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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Udie on January 07, 2002, 04:25:00 PM
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I hate that dickheaded fargin amazinhunk. squealing hypocritical liar. I sincerely hope that nobody believes him when he talks. I knew all the post 9-11 words out of his trap were not true.
What gaul. Refuse to even bring up the stimulous package for a vote before Christmas, then tries to blame the ressession on Bush. Lemme see, when did the slowdown start? Who was in office then ?
Please God let the Republicans take back the Senate this fall........
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i knew i liked you for some reason, udie. hehe.
i totally agree!
udie for congress!
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LOL!
Politicians playing politics again. We got republicrat neck chafe again... just got my first new Bush Tax cut paycheck.. wow.. 7 bucks!!
Whooooopeee! I'm rich, my problems are solved and I'm gonna end the recession right here and now and buy a sixpack every week with the additional spending money.
PARTY TIME!
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Originally posted by Hangtime:
LOL!
Politicians playing politics again. We got republicrat neck chafe again... just got my first new Bush Tax cut paycheck.. wow.. 7 bucks!!
Whooooopeee! I'm rich, my problems are solved and I'm gonna end the recession right here and now and buy a sixpack every week with the additional spending money.
PARTY TIME!
hehe know what I got? $0.00 :) ofcourse it's my fault for not paying what er.... not knowing what deductions I was allowed to take a few years back when I had my own business.
Your point kinda helps mine though Hang :) how in the Hell could that measly little tax check y'all got wreck the strongest economy ever? Answer it didn't.
and yes in about 30 min it will be PARTY TIME :D
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Damn Udie, I'm terribly sorry but God told me She was a Liberal Democrat. :D
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The DEM's increased the amount, over what the President was asking. Dashole is trashing his own Party.LOL
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my check got smaller for the first time in about 10 years.
the breakdown on the 'tax cuts' i saw on the news said.
1. inheritance tax=you can now inherit 1 million tax free.
2. income tax=people in the highest tax bracket recieved 1/2% tax cut.
3. social security tax= those making less than 85k per year recieved a tax increase
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Yeah, how dare Daschle try to hinder a "stimulus" package that was so hostile to working Americans that focus groups refused to believe it.
I mean, jeez, what gall trying to get a stimulus package that will actually help the people who need help. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Karnak:
Yeah, how dare Daschle try to hinder a "stimulus" package that was so hostile to working Americans that focus groups refused to believe it.
:rolleyes:
how's that? how is you and me getting a tax cut this year harmful to us? I know I need the extra cash. I'd rather spend it myself than have congress waste it. Dashald is a liar, period. He's playing political games when he should be trying to help the nation. I hope people in his state see how he really is and get rid of him at his next election. I'm tired of hearing his lies.
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the part thats bad is that people who really need more cash are left out of the tax cut (only people who are making enough to be in the highest tax bracket or recieving a large inheritance will see any real relief) while taxes went up in the late 90's deductions went up even more so those who need the money for food and such actually got more of their check to keep, especially those trying to raise children.
i know this statement will piss of alot of republican chearleaders but the republican party traditionaly gives tax breaks to the rich, while leaving out the poor(and some times even adding taxes specificly for those in need, was it reagan or bush sr. who decided it would be a good source of money to tax unemployment benifits? ya the unemployed have cash to spare) and then cutting social services.
btw, just heard bush on tv this morning he basicly acnowledged that the poor where left out but says it would send 'the wrong message' to change the plan now
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democrats = give money to the unemployed so they can stay unemployed.
republicans = give money (tax break, their own money) to corporations so they can grow, create new jobs and give the unemployed a chance to pull their own weight.
any tax break is good, I don't care if it's 2 cents. It's my money, I earned it and I want it for my family & I.
Seems pretty simple to me, you pull your own weight or you don't..then again if everyone pulled his or her own weight, what need would we have for the dumbocrats, who in their right mind would vote for them, who in their right mind votes for them now?
Heard a comparison of Bush and Daschle yesterday as who you'd rather have lead the country out of these hard economic times. Bush creamed Tommy boy with his qualifications, education & business experience. You know ole Tom has never had anything but a gov job? Nothing in the private sector. Oh yeah, he knows how the real world works. I'll try to find that in print..
hehe Tom Dashole - that's good.
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Heard a comparison of Bush and Daschle yesterday as who you'd rather have lead the country out of these hard economic times. Bush creamed Tommy boy with his qualifications, education & business experience.
None of the businesses the slack jawed fool from Texas operated ever had any success did they, in fact weren't they all LOSERS for the investors?
