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Don't know if this is urban legend or not, probably not knowing PETA, but here's the story:
http://www.bowsite.org/bowsite/menu/NEWS/GETNEWS.CFM?ID=227 (http://www.bowsite.org/bowsite/menu/NEWS/GETNEWS.CFM?ID=227)
PETA Attempt to mess up hunters - backfires
PETA Fails in Attempt to Thwart Hunters Assoc. Press (Columbus, OH)
If you are familiar with PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals), then you are aware of the fact they will do almost anything to protect animals. This year's efforts to save Ohio's deer from the annual statewide gun season has backfired.
For safety's sake, hunters in Ohio are required by law to display at least 400 square inches of hunter's blaze orange on their person when in the woods. Capitalizing on the fact that hunters do not usually shoot orange, PETA recently bulk purchased blaze orange vests and have been affixing them to live-trapped deer in Youngstown suburbs. According to PETA spokesperson Katie Reese, a total of 405 vests were successfully put into circulation prior to this week, with additional specimens still being caught and vested.
Youngtown entrepreneur Guy Lockey, of Guy's Outdoors has spit in the face of PETA by offering rewards for the returned vests this week. Hunters who can successfully bag a vested deer can pay $5 for random and biggest animal awards. As of Tuesday, 308 of the vests had already been recorded as bagged with most of the hunters registering for Mr. Lockey's drawing.
It's so easy, you can see them coming a mile away" said one first year hunter after checking in his first spike buck.
ODNR officials are worried that the poorly thought out plan by PETA might get somebody shot instead of saving the deer. "Hunters have turned their plan upside down, we're just hoping that nobody gets hurt and are hoping that none of the vested animals get tangled in brush" said an unnamed ODNR official. "PETA has really outdone itself this time." Ohio's statewide gun season is open to shotguns only and is scheduled to close on Saturday.
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Hehehe, and the tree huggers lose a battle.
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What were they thinking? Why not just paint a target on the side of them......
Unfortunately, if it is true I wouldn't be surprised to hear that a few hunters got shot at....
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Originally posted by skernsk:
What were they thinking? Why not just paint a target on the side of them......
Unfortunately, if it is true I wouldn't be surprised to hear that a few hunters got shot at....
Yeah hopefuly nobody will get killed because of PETA. If somebody does, the person who thought up this silly scheme and the people who carried it out should all be held responsible. Hmmm I wonder if this could be looked at as a form of terrorism? ;)
PETA should go to Lakeway Tx to see what happens when people stop hunting deer and the deer population soars. The deer population get's sickly, malnurished and diceased. They also kill people when they jump out in front of their car's.
what a bunch of wacko losers....
thnx for the funny story rip :)
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Originally posted by skernsk:
Unfortunately, if it is true I wouldn't be surprised to hear that a few hunters got shot at....
Doubt it, I was never taught this but know instinctively that you never point a firearm at anything you havent identified as something you intend to shoot at. When I see orange in the woods during hunting season its my que to take a closer look, to identify if this person is alone, which of my group he is, mark his position in realition to mine so I know he is off in this direction for future referance. In this case check if it was a deer as well :)
Most hunters are a safe responsible lot despite what you hear from the media and loony groups like peta. I find it hard to believe that even they could be so stupid. I also find it hard that they could even live trap that number of deer. Or that such a undertaking could be legal. If the article is true "which I doubt seriously" then Im sure charges of some kind could probably be laid.
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It's so easy, you can see them coming a mile away" said one first year hunter after checking in his first spike buck.
LOL
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I wish those PETA dweebs would do that here in Alabama. It would sure make my hunting season easier and more productive.
As it stands here in Alabama they have made it Legal to shoot two deer a day throughout hunting season. The only stipulation is that one needs to be a doe and the other a buck.
