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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Grimm on August 02, 2006, 12:25:37 PM
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Last weekend at AirVenture Oshkosh, I had the pleasure to once again here Yeager speak.
He was talking about the P51 and the Bell program. A couple comments he made were... with 10degrees flaps, the Mustang can turn inside a Spitfire, a 109 or a 190. He also said that the Mustang can do everything a Spitfire can, but instead of for 90mins it does it for 8hrs.
After some discusion about this around the camp fire that night, it was pointed out...
"What does Yeager know.. He never flew Aces High!"
We all got a good chuckle outa that one, thought you might as well.
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amazing guy, but every year the P51 gets better.
next year it will out-perform the F22, and should be back in active military service. ;)
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You mean it SHOULDN't???????:O :)
NAVCAD
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lol
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It's funny how pretty much no other Pony pilot or Spitfire pilot would agree with that, but hell, what do the rest of the world know?
Btw, did he ever fly a Spitfire?
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Read Bob Hoover's book sometime, he has interesting views on the different aircraft and he flew Spitfires, P51s, P38s, FWs, 109s, Zekes, and countless others.
If you don't know, Bob Hoover was (as he said) was orginally was destined to fly the Bell X-1 but for goofing off in a P80 he lost his chance and instead was stuck flying the chase plane instead.
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yeager had hek of alot of luck gettin a few of his kills, u know he got a few of em from simply gettin behind a 109, the 109 got scared an ran into its wingman......two kills for chuck
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A kills a kill. Don't matter how you get it.
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John Allison agrees with General Yeager if you read what he wrote in the all services fighter analysis of 1945 and while in England with the P51 aka Mustang 1A earlier in the war. He fought a mock fight against a British ace before turning tables and each flying the other plane.
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Yeah it' s like a dirty or ugly shot in basketball. No matter ho wit looked when it went up, the bottom lin eis it went in.
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Thats freakin hilarious! I'm planning on attending Oshkosh next year! Is there a group of guys from AH that goes? I think it would be a blast getting together!
For those of you who went, if you happened to stop by the tent for "FLYING" magazine, you may have met my goodfriend Kate, or her father, the publisher, and also an ex- AH-1 attack helicopter pilot who flew two tours in Viet Nam!
I know its a year out, but PM me if you attend Oshkosh annually...I'd love to hear some more about it to start planning my trip for 07!
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Yeager also claimed to have tally on bandits 50 miles away. You gotta take a lot of what he says with a grain of salt.
Mace
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You gotta take a lot of what he says with a grain of salt.
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Take eveything you read on this bsb with a grain of salt, and in some cases, the whole shaker :rolleyes:
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Got lots of respect for Yeager, but...
"with 10degrees flaps, the Mustang can turn inside a Spitfire, a 109 or a 190."
It depends on relative airspeeds, as it always does. Through all regimes? no.
All anecdotal comments tend to be very over generalised, but they are still interesting to listen to.
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Yeager came to Tulsa, and my grandpa, my dad, and I went to see him. The place was packed, and Yeager would talk about how he hates NASA becuase they took over the space program. Yeager says if the Airforce still had control of the space program all of the Apollo crashes, and any other disasters wouldn't have happend. He said that the Airforce would wait tell it was safe enough to launch any rockets or space shuttles to space. He blaims NASA for most of the disasters becuase they were to eager to beat the Russians to the moon.
Who knows if most of the things he says is right. I mean what do most old people say, there full of true facts becuase they have already been there.
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And the military wouldn't have been eager to beat the Russians to space? ;)
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They would have just hidden the disasters better. "Oh, no, we didn't lose a crew of 5, that was an unmanned test rocket that blew up"
and then secretly mail out 5 notices that 5 sons died in training accidents.
Something like that.
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I heard the first space shuttle was just gonna be a modified P-51 flown by Yeager directly into space.
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Originally posted by lagger86
I heard the first space shuttle was just gonna be a modified P-51 flown by Yeager directly into space.
no, they are saving the P-51 with a notch of flaps for the mission to Mars.