He isn't smart enough to pour the piss out of his own boots, good thing daddy and Cheney are running the country and allowing Dubya to have a 4 year vacation or we would be in deep toejam.
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yeah, weazel sure ...
we'd all be better off if Goron took 1st prize.
I'm sure the DOW would be over 15k by now :)
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Lets do alittle comparison on who is the better authority on our economic recovery that started taking a downturn when America woke up in Clintons reign and realized that the dot.coms were overrated:
Bush:Bachelor of History from Yale.
Daschle: Bachelor of Political Science from South Dakota State U.
Bush: a Masters Degree in Business Administration from Harvard
Daschle: no post-graduate degree in economics or anything else.
Bush: 11 years as an owner and an employee in private business.
Daschle: no private-sector experience. Never owned, never started, a business.
Bush: 5 years as partner in revitalizing MLB franchise, the Texas Rangers.
Daschle: 5 years on the public payroll as an aide to an ultra-liberal senator.
Bush: Six years as chief executive of the 2nd-largest state of 28 million people
Daschle: Fifteen years, one of three statewide representatives of the 46th-largest state of 696,004 people.
Bush: Texas is the size of 36 New Jerseys and has a 1,254-mile international trade border.
Daschle: South Dakota is the size of ten New Jerseys and has no international trade border.
Bush: the gross state product of Texas ranks third of the 50 states.
Daschle: the gross state product of South Dakota ranks 47th of the 50 states.
Bush: In 2000, citizens of Texas earned $1,729 more per capita than those in South Dakota and had $1,061 more in disposable income.
Daschle: In 2000, SD ranked ten states behind Texas in per capita income.
Bush: Texans earned third place in total personal income for the year 2000.
Daschle: South Dakota earned 47th place in TPI for the year 2000.*
Bush: In 1999, a Site Selection's corporate survey ranked Texas' business climate #1 of all states.
Daschle: In 1999, it ranked South Dakota's business climate #22 of all states.
Bush: stands six feet tall.
Daschle: Five foot six inches in heels.
Bush: Big feet, big hands,atheletic.
Daschle: Small feet, small hands... (You do the math.)
Bush: 32 teeth.
Daschle: Four rows of 40-teeth each, like a shark.
You never hear a word about President Bush having a Harvard MBA, do you? You never hear about him having a degree in history from Yale. It's taken as conventional wisdom that Mr. Bush is a boob, a frat boy, and he just slid through life on his name. It's not true, folks. Bush has experience on the economy - both in the classroom and in the real world -
while all Daschle has ever studied and done involves winning elections in a small, relatively business-unfriendly state.
Who can we trust to know how nations revive economies and recessions and create jobs? The answer is crystal clear.
[ 01-08-2002: Message edited by: Ripsnort ]
[ 01-08-2002: Message edited by: Ripsnort ]
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thanks Rip, that's the one <S>
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Originally posted by weazel:
None of the businesses the slack jawed fool from Texas operated ever had any success did they, in fact weren't they all LOSERS for the investors?
He isn't smart enough to pour the piss out of his own boots, good thing daddy and Cheney are running the country and allowing Dubya to have a 4 year vacation or we would be in deep toejam.
Prove your statements or shut your hole. And by all means please keep underestimating him. You liberal losers are the diddlying reason we're in the mess we're in. Go ahead and hang your hat on the past 8 years. We'll be paying for those 8 years for a long time and we've already started paying. Your boy had 3 galdarned chances to have bin laden HANDED OVER WITH NO STRINGS ATTACHED after we KNEW HE WAS A TERRORIST WHO ATTACKED AMERICAN PROPERTY Clinton said no each time. Go ahead and line yourself up in his corner, the sorry son of a squeak is just as much responsible for 9/11 as bin laden. Go ahead and keep defending that piece of toejam and his administration, go ahead and keep thinking Bush is stupid. T. Damazinhunk spent the better part of 8 years defending that bastard so he's partly responsible too as far as I'm concerned.
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Clinton left the White House in shambles- literally. Destroyed and stolen government property, desks left with drawers pulled out on the floor and/or broken, phones destroyed, chairs busted.. the list goes on.
How you can still defend or even like him is beyond me. He's not a president, he was just an appointed piece of toejam more concerned with getting his nob slobbed than actually doing a worthwhile job.
-SW
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Typical ratpublican tactics to put words in someones mouth. I didn't defend anyone-just pointed out that in the private sector Dubya was a failure. :rolleyes:
So shut your own hole udie and keep believing that little rat diddly is someting special, he's scum born of scum.
You know...the son of a noodlesucker who helped import and sell drugs to Americans, of course you probably see nothing wrong with that since you are proud of the fact that your a doper.
