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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Rocket on September 11, 2001, 08:50:00 AM
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I think the things that have happened today in the US are terrible. My heart goes out to the families of all involved today.
BUT,
The media needs to leave it the F()* alone. Let us know from time to time anything new MAYBE, but stop playin in to the hands of Terrorist. Stop giving them coverage and showing over and over their dirty work.
I think they should NEVER EVER tell who actually is responsible. Let the FBI and whoever else investigate this and then handle it with the military and just tell the country that it has been taken care of. Nothing more.
The more you feed terrorist the more terrorism works.
The media has to be one of the biggest terrorism groups in the world.
Rocket
:mad:
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Rocket, the media is something that is neccessary in a free nation. And they report this kind of actions, is unavoidable.
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But, Ram, Rocket has a point.
If this draws attention, it gives the terrorists exactly what they want- a reaction. The U.S. is now forced to retaliate because of the very public attack on one of the symbols of commerce and military power. I suspect the day isn't over yet, for that matter.
Americans will cry for blood, and they will want it immediately. You're watching history right now- this was the single largest terrorist attack on U.S. soil. There will be a response, forced largely because of the public nature of the attacks.
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I know it Kieren, and that is also my point...that a free Media guarantees our freedom while giving a boost to the terrorism actions. Is unavoidable if we want to live in a free nation to have a free press and TV, but that freedom gives the TV the power to give a wide expansion to this kind of actions.
I do know that this is history, I was seeing the TV in direct when the 2nd plane crashed into the WTC. I am sincerely horrified by all this, I think that all of us are.
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and about the answer-blast them away. They earned an one-way ticket to hell.
I just hope that there are no nukes involved. Other than that, kick those sons of a squeakes out of this planet.
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Yes the media can be good but it can also go to far to show a story that may make them more ratings = more money. Yes report what has happened. Yes get the story out. No don't over do it and show every little thing and feed the terrorist what they want.
My wife just said boy this is scary. The terrorist just accomplished what they set out to do. If she had just heard that bits and pieces and not live 2 hr coverage she wouldn't have thought that at all, just that these are horrible tragedies.
The media just has no discretion when they make their reports. The idea of scaring the toejam outta millions of people just isn't something they consider while making a story.
Rocket
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Rocket, I dont know how is this thing being reported in USA. Here in spain we have CNN images in the spanish informatives. Here there is no spectacle, here are news.
Maybe there is different. I dont know. If they are making a circus out of this thing, I agree with you 100%.
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rocket
its REAL!
they have to report it, the terrorist know what they did, we do not.
it needs to be shown so we know what animals we are dealing with...
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oh my god!!! there goes teh second one!!! -_- i..... :( i cannot beleave this. the twin buildings are no more. thing about the people that where still in there.
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It gets my goat that reporters are fighting over who's story it is in the background .. who is going to get credit for it.
roadkill :(
Rocket
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And now emergency workers are being stopped in the middle of work because the reporters just have to have more of the story. Give me a diddlyin break
Rocket
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cc, i heard what rockets talking about.
you can hear nbc reporters in the backgound audio while the second tower fell.
something to the effect of:
'what do you mean your storie you aren't even hear it's my story not yours'
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whoever those two reporters were, they just diddlyed their careers. You can be sure the other media news will pick up on it and shred em..like the vultures they are.
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Now in a effort to get the best story out it has been found out no car bombing at the state dept.
Now if you really wanted to report nothing but the best and most accurate news you wait until you can confirm everything right now. False stories are going to out number the real thing. But our media just grabs what ever sounds like a story and reports it.
<sigh>
Rocket
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My point is, the last thing in the world we need to do now is go off half-cocked and bomb someone. Playing and replaying this over and over will just increase the likelihood of us making a move we aren't prepared to make.
Better to take a bit of time to sort it out first. There will be plenty of time to bomb them to hell later.
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I agree Kieran. The media, the people, and govt. needs to take the time to find out what really went on, who really did it and then take care of the problem in the nessassary method.
Rocket
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Very true, Kieren <S>
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what else should they do? Go back to your regularly scheduled soap opera??? jesus
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All flights over the US have been ordered to land. Another plane has crashed near Pittsburg. :(
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Sancho, I understand the outrage, I really do. I am an American and I want retribution, too. But I am also old enough to have experienced mob mentality.
