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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hawco on August 01, 2006, 09:19:05 AM
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Hi guys
was giving this subject some thought yesterday, We all had some good debates and different thoughts and so I thought long and hard about Regime change in that region.
the 1 country that stood above all the others was Saudi Arabia, If i could change any country there then it would be that one.
They supplied 15 of the 19 hijackers, They market a brand of Islam known as whabai? that's the brand that's popular in Somalia, Indonensia etc. bin Laden was from Suadi Arabia, They have no free and fair elections, no democracy as we know it.
I seen a report on Indonensia and how all this Saudi money was flowing in and opening up these Wahabi schools, another country that now has a festering sore building up from the inside.
Just my thoughts, but I don't think i'm far of the mark here guys. I don't think they can hide behind our coat tails anymore, they need to be hit hard and told in no uncertain terms that this can't go on.
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I've given the Middle East alot of thought lately. To hell with them. Let em kill each other.
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Gee... let's look at the historical successes of U.S. involvement with middle-east politics.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Gee... let's look at the historical successes of U.S. involvement with middle-east politics.
Personally I'd love for us to develop a petroleum alternative and make the ENTIRE region insignificant.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Personally I'd love for us to develop a petroleum alternative and make the ENTIRE region insignificant.
I 2nd that.
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I'm with Gunslinger on this...mass produce synthetic oils (we already have that technology), build some nuclear power plants, and let the fanatics spread their oil on the sand and eat it.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Personally I'd love for us to develop a petroleum alternative and make the ENTIRE region insignificant.
yep, that would certainly solve a lot of problems right now...
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Originally posted by deSelys
I 2nd that.
I can think of a few American gazillionaires that have no interest whatsoever in a petroleum alternative.
ExxonMobile
Chevron
ConocoPhillips
Halliburton
Shell
Sunoco
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On the other hand, Sandy, they could lead the charge toward American development of alternative fuels if properly motivated.
A large share of the profits and good PR would be strong motivators.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Gee... let's look at the historical successes of U.S. involvement with middle-east politics.
Is that some kind of zen thing, looking at something that doesn't exist?
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Personally I'd love for us to develop a petroleum alternative and make the ENTIRE region insignificant.
Imagine if we had spent the $300B on that.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
On the other hand, Sandy, they could lead the charge toward American development of alternative fuels if properly motivated.
A large share of the profits and good PR would be strong motivators.
They're not interested. They are in the petroleum business and business is exceedingly good.
They're not in the business for public opinion. They're in it for profit.
I don't expect altruism from an oil company.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Is that some kind of zen thing, looking at something that doesn't exist?
Kind of a zen-Neocon thing. ;)
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best develop that fuel alternative before you request a regime change in Saudi
as screwed up as it is, the only thing holding gas at a mere $3 a gallon is our relationship with the Saudi Royal family. You toss those guys out on their ear, guess what kind of cheekbones would take their place...
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I predict that gasoline isn't going to hold at $3. By this time next year, I expect it to be at least $4.
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Nuclear power for every city. Of course we'll have to out shout the greenies. I bet we could be completey self sufficient in the energy department within 5-10 years.
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Originally posted by lukster
Nuclear power for every city. Of course we'll have to out shout the greenies. I bet we could be completey self sufficient in the energy department within 5-10 years.
Do we have enough nuclear fuel on planet earth for that?
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I look forward to the day the middle east runs out of oil and they return to roaming the desert on camel and poking each other with sticks! Oh to long for the 'good ol days"... :D
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Do we have enough nuclear fuel on planet earth for that?
I don't know how much uranium there is but I'll google it. :)
http://www.city-journal.org/html/15_1_nuclear_power.html
That�s the stunning thing about nuclear power: tiny quantities of raw material can do so much. A bundle of enriched-uranium fuel-rods that could fit into a two-bedroom apartment in Hell�s Kitchen would power the city for a year: furnaces, espresso machines, subways, streetlights, stock tickers, Times Square, everything�even our cars and taxis, if we could conveniently plug them into the grid. True, you don�t want to stack fuel rods in midtown Manhattan; you don�t in fact want to stack them casually on top of one another anywhere. But in suitable reactors, situated, say, 50 miles from the city on a few hundred acres of suitably fortified and well-guarded real estate, two rooms� worth of fuel could electrify it all.