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TACTICAL COMPARISON WITH MUSTANG III
Radius of Action
31. Without a long range tank, the Spitfire XIV has no endurance. With a 90 gallon long-range tank it has about half the range of the Mustang III fitted with 2 x 62 1/2 gallon long range tanks.
Maximum Speed
32. The maximum speed are practically identical.
Maximum Climb
33. The Spitfire XIV is very much better.
Dive
34. As for the Spitfire IX. The Mustang pulls away, but less markedly.
Turning Circle
35. The Spitfire XIV is better.
Rate of Roll
36. The advantage tends to be with the Spitfire XIV.
Conclusion
37. With the exception of endurance no conclusions can be drawn, as these two aircraft should never be enemies. The choice is a matter of taste.
http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit14afdu.html
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Did anyone ask Chuck what he was doing the day he got his butt shot down?
His pony wasn't that great that day.
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lol...this is all very funny, but give the man some credit! I may have a big mouth, but is it that far fetched considering all of his accomplishments?
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Last I heard he lived in Grass Valley, thats about a half hour from me.
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Do you guys REALLY think he would get up there a talk BAD about the Mustang in front of a group of Mid-Western Americans??:rolleyes:
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lol you guys are amazing. His facts might be a little askew but its hilarious to listen to some of you put him down. What the hell have any of you ever done?!?! You’re all experts because you play a game on the internet lol... Give the man the respect he deserves even if he is a little overzealous with his love for the P51.
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Originally posted by Blooz
Did anyone ask Chuck what he was doing the day he got his butt shot down?
His pony wasn't that great that day.
I think he got HO'd by a 190
:aok
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It doesn't matter if he's a war hero or not; if he's talking ****, he's talking ****.
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Originally posted by VooWho
Yeager came to Tulsa, and my grandpa, my dad, and I went to see him. The place was packed, and Yeager would talk about how he hates NASA becuase they took over the space program. Yeager says if the Airforce still had control of the space program all of the Apollo crashes, and any other disasters wouldn't have happend. He said that the Airforce would wait tell it was safe enough to launch any rockets or space shuttles to space. He blaims NASA for most of the disasters becuase they were to eager to beat the Russians to the moon.
Yeager has a lot of antipithy to lots of folks, just read his book. The guy is sure everyone is out to get him because he's just so good. That's crap. This comes from his autobiography... "I was sabotaged, but it was ironic having the Air Force’s big test pilot hero back in test pilot school, hitting the books. ……The school was on base. The instructors made damned sure it wouldn’t be easy for me Their attitude was right out in the open: they would love to flunk me. … So I did what I was told and counted to three or four hundred. But I always remembered those nasty sons of *****es. If they were harassing me because of a cocky attitude or because I wasn’t doing my work, I would respect that. But this was spite. I put a little red flag next to the name of each one of those guys, and nailed them the first chance I got. That’s exactly what I did, and ruthlessly, too." Now if this guy doesn't sound "disturbed" I don't know who does.
I can't say he's completely wrong about the decision to go to straight rockets vice the DynaSoar but much of what he says is merely speculation and the success of NASA's moon program speaks for itself. As far as USAF doing a better job...well, they've had their share of disasters (XB-70 lost during a freaking photo shoot!!!) not to mention Yeager's own screwups with the NF-104. Besides, the only NASA "disasters" up and through all of the moon landings were Apollo 1 (which wasn't even a space shot) and Apollo 13 which didn't cost any lives. Challenger and Columbia came much later.
Funniest thing about him is that he single handedly ruined the NF-104 AST (an F-104 with a rocket mounted above the engine) program which was designed to be a space plane trainer to give student test pilots experience in space and operating reaction controls specifically so they could fly the Dynasoar. Curtis Lemay directed that Yeager was to use the NF-104 to take the high altitude record from the USSR but he never got over 104,000 ft. He boogered up each of his four flights and on the last put the plane in a spin and lost it. Funny part about it was that Bob Smith (another USAF test pilot) had consistently taken the plane to between 115,000 and 121,000 feet. Smith actually should hold the record but the flights weren't sanctioned record attempts so they didn't count (plus the USAF wasn't about to let Yeager be embarrassed). The Yeager attempt was canceled after Yeager screwed the pooch and the USAF put massive restrictions on flight of the plane to cover up his screwups.
