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Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Sandman on August 01, 2006, 05:58:48 PM
http://amconmag.com/2006/2006_07_31/cover.html

It's a good read. The short version is, "Don't count on the Republicans losing all that much ground in the future."
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: FUNKED1 on August 01, 2006, 06:02:31 PM
I think the Democrats are going to have to completely rebuild themselves in a new image.  The Republicans have beat them at their own game.  They've created a package that has an incredibly strong appeal to stupid people.  Big-spending socialism, nationalism, militarism, and a healthy dose of jebus.  Joe Sixpack eats it up.  Not sure what the Democrats can do.  Hopefully it will be an actual alternative instead of the crap they have given us for the last 70 years.  Until then, VFTR.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: weaselsan on August 01, 2006, 06:30:23 PM
What's wrong with the Democrates? Their Morons.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Sandman on August 01, 2006, 06:32:57 PM
You misspelled "they're". ;)
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: FUNKED1 on August 01, 2006, 06:37:48 PM
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Originally posted by weaselsan
What's wrong with the Democrates? Their Morons.


(http://www.mikewaltz.net/stuff/Morans.jpg)
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: LePaul on August 01, 2006, 06:40:14 PM
The Democrats haven't offered any ideas.  Their underlying goal has been to obstruct Bush at any and all steps they can.  Whether or not you like Bush, this level of obstructionism has backfired on them.

I can respect people who disagree with my views.  That's fine.  But if you dont bring any other ideas to the table, yet make it your goal to block and play shenanigans, that gets old.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Toad on August 01, 2006, 06:41:26 PM
Now boys... don't go behaving like cultural elites!


;)
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: weaselsan on August 01, 2006, 06:44:35 PM
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Originally posted by Toad
Now boys... don't go behaving like cultural elites!


;)


I'm a millionaire, I can behave anyway I want.:rolleyes:
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Gunslinger on August 01, 2006, 06:46:36 PM
Sandy I've been telling you for years......being against Bush is not a platform.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Nash on August 01, 2006, 06:55:48 PM
There's plenty wrong with the Democrats, but this guy is getting just a little carried away:

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The problem with that strategy is that, yes, admittedly, the president is a national disgrace, but that also reflects badly on the nation that twice elected him, so a large fraction of patriotic Americans don’t want to hear it.


Whenever I hear that my jaw just drops in amazement. Because no, the "nation" didn't elect him. 51% of the nation elected him. In fact, more of the nation voted to elect Gore the 1st time around.

So if Democrats are in such rough shape, what does that say about the Republicans? Were they in rougher shape than the Democrats only 6 years ago? Were they only 3% not in as rough a shape two years ago?

How about today, when Bush is at 35% approval, and the Democrats can come extremely close to taking over both houses of Congress in Novemeber? Who's in rough shape? We're generally talking a couple of percentage points either way at most.

So it's entirely ridiculous. They've both got serious problems.

.... And I have to say that my biggest problem with the Democrats is their willingness to sit there and just eat this kinda garbage instead of standing up and calling BS on the whole lot of it.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: midnight Target on August 01, 2006, 07:09:22 PM
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Originally posted by weaselsan
What's wrong with the Democrates? Their Morons.


That bares reepeeting!
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Shuckins on August 01, 2006, 07:09:29 PM
What's wrong with the Democrats?  Theirs is the party of dependency, cultural and intellectual elitism, disdain for fly-over-land, drastic drawdowns of military strength, and a new isolationism.

And those are their GOOD points.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Gunslinger on August 01, 2006, 07:18:41 PM
The words:  Bush, Cheny, Rummy, Fascism, Neo-con, war-for-oil, ect tend to lose their luster when you froth at the mouth while saying them.

Again being against Bush is not a platform and that has been the democrats strategy for the last 5 years.  It has yet to work but of course instead of trying to apeal to middle America, wich doesn't like to see protesters burning the flag and putting nazi symbols on the face of Bush, what do the democrats do?  They put Howard Dean in charge of the DNC.  Instead of thinking we are too far left they decide to go MORE left.  Even still.....no platform just more Bush Derangment syndrome.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Nash on August 01, 2006, 07:33:29 PM
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
The words: Bush, Cheny, Rummy, Fascism, Neo-con, war-for-oil, ect tend to lose their luster when you froth at the mouth while saying them.

Again being against Bush is not a platform and that has been the democrats strategy for the last 5 years. It has yet to work but of course instead of trying to apeal to middle America, wich doesn't like to see protesters burning the flag and putting nazi symbols on the face of Bush, what do the democrats do? They put Howard Dean in charge of the DNC. Instead of thinking we are too far left they decide to go MORE left. Even still.....no platform just more Bush Derangment syndrome.


Uhm - The Democrats have a platform - are you kidding me? Do you think that they go around just saying "Bush is bad?"

Dial in the sweeping and patently absurd rhetoric, please.

There's nothing in anything that you just said that you can actually back up with fact other than the appointment of Dean to the DNC.

And this thread is (and was bound to) turn into some blank canvass where all the dutiful Republicans can impress eachother with their ability to recall that which has been pounded into their heads on the drive home for the last ten years.

Kudos. Mighty impressive.