Looks like plenty to last a long time. We may have to eventually invade Australia though. They've been gettin' kinda uppity anyhow. ;)
http://www.uic.com.au/nip75.htm
Of course if we really want to exploit those illegal aliens there's always:
(http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/img/podpic1.jpg)
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I'm sick of the Huge Saudi lobby AND the Israeli lobby over here wandering round congress and buying our politicians, this has to stop, Sadui Arabia exports a very viloent form of Islam and it's been exported to all the wrong countries. We as a nation, should show the world that we are owned by nobody, we should clear out the corrupt politicians from all sides and put people in there who will put the country first, not their own personal gain.
Pipe dream I know, but dreams do come true ( sometimes)
You know one of the best things I've heard about our country? Waaaay back in 1908 at the London Olympics, King Edward or George or who ever was there taking the plaudits from the visiting nations, flags were bowed to him on passing and the American one was coming next, A big burly Irishman, ( A New york cop) who was there for wresling I think, ran up to the flag carrier and said " If you lower that flag then you'll be spending the night in hospital" needless to say, the flag stayed upright, a big stink was caused to which the American party replied " This flag lowers to nobody, no Foreign King" and it's never been lowered at any Olympics type thing since.
Be nice to get back to that again guys....
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Personally I'd love for us to develop a petroleum alternative and make the ENTIRE region insignificant.
No more oil sales would mean no more monies to give to groups like Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Hizbollah and Al-Qaeada etc etc. That could only be a good thing ;)
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Present world mine output (around 48,000 t U3O8) is little more than half the level of consumption by utilities (80,000 t). The balance comes from inventories held by utilities, recycled material, and substantial amounts fed into the civil cycle from diluted ex-military material.
From: http://uic.com.au/econ.htm
Currently we use 80,000 ton, and only mine 48,000.
Sounds to me like an unsustainable rate of consumption, just how many lots of 80,000 tons of this stuff is there? At that rate, how many years before uranium is unfeasably expensive to extract from the earth because any that is reasonably easy to mine has allready been taken.
It seems nuclear power is(or would be) only a short term solution for a never ending problem?
Just personaly that 80,000 t p/a seems an awefull lot......thats enough to keep one hell of a lot of light bulbs glowing.
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I aprove of this thread.
:aok
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Personally I'd love for us to develop a petroleum alternative and make the ENTIRE region insignificant.
Run for President. I'll give you the first vote I'll make in my life.
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there will be petroleum alternatives... it is inevitable... I do not want the government to get involved and slow down development tho.
they will but... I can hope... watch em.. they will offer rebates and such for solar electricity and that will of course stop all real development... why develop when any piece of crap you put on the roof gets the same rebate?
If the government want's to get involved.... Put a 1 billion dollar reward on the first 60% efficient solar panel that costs less than $500 a panel.
lazs
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Unfortunately, we need middle east oil to prop up the dollar. If we piss them off too much, they can begin taking other currencies for oil. Demand for the dollar evaporates, nobody will loan the US money anymore, and all of a sudden everybody decides to collect on the trade deficit and budget deficit our spineless retard politicians told us we could sustain forever. Great Depression part II.
We're hooked.
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Originally posted by Tarmac
Unfortunately, we need middle east oil to prop up the dollar. If we piss them off too much, they can begin taking other currencies for oil. Demand for the dollar evaporates, nobody will loan the US money anymore, and all of a sudden everybody decides to collect on the trade deficit and budget deficit our spineless retard politicians told us we could sustain forever. Great Depression part II.
We're hooked.
Not if we develop the new technology and sell it to everyone else> :D
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No doubt... someone will come up with a viable alternative. Exxon will buy it from the inventor/developer for $1 Billion ++ and the alternative will disappear for a few decades.
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I say we take a map and draw a big triangle
Draw a line from Istanbul to the south coast of Yemen
From Yemen to Uzbekistan
And from Uzbekistan back to Istanbul.
Wipe out everything within that triangle and stat over from scratch :aok
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So you can see the area Im talking about
(http://i.infoplease.com/images/mapmiddleeast.gif)
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I blame the worlds problems squarely on Manama. Shame on the Manamaians.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Personally I'd love for us to develop a petroleum alternative and make the ENTIRE region insignificant.
i couldnt possibly agree more.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Personally I'd love for us to develop a petroleum alternative and make the ENTIRE region insignificant.