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those people have probably never lived in the country.
if they had they'd realize that something or someone had better manage deer populations or they'd be outta control.
growing up in oklahoma every other guy there was a hunter and we still had deer thick everywhere.
all you have to do is sit still in the woods anywhere in america for a while and you'll see one - that makes a strong sugestion about their population size.
there eyes are on the sides of their heads, they are prey animals for cryin out loud, they're a-supposed to be hunted! guess we've forgotten we're hunters.
those instincts seem to only surface when we are trying to beat the guy ahead for a spot in line or on the highway.
oh well time for another hamnburger, at least those come from the store and not some poor dead creature. ;)
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I guess they think it's more ethical to let them starve to death from overpopulation.
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Hmmm I wonder if this could be looked at as a form of terrorism?
I'm pretty sure the FBI has quite a bit of files on PETA. I'm wondering when the hunt for terrorists around the world turns inward.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by Raubvogel:
I guess they think it's more ethical to let them starve to death from overpopulation.
Every wild animal dies either slow agonising death of desease or starvation or terrified painfull death of being eaten alive by predators/parasites - in some cases quite prolonged.
Hunting considerably decreases the number of total deaths for the same average population and enourmoulsy decreases amount of suffering no matter how you measure it.
But that is beside the point. Most PETA fanatics are concerned with preventing their fellow-people from activity they find distastefull rather then caring (or even learning) about the conditions of the animals.
Have you heard the ridiculous campaing against people who sell horses to Europe (where they are a common food), or koreans/vietnamese/chinese eating dogs in their own countries (where those are the traditional dishes)?
While there is no problem for americans to eat cattle and pigs - who are smarted then most dogs, BTW.
Some people just have inherent desire/tendency to enforce their ways of life on others. Since there are no credible nazi or communist movement around to join (Taliban is a poor substitute), they join PETA or ELF or one of the other "we know what's best for you" groups.
miko
[ 01-08-2002: Message edited by: miko2d ]
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Just wondering. If you can legally raise or buy a turkey or chicken or pig, slaughter it (humanely) and cook it on a BBQ grill, why couldn't you do the same with a dog or a cat if you wanted to?
And what would the Peta people have to say about it?
[ 01-08-2002: Message edited by: Gunthr ]
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If you can legally raise or buy a turkey or chicken or pig, slaughter it (humanely) and cook it on a BBQ grill, why couldn't you do the same with a dog or a cat if you wanted to?[/i]
And what would the Peta people have to say about it?
Frankly, I don't give a damn what PETA or the government sez about it... I'd shoot yah myself. I know I have no leg to stand on... but thats besides the point. It's just how I feel about dogs and cats. I've never been attached to a pig or a turkey.. well the animal variety anyaway. (flame suit; ON!)
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Mmm boy, I'd love a nice fat Siamese kitten grilled with fava beans and a nice Chianti :D
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Originally posted by Gunthr:
Just wondering. If you can legally raise or buy a turkey or chicken or pig, slaughter it (humanely) and cook it on a BBQ grill, why couldn't you do the same with a dog or a cat if you wanted to?
And what would the Peta people have to say about it?
I am not sure if the people campaigning for those issues are members of PETA. Several organisations were involved but I did not write down their names. I am sure search on the net will let you see everything about those two campaigns.
What they say is that dogs and horses are
noble animals and companions, not livestock.
What it means is that they are ignorant or could not care less about other people's customs and cultures and the discomfort they feel at just knowing that someone may consider eating the animals of the same species as their beloved pets are enough to start them on a crusade (and they have lots of spare time of course).
Hangtime: Frankly, I don't give a damn what PETA or the government sez about it...
You will give a damn once there is a law and police shows up at your door. And they will show up because some animal-rights freak will tell them what you are doing.
Remember the case of a guy from NY who cought a rat with a trap and clumsily beat it to death with a broomstick. He got jailed and dragged through the courts for animal cruelty. While the cruelty undoubtedly took place - he could have killed the rat in a more humane way - he was obviously not prepared for that and scared of the rat and did not think straight. It's not like he was doing that every day.
A short talk to him on the anumal lovers part would have made sure that he was not a cruel men and did not intend to torture the rat and taught him some more humane way to dispose of one. But they did not care about the rats - they wanted someone in jail.