But I'd rather stick to some facts - and if the grip is even tenuous it'd still be better than this.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: rpm on August 01, 2006, 07:47:11 PM
Guns, you need to check out the Sunday morning "Talking Heads". FTN, MTP, TW and McLachlin. There is more than you think being discussed.

Oh, The Daily Show and Colbert Report will work as a substitute.;)
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Dago on August 01, 2006, 09:30:12 PM
4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Nash on August 01, 2006, 09:55:52 PM
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Originally posted by Dago
4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.


If by that you mean Canadian politics, then you're going to have to get waaaaay more specific. Because ya see, we seem to be just a touch more discerning when it comes to meaningless brain-dead rhetoric... as opposed to guys like you that have read the book, bought the film rights, seen the movie, the sequel and jacked the DVD.

Don't tell me to get my house in order. You know scant about my house - and you aren't kidding anyone besides your gang of 22 percenters.

And don't bother telling me that I don't understand your politics - because I could give you a clinic on it that would embarrass you. Don't believe me?

Try me. Topic is all yours.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: ASTAC on August 01, 2006, 09:58:38 PM
I just wonder why you care so much..You Canuks do your own thing..what we do has little effect on you you guys.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Nash on August 01, 2006, 10:02:11 PM
What an original question. I haven't seen anything like that in the 8 years I've been here. I'm like, soooooo eager to answer that one for the billionth time.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Sandman on August 01, 2006, 10:02:35 PM
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Originally posted by ASTAC
I just wonder why you care so much..You Canuks do your own thing..what we do has little effect on you you guys.


If we followed this logic, we'd have no reason to talk about Israel and the Hezbollah.

er... wait a second... you're on to something...
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Eagler on August 01, 2006, 10:09:45 PM
this thread would be much shorter if it'd been titled "What's right with the democrats?"
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: E25280 on August 01, 2006, 10:19:12 PM
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Originally posted by Nash
Whenever I hear that my jaw just drops in amazement. Because no, the "nation" didn't elect him. 51% of the nation elected him. In fact, more of the nation voted to elect Gore the 1st time around.
Check your facts, Nash.  You are either misinformed or spreading misinformation.  Gore did not get a majority of the vote.  Neither did Clinton - either time.  The last Democrat to be elected with a true majority of the vote was Carter (and wasn't THAT a stellar success. :rolleyes: ).  Reagan and the first Bush won with majorities of the popular vote.  Then we had three consecutive elections where the winner did not get a majority (first two due to Perot, third one due to Nader).  Then in 2004, Bush DID get a majority of the popular vote.  Due to the high turnout (by US standards, anyway), Bush got more total votes than Gore did in 2000 by a few million.  If I am not mistaken, Kerry got more votes than Gore did, too -- and he lost.

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Originally posted by Nash
.... And I have to say that my biggest problem with the Democrats is their willingness to sit there and just eat this kinda garbage instead of standing up and calling BS on the whole lot of it.
To do this, you and they would have to quit spreading your own BS first.  I'm sure that isn't going to happen. :rolleyes:
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Nash on August 01, 2006, 10:21:28 PM
"In fact, more of the nation voted to elect Gore the 1st time around." - Nash

It's too bad that you predicated your entire post on this being false.

It's true.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: E25280 on August 01, 2006, 10:27:05 PM
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Originally posted by Nash
"In fact, more of the nation voted to elect Gore the 1st time around." - Nash

It's too bad that you predicated your entire post on this being false.

It's true.
By your original wording, I took you to mean either Gore got 51% (majority) the first time (which he did not), or that Gore got more votes in 2000 than Bush got in 2004 (also false).

By your edited post, I see you may have not intended it as such.

To the extent I misinterpreted, I apologize.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Nash on August 01, 2006, 10:30:15 PM
Huh?

My edit was to add in one thing at the end. I didn't edit the numbers nor did I edit anything that would change the context of what I wrote whatsover.

What a lame assertion.

Spare me the apology..... completely disingenous - a lie and a back pedal.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: E25280 on August 01, 2006, 10:32:43 PM
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Originally posted by Nash
Huh?

My edit was to add in one thing at the end. I didn't edit the numbers nor did I edit anything that would change the context of what I wrote whatsover.

What a lame assertion.

Spare me the apology..... completely disingenous - a lie and a back pedal.
no, spare me.:rolleyes:
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Nash on August 01, 2006, 10:35:52 PM
Consider yourself spared.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: soda72 on August 01, 2006, 10:46:34 PM
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
I think the Democrats are going to have to completely rebuild themselves in a new image.  .


yep...

What is the first thing that comes to mind when you think about the Democrat party?

I think of Jimmy Carter....  that alone is motivation enough to vote Republican.  I was nine when he left office, even at that age I knew he was a terrible president, and both my mother and father are(and still is) die hard Democrats..
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Sandman on August 01, 2006, 10:47:04 PM
Are we arguing the difference between plurality and majority?
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: DiabloTX on August 01, 2006, 10:49:08 PM
No, we are watching the BBS equivalent to a sandbox fight in the 2nd grade.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Shuckins on August 01, 2006, 10:54:28 PM
The more radical Democrats of the far left, as opposed to the more moderate centrists, have been rabidly oppositional to Bush since the election of 2000, when he refused to roll over and play dead during the great hanging-chad multiple recount controversy.