Showing those building collapsing over and over will indelibly burn into our psyche. Maybe that isn't so bad, except now people ask "what are we doing about it?"
And what do the terrorists want out of such an attack? Attention. Free publicity. Retaliation. Removing the media, or at least restricting it somewhat, while not popular, might be a bit more prudent at the moment. It might remove one incentive for terrorists to perform such an act.
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That is my point Kieran. thank you for putting it better.
The media right now is reporting ANYTHING they can correct or not.
They don't need to run constant coverage. Give us ACCURATE reports every hour.
Am I pissed at what happened? diddly YES!
And when ALL the fact are found out it should be delt with swiftly and with much retribution.
but the media needs to back the diddly off with the false stories.. the getting people in the way of emergency workers trying to do their jobs,,(I know if someone came up to me at that point in time they wouldn't be standing long, anyone that gets in my way when I am trying to save a life gets the same treatment). The media needs to report what happens but report the truth and don't blow it up so much that the terriorist get exactly what they want.. The attention.
Rocket
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This is so sad...
I wouldn't be surprised if Osama Bin Laden is behind this attack...
I'm not a religious but I'll prey for those people :(
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turn off the TV and radio if media mentality bothers you that much. plain and simple. I agree with the mentality of the media, however, it's better than not knowing at all.
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the news i heard (mostly watching nbc)
said that three weeks ago Bin Laden had threatened major attacks in us for aprox. this time
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the media stinks on most things as a whole - but:
it's their job to report the news. it's their job to report it first. they are only trying to do their job. you are angry at the terrorists and venting on the media - understandable.
I'm surprised the media is allowed to get as close to the action as they are. I would be for more of a military state of things until the smoke clears...
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Eagler I vent on the media everytime they get in the way, and report anything if they think it will get ratings true or not.
I have almost run over a cameraman when he stood infront of my fire truck as I pulled on scene and blew my siren at him. He just turned around and looked at me like what the diddly is my problem. He thought different when the cop escorted him out. As a police officer I have seen media personnel make things worse on a scene trying to get the scoop. In my primary job I have had to tell media to get the diddly outta my way while I try to save someone life. I think the drive for ratings is crazy, but the said thing is it is the bloodlust of the everyday person that drives it.
There are things that happen that we don't need to know just everything about as much as we would like to know. If it was up to the media I am sure they would tell us exactly where AirForce 1 is so that someone could attack it and make even bigger news.
Do I watch? I check in from time to time to see if anything new is known. And to laugh at times at the extremes the media will go and who they will interview just to get a leg up on the other networks. The media can be good and is there for a reason. The just don't know when to back off.
Rocket
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Originally posted by Rocket:
Eagler I vent on the media everytime they get in the way, and report anything if they think it will get ratings true or not.
I have almost run over a cameraman when he stood infront of my fire truck as I pulled on scene and blew my siren at him. He just turned around and looked at me like what the diddly is my problem. He thought different when the cop escorted him out. As a police officer I have seen media personnel make things worse on a scene trying to get the scoop. In my primary job I have had to tell media to get the diddly outta my way while I try to save someone life. I think the drive for ratings is crazy, but the said thing is it is the bloodlust of the everyday person that drives it.
There are things that happen that we don't need to know just everything about as much as we would like to know. If it was up to the media I am sure they would tell us exactly where AirForce 1 is so that someone could attack it and make even bigger news.
Do I watch? I check in from time to time to see if anything new is known. And to laugh at times at the extremes the media will go and who they will interview just to get a leg up on the other networks. The media can be good and is there for a reason. The just don't know when to back off.
Rocket
I agree sir they don't know when to back off..
But for the average idiot out there this crap has to be droned into their head or esle when we do retaliate, we will be the bad guy - though I'm sure they will be some (in the very same media) who paint the US & Bush as evil when we do hit back.
I'd rather see the news drone on then go back to "regular" programming of Judge Judy and the Jerry Springer show...
sickening, the entire freakin thing......
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Yep here goes Rather inciting a frenzy... "There is a WAR blah blah blah blah blah."
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Rocket:in most cases I agree with you about the media,but in something like this I will have the news on constantly to stay as up to date as I can.Just wade through the BS they throw out and you can get to the hard news.