:aok
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Originally posted by Sandman
No doubt... someone will come up with a viable alternative. Exxon will buy it from the inventor/developer for $1 Billion ++ and the alternative will disappear for a few decades.
I believe that to have already happened quite a few times:noid
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Whatever happened to the electric car that was suppose to be be massed produced at the end of 2000........................
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Originally posted by tikky
Whatever happened to the electric car that was suppose to be be massed produced at the end of 2000........................
IIRC we were supposed to switch everything to metric at some point as well.
what ever happened to that anyway?
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Screw metric!
America! **** YEA!
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Screw metric!
America! **** YEA!
I prefer the Cubit system myself :)
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i would think that you would appreciate the conversion bluej...
3 inches is the equivelant of nearly 8 centimeters.
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Then you can brag to your boyfriends that you had all 8 cm.
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Originally posted by Sandman
No doubt... someone will come up with a viable alternative. Exxon will buy it from the inventor/developer for $1 Billion ++ and the alternative will disappear for a few decades.
:noid :noid :noid
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Originally posted by Sandman
No doubt... someone will come up with a viable alternative. Exxon will buy it from the inventor/developer for $1 Billion ++ and the alternative will disappear for a few decades.
If it was my invention, NO WAY I would sell it to ANY oil company for the very reason you stated.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
:noid :noid :noid
What happened to all those inventions (mostly different types of carburetors) that had cars getting 150 - 200 mpg? I remember reading about some of them in Popular Science.....or maybe it was Popular Mechanics....
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Does anyone else not get fed up with all the vulchers from various countries in the Middle east buying up our politicians and spoon feeding us garbage? Thing is, despots like the Saudis know all about Petro dollars and hold us to ransom (In a nice way of course)
Something doesn't add up in my book, who's protecting these Saudis and why? If we had a regime change there then the oil would still flow, so why the quiet over the Saudi regime?
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Originally posted by Elfie
If it was my invention, NO WAY I would sell it to ANY oil company for the very reason you stated.
I'd sell it in a heartbeat. I am scum. :D
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http://www.h4powersystems.com
This technology is gonna do some real good to the environment AND save on Gas
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Then you can brag to your boyfriends that you had all 8 cm.
lets see. i live with a girl.
you live with a bunch of seamen.
hmmm.
who has a bunch of boyfriends sailor?
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What happened to all those inventions (mostly different types of carburetors) that had cars getting 150 - 200 mpg?
They ran into the laws of thermodynamics.
Whatever happened to the electric car that was suppose to be be massed produced at the end of 2000...
Electric cars are easy. Batteries aren't. The best batteries store not much more than 1% of the energy as the same weight of gasoline. So to replace a 20 gallon fuel tank requires a battery of 5 tons or more.
They simply aren't practical.
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Originally posted by Sandman
I'd sell it in a heartbeat. I am scum. :D
Not saying I wouldnt sell it, just wouldnt sell it to the oil companies. And yes, we already knew you were scum. :D
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Do we have enough nuclear fuel on planet earth for that?
We have one of the worlds largest reserves of coal...you can make oil from coal ya know!
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Originally posted by Elfie
What happened to all those inventions (mostly different types of carburetors) that had cars getting 150 - 200 mpg? I remember reading about some of them in Popular Science.....or maybe it was Popular Mechanics....
You should be aware that any fuel, gasoline, diesel, alcohol, bio-diesel, or even plain vegetable oil, only has a certain amount of BTU content. No matter what you do to it, you can only get the BTU it has in it. There ain't enough BTU content in any fuel mentioned to make any real car, one that can be used as an actual transportation conveyence in a practical manner, get more than about 60MPG. And even then it will be a diesel. And a diesel doesn't have a carburetor.
A carburetor simply cannot change the BTU content of fuel. Even the best carburetor can only hope to atomize fuel perfectly. And atomizing fuel perfectly won't create any more BTU than what is in the fuel to begin with.
Fuel injection can distribute and atomize a fuel better than any carburetor could ever hope to.
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Originally posted by Sandman
I can think of a few American gazillionaires that have no interest whatsoever in a petroleum alternative.
BP Solar (http://www.bp.com/genericsection.do?categoryId=3050485&contentId=3050766)
Chevron Biofuels (http://www.chevron.com/news/press/2006/2006-05-31.asp)