In large part, the defeats of Gore and Kerry were largely the result of the failure of Democratic leaders to nominate a true centrist who could appeal to mainstream America.  Whether fair or not, the perception of many average Americans was that Gore and Kerry were merely cleaned up and glossed over 60s radicals.  That fact is reflected in the election day maps of blue and red states, which reveal in stark detail the Democratic Party's failure to make any inroads in the bedrock conservative areas of the country.

The hatred of Bush by the left wing of the Democratic Party is so bitter and vitriolic there is scant hope that there could ever be any reconciliation between them and the President.  That hatred is reflected in the rhetoric emanating from the left:  Bush doesn't make mistakes...he lies, cheats, manipulates, and attempts to subvert the constitution.

Unless the Democrats can abandon that attitude, and squarely face their own shortcomings and the real reasons for continued Republican control of Congress, then they will continue to lose elections.  Control of Congress is decided by elections at the state and local levels, where familiarity and satisfaction with a candidate are most often the deciding factors in who the citizenry elect.

This is not a Presidential election year, so large portions of the electorate may not see the November election as a referendum on Bush.   The Democrats may close the gap, but I cannot see them gaining control of both houses of Congdress.  At best, they may only achieve parity of numbers...and the national legislature will become even more contentious than it already is.

Nominating Hillary Clinton in 2008 would only demonstrate that Democratic leaders refuse to learn from their mistakes.  Current polls notwithstanding, when push comes to shove, many heartland voters will not trust her enough to vote for her.

So, Democrats need to plan their next steps very carefully...or they could very well shoot themselves in the foot again.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Nash on August 01, 2006, 10:55:53 PM
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Originally posted by soda72
yep...

What is the first thing that comes to mind when you think about the Democrat party?

I think of Jimmy Carter....  that alone is motivation enough to vote Republican.  I was nine when he left office, even at that age I knew he was a terrible president, and both my mother and father are(and still is) die hard Democrats..


Fascinating, if not unbelievable.

You were 5 when Carter entered office and 9 when he left.

And based upon your observations during that time, "that alone is motivation enough to vote Republican?"

That's something else, man. Why am I not buying it?
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: soda72 on August 01, 2006, 11:10:53 PM
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based upon your observations during


yep...

based on a simple(child) observation.  I remember Iran holding Americans hostages and him being powerless to do anything about it..  Then along came Ronald Ragan....      

And now you know the rest of the story...
;)
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Nash on August 01, 2006, 11:15:09 PM
The rest of the story?

How's about backing up to where Bush Sr. met with the Iranians in France, negotiating with them in order that they keep the hostages hostage until after the election?

Arms for hostages ring a bell?

So here ya've got this criminal spectacle of people being held hostage to make Carter look weak, and the Republicans trading the days spent in captivity for arming Iran.

You're right. It was a childish observation.

And the hostages were miraculously released on the afternoon of Reagan's inauguration.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Gunslinger on August 01, 2006, 11:26:10 PM
Nash,

You "mis-underestimate" me.  I am not a die hard conservative.  I am not a Bush fan.  I am a "southpark conservative".  I see the current administration as an alternative to a worse scenerio.  I don't defend Bush too often on this board.  I don't think he's great at pushing conservative ideology.

But, I am a voter.  And I have yet to see any major unity on any platform from the democrats that wasn't just anti-bush retoric.  Democrats use the term WMDs as a punchline.  Do you really think people respond well to that?
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Nash on August 01, 2006, 11:28:50 PM
Hmm.... This is twice from you.

Care to give any concrete examples or are you satisfied with your own fiction?
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: ujustdied on August 01, 2006, 11:31:15 PM
personally the democrats are the stupidest people( the ones running for office) i mean this guy on the colbert report was like" ohh well we need to go tell bush how it is and some 1 needs to stand up for the democrats and we need to take away the troops in iraq and let them defend for them selves". lmao this is what he was saying. personaly i think bush is great for what he has done. the freaking liberals are stupid prettythanges and need to learn how to run something. all they want is our freaking money. the next thing i hate about them is that they always say that there going to fix something and how everything is all wonderfull. but u know they never even once say how there going to do it. lol they never say what there golden idea is. thats why there logo fits perfect. they are a bunch of jack prettythangses
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Nash on August 01, 2006, 11:34:57 PM
I got an idea.

How about you go brainstorm with Gunslinger in order to come up with something.... real.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: DiabloTX on August 01, 2006, 11:36:59 PM
How about you presenting hard evidence (weblink, newspaper, etc.) supporting your claim of Bush, Sr. and the hostages in Iran?
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: soda72 on August 01, 2006, 11:41:34 PM
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Arms for hostages ring a bell?


yep,

of course years after the fact though...

Seemed to work a tad bit better than the half-assed rescue attempt authorized by a certain "weak" president...
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Bodhi on August 01, 2006, 11:43:24 PM
In all reality if the democrats ever hope to win, they had best start embracing (and defending the 2nd Ammendment) and cutting back on social waste programs.  Until they do, the Republicans can and WILL put up better winning candidates.

