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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: xrtoronto on July 27, 2006, 06:15:22 PM
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See Rule #5, #10
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Well, let them have the nifty toys. Not going to do much good if their pilots aren't up to snuff.
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Let 'em buy whatever they want.
If it ever comes to that, and I cannot envision the circumstances in which it might, it won't help them anyway.
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Got to love the way the media takes common knowledge and trys to make it into BIG news.
Russia is not your friend.
Never will be.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Got to love the way the media takes common knowledge and trys to make it into BIG news.
Russia is not your friend.
Never will be.
Neither current US government is our friend.
Enough "friendship". Churchill said that "Britain doesn't have permanent friends, it has permanent intersts" (I translate it back to English from Russian, so the quote is definetly incorrect). Alexander III, the only Emperor who didn't wage wars, said that Russia has only two allies: it's Army and Navy.
We all have to admit that our countries have their own intersts, and sometimes this interests contradict. The only thing to add here is that "country" != "elite".
The most important thing about Chavez's visit is not weapon contracts. It's natural gas and oil agreements. Weapon contracts are mostly propaganda issue. I mean - showing that he's making his own decisions and doesn't care about some opinions.
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Good for Chevez.
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low skilled pilots + high dollar Aircraft =
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What goes around comes around.
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Chavez is an idiot. He and his buddy Evo should team up and take their Vaudeville slapstick someplace else.
Pffft.
A Venezuelan submarine force.....:rofl
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I doubt Washington is very worried.. I doubt they would be worried even if it was 100 SU30's.. and thats not because the SU30 stinks.
It would worry them alot more if they had sold some of the excellent surface to surface missiles.
One submarine? How do you even get the crews and availability up to a fear factor higher than that of the swiss navy. Doesnt take the US navy alot of resources to have it tracked 24/7 if they would ever need to.
Its good business for the russian suppliers tho, but thats not so bad.
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It's a colossal waste of money. There are several south american designs and systems that would fit their needs, but they're going to russia for military hardware just to get cool points... They're just proving that they're rotten neighbors and marginalizing their position on any issue imaginable.
Without a proper training program, even the best military hardware is just a collection of useless toys. I don't blame Russia even though I wish they were a bit more selective about their customers, but cash is cash and political ideals don't pay the bills.
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Originally posted by RAIDER14
low skilled pilots + high dollar Aircraft =
Kill markings on US aircraft :aok
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Originally posted by icemaw
Kill markings on US aircraft :aok
(http://wio.ru/korea/nvc.jpg)
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Originally posted by eagl
It's a colossal waste of money. There are several south american designs and systems that would fit their needs, but they're going to russia for military hardware just to get cool points... They're just proving that they're rotten neighbors and marginalizing their position on any issue imaginable.
As I said above - it's all unimportant, and in fact military contracts are nothing more then a declaration of making decisions.
Gas/oil contracts - that's what is important.
Originally posted by eagl
Without a proper training program, even the best military hardware is just a collection of useless toys. I don't blame Russia even though I wish they were a bit more selective about their customers, but cash is cash and political ideals don't pay the bills.
Selective?!
When US hosts known Chechen terrorists and employs them in DoS?! And after US sold manpads to terrorists killing Soviet servicemen?! And after US declares it will support Georgian regime that's aimed on killing Russian citizens in Southern Osetia and Abkhazia, and openly hosts Chechen terrorists in Pankisi gorge?!
Selective?
Did Vnesuelian terrorists blow up apartment houses in NYC?
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Originally posted by Boroda
(http://wio.ru/korea/nvc.jpg)
Your boyfriend is a pilot?
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And just where IS comrade toon now???? Speak up baroda. I'd like to hear how toon is enjoying his retirement benefits.
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Originally posted by Slash27
Your boyfriend is a pilot?
I think thats the N. Vietnamese fighter ace... Nguyen Van Coc
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When US hosts known Chechen terrorists and employs them in DoS?
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pleaseprovide names of these known Chechen terrorists employed in DoS.
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Originally posted by Maverick
And just where IS comrade toon now???? Speak up baroda. I'd like to hear how toon is enjoying his retirement benefits.
Nguyen Van Coc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nguyen_Van_Coc)
This guy is real. And he survived. Just like people who illuminated Hanoi sky with burning B-52s in December, 1972. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Linebacker_II)
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Originally posted by Yeager
When US hosts known Chechen terrorists and employs them in DoS?
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pleaseprovide names of these known Chechen terrorists employed in DoS.
Ilyas Akhmadov.
http://www.cdi.org/russia/190-9.cfm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyas_Akhmadov
Can't find any links to his current employment status, but he got payed by some DoS-sponsored foundation.