What about Korea? Under the international pressure and threat of boycoytt of the Olympics, they outlawed eating dogs - in order to try to seem more "civilized". Despite numerous population protests they do not repeal that law because of this year football (soccer) championship.
I could say that the whole population is gravely offended by western interference in their tradition and angry at their government, but that would only be partially true. They just ignore the law and eat as many dogs as they used to before.
The only difference is that since eating dogs is illegal, slaughtering and treatment of them is not regulated anymore - like treating of cattle and pigs is. So the dogs get killed in much less humane ways in illegal shops instead of in superwised and regulated facilities.
So the animal nazis solution is actually hurting both dogs and koreans but greatly comforts their sense of accomplishments.
miko
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Originally posted by Gunthr:
Just wondering. If you can legally raise or buy a turkey or chicken or pig, slaughter it (humanely) and cook it on a BBQ grill, why couldn't you do the same with a dog or a cat if you wanted to?
And what would the Peta people have to say about it?
[ 01-08-2002: Message edited by: Gunthr ]
Ive put down more than one dog and too many cats to mention. I dont eat em, well...a dog eats his own toejam and cats just arent big enough to make a big enough meal to be bothered. Plus its hard not go get hair in t he meat.
And I dont give a rats bellybutton what peta would say about it.
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I saw a show on the Discovery Channel (I think) a while back about Japan (I believe, it very well could of been China)...
Anyways, it showed this one shop where they prepare a food that's not "normal" in the US- cats. The way they prepared them was by dropping them into boiling water, still alive, and then after 5 minutes, pulling them out and getting all the hair off them. *IF* the cat is still alive, they then proceed to beat them against whatever they can find.
That made me sick to stomach.
-SW
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Remember the case of a guy from NY who cought a rat with a trap and clumsily beat it to death with a broomstick. He got jailed and dragged through the courts for animal cruelty.
No I don't.. frankly, sounds kinda absurd.. Any links to this case??
Look.. I'm not some tree huggin animal rights weenine that will insist smoe schmoe who whacks a rat in NYC to death do jail time for cruelty. I'm just the guy next door, has a cat, likes dogs.. and generally likes people who likes critters more than those that don't.
Now, being the average guy next door, if I had a neighbor who was killing and cooking cats and dogs, I'd quietly and effeciently do something about it. I'd not get indignant and make a fuss... I'd just handle the situation. I'll leave it to your imagaination WHAT I'd do.. rest assured the problem would 'go away'.
As far as what the Koreans do.. or the hindu's in india.. or the Bubkisis in Bubkisland have for desert.. I don't care. It ain't my culture, on in my back yard.
Like I said.. I ain't got a leg to stand on... and I apologise if my sentiments offend you kitty killers out there.. but them's the facts. Kill my cat, I'll rub yer bellybutton out. Capiesh?
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When does PETA nutcase season start?
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i've seen catmeat for sale on the roadside in china. it's a 'poor people' thing, most people there are against it too and many have cats as pets. theres also a big superstitious problem with uneducated people in china about cats.
on the other side of that - have you ever seen how long a cat takes to kill a bird or mouse?
the world's kind of a cruel free-for-all :)
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Originally posted by Hangtime:
No I don't.. frankly, sounds kinda absurd.. Any links to this case??
Sorry, I watched it on TV, not on the net a couple of years ago - the travesty lasted for a few weeks.
Too late now. Now if you enter "rat" and "broomstick" in a search engine, it just gives you a bazillion Harry Potter links ;)
miko
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Originally posted by rosco-:
I dont eat em, well...a dog eats his own toejam...
Don't rabbits, chickens and pigs?
miko
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Dogs are a delicasy in SE Asia, ie, you go to a butcher and the dog meat has its own 'special' area and is much more expensive than chicken or beef.
What next... PETV? People for the Ethical Treatment of Veges?
These people are another example of how the human race is escaping natural selection. 200 years ago they would died and failed to pass on their 'tard gene pool.
Someone should drop em in the woods and let them try survive off shrubs for a year :)
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I'd love to try some roasted dog sometime. Cats are probably too gamey, but I'd give it a go.
