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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: DREDIOCK on July 28, 2006, 02:47:16 PM
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Yea baby.
It aint alot. but its a start.
Oh and thats $1,000 per occurance
1 illegal +$1,000
2 illegals =$2,000
And so on and so forth
Now if only all the other townships in the country had the gonads to do this
By BONNIE PFISTER
Of The Associated Press
TRENTON -- The southern New Jersey community of Riverside has banned the hiring and housing of undocumented immigrants.
The Township Council unanimously approved the "Illegal Immigration Relief Act,’’ making renting or leasing property to a person who cannot prove he or she is legally in the United States a violation punishable by fines starting at $1,000. Employing such individuals would incur a similar penalty, and could cost employers their local business license.
The five-member council affirmed the proposal Wednesday before a noisy crowd of several hundred people, whose numbers forced the group to relocate from town hall to a high school auditorium.
The ordinance mirrors one passed earlier this month in Hazleton, Pa. Local governments across the country -- from California to Idaho to Florida -- are considering similar actions. This is believed to be the first such ordinance passed in the Garden State.
A town of 8,000 located in Burlington County, about halfway between Camden and Trenton, Riverside Township is unofficially home to between 1,500 and 3,500 illegal immigrants, mostly from Brazil, according to Mayor Charles Hilton.
Municipal leaders say the influx has crowded schools and housing, strained public services and made parking spaces scarce.
Newspaper reports of the meeting describe a jeering, flag-waving crowd that shouted down a Latino minister who raised concerns about racial profiling. A recess was called and several people were escorted out by eight police officers -- half the town’s force.
It was not clear how soon the ordinance would take effect, who would enforce it, or the cost of training township employees in verifying federal immigration documents. Riverside Township’s solicitor told The Philadelphia Inquirer for Thursday’s editions that an amendment to clarify the language would be forthcoming. Neither Hilton nor top township officials returned several phone messages left Thursday.
Angela Mateo-Gonzalez, director of Servicios Latinos de Burlington County, said many longtime Riverside residents are legitimately frustrated about such public safety issues as overcrowded apartments catering to low-wage residents.
But such concerns should be addressed by enforcing existing codes applying to all building owners, she said. She called the mood at the council meeting disturbing.
"I think it’s going to increase racial tension,’’ Mateo-Gonzalez said. "A veteran told me he was at the grocery store and he got racial comments. He fought in two wars for this country. You don’t want to go back to a time where if you have different color skin, people will look at you differently.’’
Martin Perez, president of the Latino Leadership Alliance, said Riverside’s new law would be discussed at a board meeting this weekend, and a lawsuit to oppose it could be forthcoming.
He said his group met with leaders in Freehold last year to urge them away from ordinances over crowded housing that he said were discriminatory.
"It’s a housing code problem, not an immigration problem,’’ Perez said. "Often they realize the problem is more complicated than they thought at first.’’
©The Trentonian 2006
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yep.. the only way to stop the problem is to take away those who are making it happen...
The money changers that are profiting by this new age form of slavery.
lazs
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what a great start. Go after the source. :aok
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yup until the ACLU and the Hispanic political groups get their little town ordinance shot down for some sort of misinterpretation of some words in the Constitution or by some anti-dicrimination law.
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That's awesome
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One of the best parts is the town is made up of largely (legal) Portuguese immigrants.
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Now why would you guys think that the ACLU would go after this case?
I mean... there are thousands of human rights violations going on right now that are more grievous... They could not possibly think this one was more important?
Certainly you are not saying that the ACLU has an agenda that is different from what they claim?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
Certainly you are not saying that the ACLU has an agenda that is different from what they claim?
lazs
Perish the thought. :)
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Originally posted by lazs2
Now why would you guys think that the ACLU would go after this case?
lazs
It will when a landlord/propery manager requests proof of citizenship or legal residency from a Hispanic and not one from a non-Hispanic. That's the problem with these laws, they unfairly target everyone from a specific group and not just the ones here illegally.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
It will when a landlord/propery manager requests proof of citizenship or legal residency from a Hispanic and not one from a non-Hispanic. That's the problem with these laws, they unfairly target everyone from a specific group and not just the ones here illegally.
ack-ack
How does the law unfairly target one group over another if it doesn't mention ethnic groups at all? Wouldn't what you said be an example of a property owner unfairly targeting one group?
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
How does the law unfairly target one group over another if it doesn't mention ethnic groups at all? Wouldn't what you said be an example of a property owner unfairly targeting one group?
For example...you and I go and try and rent the apartment. Who is going to have to prove they are a legal resident or citizen? You who clearly doesn't look Hispanic or me who does? 9 out of 10 times, it will be me that will have to prove they are a citizen/legal resident and not you. That is the problem with laws like this. The intent is good but unfortunately the execution is flawed and does unfairly target a segment of our society.
Now if everyone that applies for an apartment is required to show proof of citizenship or legal residency then I would have no issue with laws such as these.
ack-ack
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ack ack... If the guy rents to us then he is making a judgement call... we speak unaccented english and we appear to be American citizens... our references will also tell him somehting along with our history..
We may not be what we appear and that is the chance he is taking by renting to us. He would be in just as much trouble if we turned out to be aliens.
Now... say they looked just like you but they spoke in a heavy russian accent... the guy would probly ask for proof of citizenship..
that does not make him prejudiced just a person using his judgement and taking his chances.
The law applies to everyone equaly.
lazs
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
For example...you and I go and try and rent the apartment. Who is going to have to prove they are a legal resident or citizen? You who clearly doesn't look Hispanic or me who does? 9 out of 10 times, it will be me that will have to prove they are a citizen/legal resident and not you. That is the problem with laws like this. The intent is good but unfortunately the execution is flawed and does unfairly target a segment of our society.
