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Title: How can this be?
Post by: lazs2 on July 31, 2006, 09:09:26 AM: http://today.reuters.com/news/newsa...&src=rss&rpc=22

A wave of gangland shootings in bermuda? Where could they be getting guns? I heard guns were illegal there.

"Authorities have linked the island's gang problem to its burgeoning drug trade, which police say is worth about $200 million a year.

Narcotics, with the bulk of consumption blamed on locals rather than tourists, have long been an easy way to make cash in pricey Bermuda, where the average house costs nearly $1.2 million and the average rent is more than $1,400 a month.

Prices for smuggled handguns, which often arrive with illicit drug shipments, have soared to $3,000, with owners wanting protection amid heightened violence over drug turf."

lazs
Title: How can this be?
Post by: Swoop on July 31, 2006, 09:23:09 AM: How can this be?

You're surprised that drug dealers have guns?

ooookay lazs mate...... :huh

Now is this really just a cheap point over Curv or are you really surprised to discover that drug dealers can smuggle guns as well as drugs?

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Title: How can this be?
Post by: Bronk on July 31, 2006, 09:40:26 AM: With all do respect Swoop Lazs is pointing out the absurdity of some gun laws.
If all guns are made Illegal then only the criminals will have guns.

Bronk
Title: How can this be?
Post by: Ripsnort on July 31, 2006, 09:57:24 AM: Seems like a good reason to implement a law allowing Bermuda residents the right to carry and conceal. If Curval's on, maybe you could comment on this? Seems the gun laws, no matter how strict, are not influencial enough to deter gun crimes....
Title: How can this be?
Post by: Masherbrum on July 31, 2006, 11:26:33 AM: Predictions:

1. Beet1e will be mentioned, and possibly Cricket Paddles (bats).
2. Curval will sound off.
3. This thread will be locked by sundown.
Title: How can this be?
Post by: Sandman on July 31, 2006, 11:31:32 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Masherbrum
Predictions:

1. Beet1e will be mentioned, and possibly Cricket Paddles (bats).
2. Curval will sound off.
3. This thread will be locked by sundown.

:aok
Title: How can this be?
Post by: Bronk on July 31, 2006, 11:40:21 AM: 4. Beet1e new shade will sound off and be skuzzified yet again.

Bronk
Title: How can this be?
Post by: Saintaw on July 31, 2006, 11:42:09 AM: How many gun crimes a year in Bermuda?
2- 7 ? Oh lalaa!!!
Title: How can this be?
Post by: Ripsnort on July 31, 2006, 11:54:10 AM: By legalizing guns, they'd be giving less $$ to the dark overloads of the underworld in Bermuda (Sounds like a potential Television show or hollywood movie! Aye!)

Incidently, the link is here:
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2006-07-31T121140Z_01_N28421235_RTRUKOC_0_US-CRIME-BERMUDA.xml&src=rss&rpc=22
Title: How can this be?
Post by: Swoop on July 31, 2006, 02:04:01 PM: Bronk,

Guns are illegal in Bermuda and yep, that means only the criminals have em......but there's still way less gun crimes per capita that in countries that have legal weapons.

Why? Heck if I know but it's the same in Britain. Gun crimes are so rare in this country when we have one it makes national news.

Rip,

How does Curv legally buying a gun mean he's giving less $$ to the 'dark underworld' when he doesnt give anything to the 'dark underworld' in the first place?

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Title: How can this be?
Post by: Ripsnort on July 31, 2006, 02:10:29 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Swoop

Rip,

How does Curv legally buying a gun mean he's giving less $$ to the 'dark underworld' when he doesnt give anything to the 'dark underworld' in the first place?