Nash care to bet another set of hockey tickets on the next election in 08?  I'll make it clear, I am talking rinkside tickets this time.  ;)  ohh and not in the corners either!
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Shuckins on August 01, 2006, 11:47:05 PM
Yeah, you guys have got to come up (or down) to Nash's standards of accuracy.

Quoting Captain Gunther Russbacher...wow.  He is the source of your accusation about Bush Sr. cutting a deal with the Iranians in 1900, isn't he Nash?

Carter called for an investigation into these allegations but they were found to be unverifiable.

Russbacher...sakes.  He claimed to have survived two assassination attempts by the CIA because some of his Navy Seals squadies ran the bad guys off the road and liquidated them.


If memory serves, Russbacher arse was in a heap of trouble and he was in a federal prison awaiting trial on misuse of government property, including jets for his private use, and misappropriation of funds when he suddenly "broached" this story.

Hardly trustworthy testimony.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Ripsnort on August 01, 2006, 11:48:18 PM
Locally, I'm voting for a couple of democrats in this falls election. (I vote the issues, not the party)  They are starting to understand that making the state "Business-friendly" draws more businesses to start their companies (or expand) in this state with tax breaks, which creates more jobs, and in turn creates more state revenue.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Nash on August 01, 2006, 11:56:20 PM
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Nash care to bet another set of hockey tickets on the next election in 08?  I'll make it clear, I am talking rinkside tickets this time.  ;)  ohh and not in the corners either!


Of course I'll bet!

What did I give you last time.... $100? I don't know what kinda seats that bought you in Colorado but them's the breaks. :)

At least ya got to enjoy some bonafide maple syrup when you woke up the next morning. :D
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Bodhi on August 02, 2006, 12:13:00 AM
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Originally posted by Nash

At least ya got to enjoy some bonafide maple syrup when you woke up the next morning. :D


Nash,

You do know I am from Vermont....?  Mom and Dad have a 370 acre sugar maple stand.  I most certainly enjoyed your gifts on top of it, and always will have a place for you in list of friends!  Seriously though, look at how the system works here.  You are giving me free tickets.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Nash on August 02, 2006, 12:14:07 AM
It's hosed, but I'm a charitable guy. :D

Glad you liked them. :)
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: lasersailor184 on August 02, 2006, 12:15:49 AM
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Whenever I hear that my jaw just drops in amazement. Because no, the "nation" didn't elect him. 51% of the nation elected him. In fact, more of the nation voted to elect Gore the 1st time around.


No, last time I checked, dead people don't count.  Ironically, all those dead people seem to vote democrat though.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Bodhi on August 02, 2006, 12:17:49 AM
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Originally posted by Nash
It's hosed, but I'm a charitable guy. :D

Glad you liked them. :)


The Flames pin is on our Bulletin Board at work to piss off the Edmonton fans!!!
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Nash on August 02, 2006, 12:20:44 AM
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
No, last time I checked, dead people don't count.


Oh yay. Another super duper  debate coming my way I can tell. I'm bracing for it.

(mea culpa - "arms for hostages" was the name given to yet another of the shennanigans of the Reagan era. Star players coming to a concert venue near you.)
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Nash on August 02, 2006, 12:22:10 AM
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Originally posted by Bodhi
The Flames pin is on our Bulletin Board at work to piss off the Edmonton fans!!!


:aok
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: ujustdied on August 02, 2006, 12:37:19 AM
all im saying is if kerry was president right now there would be no more NYC sadam who u all should be happy that is captured would not be captured. gas prices would be $5 dollars a galon in GA they are 2.50 now and we would be in isreal getting our tulips kicked. which would  u prefer. bush stood up for our country. and all u listen to is CNN but acually people in iraq are thanking  us for what we have done. they are charishing us right now. we are giving them new hope. without bush iraq would be an evern worse country then it was. so for that i give bush a big hand and a major <<>>>>>> for showing kerry how to run the USA.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Sandman on August 02, 2006, 12:40:15 AM
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Originally posted by ujustdied
all im saying is if kerry was president right now there would be no more NYC sadam who u all should be happy that is captured would not be captured. gas prices would be $5 dollars a galon in GA they are 2.50 now and we would be in isreal getting our tulips kicked. which would  u prefer. bush stood up for our country. and all u listen to is CNN but acually people in iraq are thanking  us for what we have done. they are charishing us right now. we are giving them new hope. without bush iraq would be an evern worse country then it was. so for that i give bush a big hand and a major <<>>>>>> for showing kerry how to run the USA.


Blah, blah, blah, blah, slurp.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Nash on August 02, 2006, 12:48:57 AM
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Originally posted by ujustdied
all im saying is if kerry was president right now there would be no more NYC sadam who u all should be happy that is captured would not be captured. gas prices would be $5 dollars a galon in GA they are 2.50 now and we would be in isreal getting our tulips kicked. which would  u prefer. bush stood up for our country. and all u listen to is CNN but acually people in iraq are thanking  us for what we have done. they are charishing us right now. we are giving them new hope. without bush iraq would be an evern worse country then it was. so for that i give bush a big hand and a major <<>>>>>> for showing kerry how to run the USA.