I've met Yeager and talked with him....he may be a talented pilot but he's an prettythang.
Mace
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Originally posted by Mace2004
[BI've met Yeager and talked with him....he may be a talented pilot but he's an prettythang.
Mace [/B]
Mace, be proud of the fact that you, in your infinite wisdom and knowledge, can size up a man, his reputation and a lifetime career in aeronautics in a mere 4 paragrapghs. I'm impressed!
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'Chuck' deigned not to come to AW Cons .. we ..the players .. couldn't pay him enough.
So we (the players who organized the Con) got the guy who taught 'Chuck' how to fly a Mustang in combat.
Clarence 'Bud' Anderson.
I beleive 'Andy' loved every minute of the Con . . he was there in the midst of us all and havin fun.
The Old Crow is a class act.
'Chuck' pales in comparison.
Just my 2 copper.
-GE
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Bud Anderson went to a con! THATS AWESOME! I cant say I recall hearing about any aces invited to the past two cons? What gives?
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Originally posted by Max
Mace, be proud of the fact that you, in your infinite wisdom and knowledge, can size up a man, his reputation and a lifetime career in aeronautics in a mere 4 paragrapghs. I'm impressed!
Thank you.
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Chuck Yeager doesnt use acm's, cons just just auger out of fear...
(insert Chuck Norris modifier's here)
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You guys got a lot of bawlz to talk bad about Chuck Yeager when not one of you ever flew a real combat mission or for that matter even flew an airplane. :furious
IMO the man can talk as much watermelon or be an a** if he wants to, he earned it. :aok Who's with me ?
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Everything get bigger and better as the years go by .........execpt memory . You guys need to cut this aging AVIATION LEGEND some slack. It's all about respect, ive heard many war stories from my grandfather over the years , and with the passing years they involved a greater amount of the enemy and fewer marines to fight them off , but who the hell was i to correct him? I would have put my head infront of a shotgun before i told him he was full of it .
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from about 275 and up a pony will out turn anything in the air during wwii with the manuvering flaps. it will all so out turn anything in the game at those speeds. at 275 wil it out turn a spit doing 150 no but if the spits is going 275 or above the spit is toast.
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Yeager talked down toward the likes of Scott Crossfield and Bob Hoover. I wouldn't pee on em to put a fire out. Especially some of the things he said after Crossfield crashed this past spring.
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Originally posted by BBQ_Bob
You guys got a lot of bawlz to talk bad about Chuck Yeager when not one of you ever flew a real combat mission or for that matter even flew an airplane. :furious
IMO the man can talk as much watermelon or be an a** if he wants to, he earned it. :aok Who's with me ?
I'll bet Mace2004 has more hours in Navy fighters than you have dollars in the bank...
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......so in the year 2020 people will be taking field trips to mars Via P-51 with a notch of flaps,....interesting
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Be careful idolizing anyone you don't know personally... just because they may be watermelon hot pilots, doesn't mean they are someone that deserves it. (aka Duke Cunningham)
The reverse is also true, some of the Medal of Honor holders are the most humble and decent people you'd ever have the honor to meet.
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Originally posted by Golfer
Yeager talked down toward the likes of Scott Crossfield and Bob Hoover. I wouldn't pee on em to put a fire out. Especially some of the things he said after Crossfield crashed this past spring.
You should read the way Bob Hoover quoted 'Wheaties' Welch in his autobiography. True or not, imho he should of been a little more generous towards the deceased man.
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Well I enjoy a good debate, but I don't like seeing threads start to be all about disrespecting a veteran.