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Weazel, he was not a failure in the private sector.
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Originally posted by weazel:
Typical ratpublican tactics to put words in someones mouth. I didn't defend anyone-just pointed out that in the private sector Dubya was a failure. :rolleyes:
So shut your own hole udie and keep believing that little rat diddly is someting special, he's scum born of scum.
You know...the son of a noodlesucker who helped import and sell drugs to Americans, of course you probably see nothing wrong with that since you are proud of the fact that your a doper.
Your full of toejam weazel. Again, prove your statements? can't can you? :) Prove any of them. And for the record, I don't think he's so special. I just know that he's no handsomehunk. You are for thinking he is, but please keep underestimating him. He did fail in some businesses, but you know what, people learn from failures. Well some do. I'd rather have somebody who failed in business in the private sector over somebody who's never even worked in the private sector anyday. Damazinhunk is a parasite as far as I"m concerned, living off the work of others his whole career.
Votes himself a raise then wont schedule a vote for you and me to get a raise, er.. more of our own money back in a tax cut. What a piece of work he is, good ole liberal through and through...
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Prove your statements or shut your hole. And by all means please keep underestimating him. You liberal losers are the diddlying reason we're in the mess we're in. Go ahead and hang your hat on the past 8 years. We'll be paying for those 8 years for a long time and we've already started paying. Your boy had 3 galdarned chances to have bin laden HANDED OVER WITH NO STRINGS ATTACHED after we KNEW HE WAS A TERRORIST WHO ATTACKED AMERICAN PROPERTY Clinton said no each time. Go ahead and line yourself up in his corner, the sorry son of a squeak is just as much responsible for 9/11 as bin laden. Go ahead and keep defending that piece of toejam and his administration, go ahead and keep thinking Bush is stupid. T. Damazinhunk spent the better part of 8 years defending that bastard so he's partly responsible too as far as I'm concerned.
I sense anger here. ;)
Bush and Dashell are both just playing politics, and both are putting their own little spin on the situation. Dashell wants to return the Dems to their strength which is Social Security and its protection. Bush wants to make the GOP look good to its base of business leaders by accusing Dashell of wanting to "RAISE TAXES". Dashell never said that and Bush knows it. I think in the long term the "Over my dead body" quote will come back to haunt GW. Very similar to his Daddy saying "read my lips".
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Weazel, he was not a failure in the private sector.
Guess it depends on how one defines "failure"
Interesting reading: http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm (http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm)
dh
(not a democrat)
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Well done comparison,Ripsnort.
JFK would be a conservative Republican nowadays.The first thing he did was cut taxes and jumpstart the economy.I know.I felt it in my wallet when he did that.Ditto with Reagan.The only difference was that under Reagan the Dems kept filling up their pork barrels.They can not keep themselves from buying poor peoples votes.
Has any one ever figured out how extra taxes add to inflation ? You tax them more,they raise prices to cover it.Workers demand cost of living increases.
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Bush has a Harvard MBA and private sector experience. Daschele has a political science degree & has had only government jobs and he's an econ expert?
He's nothing but an obstructionist.
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ET, if I were my age today in the 50's and early 60's, I too would be a democrat, however, the democratic party has drastically changed since the late 60's, and I cannot even come close to aligning myself with a political party that wants bigger Gov't, more taxes, and supports the left wing wacko groups like PETA, Green Peace, etc. etc.
Most of the older folks I know (50 to 70 yr olds) *used* to be dems back then, they've all change to the Republican party due to the left wing extremists that the Dems openly support.
Me? I still vote the issues, even voted for 1 dem in this last state election...but primarily my vote goes to the conservative ballot.
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Originally posted by Tah Gut:
..by accusing Dashell of wanting to "RAISE TAXES". Dashell never said that and Bush knows it. I think in the long term the "Over my dead body" quote will come back to haunt GW. Very similar to his Daddy saying "read my lips".
revoking a tax cut IS raising taxes
I don't think Jr will get the same burn as Sr as they have learned to show who causes the tax increases, the dems. They caused the tax increase of Sr and they are trying again now.
Plus way different economic times. Market was going up, just won the Gulf war compared to econmoy in the toliet, fighting the good fight with no end in sight. I think Tommy boy is shooting himself in the foot.
Slamming a tax cut most of democrat buddies pasted in the 1st place.. :)
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Originally posted by Tah Gut:
I sense anger here. ;)
Bush and Dashell are both just playing politics, and both are putting their own little spin on the situation. Dashell wants to return the Dems to their strength which is Social Security and its protection. Bush wants to make the GOP look good to its base of business leaders by accusing Dashell of wanting to "RAISE TAXES". Dashell never said that and Bush knows it. I think in the long term the "Over my dead body" quote will come back to haunt GW. Very similar to his Daddy saying "read my lips".
