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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Neubob on July 27, 2006, 04:19:07 PM
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My best friend is turning 30 this weekend. He's also turning into a bit of a connoisseur (wino), so I got him some18 year aged Glenmorangie (http://www.whiskymag.com/whisky/brand/glenmorangie/whisky526.html). Knowing next to nothing of the dark liquors, I was wondering if any of you guys knew anything about this stuff. Is it good, as far as Scotches go, or is it just overpriced?
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This was HiTech's favorite :D
For Bribes (http://www.internetwines.com/pa95154.html)
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I bet its excellent.. have only tried the 15..or was t 12?
That was great so your choise is prolly even better. :)
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It is excellant, although it's the taste is a little on the flowery/fruity side for me. I prefer Isley scotches (Laphroaig is a good one) that have peatier or smokier flavour. At 18yrs old it should be a really nice, smooth drink.
Cheers,
asw
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I've only tried the 12 year old, but that was excellent.
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18 year old bottle of Scotch? Trust me its gonna taste good. Its better than those regular "burn down your throat" scotches. At least this one has flavor to it :)
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Was at a bagpipe school a few years ago and my instructor who was then recently retired, the Senior Pipe Major of the British Army. One of his friends who came to the school with him recommended giving him Glenlivet. I dont know anything about it, good or bad, or the taste. If Glenlivet brought a smile to the face of these two Scotsman, it must have been good. I dont know how old it was though, I think 12.
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Yes Neubob, it's a winner, good choice.
Incidentally, if you want anymore best friends, my birthday is this Saturday. :D
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Originally posted by M36
Was at a bagpipe school a few years ago and my instructor who was then recently retired, the Senior Pipe Major of the British Army. One of his friends who came to the school with him recommended giving him Glenlivet. I dont know anything about it, good or bad, or the taste. If Glenlivet brought a smile to the face of these two Scotsman, it must have been good. I dont know how old it was though, I think 12.
a bottle of alcoholic lighter fluid would bring a smile to the face of the majority of scotsmen.
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I'm glad you guys give it your approval. I got him a bottle of Johnny walker black as a backup. Now I feel like an idiot. I'll let you know how he reacts tomorrow.
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LOL - give him the black label - keep the real whiskey for yourself
asw
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The Glenmorangie is a fine choice. Hide the Johnny Black. If you want to give Johnny Walker, go with the Blue.
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Probably a dumb question but, can you age liquor in the bottle it's packaged in? I think my mom has had some Crown Royal in the cabinet for at least 5 years, never been opened.
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Here's the odd part..., I bought the Glenmorangie at a Montgomery County store for about about $85. I was in DC about 45 minutes later and the same bottle cost $112. Crazy! Mont. Co stores are owned by the govt, but the break is absurd. Anyway, I'm thinking the Johnny Walker is going to keep him going while I slowly siphon the good stuff into my own stomach.
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Originally posted by Neubob
Here's the odd part..., I bought the Glenmorangie at a Montgomery County store for about about $85. I was in DC about 45 minutes later and the same bottle cost $112. Crazy! Mont. Co stores are owned by the govt, but the break is absurd. Anyway, I'm thinking the Johnny Walker is going to keep him going while I slowly siphon the good stuff into my own stomach.
If he is your best friend im sure he would want you to enjoy it. Afterall the Black Label is good, and in his case FREE.
However you spin it he got the best deal! :)
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Originally posted by nirvana
Probably a dumb question but, can you age liquor in the bottle it's packaged in? I think my mom has had some Crown Royal in the cabinet for at least 5 years, never been opened.
Booze generally dont get any better unless its in a cask, but it doesnt get any worse either. As long as its not too hot or exposed to sunlight it should stay good for a lifteme or more
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Booze generally dont get any better unless its in a cask, but it doesnt get any worse either. As long as its not too hot or exposed to sunlight it should stay good for a lifteme or more
I'm assuming this only applies if the bottle is unopened.
An opened bottle of Tequila doesn't last more than a month or two before it gets harsh.
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Originally posted by Sandman
I'm assuming this only applies if the bottle is unopened.
An opened bottle of Tequila doesn't last more than a month or two before it gets harsh.
yes.. good point
if air has gotten into the bottle (this applies to wines anyway) it should be consumed.
I have had a bottle of cognac that had been opened two years earlyer and forgotten in a cabinet. Im not a big fan of that drink but it tasted as bad as a fresh bottle in my opinion.