What do ya say to this kind of person?

Do you say: "Enjoy your summer break while you can, because September is right around the corner?

I'm just glad he's not playing for my team......

And is it just me, or is an overwhelming number of such people as these playing for the Bush Leaguers?

I may be a minority on this BBS, but I really like the guys on my team. Every one of them.

If I happened to be one of you, I'd have to bite down hard on something in order to get through every second post. And that's gotta suck every bit as much as backing the wrong horse and faking your way through it.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: DiabloTX on August 02, 2006, 12:51:05 AM
Still waiting for your evidence Nash...whenever you and your "team" is ready.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: lasersailor184 on August 02, 2006, 12:51:20 AM
Debate?  I wasn't aware that dead people voting democrat was in question.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: ujustdied on August 02, 2006, 12:52:20 AM
how can u live being a democrat i guess u just want to pay more for tax lol. u must be one of thoughs high spenders. its pretty sad when a guy whos running for president got shot in the asss on perpose by his own troops lmao. ohh and im glad your not on my team cause now i can shoot u down wich makes me even more happier.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Nash on August 02, 2006, 12:54:13 AM
Sorry Diablo...

When I tried to find it I get stumped. Type in Bush and Iran nowadays and yer lookin' at a coupla million posts about the recent kerfufle. It's just burried.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: ujustdied on August 02, 2006, 12:59:48 AM
ohh that stuff is BS. your evidence is the debate for president lmao he came up with all these great ideas. but u know what made him suck. he didnt say 1 thing about how exactly he was going to do it. its like me saying im superman but not proving my self lol

 this is what i found (http://www.donaldsensing.com/Pix/liberation/0411ridehead.jpg)

greatest day ever lmao my dad, uncle and I were cracking up when that happend.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Sandman on August 02, 2006, 01:01:31 AM
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Originally posted by Nash
Sorry Diablo...

When I tried to find it I get stumped. Type in Bush and Iran nowadays and yer lookin' at a coupla million posts about the recent kerfufle. It's just burried.


Try "October Surprise". ;)
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Holden McGroin on August 02, 2006, 01:01:33 AM
This kind of person... my team... your team....

C'mon Nash, we are all in this together and only with understanding, inclusion, and cooperation can we overcome the discord and anger that permeates the ether of humanity. With a higher consciousness we can live in peace and harmony on this lonely blue ball adrift in the cosmos...

C'mon everybody.... c'mon... "Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya....
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Debonair on August 02, 2006, 01:01:54 AM
also, if kerry was elected, everyone would be gay, but nobody would ever get laid, cause we would all look like cross of seth meyers & abe lincon...which brings up another question, how often do you have to be getting laid to be doing better than the average catholic priest?
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: ujustdied on August 02, 2006, 01:02:54 AM
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Originally posted by ujustdied
ohh that stuff is BS. your evidence is the debate for president lmao he came up with all these great ideas. but u know what made him suck. he didnt say 1 thing about how exactly he was going to do it. its like me saying im superman but not proving my self lol

 this is what i found (http://www.donaldsensing.com/Pix/liberation/0411ridehead.jpg)

greatest day ever lmao my dad, uncle and I were cracking up when that happend.


look at picture lmao
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Nash on August 02, 2006, 01:06:18 AM
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Originally posted by ujustdied
ohh that stuff is BS. your evidence is the debate for president lmao he came up with all these great ideas. but u know what made him suck. he didnt say 1 thing about how exactly he was going to do it. its like me saying im superman but not proving my self lol

 this is what i found (http://www.donaldsensing.com/Pix/liberation/0411ridehead.jpg)

greatest day ever lmao my dad, uncle and I were cracking up when that happend.


Diablo, laser... reign this guy in, will ya?

Because I'm gettin' the distinct impression that he speaks for Republicans.

Oh wait... nevermind.... he does.

..... and he sounds alarmingly like every one of you. Less polished perhaps, but still....
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: DiabloTX on August 02, 2006, 01:07:50 AM
He speaks for me no more than G.L.A.D. speaks for you.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: ujustdied on August 02, 2006, 01:08:27 AM
just look at the picture and admit it. come on OMG CAN U BELEAVE IT NOOOOOOO IT CANT BE        THY'RE ACUALLY HAVING FUN OHH GOD WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TOO.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: FUNKED1 on August 02, 2006, 01:10:10 AM
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Originally posted by ujustdied
all im saying is if kerry was president right now there would be no more NYC sadam who u all should be happy that is captured would not be captured. gas prices would be $5 dollars a galon in GA they are 2.50 now and we would be in isreal getting our tulips kicked. which would  u prefer. bush stood up for our country. and all u listen to is CNN but acually people in iraq are thanking  us for what we have done. they are charishing us right now. we are giving them new hope. without bush iraq would be an evern worse country then it was. so for that i give bush a big hand and a major <<>>>>>> for showing kerry how to run the USA.