You bet there's anger. Bush isn't playing polotics. He's doing exactly what he said he would do, except maybe the uniter thing, but who cares about that anyway. And yes taking away a tax cut is a tax increase. Cut it anyway you want, damazinhunk is lying and Bush isn't. The sorry mother diddlyer gave himself a diddlying raise when we're in a recession. I got a memo w/ my last paycheck that said, sorry due to the economy no reviews for raises this year. That's means I'm stuck at the same rate of pay with the posibility that they may "raise" my taxes. Hmm less money for me (not rich) more for congress (mostly rich people). diddly them, all of em. Keep it up and we'll probobly start seeing more American terrorist, which is probobly what they want. Then they can really clamp down on our rights.
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<Throws in referee shirt...>
Guys guys guys...
Rip, beautiful comparison!
Look, take it from me, I'm from Maine, the same stupid liberal state the brought you George Mitchell, the most partisan man in the world. Tom is doing what Democrats try to do best...hold things up, cry foul and blame the Republicans for not doing anything while blocking any and all efforts to remedy the situation(s). They hope by doing so they can win votes in the next election by continously crying poor me for months.
Want to thank something, thanks Mr Jeffords for abadoning his Republican voters last year. We could have gotten a lot down, but Mr Jeffords felt he wasn't getting any limelight and with such a narrow margin in the Senate, he got "loved" by the Democrats. Odd we don't see much of that love now, do we?
So, we have a Senate that refuses to act because the slim majority want things to grind to a halt, look aweful, and win themself votes for 2004. The general public doesn't follow politics and simply beleive what they see on TV, especially at election season, when the Democratic Spin Cycle is on overdrive.
I'm amused how people how do not PAY taxes feel the government owes them something. I know MANY MANY small companies and people who earn $50 or $100k a year. They work their tulips off taking care of their employees and business, only to be taxed mercilessly for being successful and responsible. These people, amongst others, are told they do not deserve a tax cut. Yet its their taxes that fund many public programs those "underprivileged" use and abuse.
The Democrats feel we should all make $50k a year, whether we earn it or not. They encourage class rivalry. Its not fair your neighbor has more than you, and he should be taxed hard, so we are all "equal". Remind you of Communism?
Check your paycheck stubbs. Medicare tax. Great. I challenge you to qualify for Medicare now. Can't? Make too much? How's it feel to support a program everyone else can use except you?
Sorry for the rant. I'm just in awe how the Democrats are being. I was raised to be responsible for my own actions and not rely on or need handouts. Im baffled at punishing those who rise above it all and succeed. Im also puzzled by a government party that feels we need to hand out money to those who havent been part of earning it. Buys votes, Im sure. But aren't people smarter than that?
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(Daschle) First, we should pass a new Jobs Creation Tax Credit. This tax cut would be available to every business in America. It says, simply, that if you increase your payroll -- if you hire new people, restore hours that have been cut, or give your workers a raise -- you'll be reimbursed for all of the extra payroll taxes.
<sarcasm on> Damn those left wing, tree huggin, welfare lovin, pinko liberals!<off>
Doesn't sound like raising taxes to me. Just because the 2 sides disagree on how to implement a recovery package, doesn't mean 1 side is in league with the devil. Most economists are already predicting a recovery or saying it has already started. By the time these guys quit throwing stones the economy will be back in swing and we won't need a "recovery package".
Saying GWB isn't playing politics is absurd! Of course he is. It's a big part of his job. Take off the blinders guys, the world isn't black and white.
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Actually, on this current debate, I think alittle of what Das-hole is offering, and alot of what Bush is offering, is best for America.
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Originally posted by weazel:
Typical ratpublican tactics to put words in someones mouth. I didn't defend anyone-just pointed out that in the private sector Dubya was a failure.
The Texas Rangers made money when he owned them. Now with Tom Hicks as owner they are losing money ..well thats if you can believe anything major league baseball says about its finances.
So your statement that all his business failed is either a mistake or a lie.. you call it.
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Well I guess we could use the 313 Billion Clinton left over to pay down the national dept and shore up social security. Have a prescription drug benifit for seniors Improve the edu system..
Oh... you say the surplus got looted?.. why that bastage cLInToOn!!!
10Bears
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Originally posted by Krusher:
The Texas Rangers made money when he owned them. Now with Tom Hicks as owner they are losing money ..well thats if you can believe anything major league baseball says about its finances.
So your statement that all his business failed is either a mistake or a lie.. you call it.