I can disagree with some of Yeagers comments, and yes, I give the man a lot of slack because they are asked to comment "off the cuff" about a lot of things, then we pick every word apart like phorensic auditors...and hold them to account for every word they utter, on things that they did 60 years ago.
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Exactly my thoughts Squire. :confused:
-C+
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Especially some of the things he said after Crossfield crashed this past spring.
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Okay Golfer, what negative or derogatory things did Yeager say about Crossfield after he died?
What negative or derogatory things has Yeager said about Hoover?
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Originally posted by bagrat
......so in the year 2020 people will be taking field trips to mars Via P-51 with a notch of flaps,....interesting
thats nothing compared to two notches :eek:
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Originally posted by Rolex
I'll bet Mace2004 has more hours in Navy fighters than you have dollars in the bank...
I'll take that bet, how many does he have. :aok
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5.
ROLEX IS THE WINNER!
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Lol....are we talking checking or savings?
Mace
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Originally posted by Squire
Well I enjoy a good debate, but I don't like seeing threads start to be all about disrespecting a veteran.
I can disagree with some of Yeagers comments, and yes, I give the man a lot of slack because they are asked to comment "off the cuff" about a lot of things, then we pick every word apart like phorensic auditors...and hold them to account for every word they utter, on things that they did 60 years ago.
It's not about "disrespecting a vet". The issue with Yeager is that he has been placed on a pedistal and everything he says is supposed to be gosphel and that's just nonsense. The guy was a great pilot, don't think anyone said he wasn't. He did achieve some great things, nobody has said he didn't. The sad part though is that he has been "diefied" which is not something he (and not anyone I can think of) merits. Lots of the comments that he has made are not "off the cuff", many are in his own autobiography and The Right Stuff (the book, not the movie). If those are inaccurate he should correct them. Especially distastful is his own admission to his propensity to exact revenge on those he considers his "enemies". His abortion of an attempt at an altitude record is also well documented as are the USAF's attempts to cover for him. Bottom line is yes, he was a great pilot and, on a professional level, I respect his achievements, BUT, I'm not very impressed with the rest of what I know of him.
Mace
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Yeager (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=172673&highlight=Chuck+Yeager)
A few months ago a thread in the A & V forum discussed some of Yeager's 'fish stories'...
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S!
Read the book again gentlemen, Gen. Yeager was talking about N.A.C.A. not N.A.S.A. Gen. Yeager said N.A.S.A. and the shuttle program was the best.
S!
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Modern P-51 ready for combat.
(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/6/64/300px-PA48.jpg)
Made by Piper too:D
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Originally posted by Furball
thats nothing compared to two notches :eek:
Yeah, with two notches... they will reach Uranus! :O
J/K Furball :D
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Mace- What aircraft did you fly in the Navy??? You and cyclic should duel in real life till the death for status of best naval aviator!....He was an ex tomcat driver...lmao...
seriously though, thanks for your service sir!
*What did Yeager say about Crossfield after his death?
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Originally posted by BBQ_Bob
IMO the man can talk as much watermelon or be an a** if he wants to, he earned it. :aok Who's with me ?
Not me.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Especially some of the things he said after Crossfield crashed this past spring.
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Okay Golfer, what negative or derogatory things did Yeager say about Crossfield after he died?
What negative or derogatory things has Yeager said about Hoover?
Well he did have the deck stacked against him when he went and called Scott Crossfield one of the "most arrogant people I've ever met."
As witness anyone who had the opportunity to meet Mr. Crossfield (I am not one of them, but know those who have) will tell you otherwise. I'm not going to go digging quotes, but one of them was on his website (I believe chuckyeager.com but I'm not giving him any hits) in a release after the incident.
As far as Bob Hoover goes I'm not even sure if it is possible to talk down to him given that I've met the gentleman and know plenty more who have shared time with him. Mostly it was an example (the likes of crossfield and hoover I believe I said) to show the class of guys that Yeager has spoken poorly toward.
I still wouldn't pee on him to put a fire out.
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BBQ-Bob .. just curious .. what have you flown?