Mother****er got political asylum in the US. He should get a piece of rope instead. It's like OBL getting asylum in RF, what do you think about such an opportunity?...
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Originally posted by Boroda
Nguyen Van Coc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nguyen_Van_Coc)
This guy is real. And he survived. Just like people who illuminated Hanoi sky with burning B-52s in December, 1972. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Linebacker_II)
he only has 7 confirmed kills
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Originally posted by RAIDER14
he only has 7 confirmed kills
LOL only seven kills! :D Seven kills confirmed by the enemy = twenty eight kills recorded for the US pilot. See Korean war. Sorry. :/
Anyway, highest-scoring American "weapon operator", flying probably an F-4, has six unconfirmed kills. Again, if we remember Korean war - american air victories have to be divided by 3 or 4. So it goes. "UN" forces declared that they shot down two times more MiG-15s that were ever deployed in NK and PRC airfields. Soviet air victories there have to be divided by 1.5-2. But in this case - that Vietnamese guy has a confirmation of 7 kills from the US. WTG Nguyen.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Again, if we remember Korean war - american air victories have to be divided by 3 or 4.
Im not we use drunken Russian propaganda math over here.
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Both russia and venezuela are exporters of oil. Are they going to sell to eachother, or are they starting a new company for joint exports or something?
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Originally posted by Slash27
Im not we use drunken Russian propaganda math over here.
I wrote here many times that I compared 64th IAK PVO combat records to availible US records, and found out that Soviet kill numbers should be divided by 2, while US kill numbers should be divided by 4 or maybe even 6. I mean Korea late 1950 - late 1951. Unfortunately I don't have Soviet combat reports since winter 1951.
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Do you sometimes miss the old times Boroda...pre 1989?
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Do you sometimes miss the old times Boroda...pre 1989?
:lol
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Originally posted by Boroda
Neither current US government is our friend./B]
True and I hope we never deteriorate to that point.
Alexander III, the only Emperor who didn't wage wars, said that Russia has only two allies: it's Army and Navy.
The Russian government must be very lonely at this point in time. :)
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Originally posted by Slash27
Im not we use drunken Russian propaganda math over here.
Im not sure I meant to say. How did I leave that out?:O
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now thats a big shocker!!! now let me ask this... who hasnt the russians sold weapons to????
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As the owners of the largest arsenal in the world, what right do we have to tell anyone else what they can or cannot have ???? We never asked anybodys permission, why should they.
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nelson... of course he does.. his family was one of the privilidged ones. Now.. he is just like everyone else.
lazs
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Must have been pretty nice to sit inside the iron curtain and be protected from the lies outside.
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Hi Boroda. Please dont judge all americans by the ignorant arrogant few. A few of us got past first grade, we didnt all travel to school on the short bus. Those of us that fought and died for our country in real life can applaud the skills of others after the war is over.
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Does anyone know if Russia produces enough of its own oil to be self-sufficient?
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Originally posted by bj229r
Does anyone know if Russia produces enough of its own oil to be self-sufficient?
with plenty to spare. they are one of the worlds largest exporters and they will get even bigger.
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Originally posted by jamesdeanoo7
Hi Boroda. Please dont judge all americans by the ignorant arrogant few. A few of us got past first grade, we didnt all travel to school on the short bus. Those of us that fought and died for our country in real life can applaud the skills of others after the war is over.
How much skill does it take to sell war aircraft to a terrorist wannabe?
Especialy while promoting yourself as an allie. (Of course , everyone knows that`s a sham).
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Originally posted by Jackal1
How much skill does it take to sell war aircraft to a terrorist wannabe?
Especialy while promoting yourself as an allie. (Of course , everyone knows that`s a sham).
No skills at all..
P.S. thats a list that involves many interesting buyers AND suppliers ;)
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About as much skill as threatening anyone we feel doesnt do what we say is right. Or making a hotdog lol
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Originally posted by jamesdeanoo7
About as much skill as threatening anyone we feel doesnt do what we say is right.
Yea..........doing the right thing takes skill alright. Having the skill, manpower, technology and actual ability to back it up is the trick. That we have. :)
Or making a hotdog lo
I think you have found your calling.
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No thats called bullying lol that takes nothing more than igonorance and arrogance and thats what we have plenty of lol
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Originally posted by jamesdeanoo7
Those of us that fought and died for our country in real life can applaud the skills of others after the war is over.
Huh?
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Originally posted by jamesdeanoo7
A few of us got past first grade, we didnt all travel to school on the short bus.
The rest are politicians...
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Originally posted by jamesdeanoo7
No thats called bullying lol that takes nothing more than igonorance and arrogance and thats what we have plenty of lol
No, we have the skill, knowledge and the cajones to back it up.