Try http://www.georgebush2000.com/baseball1-intro.html (http://www.georgebush2000.com/baseball1-intro.html)
Talks about how he "made" his money.
dh
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Originally posted by 10Bears:
Well I guess we could use the 313 Billion Clinton left over to pay down the national dept and shore up social security. Have a prescription drug benifit for seniors Improve the edu system..
Oh... you say the surplus got looted?.. why that bastage cLInToOn!!!
10Bears
there never was a suplus, it was always "projected" the ASSumed that the economy would keep on trucking at the level it was then, stupid mistake from both parties, but hey it was an election year. You can thank the Republican controled congress for the ballanced budgets though :)
I bet it just burns you leftist up inside that the first ballanced budget our nation had since the 60's happened only after the Republicans won control of the congress. :D :D :D Truth hurts doesn't it 10bears :D
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Please don't lose the meaning of "surplus"...surplus means they taxed us, the taxpayers, too much. When you take too much money, only makes sense to give it back to the source. If YOU want to pay down the deficit, etc., then that's your perogative, lobby for a separate fund with your local state to set up an account to donate your tax rebate or refund.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Please don't lose the meaning of "surplus"...surplus means they taxed us, the taxpayers, too much. When you take too much money, only makes sense to give it back to the source. If YOU want to pay down the deficit, etc., then that's your perogative, lobby for a separate fund with your local state to set up an account to donate your tax rebate or refund.
Stop using logic Rip, it only confuses 10bears and Weazel. Then again maybe it will sink in to some thick headed dems that their party is moraly, phiscaly and intelectualy bancrupt. I doubt it, but a guy has to have dreams right? :)
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Originally posted by Krusher:
The Texas Rangers made money when he owned them. Now with Tom Hicks as owner they are losing money ..well thats if you can believe anything major league baseball says about its finances.
So your statement that all his business failed is either a mistake or a lie.. you call it.
Yeh, <snicker> the taxpayers in Texas got a royal humping on that one - try again.
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Originally posted by weazel:
Yeh, <snicker> the taxpayers in Texas got a royal humping on that one - try again.
Hey weazel, here's an idea fer ya, why don't you try for the first time in this thread to back up anything you've said as fact? Oh wait, that would be impossible because you're full of crap.
You poor confused leftist you...
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Udie it wouldn't matter if Moses came down from the hill and handed you stone tablets listing Dubyas diddly ups, lies, and theft.
The blinders your wearing don't allow you to see the truth, check a few of the links DH posted. ;)
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Originally posted by weazel:
Udie it wouldn't matter if Moses came down from the hill and handed you stone tablets listing Dubyas diddly ups, lies, and theft.
The blinders your wearing don't allow you to see the truth, check a few of the links DH posted. ;)
sigh again you come with no proof to back up your weak position. DH's link is a dead link. Talk about me seeing the truth that's funny. My blinders were taken off when I was 22 and saw clinton/gore on MTV, you on the other hand obviously put yours on and kept em there. You are full of toejam and I will no longer debate with you, because you offer nothing but insults and lies then you don't/can't back them up with proof.
loser!
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In Aug of 2000 when investers found out Dick Chenny went to the OPEC meeting in April 1999 as a rep of Helliburton calling for a reduction in oil production.. Some investors might pull out. They could see it was a political play designed to make the Clinton adminstration look like it was their fault for the rising fuel prices.
In Oct 2000 during the debates, a lady asked Gov Bush what he planned to do about education. He started out with his usual stump speech but then veered off into why we need a strong defense. His answer didn't make any sense. The conservetive pundants praised Bush's debate. Investers saw that Bush was going to be crowned President no matter what.. Some pulled out.
On Dec 11th 2000 when the Surpreme court declared that George Bush's constutional rights would be violated if he didn't become President... Quite a few investors pulled out.
During the month of Dec and Jan the President elect continued to down-talk the economy. He must know something the investors didn't.. That he was planning a resesion ecomomy, they pulled anything they had left... out.
At least he will bring honor and dignity back to the White House.. The first day on the job Ari reported Vandalism on Air force 1 and the White House office building.. but offered no evidence no photographs. The GAO investigated the matter and found zero evidence..ZERO.
That means they lied about it.. Not a lie to protect their families it was a lie of slander.. The worse kind.
Posts above talk about how wonderful Bush was at Yale..
Question for ya-- Do you know what a legacy student is?
Next question: Would Geo Bush have been admited to Yale without it?
I'm curious what you guys would've said if Al Gore had skipped out on a year of military service to help in a political campaign.. and.. he got a honorable discharge but... they can't find the paperwork?