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I wasn't speaking of Curv himself, but rather residents that feel the need to protect themselves from obviously rising crime statistics on that island.
Quote:
Prices for smuggled handguns, which often arrive with illicit drug shipments, have soared to $3,000, with owners wanting protection amid heightened violence over drug turf."
Title: How can this be?
Post by: AquaShrimp on July 31, 2006, 02:13:15 PM: Bulletproof vests are still legal arent they?
Title: How can this be?
Post by: lazs2 on July 31, 2006, 02:17:58 PM: how small does an island have to get before you are absolutely sure that the criminals can't get guns after they are banned?

63,000 people and they have had twice as many drive by shootings as some of our cities with twice that population.

lazs
Title: How can this be?
Post by: Masherbrum on July 31, 2006, 02:31:57 PM: Quote
Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Bulletproof vests are still legal arent they?

They are bullet resistant vests and a knife into one is more effective than a bullet.
Title: How can this be?
Post by: Swoop on July 31, 2006, 02:32:31 PM: Quote
Originally posted by lazs2
how small does an island have to get before you are absolutely sure that the criminals can't get guns after they are banned?

I'd estimate you'd need a population no bigger than 1 to be absolutely sure......unless you've got a multiple personalities disorder.

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Originally posted by lazs2

63,000 people and they have had twice as many drive by shootings as some of our cities with twice that population.

Quote from the news story Rip kindly linked:

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Originally posted at Reuters

the fifth shooting in the last 90 days but the island's first murder this year.

Are you absolutely sure of your figures Lazs?

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Title: How can this be?
Post by: lazs2 on July 31, 2006, 02:49:54 PM: 5 shootings in 90 days with one death? yep... pretty sure I can dredge up a few U.S. cities of 120,000 with a better record than that.

Sooo... how could these guys have gotten guns? seems that anyone can get one for three grand..... only about twice what a decent handgun would cost in a backwater like bermuda if they were absolutely legal I would imagine... certainly not enough to stop anyone who was a criminal from getting one.

swoop... I am thinking that, like most U.S. trends... you are like 20 or so years behind us... I think that you will probly have the same kind of violence so far as minorities and guns and that all the gun bans in the world won't do anything but make the law abiding citizens of your island helpless.

lazs
Title: How can this be?
Post by: Swoop on July 31, 2006, 03:07:46 PM: Care to make a small wager on that?

That in 20 years Britains gun crime stats (per capita) will still be less than the US's are today?

This is assuming that Britains gun laws dont radically change in the next 20 years......

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Title: How can this be?
Post by: Furball on July 31, 2006, 04:38:50 PM: Swoop, lazs is so old i doubt he will live that long.

If he was a horse he woulda been shot by now.
Title: How can this be?
Post by: lukster on July 31, 2006, 05:29:12 PM: Here's one that's pretty low:

http://roundrock.areaconnect.com/crime1.htm
Title: How can this be?
Post by: FX1 on July 31, 2006, 05:54:34 PM: You brits are so protected from yourself its not funny. Freedom??? with a 1,000 web cams on every street corner. Our freedom is our rights, take that away and what do you have SOCCER loving knife packing brit.. I have been to to your country and i didnt see one good looking girl. Their is something wrong with that.... BTW your women love guys from Texas..
Title: How can this be?
Post by: FX1 on July 31, 2006, 05:59:00 PM: Time to clean my guns amd wait for someone to push their views on me.
Title: How can this be?
Post by: Trikky on July 31, 2006, 06:52:53 PM: I'm guessing the nervous sweating brought on by not being armed made them feel sorry for you.
Title: How can this be?
Post by: Thrawn on July 31, 2006, 07:30:07 PM: Anyone else picturing gangstas doing the drive by in pink shorts, and on scooters?
Title: How can this be?
Post by: lazs2 on August 01, 2006, 09:06:33 AM: swoop... I would say that your homicide rate will probly be less than ours in 20 years too..... maybe not the white homicide rate but.... overall... sure.

You will never be a diverse and vibrant society. You also never had a gun problem. You had no gun laws until about 1920 and your homicide rate was very low. You banned guns for no real reason except that you allowed your press to panic you like little girls.