(http://www.mikewaltz.net/stuff/dogwtc.jpg)
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Nash on August 02, 2006, 01:10:12 AM
Who is that and point me to a G.L.A.D post on this bbs Diablo.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: DiabloTX on August 02, 2006, 01:12:50 AM
Nash you're wrapped up so tight you can't even see a joke when it's looking directly at you.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Nash on August 02, 2006, 01:15:15 AM
Hey don't worry about me - this thread is hysterical.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: ujustdied on August 02, 2006, 01:15:50 AM
 is this convinsing enough (http://californiaconservative.org/images/_thank_you_america.jpg) or do u need bigger glasses.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: DiabloTX on August 02, 2006, 01:16:18 AM
No argument here.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: ujustdied on August 02, 2006, 01:17:50 AM
was talking to nash i think ur on my side hehehe
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: DiabloTX on August 02, 2006, 01:20:23 AM
No, my reply was to Nash.  We are political opposites but I do like to read what he has to say...the occaisional flare-ups not withstanding.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: ujustdied on August 02, 2006, 01:25:00 AM
ohh yes im right with u diablo i just think kerry is a little uhh kuku if ya know what i mean. i am a true bush fan cause personaly kerry would ruin the nation with his BS.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Debonair on August 02, 2006, 01:29:17 AM
"US Army gives head to dozen of iraqis"
(http://www.donaldsensing.com/Pix/liberation/0411ridehead.jpg)
:rofl :rofl :rofl zOMG :O that is teh my tax $$$ :furious :furious :furious :mad: :mad:
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: FUNKED1 on August 02, 2006, 01:29:47 AM
omfg
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: ujustdied on August 02, 2006, 01:34:19 AM
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Originally posted by Debonair
"US Army gives head to dozen of iraqis"
(http://www.donaldsensing.com/Pix/liberation/0411ridehead.jpg)
:rofl :rofl :rofl zOMG :O that is teh my tax $$$ :furious :furious :furious :mad: :mad:


dude dont u get it. these people are thanking us for getting rid of that pany waist. i acually saw that on the news and by the looks of it the iraqies look like there having a hell of a time. hey dragging him around with some 1s asss in his face is a really big discrase hell, i would do that if they nocked down a carter statue.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: FUNKED1 on August 02, 2006, 01:40:17 AM
core GOP demographic
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Debonair on August 02, 2006, 01:42:27 AM
rofl ujustdied want to sit on a dude's face.
i hope u had teh peanutbutter for lunch lmao!!!1:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Nash on August 02, 2006, 02:00:45 AM
Dang...

I didn't know what that picture is and I still dont....  but something's rubbing me the wrong way about it.... so I deleted my post.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: GtoRA2 on August 02, 2006, 02:09:57 AM
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
(http://www.mikewaltz.net/stuff/dogwtc.jpg)


What is that stuff all over it? It's like sperm running from their eyes!
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: GtoRA2 on August 02, 2006, 02:12:08 AM
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Originally posted by Nash
Dang...

I didn't know what that picture is and I still dont....  but something's rubbing me the wrong way about it.... so I deleted my post.


I don't get it either lol.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Nash on August 02, 2006, 02:15:59 AM
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
What is that stuff all over it? It's like sperm running from their eyes!


Don't quit your day job.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Eagler on August 02, 2006, 06:22:54 AM
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Originally posted by Nash
Diablo, laser... reign this guy in, will ya?....


I am pretty sure he is under 16 .. what is your excuse?

he doesn't "speak for the republicans" anymore than you and sandman "speak  for the dems"

last time anyone bet me on this bbs over politics (or superbowls), they lost :)
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Sixpence on August 02, 2006, 06:54:04 AM
The same thing that's wrong with both parties. They have both gone to the extremes and there is no middle to vote for.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Shuckins on August 02, 2006, 08:01:30 AM
ujustdied's unbridled enthusiasm is about as entertaining as shadow Beetle's unbridled Engrish.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: lukster on August 02, 2006, 08:39:07 AM
It's been mentioned but i'll add my own spin. Rather than identify the reason for their loss of power and make adjustments like adults the democrats are responding like a spoiled child by moving even farther left and throwing a tantrum. Those tactics may work within their own party but it won't move the less permissive adults currently in charge.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: lazs2 on August 02, 2006, 08:51:56 AM
4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Sandman on August 02, 2006, 09:43:09 AM
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Originally posted by Eagler
I am pretty sure he is under 16 .. what is your excuse?

he doesn't "speak for the republicans" anymore than you and sandman "speak  for the dems"
 


I certainly can't speak for the Dems. I'm not one.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: ujustdied on August 02, 2006, 11:43:09 AM
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Originally posted by lazs2
4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.



wow lazs i dont think i could have said that better my self. that was great and true lol.


now nash that picture shows when they nocked down sadams statue and they were dragging it down the  street beacause every 1 hates that guy.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Gunslinger on August 02, 2006, 01:21:24 PM
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Originally posted by Nash
Hmm.... This is twice from you.

Care to give any concrete examples or are you satisfied with your own fiction?