10Bears
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OK, Econ 101. A surplus may come from sources OTHER THAN TAXES. Investments for instance or reduced costs brought on by PAYING DOWN THE DEBT. A debt that is still very real. Try not to oversimplify to make your point.
(Daschle) In addition, we know that many companies are deferring investments right now. Providing a robust depreciation bonus gives companies an incentive to make investments now, when the economy needs a boost. So today, I'm also proposing that we allow 40 percent bonus depreciation for the first six months and 20 percent for the next six months.
Sounds like incentive to me.
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"I am mindful not only of preserving executive powers for myself, but for predecessors as well."—GWB Washington, D.C., Jan. 29, 2001
Now Thats Politics :D :D :D
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10Bears, theres no sense in pointing out fact or truth to fools like Udie and the rest of the right wing pig pile on this UBB.
They will just scream "liberal-leftist" if you don't agree Dubya is the best thing since bottled beer, or in Udies case the mind altering substances he uses....poor brain dead fool.
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Attack the issues, Weazel, not the persons..you just lost any debate you have when you attack individuals and not the issue. Loser ;)
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Beer is mind altering too, and a drug.
-SW
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Originally posted by Tah Gut:
OK, Econ 101. A surplus may come from sources OTHER THAN TAXES. Investments for instance or reduced costs brought on by PAYING DOWN THE DEBT. A debt that is still very real. Try not to oversimplify to make your point.
Sounds like incentive to me.
Hehe hardly anybody on either side has proposed paying down the debt, actualy something I wouldn't mind not having a tax reduction for. But you cannot ignore the fact that a tax reduction puts cold hard cash into the hands of investors who like making more money and will invest what money they get to keep.
10bears, lot of stuff there, too bad it's all hogwash. I saw all the text in your post and thought that you were coming to the aid of your poor misguided friend weazel, to help him prove the assinign statements he's made in this thread. But your's are just as assinign as his. Just so you know, when OPEC cuts production it helps oil companies make more money. You don't think Cheney would try and make more money for the company he works for do you?
hehe
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Careful with the name calling Jihad, you CM remember
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Udie, it's asinine. :)
-SW
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
Udie, it's asinine. :)
-SW
hey I'm the product of a liberal education what else do you expect ;) just don't go correcting the rest of my spelling or grammar, you don't have enough time :eek:
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Originally posted by 10Bears:
Careful with the name calling Jihad, you CM remember
edited my post out because upon further review I didn't find any post where Weazel had called anybody names.
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It is amusing that people tend to give more credit to Dick Cheney's ability to influence OPEC as a private citizen than the White House at that time.
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10bears, lot of stuff there, too bad it's all hogwash. I saw all the text in your post and thought that you were coming to the aid of your poor misguided friend weazel, to help him prove the assinign statements he's made in this thread. But your's are just as assinign as his
Ok accepted, but first I have to look up what I am....
The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary. Click on a spelling suggestion below or try again using the Dictionary search box to the right.
Suggestions for assinign:
1. Ossining
2. asinine
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Hmm maybe I'm a Assiniboine?
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ahhh come on 10bears don't make fun of my non-ability to spell correctly. Your post is still hogwash btw :) To be hyper-technical I called your post asinine not you. And I don't see a dictionary button...
wow I just realised you admitted your post was asinine. Good :)
[ 01-08-2002: Message edited by: Udie ]
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JFK would be a conservative Republican nowadays.The first thing he did was cut taxes and jumpstart the economy.
This SOB tryed to kill the unions.
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(Udie) Hehe hardly anybody on either side has proposed paying down the debt, actualy something I wouldn't mind not having a tax reduction for
Glad to see you have come over to the dark side Udie. If you were to read Daschle's remarks you would see that you and he agree. Scary huh?
(Daschle) We'd also paid down more than $400 billion of the trillions of dollars in debt the federal government had run up during the 1980s and early 90s, and were on a path to pay off the full debt. For the first time in years, the challenge of the Baby Boomers retirement, while still formidable, no longer seemed insurmountable...<snip>..Then, the inevitable happened: our economy started to cool. By last March, we now know, the expansion was officially over and a recession had begun..<snip>.. Unfortunately, last spring, Republicans chose exactly the wrong solution. They made a huge tax cut their number one priority -- ahead of everything else -- and discarded the framework of fiscal responsibility.