Ima dweeb .. only spent time in:
Stearman PT-17
Aeronca Champ
C-172
..oh ..
..and an hour of pure bliss foolin around over Kissimee florida in 'Crazy Horse' doin all the things I do in the arena ..cept with no bullets and no air-air (the T-34's weren't up so I couldn't go play) .. but I did a passable simulated ground attack, low pass, a bit of aerobatics, full stall recovery practice power on, hard left accelerated stall w/flaps and w/o flaps, full right accelerated stall ..coupla rolls, a huge barrel roll, loop, cuban eight, ..
..you know .. the 'usual' just to get the feel of the Mustang before goin over the Naval Weapons training center to work on pop-ups, strafing runs, an the like.
The pass down the runway there, below the tree tops, at +400 after a split S from 8500 ft was the most fun I have ever had with my clothes on.
I know there's more than a few that 'fly' AH that have a lot more air time than I do, and there's more than a few that know a heck of a lot more than I do about 'Chuck' ..
..however, your blanket statement purty much makes you look the fool in front of this audience.
Care for the other foot? .. mebbe a lil salt will make it go down better?
-GE
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Originally posted by Grayeagle
BBQ-Bob .. just curious .. what have you flown?
Ima dweeb .. only spent time in:
Stearman PT-17
Aeronca Champ
C-172
Well let's see, I have flown a kite and I when I was a kid I had this really cool plane on a stick. :aok But then again it's not about me is it. It's about Chuck Yeager the man the legend.
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Champs are great, Chiefs are the shizz-nit. The supercub kicked my butt. I was Quickdraw McGraw's alter-ego when landing those the first few times. "Kabong!"
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opinions vary..
..'Chuck' obviously is a legend to some.
I've met better.
-GE (checkout 'Lucky' Ekman(sp?) record sometime .. two *thousand* weasel missions in 105's .. in Vietnam, and the best fly-by I have seen in a 105G over GAFB flightline when the bird was retired from USAF Inventory)
Big Ones
to the Red River Rats
-GE (and to Old's Mig Killers, who I was part of for a short time)
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Originally posted by Grayeagle
..and an hour of pure bliss foolin around over Kissimee florida in 'Crazy Horse' doin all the things I do in the arena ..
-GE
I envy u Gray...I was supposed to fly a Hawker Sea Fury but had the flu. USNTPS brought in both a P-51 and the Hawker to Pax River (the school does it every year) and I go and get sick. TOPGUN has (or used to have) a "graduation" flight at the end of the 1 verses 1 syllabus. The kicker was you didn't know what was going to show up in the area (not "arena"...but area) to fight you. They'd brief all the spin recovery procedures for the normal adversaries and then when on to cover the F-4U, P-51, Voodoo and a few others. I was hoping for an F-4U...got an F-5 instead :-(
Mace
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Originally posted by Sketch
Yeah, with two notches... they will reach Uranus! :O
:lol :D
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furball on a serious note, please tell me what a P-51 can do with two notches..............i'll bet it has somethin to do wit time travel:lol
everyone else is off topic talkin about yeager, were here to talk about the p-51 an how its been part of NASA's space program for roughly 200 years before it came into mass production in WW2.
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Originally posted by lagger86
I heard the first space shuttle was just gonna be a modified P-51 flown by Yeager directly into space.
now THAT is comedy!
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And about him seeking revenge on his "enemys" know this man flew fighter planes designed to shootdown and ultamitly murder other people trying to do the same.
do not think for one second this guy wouldnt do the same to someone who wronged him.
the sad fact is the people he speaks of are his own allies,the very people who are suppose to aid him,not hinder him.
how would you feal to know the same people who pass you could just as easly piss on you.
To know that if you get shot down and die while some arse out there will be smileing the next day while he keepin's on liveing and your 6 feet under.
and it was only by his skill luck chance or determination that he's even alive.
and you wounder why he harbors hate or dislike for such people?
you all can nitpick and debate anything and everything till the cow's come home.in the end you did not sit your butt inside of that p51 and feal the vibrations of the engine, you didnt feal the sesation of knowing* you just killed a man when your guns stoped blazeing.
to you it was a game, to him it was his ass.