Tell ya what. If you actualy are a residenence of the U.S. and you are that unhappy, you can always move to some prosperous and peace loving place such as Russia.
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Thats the whole point of this discussion you doof freedom of speech and you telling me to leave my own country justifies what I have been saying. As soon as anyone mentions we could possibly be wrong in our actions you jump on them from your cot. Just because I disagree with your pathetic chest thumping flag waving We are the greatest attitude doesnt make make me un patriotic...just more thoughtful of other peoples opinions.
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Jackal...thats a animal thats only hunts in a pack runs around screaming with its tail between its legs while stealing others kills...lol I think you found yours as well lol
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Originally posted by jamesdeanoo7
Thats the whole point of this discussion you doof freedom of speech
Maybe the thread title will help ya out just in case you can`t fin it on your own......"Russia defies U.S. with Venezuela arms deal".
Freedom of speech? I think not. :)
and you telling me to leave my own country justifies what I have been saying.
Who knows what you have been saying. I didn`t tell you to leave anywhere. I suggested that if you are so miserable in the U.S. and you found the U.S. poilcy so wrong, that you might be more happy elsewhere. A lot of gret spots open for someone with your opinions, as you have expressed here. Russia , Cuba, Venezuala, .on and on and on.
I have my doubts about your U.S. residence status, but hey...........that`s just me.
As soon as anyone mentions we could possibly be wrong in our actions you jump on them from your cot.
Now there`s an American statement .
The Evil U.S. Empire. :)
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I stand by my statements...you and americans like you are an embarressment . You think that only our polocies are right and that we have the right to bully anyone who doesnt agree. You didnt even address anything I said. So to make it easy for you I will ask it again..We have the largest cache of weapons in the world and we asked no ones permission to amass them . Where do we get off telling anyone what they can or cannot have... Its a simple question. If you travelled out into the world farther than your bedroom and read anything more serious than the sports page you might get a grasp on what I am saying. But I doubt it so insult away and question my roots. I am just sad I wasted 21 years fighting and serving so that this country could produce people like you.God help us if we ever get into a battle against an equal enemy...oh thats right theres no one as equal as us.
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God save us from perpetual, unskilled trolls. :)
We, the U.S. gives us that right. I don`t know about where you are from.
The U.S. has fed, clothed, financed, protected and basicaly pulled many countries fat out of the fire on many occasions.
The U.S. seems to be the only one able, willing and capable of doing so.
If it weren`t for the U.S. stance, there would be none. Many countries would be speaking a different language now and here in the U.S. we would be fighting a war in our own backyard.
Give it up and go to tea time.
So..........if I am reading you correctly here, you think the Russians selling war aircraft to a wannabe such as Chavez is a really nifty and cool idea.
Is that correct?
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Originally posted by jamesdeanoo7
Hi Boroda. Please dont judge all americans by the ignorant arrogant few. A few of us got past first grade, we didnt all travel to school on the short bus. Those of us that fought and died for our country in real life can applaud the skills of others after the war is over.
I must have not gotten past the first grade...are you saying you have
died for our country? If so, how does that educate you?
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Originally posted by jamesdeanoo7
Hi Boroda. Please dont judge all americans by the ignorant arrogant few. A few of us got past first grade, we didnt all travel to school on the short bus. Those of us that fought and died for our country in real life can applaud the skills of others after the war is over.
Can you please explain exactly where it was that you fought and died? GPS co ordinates aren't necessary, I'd just like to know where you died and are still able to post on a game BBS. Shoot the entire return from the dead thing hasn't been really claimed properly for what, 2000+ years? It could start a whole new trend here. You know, dying then coming back to life. Think of the commercial oportunities here and some of us want to know how the hell you got in on the ground floor! It may even have some impact on the education angle there. Perhaps some would be interested in getting past the first grade knowing they would have to have superior knowledge to come back and all. Which grade was the best for this particular angle and how many years of your life did it take to get through it? Please please expound on your vast educational background and help the unwashed masses achieve your glory...... :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Stagan
Oh were you thinking you might need to "liberate" Venezuela some day and modern fighters would make it more difficult? :confused:
Anyways there has to be a reason why you think Venezuela shouldn't get modern fighters; care to tell us what is the reasoning behind your opinion, Jackal?
You had to have an internet connection to post here showerboy.
Use it.
I would think that would even be obvious to anyone that has read a paper or two in the last couple of years.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Can you please explain exactly where it was that you fought and died? GPS co ordinates aren't necessary
:rofl
Doom or Quake possibly?