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Originally posted by Vulcan:
What next... PETV? People for the Ethical Treatment of Veges?
Someone should drop em in the woods and let them try survive off shrubs for a year :)
I've heard the screams of the vegetables, watching their skins being peeled
Grated and steamed with no mercy.. how do you think that feels?
Carrot juice constitutes murder.. greenhouses prisons for slaves
It's time to stop all this gardening.. let's call a spade a spade.
-Arrogant Worms, Carrot Juice is Murder.
http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/harrison/375/ (http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/harrison/375/)
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Originally posted by miko2d:
Don't rabbits, chickens and pigs?
miko
Believe it or not pigs dont. Despite thier repuation they are actually quite clean. We used to have pigs and if outside yes they would roll around and wallow in the mud but in the pens they were very clean, they never crapped and lay in it like a cow will. Cows are a lot messier than pigs. They are quite noisy though, nothing quite like 200 sows screaming inside at feeding time.
Chickens may eat thier own faeces, not sure,they are messy, arent to bright and they stink too. Not sure about rabbits but as a rule they tend to be clean, but thier turds look a lot like raisons soo...
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I would like to aslo point out dogs and cats are carnivores, pigs cows and the likes are herbivores. Ive eaten bear, not likeing the meat but at least they are omvivores.
Say no to eating carnivores,
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Ever notice that there is always a Chinese restaurant around the corner, across the street, from the majority of veterinarian offices??
hmmm ...
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For a book report in college, I fasted for three days while reading the book, "Alive" by Piers Paul Reid. It is the story of the Andes soccer team survivors who resorted to cannabalism.
From that perspective, its obvious to me that all creatures are a potential meal. :D
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Pigs are omnivores.
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Ok here's this animal/plant activism taken to the extreme...
My step father buys damaged fruits and vegi's from the produce, because he feels sorry for them because nobody else will buy them.
We went catfishing in a stock tank one time (oooh the challenge) he caught his fish (2 of em) and when it came time for us to skin and clean them he couldn't. He had freakin named them!!!!!!
This from a 50 yr old Texas man :rolleys: Needless to say his 2 new pets got eaten :) I don't mind cleaning fish hehe.
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Originally posted by Animal:
Hehehe, and the tree huggers lose a battle.
I think you'll find most hunters to be "tree huggers."
Hunting (or culling) is a valuable tool in wildlife management. Hunters get the benefit of doing something they enjoy that also benefits the eco-system.
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Originally posted by Tah Gut:
Pigs are omnivores.
Yes they are, my bad. They are however fed herbivorily :) "yes i just invented a new word" domestic pigs are anyway. Though I have seen pigs eat another sows young, and ive seen them lift the tin on the barn and eat the plywood underneath.
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Back to the original post: isn't illegal to live trap an animal, even if you then release it? I would also think putting a vest on an animal would be illegal. Plus how long would it take to trap 400 animals and put a vest on each one? I'm skeptical about this story.
Venison tastes goooood.
ra
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As an avid hunter, I would never shoot in the direction of an orange vest, especially if a deer was wearing it... ;)
Always take time to ID your target. Hunting does not require quick action. It's just not that important to kill a deer, when compared to the alternatives. Besides, if I saw a deer wearing an orange vest, I would probably think it was someone's pet or something, and would not shoot it.
Les
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Well last year here right outside of Birmingham they did something really well thought out. At a state park called Oak Mountain State Park they opened two weeks of gun season in the park.
The reason for it was the previous 4 years they had noticed an increase in the total numbers of deer in the population. The reason was this area of several thousand acres is the only real forest country in the area. It is in an area of increased residential growth and the deer are flocking to it to live and hide.
The only rule was you could take a maximum of two deer in the entire two week period. This year they are supposed to open it up for two weeks at the end for guns and another two weeks for bow hunters. Plus the wildlife biologists have stated that they need to reduce the population by as many as 400 animals over the next three years in order to keep starvation from becoming a problem.
Time to use the old brush popper. Winchester Model 94 .30-30
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