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Originally posted by Tah Gut:
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I am in no way on his side of the political isle. I'm sure there are things that we agree about socialy and fiscaly. The fact remains that he's a lying POS playing political games when we are at war. He gets some of the credit for our budgets over the past 8 years, but only because the republicans were there to set the agenda, PERIOD. We'd have no freakin debt if the damned democrats hadn't had control of the congress for 30+ years. WOW imagine that Dems take control of congress for 30+ years the whole time running unballanced bloated socialistic budgets. Fast forward 30 yrs Republicans take back congress, first thing they do is ballance the budget. Sure the economy helped, but the ballanced budget helped the economy too. Facts are facts man.
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Are there actually people in the US who think tax cuts are bad for the economy? Man our education system is a failure. :(
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LOL, NO!
Its just the definitions that are at odds here.
Lets see - a 1.7 trillion dollar tax cut is a cut.
OTOH - a 1.3 trillion dollar tax cut is a tax hike???????
Go figure.....sheesh.
And BTW Udie........I bet having 1 or 2 beers and arguing this crap would be a real hoot. At least you have a passion. Many losers do not and that is even sadder than your misguided politics. ;)
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Originally posted by Tah Gut:
LOL, NO!
Its just the definitions that are at odds here.
Lets see - a 1.7 trillion dollar tax cut is a cut.
OTOH - a 1.3 trillion dollar tax cut is a tax hike???????
Go figure.....sheesh.
no no no no no!!!! :D
Repealing a tax cut already given (even though it hasn't taken effect yet) IS a tax increase....
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I have this sinking feeling that your mind is made up!? :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Tah Gut:
I have this sinking feeling that your mind is made up!? :rolleyes:
bout freakin time! :D
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Attack the issues, Weazel, not the persons..you just lost any debate you have when you attack individuals and not the issue. Loser ;)
Your post should be aimed at udie and yourself since your attacking the person, not the issue.
Any dumb bellybutton who uses drugs loses all credibility and makes them a fool in my opinion.
The only loser I see is anyone who distorts reality by habitual drug use, it doesn't mean I don't like them or can't be friends with them...just that their sense of reality can't be trusted.
I don't drink either SW. ;)
Those links open fine for me Udie, are you using a "conservative" browser? <the kind with blinders>
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Originally posted by weazel:
Your post should be aimed at udie and yourself since your attacking the person, not the issue.
Any dumb bellybutton who uses drugs loses all credibility and makes them a fool in my opinion.
The only loser I see is anyone who distorts reality by habitual drug use, it doesn't mean I don't like them or can't be friends with them...just that their sense of reality can't be trusted.
I don't drink either SW. ;)
Those links open fine for me Udie, are you using a "conservative" browser? <the kind with blinders>
About drug use, there are plenty out there who have and do use. Your heros clinton and gore both admitted to smoking pot, Gore even admitted to inhaling (wow such charactor). Sorry bud your the one distorting reality, and if your not on drugs that means your doing it on your own, that's a sign of insanity to me or some other brain problem. maybe you should go see a doctor.
Got a firewall at work so maybe that's why I can't get to that link. Though I can get to the root site....
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My bad. That link 404'd--but if you are interested in the material, the google search I used was "George W. Bush Texas Rangers"--the entry was third from the top. Sorry.
dh
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Originally posted by Horn:
My bad. That link 404'd--but if you are interested in the material, the google search I used was "George W. Bush Texas Rangers"--the entry was third from the top. Sorry.
dh
Thanks for the info I'll try and check it out at home. But once I hit that fatty I doubt I care anymore ;)
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LOL, typical Republican dope smoker. :D :D :D :D :D
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Originally posted by weazel:
Yeh, <snicker> the taxpayers in Texas got a royal humping on that one - try again.
I live in Dallas the Taxpayers got exactly what they asked for.. the stadium was voted on by the people of Arlington.
And none of that has a damn thing to do with the fact that the Rangers made money under Bush.
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"During the month of Dec and Jan the President elect continued to down-talk the economy. He must know something the investors didn't.. That he was planning a resesion ecomomy, they pulled anything they had left... out."
So if you believe a person can "talk down" the econnomy, do you also believe it can be talked up?
I guess if we want to believe that then all we have to do is start talking about how great it is and we will be rolling in the dough.
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Originally posted by Tah Gut:
Lets see - a 1.7 trillion dollar tax cut is a cut.
OTOH - a 1.3 trillion dollar tax cut is a tax hike???????
when b follows a, yes it is an increase of .4 trillion
those mean ole corporations deserve it though, don't they? I mean they just produce the jobs that ALLOW those of us who'd rather work than whine a way of providing for our families a means of doing so.
oops I forgot the PC correct, dirty word "RICH"...
those mean RICH ole corporations deserve it ...