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Originally posted by jamesdeanoo7
I stand by my statements...you and americans like you are an embarressment . You think that only our polocies are right and that we have the right to bully anyone who doesnt agree. You didnt even address anything I said. So to make it easy for you I will ask it again..We have the largest cache of weapons in the world and we asked no ones permission to amass them . Where do we get off telling anyone what they can or cannot have... Its a simple question. If you travelled out into the world farther than your bedroom and read anything more serious than the sports page you might get a grasp on what I am saying. But I doubt it so insult away and question my roots. I am just sad I wasted 21 years fighting and serving so that this country could produce people like you.God help us if we ever get into a battle against an equal enemy...oh thats right theres no one as equal as us.
21 years fighting and serving? and whom have you fought for the past 21 years? You ask what gives us the right to stockpile weapons? if you havent figured it out yet, we defend and protect not only ourselves but our interests also. Your probably thinking who made us boss... ha ha... arent you.... well think about Bosina, Kosovo, Macedonia.. folks were being killed over there, we stepped up to the plate and defended the weak masses when none of their neighbors did.. cant do that without weapons.. You need some stuff stashed in the shed in case of an emergency. The topic here is that Russia is selling weapons to a government that dont really need them.. They are not what you would call a stable government. We stockpile weapons because of nations like Iran, N. Korea, Libya, Syria... and the list goes on.. You asked one guy if he traveled outside of his bedroom... Ive been around the world a few times.
BLUF, we (america) are a superpower!! and to maintain the status of superpower you have to smack the bad kids of the neighborhood and you do that with weapons... either deploying them or showing them.
please excuse me.... i feel like im talking to treehugging liberals.. ha ha ha
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Originally posted by Nilsen
I doubt Washington is very worried.. I doubt they would be worried even if it was 100 SU30's.. and thats not because the SU30 stinks.
Very crapy SU 30 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ0Ab5oCZLI&search=russian)
Your favorite F22 is nothing once visible compared to this baby.
Imagine what su 37 can do.
Have you ever thought that everybody knows pretty much everything about USA weaponry,but you don't really know much about Russians except for what you can find on the net in English.
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Originally posted by 101ABN
now thats a big shocker!!! now let me ask this... who hasnt the russians sold weapons to????
Well i belive for the price of one US fighter you can buy two Russian.
Wich are better in every way:)
That may be the reason why nobody wants to buy US weapons,exept for Israel,probly gets them for free anyway.
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ha ha ha ha... are you kidding me? you have to be kidding right??? no, seriously.... no really....
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tell me what you think is good... or better in your words... come on..... im curious... warn me first, dont want beer coming out of my nose on this one..
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Bekaa Valley.
Who really cares what Venezuela buys?
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Originally posted by KgB
Well i belive for the price of one US fighter you can buy two Russian.
Wich are better in every way:)
That may be the reason why nobody wants to buy US weapons,exept for Israel,probly gets them for free anyway.
You really believe what you type dont you?
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Originally posted by Slash27
You really believe what you type dont you?
What's funny is he presumed Nils is an American. That's anti-American isn't it? Or IS Nils the anti-American American? I get confused. I am sure he'll be by shortly to straighten it all out for us.
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Originally posted by Slash27
You really believe what you type dont you?
I sure do,is that wrong?
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Originally posted by 101ABN
ha ha ha ha... are you kidding me? you have to be kidding right??? no, seriously.... no really....
Ha..ha..ha no no kidding,wait let me think....no i'm realy no kidding....no seriously...no really....
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Originally posted by KgB
I sure do,is that wrong?
If it gets you through the day? No:aok
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Originally posted by KgB
Ha..ha..ha no no kidding,wait let me think....no i'm realy no kidding....no seriously...no really....
snappy comeback.. ha ha.... well wake me up when you tell me.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzz.....:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by KgB
Well i belive for the price of one US fighter you can buy two Russian.
That might be a good thing since one of the two will probably lawn dart.
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Originally posted by jamesdeanoo7
I stand by my statements...you and americans like you are an embarressment . You think that only our polocies are right and that we have the right to bully anyone who doesnt agree. You didnt even address anything I said. So to make it easy for you I will ask it again..We have the largest cache of weapons in the world and we asked no ones permission to amass them . Where do we get off telling anyone what they can or cannot have... Its a simple question. If you travelled out into the world farther than your bedroom and read anything more serious than the sports page you might get a grasp on what I am saying. But I doubt it so insult away and question my roots. I am just sad I wasted 21 years fighting and serving so that this country could produce people like you.God help us if we ever get into a battle against an equal enemy...oh thats right theres no one as equal as us.
I assume you will be in Crawford with Cindy Sheehan this year?????
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Originally posted by RAIDER14
I assume you will be in Crawford with Cindy Sheehan this year?????
I assume you this is the best you can come up with?