I'm not the only one saying it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101332.html?nav=rss_politics/congress

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Top Democrats are increasingly concerned that they lack an effective plan to turn out voters this fall, creating tension among party leaders and prompting House Democrats to launch a fundraising effort aimed exclusively at mobilizing Democratic partisans.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Eagler on August 02, 2006, 01:26:15 PM
the message i get from the photo is the fact that they can now drag the head down the street without getting shot. The fact they may have hated him is a sidebar given the fact that if there was a statue of Bush in some of those Iraqi towns, I think in some cases his head would be dragged through the streets. The diff being is that they now have that freedom.
The problem is many of them haven't figured that one out yet ...
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: FUNKED1 on August 02, 2006, 01:39:01 PM
The message I'm getting is that our educational system has failed this young man in regards to the 3 R's.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: ujustdied on August 02, 2006, 02:08:30 PM
are u talking about me??? what are the 3 Rs?????
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Gunslinger on August 02, 2006, 02:13:35 PM
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
The message I'm getting is that our educational system has failed this young man in regards to the 3 R's.


arent you a teacher?
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Masherbrum on August 02, 2006, 02:22:00 PM
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Originally posted by ujustdied
personally the democrats are the stupidest people( the ones running for office) i mean this guy on the colbert report was like" ohh well we need to go tell bush how it is and some 1 needs to stand up for the democrats and we need to take away the troops in iraq and let them defend for them selves". lmao this is what he was saying. personaly i think bush is great for what he has done. the freaking liberals are stupid prettythanges and need to learn how to run something. all they want is our freaking money. the next thing i hate about them is that they always say that there going to fix something and how everything is all wonderfull. but u know they never even once say how there going to do it. lol they never say what there golden idea is. thats why there logo fits perfect. they are a bunch of jack prettythangses.


If you believe this, you sir, well, I feel sorry for you.  News Flash Reps and Dems don't give a rat's arse about us.   Neither party accomplishes anything.  It is nothing but a "big boy's club" where the rich will always get richer regardless of who get's elected.  

To elaborate.  Take Former Michigan Governor John Engler (R).  He didn't do watermelon for 12 years.   Roads really went to chit, but here we are getting tax hikes to "repair the roads" that were never getting repaired.    Now we have Jennifer Granholm (D), not only is she a French-Canadian, but she is also as useless as ti*s on a boar.    However, she HAS BEEN repairing the chittiest roads and highways in the Union.   Bottom line, both parties blow, and to not recognize it is a definate oversight.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: PonyDriver on August 02, 2006, 02:42:22 PM
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How's about backing up to where Bush Sr. met with the Iranians in France, negotiating with them in order that they keep the hostages hostage until after the election?


The above rumor was originally tossed around by tinfoil hat wearing leftists and never substantiated. Nash, you are either misinformed or knowingly spreading lies to try to bolster an already weak position.  

Now put your hat back in the closet, post something with substance for a change instead of your usual  leftist unfounded propaganda, or just go away.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: BGBMAW on August 02, 2006, 03:30:19 PM
yes Repubs and Dems both  are crappy


Its just Dems want to ruin our country much faster

Limp Wristed Linguine Spinned Liberals


other wise known  as a .."Lamar Latrel"
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: PonyDriver on August 02, 2006, 03:51:03 PM
As a conservative, I'd like to argue with you, BGB, but on some fronts I cannot.  I do not feel the current administration represents  my views on things like domestic policy, including the economy and our borders. Bush had the majority in the house and the senate and got very little done on some subjects.... unforgiveable.

Bush purported to be a conservative on these issues but i do not feel he has followed thru.  I'm disappointed
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Dago on August 02, 2006, 04:29:55 PM
Nash,

Here is your first challenge, tell me about how you were so convinced John Kerry was going to win the election against G.W. Bush with your superior intellect and understanding of our political system.

That is just one of many times you have wildly wrong on this board.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: RedTop on August 02, 2006, 04:50:18 PM
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Originally posted by Sixpence
The same thing that's wrong with both parties. They have both gone to the extremes and there is no middle to vote for.


Pretty dang close to my view as well Six.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Charon on August 02, 2006, 04:51:49 PM
LOU Dobbs has a solid editorial on the piss-poor Democrats (and piss-poor Republicans but mainly Democrats) at CNN:

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The Democratic Party has played a major role in helping to pass legislation that is grossly injurious to middle-class Americans and their families. This Congress, Republican-led with complicit Democrats, has cut $13 billion in college-student aid, passed numerous free-trade agreements that threaten good-paying jobs and approved an unconscionable bankruptcy law written by credit-card companies that is nothing less than a federal government heel in the neck of American families bankrupted by catastrophic illness and crushing medical bills.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/01/dobbs.August2/index.html


Charon
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: RedTop on August 02, 2006, 04:58:27 PM
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Originally posted by Charon
LOU Dobbs has a solid editorial on the piss-poor Democrats (and piss-poor Republicans but mainly Democrats) at CNN:



Charon


Good article.

Thanks
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: FUNKED1 on August 02, 2006, 04:59:00 PM
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Originally posted by PonyDriver
The above rumor was originally tossed around by tinfoil hat wearing leftists and never substantiated. Nash, you are either misinformed or knowingly spreading lies to try to bolster an already weak position.  

Now put your hat back in the closet, post something with substance for a change instead of your usual  leftist unfounded propaganda, or just go away.