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In all fairness to my democratic friends, heres a CNN flashback regarding terrorism:
http://www.cnn.com/US/9607/30/clinton.terrorism/ (http://www.cnn.com/US/9607/30/clinton.terrorism/)
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when b follows a, yes it is an increase of .4 trillion
those mean ole corporations deserve it though, don't they? I mean they just produce the jobs that ALLOW those of us who'd rather work than whine a way of providing for our families a means of doing so.
oops I forgot the PC correct, dirty word "RICH"...
those mean RICH ole corporations deserve it ...
So let me get this straight........If I cut your salary 50% and everyone elses 75%....You would be happy wih your wage increase?
Everyone who has ever been unemployed is a whiner? We pay plenty in unemployment insurance to provide for a backstop against the possibility that we may become unemployed. Daschle is not suggesting a welfare state. He is suggesting that those people on unemployment be given a little more assistance during difficult times. This isn't welfare it is a way to increase demand. Increasing demand will help increase the need for supply. This will increase the number of jobs available. And reduce the need for unemployment benefits.
Its exactly the same logic as cutting taxes to increase spending.
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Originally posted by Tah Gut:
So let me get this straight........If I cut your salary 50% and everyone elses 75%....You would be happy wih your wage increase?
Everyone who has ever been unemployed is a whiner? We pay plenty in unemployment insurance to provide for a backstop against the possibility that we may become unemployed. Daschle is not suggesting a welfare state. He is suggesting that those people on unemployment be given a little more assistance during difficult times. This isn't welfare it is a way to increase demand. Increasing demand will help increase the need for supply. This will increase the number of jobs available. And reduce the need for unemployment benefits.
Its exactly the same logic as cutting taxes to increase spending.
Tah Gut,
I don't think that's a good comparison. It's apples and oranges. Any time my money goes to the government that's a tax period. If they lower my taxes in one bill and then stop that from happening in another that will always be a tax increase from a lower rate. I do think your right though that most people won't see it that way, after all we had clinton for 8 years....
AND :D
No what dashle is doing is refusing to comprimise The house comprimised on the bill and passed it. It would have been nice to at least see if there were enough votes for it to pass the Senate, but dashle wouldn't schedule the vote. He decided instead to use the issue for the election year, that's why I think he's a P.O.S. . In a normal year that kind of toejam is tolerable, but we're in a freakin war right now. Not a good time to start partisan fights, IMNSHO.
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On a side note....here's what's news here in Maine...
Basically, our Independent Governor Angus King (Sounds like the named of a fine steak conglamorate, eh?) wants every 7th grader in Maine to have a Laptop. He's carved aside a big block of tax money to do this.
Well, a few points...
1) The computers he wants all the kids to have are Macs. According to the surveys I've read, 90% of the computing world is using Windows based systems. So, for a few million, he wants to train our kids to use/know an operating system only 10% of the market uses. Perhaps we should teach latin and russian instead of French and Spanish, too?
2) Our schools are in bad shape. Many schools are over 40 years old and need some work done on them to make it, or build new ones. Think any of this money can be diverted in this direction? Nope. Our governor has a vision. Perhaps to be Apple's biggest customer...
This guy is so liberal, he had to change from Democrat to Independent to get on board.
So, when you guys think you've had it with each other here and that common sense is rare...try living here, and watching a state government throw money out the window.
In a Utopian/Perfect society, sure, all our kids could walk around with laptops and be ages ahead of other kids in computer skills. But in the real world, that laptop wont do a lot if the building they are sitting in as falling apart, inefficent to heat, and its operating system caters to a minority of the computing population.
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You guys are making it harder and harder for me to accept Gov.t next year... :D
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after how many years of republicans in almost utter control of our government will all governmental problems cease being the fault of the democratic party generaly and clinton himself personaly?
I just want to know, really.
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Until they've had complete control of the congress for 30 years like the dems did. I find it utterly amazing that nobody from the left will admit to the failures of the democratic controlled congress for that time period. All the defecits all the trillions of dollars of debt came from a congress controlled by Democrats. Now I'm willing to admit that the Republican presidents who signed the unballanced budgets were wrong for doing so, but I'm sure that the democrats left them very little choice in the matter. Bush 41 got fired for breaking his promise of no new taxes. Anybody remember the government shut down that almost happened that year? Clinton is still loved after all the toejam he pulled, toejam that we'll be paying for for years to come I fear.
In my lifetime the only politicians I've ever seen keep a promise was the '94 Republican congress (contract with America) and George W. Bush. I've seen the likes of Ted Kenedy, Tom school lunch ya Dashle and Bill Clinton from the Democrat party, you tell me who am I supposed to trust? Liar falandering drunks or people that have actualy done what they said they were going to do?
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