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Originally posted by 101ABN
we stepped up to the plate and defended the weak masses when none of their neighbors did.. cant do that without weapons.. You need some stuff stashed in the shed in case of an emergency. The topic here is that Russia is selling weapons to a government that dont really need them..
Shouldnt you defend Lebanon now??????????
Oh i'm sorry,you would be anti-semite then.......half of friking office are jews.No wonder Israel is never wrong.
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wow, now you are really getting off topic here..
half of whose office is Jews? What is the source of your information? ha ha ha... your posts are getting funnier and funnier as we go..
im not taking sides when i comes to Isreal and Lebanon. Both sides are armed and capable of fighting..
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Originally posted by KgB
Shouldnt you defend Lebanon now??????????
Lebanon can cure it`s own problem at any time.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Lebanon can cure it`s own problem at any time.
really.. how would they go about doing that?
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Originally posted by 101ABN
wow, now you are really getting off topic here..
half of whose office is Jews? What is the source of your information? ha ha ha... your posts are getting funnier and funnier as we go..
im not taking sides when i comes to Isreal and Lebanon. Both sides are armed and capable of fighting..
http://www.rjchq.org/
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/bushjews.html
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Originally posted by Nilsen
really.. how would they go about doing that?
They will go the same way Iraqi's did,this war is gonna last forever.
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Originally posted by KgB
Shouldnt you defend Lebanon now??????????
Oh i'm sorry,you would be anti-semite then.......half of friking office are jews.No wonder Israel is never wrong.
Wow, way to come out of the closet dude. Nice sheet too.
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KgB what are you trying to say with your links? That Jews are primarily Republican and rule the Bush administration?
What's your point?
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Originally posted by Toad
KgB what are you trying to say with your links? That Jews are primarily Republican and rule the Bush administration?
Yes sir
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Then you should read your own sources.
Party affiliation (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/partyid.html)
Generally that link from the site YOU linked says ~50% consider themselves Democrats and only ~16% consider themselves Republicans.
Further, your hypothesis suffers when compared to Bill Clinton's administration.
http://americandefenseleague.com/bilsjews.htm
Your case has no merit.
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Originally posted by Toad
Then you should read your own sources.
Party affiliation (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/partyid.html)
Generally that link from the site YOU linked says ~50% consider themselves Democrats and only ~16% consider themselves Republicans.
Further, your hypothesis suffers when compared to Bill Clinton's administration.
http://americandefenseleague.com/bilsjews.htm
Your case has no merit.
I never said that Clintons administration wasnt run mostly by Jews.
George Washington
( in Maxims of George Washington by A. A. Appleton & Co.)
"They (the Jews) work more effectively against us, than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in... It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pest to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America."
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I asked you:
"KgB what are you trying to say with your links? That Jews are primarily Republican and rule the Bush administration?"
Originally posted by KgB
Yes sir
So you are saying you believe that Jews are primarily Republican?
And you are saying you believe that Jews rule the Bush Administration right?
And now you are saying they ruled the Clinton Administration too?
You are saying all three of those things?
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I'm saying that jews run the Bush's administration just like they did before and will after.
Ariel Sharon:
"We control America"
"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
-Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001.
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Well, there were a bunch in the Clinton Administration; did they run that one too?
And when you say
run the Bush's administration just like they did before and will after
do you mean that they will run the next Administration no matter if it is Democratic or Republican?
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Originally posted by Toad
Well, there were a bunch in the Clinton Administration; did they run that one too?
And when you say
do you mean that they will run the next Administration no matter if it is Democratic or Republican?
Dont play that "anything you say will be used aganst you " crap,you can read,it's perfectly clear.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
really.. how would they go about doing that?
Well DuuuuuuuuH! :)
Hezbollah, cease and desist.
There are some really nice terrorist vacation spots in Iran this time of year.
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Originally posted by KgB
Dont play that "anything you say will be used aganst you " crap,you can read,it's perfectly clear.
If it were perfectly clear, I wouldn't ask.
Seems to me you are saying Jews will run the next Administration no matter which party wins.
Is that what you are saying?
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Originally posted by Toad
If it were perfectly clear, I wouldn't ask.
Seems to me you are saying Jews will run the next Administration no matter which party wins.
Is that what you are saying?
Yes sir
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Benjamin Franklin
(This prophecy, by Benjamin Franklin, was made in a "CHIT CHAT AROUND THE TABLE DURING INTERMISSION", at the Philadelphia Constitutional Convention of 1787. This statement was recorded in the dairy of Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, a delegate from South Carolina.)
"I fully agree with General Washington, that we must protect this young nation from an insidious influence and impenetration. The menace, gentlemen, is the Jews.
In whatever country Jews have settled in any great number, they have lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which that nation is founded, by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a state within the state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to death financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal.