Now if everyone that applies for an apartment is required to show proof of citizenship or legal residency then I would have no issue with laws such as these.
ack-ack
again I don't see where the LAW descriminates. The LAW doesn't say check all hispanics it very clearly in black and white says illegals.
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Like AKAK says, its all a matter of application. If its fair and evenhanded, no problem.
For instance, I am currently making sure my company's best interests are served by having every employee in my department fill out and sign an INS Eligibility For Employment form. Every one, including the gringos. We've always required identification and a social security card, this is just another step in making double damn sure we only employ citizens and legal residents. Since this applies to everyone, there is no issue of discrimination.
culero
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Originally posted by culero
Like AKAK says, its all a matter of application. If its fair and evenhanded, no problem.
culero
No that's not what he said. He said it was the LAW that descriminates
That's the problem with these laws, they unfairly target everyone from a specific group and not just the ones here illegally.
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If I were to move to Mexico and attempted to conduct some kind of business venture, I am sure my paperwork would be checked to see if I had the correct documentation, etc.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
It will when a landlord/propery manager requests proof of citizenship or legal residency from a Hispanic and not one from a non-Hispanic. That's the problem with these laws, they unfairly target everyone from a specific group and not just the ones here illegally.
ack-ack
Problem is they target it so rightly.
I remember reading that
Of all the illegals here from all the different countries.
Mexicans make up like 60% of that and other spanish speaking countries make up somethig like another 20%. of the illegal population
Assuming thats true.
Why would they target someone who speaks,,say German? or perfect english? Odds are they are here legally.
If a man with blond hair robs my house, would I be looking for a black man with blond hair? or a White man?
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Originally posted by Jackal1
If I were to move to Mexico and attempted to conduct some kind of business venture, I am sure my paperwork would be checked to see if I had the correct documentation, etc.
Actually, you couldn't. Mexican law is that all businesses must have majority ownership by Mexican citizens.
culero
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Simple way to solve the alleged racist angle. All tenents are requiredto provide a copy of their birth certificte with application for apartment. No birth certificate, no apartment. It seems rather bigoted to assume that all of the illegal imigrant problems are hispanic in nature.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by culero
Actually, you couldn't. Mexican law is that all businesses must have majority ownership by Mexican citizens.
culero
That was the point. :)
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Problem is they target it so rightly.
I remember reading that
Of all the illegals here from all the different countries.
Mexicans make up like 60% of that and other spanish speaking countries make up somethig like another 20%. of the illegal population
Assuming thats true.
Why would they target someone who speaks,,say German? or perfect english? Odds are they are here legally.
If a man with blond hair robs my house, would I be looking for a black man with blond hair? or a White man?
So it's OK to make anyone that looks Hispanic or has a Hispanic name prove they are a US citizen or resident while someone like you with an Anglo name and look doesn't? I'm a US citizen, why should I have to prove it to get a job or a place to live while you don't?
ack-ack
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Who's the authority for that arbitrary threshold anyway?
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
So it's OK to make anyone that looks Hispanic or has a Hispanic name prove they are a US citizen or resident while someone like you with an Anglo name and look doesn't? I'm a US citizen, why should I have to prove it to get a job or a place to live while you don't?
ack-ack
"Anglos" do have to prove it. Everytime I get a place to live or a job I have to go through the same **** because I don't have a SS card. Which is ridicilous because an SS card is not a form of ID, it's just a business card with a name and number typed on it.
Usually it takes the better part of the day untill somebody with half a brain calls down to the numbnuts at the desk and tells them "yes an american passport or birth certificate is sufficient".
And fyi, most white people are not anglos. Mestizos are more spanish than the average white american is anglo. Assuming you are mestizo, you don't like it when someone calls you spanish right?
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
So it's OK to make anyone that looks Hispanic or has a Hispanic name prove they are a US citizen or resident while someone like you with an Anglo name and look doesn't? I'm a US citizen, why should I have to prove it to get a job or a place to live while you don't?
ack-ack
Anglo name?
Though admittedly I dont look it (in the winter)
My last name is "Mendez"
When did Mendez become an anglo name?
I'd have no problem having to prove it if asked
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That's all well and good, but there's already federal law in place with much stiffer penalties. Employers are required by the INS and IRS to show 2 forms of ID before hiring anyone. It doesn't seem to stop the hiring of illegals.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
So it's OK to make anyone that looks Hispanic or has a Hispanic name prove they are a US citizen or resident while someone like you with an Anglo name and look doesn't? I'm a US citizen, why should I have to prove it to get a job or a place to live while you don't?
ack-ack
Absolutely. Local Govts sanction discrimination when it suits their interests under the protection of 'the law', but a property owner cant?
Its common sense that you target those most likely to offend, or in the City of LA's case.. those most likely to succeed.
It was ok for the City of Los Angeles to make me wait in a line for 'male whites only', and it was ok for them to require I score 30+ points more than a non white for the exact same city job. My score of 105% carried the same weight as a non white who score 75%.
I watched as whites who scored much better were shown the door, while others who just managed to eek past 70% walked through the door.
If a property owner applies a tougher standard to a group s/he thinks is more likely to be illegal, hes mirroring the Govts actions.
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ack ack... I think you are missing the point... the LAW is not discriminatory at all..
The law simply provides for penalties for renting to illegal aliens.
Culero is on the money as to how the landlord applies the standard. You would have to have a standard practice for determining citizenship or lack thereof.
The law says that you will be fined if you rent to an illegal alien is all.
lazs
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Good luck with that (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_187_(1994)).
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Originally posted by Sandman
Good luck with that (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_187_(1994)).
A different time and certainly a different country mindset as a whole.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
A different time and certainly a different country mindset as a whole.
We'll see. This one will probably be challenged.