We are not fit to judge, only to debate.
Respect.
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Originally posted by bagrat
furball on a serious note, please tell me what a P-51 can do with two notches..............i'll bet it has somethin to do wit time travel:lol
I'm sorry... i could tell you, but then i would have to kill you...
Lets just say this was just a massive MDF shell to hide the true identity of what was underneath...
(http://www.nerf-herders-anonymous.net/DeathStar.gif)
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We are not fit to judge, only to debate.
Actually, the Creator gave us a little gray jelly matter inside our head which is called a 'brain'. With the brain he allowd us to do something called 'thinking'. By 'thinking', we can gather information and resources, and compare and judge things upon common standards of human logic - which allows us to take an objective and unbiased position in regards to various matters.
Incidentally, the result of such thinking for many people leads to the following fact;
What Chuck Yeager did during the war is irrelevant. He has a questionable attitude, and he's definately not the kind of person who'd be referred to as being 'fair' to people with conflicting interests. He has a big ego, and when something collides with it, he tends to be just another grumpy, rude old man.
If someone would discredit what he did during the war, then there'd be reason to defend him for the respect he deserves as a war veteran. But when it comes to these post-war things, I'd not exactly want to gather my pom-poms and go cheerleading for him just because he flew a P-51 and shot some planes down.
After all, there are many people in the world who did at least as much as Chuck did, or even more. You don't see them bursting out with ego everday.
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Originally posted by Mustaine
amazing guy, but every year the P51 gets better.
next year it will out-perform the F22, and should be back in active military service. ;)
Yeah, just stick some missiles on it and let it rip
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I gota hand it to you guys, Turn a little story about a funny comment, and turn it into a flame of one of the best known pilots from WW2.
The reason the comment "What does Yeager know.. He never flew Aces High!"
is funny, it is not about Yeager at all. Its about the chest thumping experts that play video games. Guys that form opinions based on a game or because they read a book or saw a show on something.
The 10degree flaps comments Chuck made were with a big smile on his face and chuckle in his voice. He was talking up the plane. He wasnt instructing a class or anything. Leave it to our computer pilots to rip it apart like he was part of a debate or something.
If Chuck did something directly to you, you would have something to beef about. Getting mad and saying how he doesnt deserve respect because of something that he said to someone or of some else reminds me of middle school kids antics.
Well, it does illistrate the humor of the original story. ;)
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He stole my kill.
Krypto
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The only time I heard him speak was in a C64 game I once had..Chuck Yeager's Flight Simulator or something like that. He'd said things like, "You're no wingman of mine", " I dont even know you" ...when you crashed.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
The only time I heard him speak was in a C64 game I once had..Chuck Yeager's Flight Simulator or something like that. He'd said things like, "You're no wingman of mine", " I dont even know you" ...when you crashed.
LOL, I had the same game Filth. I don't think I ever got an ata-boy from him :)
I like to hear any the WW2 vets talk about flying these aircraft. Even the famous ones.
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Originally posted by Lye-El
Not me.
Why not? that is just like saying you don't support the troops in iraq. Yeager did service for this country that probably most of you people wouldn't volunteer to do. I know alot of you disagree with him but give him some credit for helping our country out.
On a lighter note.. It's sad to see most of you bash Yeager then go an ankle hump the Value Menu Boys (BKs). What have they accomplished? ha ha ha
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Originally posted by navajoboy
Why not? that is just like saying you don't support the troops in iraq. Yeager did service for this country that probably most of you people wouldn't volunteer to do. I know alot of you disagree with him but give him some credit for helping our country out.
On a lighter note.. It's sad to see most of you bash Yeager then go an ankle hump the Value Menu Boys (BKs). What have they accomplished? ha ha ha
It's not at all like not supporting the troops. Saying you think someone is an @$&%#!^ isn't knocking their service to the country. Lots of oscar*#@^s have served in the armed forces and many continue to do so.