Wait till they start on how dangerous and expensive motorcycles are.... Point is... you never vote to restrict the other guys freedom cause it only makes government stronger and... they get bored and come after you next...

There is allways some woman or womanly man waiting in the wings to ban what you like as being a threat to....... "society"

In twenty years you might be telling some bored kids about how you used to ride 200 hp motorcycles before they were banned.

lazs
Title: How can this be?
Post by: Shifty on August 01, 2006, 09:16:16 AM: Today is the 40th anniversary of Charles Whitmans killing rampage at the University of Texas. This man killed his wife, his mother, then climbed to observation deck of the tower on the UT campus and began killing innocent people on campus and downtown Austin using a high powered rifle and scope.

It took a hours before a couple of cops could work their way up the tower and take him out. I don't remember the actual death toll . It would have been higher had his attack not been suppresed by return fire.
The majority of which came from armed citizens of Austin not the police.

Sorry Laz didn't mean to hijack your thread. Armed law abiding citizens are a positive not a negative.

*correction*

Whitman ran amuck for 96 minutes before he was killed. The death toll was 16 including his wife, and mother. Roughly twice that wounded.
Title: How can this be?
Post by: Shuckins on August 01, 2006, 09:39:49 AM: Heya Swoop, this article indicates that reducing violence isn't quite as simple as "disarming" the public:

(From Times Online)

A United Nations report has labeled Scotland as the most violent country in the developed world, with people three times more likely to be assaulted than in America.

England and Wales recorded the second highest number of violent assaults while Northern Ireland recorded the fewest.

The study, based on telephone interviews with victims of crime in 21 countries, found that more than 2,000 Scots were attacked every week, almost ten times the official police figures. They include non-sexual crimes of violence and serious assaults.

Violent crime has doubled in Scotland over the past 20 years, per head of population, and now comparable with cities such as Rio de Janeiro, Johannesburg, and Tbilisi.

The attacks have been fueled by a "booze and blades" culture in the west of Scotland...

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Or this:

The British Crime Survey annually reports an average of 2,500,000 crimes of violence being committed every year.

A larger number of violent break-ins and assaults of home-owners is being reported than ever before.

What with a large Muslim minority largely resentful of British foreign policy and the growth of drug gangs, whatcha bet this problem not only grows in scale but also becomes more deadly in the next decade?

Regards, Shuckins
Title: How can this be?
Post by: Jackal1 on August 01, 2006, 10:42:07 AM: This is how rumors get started.
We have already been informed by a very trustworthy source that there are no guns in Bermuda.
Shame on you guys.
Title: You got a gun?
Post by: mojo7 on August 01, 2006, 10:47:56 AM: 1. What is Top Gun?

A shameless Navy recruiting film with the standard Tom Cruise movie plot. Oh, it's very gay, but that's been said.

2. Why is it that there is a gun shop on almost every corner in this community?

It's part of a CIA genocide conspiracy.

3. Well where would you go if you had the biggest gun in the universe?

No where special.

4. You got a gun?

A b-b gun and a Calico with the 100 round circular magazine...but it's the .22 version, so I'd need all 100 shots to take out one person. It's a gun often used in cheap futuritic movies. I haven't shot the thing in 5 years or more.

5. You're not a postal worker, are you?

No, but my Dad put in nearly 25 years, then the USPS tried to screw him out of retirement.
Title: How can this be?
Post by: Swoop on August 01, 2006, 11:07:04 AM: This has gotta be the most wandering thread ever. It started with guns in Bermuda (shock! Horror!) and now we've got motorcycles being banned and people head butting each other in Scotland. Which I think is the national sport up there.

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Title: How can this be?
Post by: lazs2 on August 01, 2006, 02:47:51 PM: "up there"? in the U.S. any place as close as Scotland would be considered walking distance.

lazs
Title: How can this be?
Post by: Swoop on August 01, 2006, 02:55:15 PM: Since when does "up there" denote somewhere far away?

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