The general rule tho is that if its opened then you should finish it within a reasonable timeframe.
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Liquor does not age in the bottle. Age refers to the time spent in wood only. An opened bottle of liquor can oxidize, but usually it's those with cork stoppers.
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a bottle of alcoholic lighter fluid would bring a smile to the face of the majority of scotsmen.
:aok
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Glenmorangie is the best Scotch I ever tasted.
This is truly a good present.
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A question:
How does Whisky react to heat? The bottle was sitting in my car for about 2 hours, in a parking garage that was at about 80-85 degrees. I'm worried that I ruined it.
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As has been pointed out, Liquor doesn't age in the bottle. The cask itself and the surrounding atmosphere adds almost all the complexities (including the color - the alcohol itself is clear when it goes in) to the Whiskey. The alcohol actually saturates the wood, and gradually will absorb the local flavor. That is why Islay whiskeys have a "sea weed" or "sea air" flavor to them. The only other thing added is the distinctive "peat flavor" that comes from the smoking process that the grain undergoes in order to stop germination and prepare it for the mash in the tun.
Along those lines, Glenmorangie makes several lines of Single Malts that have been aged in barrels used in making other liquors - my favorite being the "port wine finish". As it ages, the whiskey takes on a distinctive "port" flavor which is actually quite good.
BTW - The one exception to the no aging in the bottle rule are undistilled alcoholic beverages such as wine. A good wine will continue to improve with age. Unfortunately though, 20 years in the bottle will not turn a bad wine into a good one. Some beers are better a few weeks after they are bottled (this is the case with some of the Belgian Ales), most however simply get stale with age.
- SEAGOON
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Hi Neubob,
Originally posted by Neubob
A question:
How does Whisky react to heat? The bottle was sitting in my car for about 2 hours, in a parking garage that was at about 80-85 degrees. I'm worried that I ruined it.
Don't worry, the top levels of the warehouses where Whiskey barrels are stored while aging will often get to over 100 degrees in the Summer. As long as you don't boil or freeze it - which affects the water content - you won't damage your whiskey. It's not like Beer in that regard.
- SEAGOON
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Home brewed beer will continue to "age" in the bottle because the yeast strains stay active. Purchased beer is almost always pastuerized to kill off the active strains. The reasoning is, if the beer continued to "condition" in the bottle, one bottle of Beer X could taste different than another bottle of Beer X. As for the homebrews, they last a LOOONG time if they are not opened. If you like beer, I highly recommend trying home brewing. It's fun, and gives you some tasty beer.
As for scotch, I have two Glenlivets (the 12 yr French Oak finish and the 18 yr) and a bottle of Johnny Walker blue that was a gift from my dad. :) The Blue is really good (it better be considering how much it costs!)
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Happy birthday, Seagoon!!!
(tomorrow, that is)
There's nothing like being surrounded by great friends. I hope that you will be also!
PS, thanks for explaining about whisky and heat. I was getting a little worried.
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Whenever people ***** about alcohol changing temperature, just remember how many times it's changed in warehouse/transit. Those beer trucks that deliver to the stores aren't temperature controlled, and the warehouse probably sees big variations as well.
Microbrews and home brews may be affected by the temperatures because of active yeast and such, but the guy who won't take his pasteurized, preservative-laden Bud Light out of the fridge "because it will get skunky" doesn't know what he's talking about. That beer's already seen so many temperature variations that one more isn't going to hurt it.
Good to know that Liquor doesn't age in the bottle, though. I've got a bottle of Glenlivet 12 year that's been sitting on a shelf for 4 years.
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Well I was figuring that because of the flavours from the wood and air that I always hear about on the History Channel.
Happy early birthday Seagoon!
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There's absolutely no doubt that Seagoon is an Irish Catholic priest.
Tell me I'm wrong! :D
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
There's absolutely no doubt that Seagoon is an Irish Catholic priest.
Tell me I'm wrong! :D
Lance Bass owes everything to Seagoon.
:D
Happy Birthday, dingus. It's saturday somewhere.
PS: How old are you now?
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Originally posted by Tarmac
Whenever people ***** about alcohol changing temperature, just remember how many times it's changed in warehouse/transit. Those beer trucks that deliver to the stores aren't temperature controlled, and the warehouse probably sees big variations as well.