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I can't believe you guys that get on here and bash one of the few living vets of the worst war in the worlds history! So he embellishes his stories as time goes by - which of us doesn't do that? Especially as you get older, and lose the abilities to lots of the things you enjoyed while you were younger, the memories that you have tend to get grander, bigger, and more glorious in your mind as you re-tell them, because in many cases memories are all you have left.
As for myself, I would never talk disrespectfully of any man (or woman) who had the balls to enter the service during that conflict when they probably all could see the stars in the windows of their neighborhoods where people they might have grown up with had already been killed. To think of the young, 20+ yr. old men who were willing to go up in those aircraft and enter REAL combat, where the losers didn't get to go back to the tower and re-up time after time again, fills me with nothing but awe and respect.
Those of you who would talk crap about this WWII veteran based on your "733T" Aces High skills fill me with shame and disgust. . . .
Ok, I'll be quiet now.....
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So because he flew in WWII he's immune from being an oscar*#@^?
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Originally posted by navajoboy
Why not? that is just like saying you don't support the troops in iraq. Yeager did service for this country that probably most of you people wouldn't volunteer to do. I know alot of you disagree with him but give him some credit for helping our country out.
On a lighter note.. It's sad to see most of you bash Yeager then go an ankle hump the Value Menu Boys (BKs). What have they accomplished? ha ha ha
Oi, if I had the option to go back to WW2 and serve I bloody damn well would, along with every other damn war
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if you interfaced with Yeager and he treated you like an arse, maybe it aint all his doing. Think on it golfer. Yeager might be on to something.
If you aint never met him and YOU think he is an arse, I would recommend some face time at a mirror.
:aok
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All because you say so? I'll be sure to get right on it.
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the guy sitting next to me is having heart pains. bbL
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Originally posted by navajoboy
Why not? that is just like saying you don't support the troops in iraq. Yeager did service for this country that probably most of you people wouldn't volunteer to do.
1: Because others were also involved in his endeavors. He isn't the one man show he, and others seem to believe.
2:Quite a stretch to link ones distaste for a mans ego mania to support of our troops in Iraq. And do you think all our troops are all unreproachable? Watched the news lately?
3: I did volunteer to do service for this country. Did you?
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Then there's guys like Dick Bong who racked up more confirmed kills than Yeager ever will (not to mention ALL the unconfirmed kills and kills credited to junior pilots in his squadron).
Also everyone who ever knew him will tell you what a soft spoken man he was. The discussion won't be about how big an prettythang he was or if he deserved the 'right' to be one.
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Originally posted by Yeager
the guy sitting next to me is having heart pains. bbL
turn out ok?
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yeah...guess he has angina. Wish he would have told us before. He took a pill and recovered pretty quick. Still, had some EMTs come out and check his vitals.
All is well :eek:
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I think people are getting caught up in details that WW2 pilots didn't spend much time talking about.
Yeager said it would do anything the Spitty would do but did not say low speed turns in the same direction which in AH is a major factor. Not that turn radius wasn't in combat but much of that had to do with pilot skill not just the limits of the aircraft. Yeager probably had most of his dogfights at speeds over 250MPH.
Yeager was a guy that was known to take bets on dogfights and would cheat like crazy to win (Much like Boyington). For Yeager he probably could have waxed a Spitfire or two with his Pony with flaps or what ever else he could think of. He also like to mix it up in the P-39 and thought it was a pretty good ride.
As I remember it the P-51 wasn't to bad in combat IRL.
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Originally posted by DaYooper
Then there's guys like Dick Bong who racked up more confirmed kills than Yeager ever will (not to mention ALL the unconfirmed kills and kills credited to junior pilots in his squadron).
Also everyone who ever knew him will tell you what a soft spoken man he was. The discussion won't be about how big an prettythang he was or if he deserved the 'right' to be one.
Agree.
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I can see what happened now. During an open interview Yeager was taking questions and Grimm raised his hand and was allowed to ask his question.
