-2002: Message edited by: mora ]
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Fox News is the "National Enquirer" of all cable news services.
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Originally posted by Tah Gut:
Fox News is the "National Enquirer" of all cable news services.
heh. i liked the teaser cnn headline news was running just before commercial breaks when clinton's dog died...remember?:
"a former resident of the whitehouse has died, more after the break"
- a former resident of the whitehouse!!?? yeah, um, the friggin dog!! t
hats just irresponsible. hope mr levy is proud of his network, doubt his replacement will mean a damn thing.
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Its scares me they didnt shoot this idiot down.. Good thing air national guard are protecting us.. :rolleyes:
my uncle earl sitting on his porch in "west-buygod-virginia" with his remington shotgun is protecting us more than they are.. and atleast hes not wasting our tax dollars on fuel and feeding the public with propaganda, thats the only reason those idiots (air national guard) are flying around today.
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Oh AmOn you big tough man, I imagine you could give the order to kill some 15 year old kid, or kill some 15 year old without second thought.
Glad your not behind the switch. You can talk the talk, I'm guessing you never had to walk the walk.
Whoever was in charge of the situation made their dicision and it seems to have been the right one. One fediddleed up kid dead, one Cessna and one window.
What's your record on life and death decisions?
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, thats the only reason those idiots (air national guard) are flying around today.
Actually they fly right over my office daily and their real purpose is to provide me entertainment during the boring hours. My office is about 1 mile off the end of the airstrip, and the F-16 wing here will practice immels right off the end of the strip. Very cool stuff. I have a great seat to watch the airshow planes arrive each year. :cool:
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Thrawn my very good freind was shot buy a 12 year old kid in somolia with a AK47. You know why? because he hesitated.. A threat is a threat, a terrorist is a terrorist.
Yes i would eliminate the target.. once you cross the line this punk did you have no pity from me and should no longer be looked at as just a kid.
For all they knew that plane could have been full of explosives, other terrorist and who knows what.
Seems like you are the one with the inferiority complex, not this "big man".
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I heard the stupidest thing ever on the "news" this morning.. They were saying that his "acne medication" made him go nuts and do this.. LOL
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actually they are saying the medication for severe boil type acne may be linked to sucidical thoughts/behavior & depression or it maybe that kids with bad acne/cysts are depressed/sucidical anyway, no matter what meds they are on. The chicken or the egg...
just need to take his mug off the national news and stop making a pop star hero out of his crazy arse. It's exactly what he and his kind are shooting for by such irresponsible behavior. Should have been a one day 30 sec news blip, end of story.
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You have to think about this kids logic. If he had wanted to kill someone up to and including himself with an aircraft, why take the Cessna 172? We can see in that pic he only wasted one window. I figure he just wanted to go out with a bang.
But, still, he was a moron. He took a light plane and crashed into a building to make a point. What it is, I don't know, but he obviously wanted something more than to just die. But, in situations like his, you have to put yourself in the Coast Guard's and military's shoes. These guys had no idea that this kid planned on flying into a building. They didn't know he was suicidal. Their job was to get the aircraft and pilot down and avoid casualties.
What if the military hand snubbed this kid? Then we'd have people saying, "But, he had his whole life ahead of him. He was so young." because that's where our society has come to. No one would have cared if they shot him down becasue he was a threat. There'd be someone out there who'd be crying to the military for killing an innocent student.
Now, here's my opinion. Yes, I do think the military should have turned that plane into a wisp of smoke, and that they should have done it after the kid never responded. But, thankfully no one was hurt, and the only thing damaged was one window and an office.
And yes, I am also afraid of "copy-cats" wanting to be famous by driving a light plane into their school or something. I've heard ideas being thrown around here at school, being as my high school is less than 5 miles from Meachem Airfield, where their is a flight school. I'm a little worried, but I doubt anyone is dumb enough to do something like that again...
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If they're going to cover it, then they should use more accurate headlines. I'd like to see more on just how useless his attempt was.
"Bank of America struggles to replace broken window."
"Pilot gives his life to fight windows!"
"Physics presents a harsh reality for young student."
"Panebreakers poised to suicide rush 7-11 front store windows nationwide if the US does not change its foriegn policy."
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Uh oh...
They did it...
Had one of my classmates arrested for trespassing on the Meachem Airfield property. Apperantly his father owned an airplane...I think it's a Bonanza, and he had snuk into the hanger to steal it...I will see if I can dig up more information, but it looks like the "I want to be famous, too" bug has bitten...