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The media has gotten some good news out today.
I watched a recap where the showed the timeline of events. That was great. I think that is the best reporting I have seen all morning. It was only fact, no speculation just facts.
Any retribution given out for this should be done with a cool calm collected head. Not something in rage. If the media has anything to do with it we would declare war on any known terrorist group today. They are able to, with they way they present the new, incite any reaction they want. And you are right Eagler they will put down our nation when we do finally figure out who did this and retaliate in a nessassary form. And they will rally the people into being pissed off about it.
Sometimes I think Springer is better. It is kinda like professional wrestling. You know it is fake therefore you know what to expect. With professional sports you never really know if it was rigged or real,, same with the media most times.
S!
Rocket
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Agree Rocket, terrorists are just liek bullies in school, the more atention they get the happier they get, and the more people will follow them and dare follow them because they have seen what they can do.
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Rocket, Keiran, I am a pretty intelligent man, I also am predisposed to thinking through situations and handling them appropriately, BUT....
If someone breaks into my house, I am going to redecorate my walls with thier brains. This is solely an emotional reaction to my home being violated.
These nutjobs have violated OUR home, we need to use the emotions we are feeling about this to retaliate. We also need to be damn sure we get the right ones in the process. But we do not need to calmly think this through. If we do, we will get back into the apathetic mode that got us here in the first place.
There is a time for calm clear thought, there is also a time for swift, harsh actions. I beleive this is the time for the latter.
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Skuzzy if I find someone in my house they will be killed. No questions asked.
If someone breaks into my house and gets out.. then who do I kill?
Let's not fly off the handle just start shooting.. let's find out who did it then kill the diddlyers :D
S!
Rocket
(I have gun, will use it when nessassary)
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Someone breaks into your house at night, the room is dark, you fire away, turn lights on, you've hit the wrong person.
Not saying we shouldn't retaliate, saying we should know for sure who deserves it. The media is to some extent going to make that difficult to do.
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I am very clear on this. Yes, find out who did it, and be damn sure we know for sure, then play our emotions to the hilt and remove the amazinhunks from this planet in one massive blow.
They invaded my house, our house and by God they will pay for it.
Oh, and if you enter my house and do not know where the light switch is, and the security code you are dead meat.
[ 09-11-2001: Message edited by: Skuzzy ]
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The media's ability to report on this and any other major happening is te mark of a free society. You cannot clamp down on them simply because they make mistakes. They will sort themselves out as time goes on.
Now let me say that I also am incenced by false reporting. That is not to say the media people who place too great an importance on "getting a story" like interferring with EM personell do not deserve to get arrested. I have had to "escort" news maggots away from a scene more than once. Not all newsies are maggots however.
This story needs to be broadcast and as fast as possible. Yes it tells the amazinhunks responsible for planing that they were successful. So does a sudden news blackout. The blackout would say even more, that we were totally paralyzed by the action taken against our country.
We cannot formulate a proper response until all available information is collected and analyzed. The population of this nation, and the world needs to be advised of the events that occured and know that our reaction is comming. As hard as it sounds, this will mobilized our country to accept that it is fediddleing time to take terrorism seriously and do something about it. In the mean time everyone must know that they are vulnerable and take steps to look at their surroundings. Hopefully there will be no more acts of this type on the way in the immediate future.
Mav
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I listened to the horror of this unfold from work (It was around 2pm GMT). I have to admit to being completely stunned that anyone could even contemplate such an act. I agree the media coverage bordered on the theatrical at times and getting one up on their media rivals seemed more important to some than the loss of life. :mad: The general condemnation by foreign leaders throughout the world, Europe, Far East & Middle East etc makes me wonder if we will ever know who was responsible. If the people are however identified any response must be measured to target those responsible. Total anhialation is in my opinion perfectly acceptable but indiscriminate wiping out of entire nations because of association is not the way to go. The Gun laws in the UK are a bit different to the US so I have a sword (I used to fence) It has the "Blunt bit" on the end removed and before anyone asks... "If anyone tried to seriously harm my family, property or myself yes I would".
My sincere sympathy goes out to all affected by this either through loss & through physical or mental trauma. :(
snafu