Microbrews and home brews may be affected by the temperatures because of active yeast and such, but the guy who won't take his pasteurized, preservative-laden Bud Light out of the fridge "because it will get skunky" doesn't know what he's talking about. That beer's already seen so many temperature variations that one more isn't going to hurt it.
Dead on Tarmac. I can't tell you how many times I had customers ask for warm beer because they didn't want the cold beer to go thru a heat cycle and get skunky on the way home. I try to explain to them how many heat cycles it went thru already, but they know what they are talking about because they saw a TV commercial. FYI, no beer is not kept cold from the brewery to the store. I don't care who told you it is. As long as beer stays below 120*F, it will be fine. Over 120*F and you start to have problems.
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Thanks to you guys I know what i'm getting my friend in 5 years for his 21st birthday.
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Hi Diablo,
Originally posted by DiabloTX
There's absolutely no doubt that Seagoon is an Irish Catholic priest.
Tell me I'm wrong! :D
You're wrong. I'd be a Jameson's drinker... ;)
Still waiting on my prezzies... Asked the wife for a Single Malt and Cigars this year.
Hey wait a minute, that's what I asked for last year too...
- SEAGOON
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18 year old scotch???
Jeebus man, cain't ya afford new stuff?
:huh
J/K
My Dad had a bottle of scotch given to him as a retirement gift. It was 100 yrs old IIRC...It was like drinking a small (and I mean small..Dad was very carefull about doling it out) shot of silk.
We are scotch drinkers in my fambly (misspell intended fer my suthern frends)....hehe.
Bourbon is, was, and always shall be....the poor mans mash. (much like rye whiskey)
Git oot a yer shells man! It's aboot great (roll the R) pahties and gherls man, yew ned a sheeth on yer sward tuoo! It's a swarthy bastad that dosn't ken the code of the ewe!
cheers Y'all!
RTR
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My boy turned 30 with little to no fuss. Got his steaks and his drinks without complaining much. Still hasn't sample dthe old whisky. Maybe tomorrow. I'm still in my 20s :)
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Whisky wont be damaged from living in the fridge for awhile then either i guess..
what about the freezer?
It would kill the flavor until its back to room temperature I guess, but it should not harm the flavor or them goody alchohol friends swimming aoround in the fluid should it? :D
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Hi Nilsen,
Vodka is one of the only alcoholic beverages that can be stored in the freezer. DO NOT put a good single malt Whiskey in the freezer! Whiskey is not simply distilled alcohol, it is also a complex combination of oils, water, caramels, and other elements that all give the drink it's distinctive taste. Putting it in the freeze will damage it and change the taste.
- SEAGOON
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Hi Nilsen,
Vodka is one of the only alcoholic beverages that can be stored in the freezer. DO NOT put a good single malt Whiskey in the freezer! Whiskey is not simply distilled alcohol, it is also a complex combination of oils, water, caramels, and other elements that all give the drink it's distinctive taste. Putting it in the freeze will damage it and change the taste.
- SEAGOON
Thx Segoon
But a fridge should not do that kind of damage right?
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Hi Nilsen,
No, the fridge shouldn't damage your Scotch, but the flavor only really opens up when it's at room temperature. The real connosieurs always tend to drink it neat with a drop of water.
Uncultured goons like me just drop in an ice cube or two. ;)
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Hi Nilsen,
No, the fridge shouldn't damage your Scotch, but the flavor only really opens up when it's at room temperature. The real connosieurs always tend to drink it neat with a drop of water.
Uncultured goons like me just drop in an ice cube or two. ;)
Well so do i... 2 cubes in half a glass, or one i a quarter glass. yum :)
I have a mini fridge were I keep my rum, vodka, white wine and whisky in the summer when it gets too hot. Its one of those small movable fridges that works on 12v. Its warmer than a fridge, but cooler than the air.
I could leave the whisky outside, but i stick it in with the rest to have it all in one place.
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Had the opportunity to try some of this miracle drink last night while I was out throwing darts with some friends.
WOW! :)
That was good stuff. Very nice flavor. We then proceeded to get blasted on vodka. :aok
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Best Scotch in the world without question is Cardhu, you'll have to be real careful in selecting a bottle though, the distillery couldn't keep up with demand so they had to blend it, trying to find an unblended bottle is like looking for gold, Just so happens that I got 1 in a decanter and 1 in storage, rationed of course, xmas, odd sip at birthdays etc:aok