For over 1,700 years, the Jews have been bewailing their sad fate in that they have been exiled from their homeland, as they call Palestine. But gentlemen, did the world give it to them in fee simple, they would at once find some reason for not returning. Why? Because they are vampires, and vampires do not live on vampires. They cannot live only among themselves. They must subsist on Christians and other people not of their race.
If you do not exclude them from these United States, in their Constitution, in less than 200 years they will have swarmed here in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land and change our form of government, for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives our substance and jeopardized our liberty.
If you do not exclude them, in less than 200 years our descendants will be working in the fields to furnish them substance, while they will be in the counting houses rubbing their hands. I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not exclude Jews for all time, your children will curse you in your graves.
Jews, gentlemen, are Asiatics, let them be born where they will nor how many generations they are away from Asia, they will never be otherwise. Their ideas do not conform to an American's, and will not even thou they live among us ten generations. A leopard cannot change its spots. Jews are Asiatics, are a menace to this country if permitted entrance, and should be excluded by this Constitutional Convention."
Benjamin Franklin
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Kgb are you as much a bigot as Franklin?
Do you share his opinion of blacks also?
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Originally posted by KgB
I'm saying that jews run the Bush's administration just like they did before and will after.
Ariel Sharon:
"We control America"
"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
-Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001.
perchance you could provide a link for that statement that DOESNT come from the DU?
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Originally posted by KgB
Benjamin Franklin
(This prophecy, by Benjamin Franklin, was made in a "CHIT CHAT AROUND THE TABLE DURING INTERMISSION", at the Philadelphia Constitutional Convention of 1787. This statement was recorded in the dairy of Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, a delegate from South Carolina.)
"I fully agree with General Washington, that we must protect this young nation from an insidious influence and impenetration. The menace, gentlemen, is the Jews.
In whatever country Jews have settled in any great number, they have lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which that nation is founded, by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a state within the state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to death financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal.
For over 1,700 years, the Jews have been bewailing their sad fate in that they have been exiled from their homeland, as they call Palestine. But gentlemen, did the world give it to them in fee simple, they would at once find some reason for not returning. Why? Because they are vampires, and vampires do not live on vampires. They cannot live only among themselves. They must subsist on Christians and other people not of their race.
If you do not exclude them from these United States, in their Constitution, in less than 200 years they will have swarmed here in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land and change our form of government, for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives our substance and jeopardized our liberty.
If you do not exclude them, in less than 200 years our descendants will be working in the fields to furnish them substance, while they will be in the counting houses rubbing their hands. I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not exclude Jews for all time, your children will curse you in your graves.
Jews, gentlemen, are Asiatics, let them be born where they will nor how many generations they are away from Asia, they will never be otherwise. Their ideas do not conform to an American's, and will not even thou they live among us ten generations. A leopard cannot change its spots. Jews are Asiatics, are a menace to this country if permitted entrance, and should be excluded by this Constitutional Convention."
Benjamin Franklin
Man, it is a forgery.
"The Franklin quote apparently first turned up on February 3, 1934 in William Dudley Pelley's pro-Nazi sheet, _Liberation_, published in Asheville, North Carolina. According to Pelley, it was taken from notes made by Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, delegate to the Constitutional Convention from South Carolina... But there is no Pinckney diary, and historian Charles Beard, after a thorough investigation... concluded: "This alleged `Prophecy' ascribed to Franklin is a crude forgery.. . There is in our historical records no evidence whatever of any basis for the falsehood."
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/what_they_said.html
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LOL!
Well, it's no suprise he believes it. Can't wait to read his rebuttal.
Thanks, Vad.
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kgb, we have a saying here in this country that covers your latest round of posts.
"Here's your sign." It will go well with your sheet.
By any chance, is your full name KKKgb?
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Originally posted by jamesdeanoo7
Those of us that fought and died for our country in real life can applaud the skills of others after the war is over.
So when were you exumed?
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Open Secrets
ISRAELI NUCLEAR AND FOREIGN POLICIES
Israel Shahak
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Israel and the Organized American Jews
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Nir approves the fact that `the Washington-based leadership of AIPAC accommodates itself to changes on the political agenda of the new Israeli leadership', but, like a real Bolshevik, deplores AIPAC's inability to impose its authority over `the 55,000 AIPAC activists scattered all over the US whose accommodation to those changes is much slower. Unless the American Jews so accommodate themselves, they can in his view damage Israel badly, when `an administration with a "Jewish connection" as firm as Clinton's sits in the White House. Since Clinton feels so committed to the Jewish vote and even more to Jewish campaign donations, Jewish opinion has a great importance. A danger exists that the present US administration may stop heeding the voice of US Jewry as carefully as heretofore.' In order to avert this danger, Nir proposes several measures closely resembling the Nishma methods, like sending `people with authority in security affairs, plenty of generals', to educate the US Jews, because their prestige in the eyes of US Jews remains intact, while that of the Rabin government sadly does not.