Representatives of Reagan did indeed negotiate with Iranians before the election.  That is a fact.  What's not clear is whether any deal was reached.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Shuckins on August 02, 2006, 05:31:57 PM
Negotiations between presidential candidates and foreign diplomats is nothing out of the ordinary.  It happens every presidential election year.  These heads of state use the meetings as an opportunity to try to get a handle on what to expect from the candidate IF he is elected.

Sure the meetings took place.  No question about it.  But Captain Kangaroo's accusations have never been verified.  The Carter administration investigated them briefly and evidently found them to be baseless, for the matter was dropped.

Some of the very people who so strongly poo-pooed the rumors and conspiracy theories that surrounded Clinton are more than ready and eager to believe this one about the Sr. Bush.

This is just one more example of the Democrats refusing to squarely face their own shortcomings.  They console themselves with strong delusion;  We didn't actually LOSE that election, we were the victims of a conspiracy!"

Sound familiar?
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Toad on August 02, 2006, 05:45:53 PM
I'd like to hear more about Bush Sr. and the Iranian hostage negotiations.

If it's true, I'd be very interested in learning more.

If it's not true, it'd be one of the few times Nash has partially admitted to slinging the old bull-ogna.

Can't find it now? Bwahahahahahah! I'd can just imagine Nash's reply if he called someone on a statement and got can't find it now as an answer.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Shuckins on August 02, 2006, 05:55:33 PM
Toad...look up Captain Gunther Russbacher on google.  Visit more than one site.

Look for October Surprise.

Russbacher was in a federal prison awaiting trial for improperly using government funds and assets when he volunteered this information to investigators.

Regards, Shuckins
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: FUNKED1 on August 02, 2006, 11:37:13 PM
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Originally posted by ujustdied
are u talking about me??? what are the 3 Rs?????


Yes I am talking about you.  Your spelling, grammar, and punctuation are as poor as your grasp of current events.  You seem like a nice kid though.  Work on it!

The 3 R's are an old joke.  Readin', wRitin', and aRithmetic.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: FUNKED1 on August 02, 2006, 11:38:58 PM
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
arent you a teacher?


Indeed I am.  But blaming me for this student's problems would be kind of like blaming you for the Chinese embassy bombing.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: PonyDriver on August 03, 2006, 12:10:08 AM
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Indeed I am. But blaming me for this student's problems would be kind of like blaming you for the Chinese embassy bombing.


I find it amusing that a person criticizes another for poor grammar then types the above grammatical mess.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: FUNKED1 on August 03, 2006, 12:14:16 AM
Excuse me?
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Sandman on August 03, 2006, 12:22:12 AM
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Excuse me?


Dude... you started a sentence with a conjunction.

The nerve!
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: FUNKED1 on August 03, 2006, 12:32:29 AM
I bet the gerunds confused him too.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: ujustdied on August 03, 2006, 12:40:48 AM
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Yes I am talking about you.  Your spelling, grammar, and punctuation are as poor as your grasp of current events.  You seem like a nice kid though.  Work on it!

The 3 R's are an old joke.  Readin', wRitin', and aRithmetic.



hehe see the thing is funked is that i only have 1 week left of summer vacation until i have to go back to school. so im trying to get the most out of the summer i can lol. but also in these boards i type at like 120 MPH and really dont care if i use, U or ur or stuff like that. now if it was a english paper it would be a bit different.


but any way i love bagging on kerry lol that guy makes me sick to stomach.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Sandman on August 03, 2006, 12:47:53 AM
You might as well develop good habits here. It won't hurt.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Sandman on August 03, 2006, 12:48:37 AM
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
I bet the gerunds confused him too.




:D

They didn't have a "Schoolhouse Rock" for that. LOL.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: FUNKED1 on August 03, 2006, 12:49:09 AM
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Originally posted by ujustdied
hehe see the thing is funked is that i only have 1 week left of summer vacation until i have to go back to school. so im trying to get the most out of the summer i can lol. but also in these boards i type at like 120 MPH and really dont care if i use, U or ur or stuff like that. now if it was a english paper it would be a bit different.


but any way i love bagging on kerry lol that guy makes me sick to stomach.


GOOD

Kerry is an ******.  :)
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: ujustdied on August 03, 2006, 12:50:41 AM
lmao thats funny right there. ohh excuse me right their.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: PonyDriver on August 03, 2006, 02:46:45 AM
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Excuse me?



Irony amuses me. I'll grant you that you didn't butcher the language the way your target did but, as someone levying criticism, you should be beyond reproach.  Your sentence fragments are not beyond reproach.
Like I said, the  irony amuses me.
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: Debonair on August 03, 2006, 03:03:16 AM
zOMG intarnet grammar arguing is teh lifestyle choice!!!1
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: DiabloTX on August 03, 2006, 03:08:10 AM
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Originally posted by Debonair
zOMG intarnet grammar arguing is teh lifestyle choice!!!1


It's not a choice, they're born that way Mr. Republican!
Title: What’s Wrong With the Democrats?
Post by: FUNKED1 on August 03, 2006, 03:18:42 AM
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Originally posted by PonyDriver
Irony amuses me. I'll grant you that you didn't butcher the language the way your target did but, as someone levying criticism, you should be beyond reproach.  Your sentence fragments are not beyond reproach.
Like I said, the  irony amuses me.


Neither sentence in that post was a fragment...