A deeper, but still unsatisfactory insight came from the pen of Meron Benvenisti writing for Haaretz (l July). His opinions deserve to be quoted at length. After noting that `the Jewish American community' bears no less responsibility than anybody else for `the status quo' in the Territories, Benvenisti proceeds to describe this community's ways of influencing US policies. He recalls that `when the [US] mission headed by Denis Ross came to Jerusalem, a Hebrew paper [Maariv] described it as "the mission of four Jews", and gloated with pride while talking about the Jewish and even Israeli roots of all its members.' Other papers did likewise. The `Israeli roots' of those US diplomats comprising what went under the name of a `peace mission' included the fact that a son of one of them was said to be studying in a Hesder Yeshiva, to receive military training there. He was also said to be a sympathizer of Gush Emunim and was awaiting the opportunity to serve in the Israeli Army in the Territories. Benvenisti's comment is that `the ethnic origin of American diplomats sent here to promote peace may be irrelevant, but it is hard to ignore the fact that manipulation of the peace process was entrusted by the US in the first place to American Jews, and that at least one member of the State Department team was selected for the task because he represented the views of American Jewish establishment. The tremendous influence of the Jewish establishment upon the Clinton administration found its clearest manifestation in redefining the "occupied territories" as
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"territories in dispute". The Palestinians are understandably angry. But lest they be accused of anti-Semitism, they cannot, God forbid, talk about Clinton's "Jewish connection". After all, for its own purposes, the PLO wants anything as much as to keep its lines of communication with the Jewish community in the US open, because it perceives that community as so formidably powerful. Let it be recalled that Arafat chose in 1988 a delegation of American Jews as a channel to publicize his decision to recognize Israel, because he 6elieved that only via them might he gain some legitimacy for himself.' Like the rulers of Third World countries whom I mentioned earlier, Arafat seems to have firmly believed in the myth of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
Benvenisti acknowledges that `Israel benefits from Jewish influence', but he also points to the resultant dangers: `The uncontrollability of the American Jewish establishment, together with its presumption that it represents Israeli interests "better" than Israel's elected government does, should be a matter for concern because American Jewish leaders tend to be more hawkish than the present leaders of Israel are.' Benvenisti observes that `their involvement in Israeli politics was recognized long ago as legitimate.' He also discusses their increasing financial support for the Israeli parties and movements as a manifestation of legitimacy. Even more importantly he indicates the difference between Israeli Jews and organized US Jewry: `The Jewish community in Israel is a sovereign body, its membership is determined by binding state laws and it bears full responsibility for its fate in every walk of life. US Jewry is a voluntary body, has power only over those who choose co accept its authority and even this power is limited in scope. Whoever wants to 6ear full responsibility should come and bear it here. Those who prefer to bear only a partial or marginal responsibility are free to choose so, provided they do not demand for themselves a status they do not qualify for.' It is rather curious that after defining the American Jewry as `a voluntary body', Benvenisti deplores its `uncontrollability'. But in Zionism such paradoxes abound.
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Originally posted by Maverick
kgb, we have a saying here in this country that covers your latest round of posts.
"Here's your sign." It will go well with your sheet.
By any chance, is your full name KKKgb?
:)
Sure,been watching "Blue colar" havent you:)?
Theres also saying a "redneck", term "heres your sign"and KKK are very popular in "redneck" region.
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Originally posted by Suave
Kgb are you as much a bigot as Franklin?
Do you share his opinion of blacks also?
They have something in common.
Make a comment about black people-racist
Make a comment about jews-anti semate
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Originally posted by Vad
Man, it is a forgery.
Author of that claim that you refering to is Jewish ,lolol
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Wow you are a real treat here. Your point is that the one pointing out the situation you claimed from Franklin is bogus is jewish (unsubstantiated btw) so therefore your claim about Franklin is true. Wonderful.
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Originally posted by KgB
Author of that claim that you refering to is Jewish ,lolol
It's deadly argument.
Sorry, of course you are right, and Franklin told that hundred of times.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Wow you are a real treat here. Your point is that the one pointing out the situation you claimed from Franklin is bogus is jewish (unsubstantiated btw) so therefore your claim about Franklin is true. Wonderful.
Vad
It's deadly argument.
Sorry, of course you are right, and Franklin told that hundred of times.
Same logic you use my friends.
Anything Arabs say is automaticly lie.
Anything jews say is true.
Bush said "Israel have a right to defend itself".
What a load of crap,it's called invading,stupid dipchit.
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Originally posted by KgB
Well i belive for the price of one US fighter you can buy two Russian.
Wich are better in every way:)
That may be the reason why nobody wants to buy US weapons,exept for Israel,probly gets them for free anyway.
Hmm..countries off the top of my head that have US weapons...Japan,
Turkey, Greece, Denmark, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iran, UK, Norway, Belgium,
Italy,South Korea, Chile, Thailand, Egypt, Poland, Pakistan..I'm sure there
are a few others.
Not like anyone wants a JSF either.
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Originally posted by KgB
This statement was recorded in the dairy of Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, a delegate from South Carolina
Dairy? Oh yea..............I remember hearing about this now. The Holstein/Jersey conspiracy.
:rofl
Theres also saying a "redneck", term "heres your sign"and KKK are very popular in "redneck" region
Horse manure. :)
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This board is turning into the %%% Democratic underground...KGB....it is customary to provide links when you cut and paste a quote from outside the board, that we might know from where it came
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Originally posted by bj229r
This board is turning into the %%% Democratic underground...KGB....it is customary to provide links when you cut and paste a quote from outside the board, that we might know from where it came
Links came from one of those "hate" websites,wich will be once again assumed by you as a lie,since it's created by arabs.So it is pointless to provide you with source of that info.
I deeply appologize.
Ok guys i'll be away for the week,talk to you next weekend.
Thanks for conversation.
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Originally posted by KgB
Same logic you use my friends.
Anything Arabs say is automaticly lie.
Anything jews say is true.
Bush said "Israel have a right to defend itself".
What a load of crap,it's called invading,stupid dipchit.
Call it what you want though I don't agree. The fact remains that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization and Israel figthing to destroy them is a win for everyone. Well, everyone except the terrorists and their supporters.
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Originally posted by 101ABN
now thats a big shocker!!! now let me ask this... who hasnt the russians sold weapons to????
Hmm.
I think I told several times here that in 1980, when Iraq attacked Iran - USSR immediately stopped weapon shipments to Saddam. Later, when Iran invaded Iraqui territory, USSR continued to sell arms to Iraq. USSR didn't sell weapons to aggressors.
It's obvious that Russian firghters will not help if Venezuela will be "democratised", but they'll make some problems for "democratisators".
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Originally posted by Boroda
Hmm.
I think I told several times here that in 1980, when Iraq attacked Iran - USSR immediately stopped weapon shipments to Saddam. Later, when Iran invaded Iraqui territory, USSR continued to sell arms to Iraq. USSR didn't sell weapons to aggressors.
It's obvious that Russian firghters will not help if Venezuela will be "democratised", but they'll make some problems for "democratisators".
:huh so when Iraq attacked Iran they stopped shipments bt when Iran attempted a counter-strike Russia aided Iraq(the Nation that started the conflict)
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I think I told several times here that in 1980, when Iraq attacked Iran - USSR immediately stopped weapon shipments to Saddam. Later, when Iran invaded Iraqui territory, USSR continued to sell arms to Iraq. USSR didn't sell weapons to aggressors.
:rofl
good ole Russian logic...
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Originally posted by Boroda
It's obvious that Russian firghters will not help if Venezuela will be "democratised", but they'll make some problems for "democratisators".
LMAO
Yea, I can see it now.......
"Gomez... it says here in the book to press the big red button to start" :)
Venz having them is no probelm.
It`s who`s hands they might end up in is the problem.
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Good for chavez, he's standing up to the forces of Imperialism and defending his own country, nothing wrong with that, I haven't seen anything about chavez looking to start wars or stir up trouble, or impose an economic will on any soveriegn state.
Looks like he's getting on with things, good luck to him I say.
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Originally posted by Boroda
It's obvious that Russian firghters will not help if Venezuela will be "democratised", but they'll make some problems for "democratisators".
Unless the "democratisators" are in F-15s.
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Im not sure I follow the logic, Venezuala has bought fighters, ok, so has every other country. Whats the big deal???
...I think Uganda bought some too, anybody worried about that?
Oh ya, some rifles too. With bullets, no really, im serious.
Sheesh. Don't read the papers if a small 3rd world country buying a/c for its air force causes this much grief to you all.
Chill. They didnt acquire a fleet of SSBNs folks.
Venezula, the next regional superpower? (cue dark themed music), next on CNN...
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Hawco,
Chavez is defending his country from whom again? Please tell us who is massing on his borders waiting to invade?
I don't give a rats patootie if he buys jets from Russia or even China. It's the pilot and training more than the plane and I doubt even Norway or Finland would have trouble with Chavez's folks.
:p