Grimm: Yeah uh I fly an online game called aces high and in that game the mustang is known as a runstang cause all they do is run from a coalt fight and even spits cant...
Yeager: I aint answering any questions about games I flew the real deal and put my *)(* out in the breeze for my country and all your gonna do is go post some silly note about what I said and get it wrong. You screwed the pooch son now sit down.
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Originally posted by Lye-El
3: I did volunteer to do service for this country. Did you?
I sure did just like the rest of the men in my family. I have a great grandpa that served in Geronimo Campaign, grandpa's that served in WW2, many uncles that served in Korea, Vetnam, and countless cousins that served in Iraq 1 and the current situation. I list this because it would have been a shame that I not serve as a warrior for my people. I was lucky that I was enlisted during the peace time in the 90s.
The reason i said what I'm saying is because I know alot of younger Navajos (both men and women) who are currently in Iraq. I don't care how much of an attitude veteran has, he should be respected as a man or woman that served our country, just like all the young men and women in iraq or elsewhere.
Honor your Vets. (http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/node/2894)
Honor them..... (http://www.azcentral.com/specials/special19/articles/0409navsoldier09.html)
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Then there's guys like Dick Bong who racked up more confirmed kills than Yeager ever will
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How well would Bong have done against the LW in his P38? no one will ever know.
How well would Yeager have done against Japanese pilots? no one will ever know.
I remember reading Yeager talking about Bong and how Bong refused to understand the airplane he was flying and it cost him his life. Yeagers take on it was that Bong thought he was too good to be told how to fly an airplane by a younger non-combat pilot and thats why Bong flamed out and crashed on takeoff. Bong didnt listen when he was told to be careful about applying too much throttle too quickly. Thats what Bong did, and Bong died as a result. Unfortunately for Bong, so Yeager suggests, the Younger man telling Bong to be carefull had more experiece with the new experimental fighter, but Bongs ego got the best of him, eventually.
Was Yeager right about Bong? Who knows........
One thing is for sure, Yeager is still alive :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Yeager
I remember reading Yeager talking about Bong and how Bong refused to understand the airplane he was flying and it cost him his life. Yeagers take on it was that Bong thought he was too good to be told how to fly an airplane by a younger non-combat pilot and thats why Bong flamed out and crashed on takeoff. Bong didnt listen when he was told to be careful about applying too much throttle too quickly. Thats what Bong did, and Bong died as a result. Unfortunately for Bong, so Yeager suggests, the Younger man telling Bong to be carefull had more experiece with the new experimental fighter, but Bongs ego got the best of him, eventually.
Was Yeager right about Bong? Who knows........
One thing is for sure, Yeager is still alive :rolleyes:
Well, this certainly is an interesting story. If you read Bob Smith's account of Yeager's flights in the NF-104 he consistently refused to do what Smith advised him to do. Not only did he get nowhere close to Smith's altitudes (less than 104k compared to about 120k) but he lost the aircraft in the process. Yeager may have said something to Bong about not applying too much throttle too quickly but Smith gave Yeager the precise profile to fly the NF-104 and advised him that he had to do a 3.5g pull up to a 70deg zoom to get maximum altitude (if I remember the numbers correctly). The final altitude was not the only important part of this, he also needed to get above the atmosphere where the reaction control jets would have enough thrust to push the nose over for the descent. Yeager failed to listen, failed four times to fly the correct profile and, on the last flight could not get the nose down which caused the LOC and crash. Yes, Yeager is still alive. I suppose that if you buy that the last guy standing gets to be the one to define everyone before him than sure, Bong thought he was "too good". On the other hand, you might just consider that Yeager suffers from the same malady. Also, with regard to his opinion that Bong didn't want to listen to a younger, less experienced pilot, read how Yeager portrays everyone he disagrees with. They were all jealous or too stupid to listen to ...drum roll...Yeager.
Mace
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who is Bob Smith ? :rolleyes:
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Lead test pilot for the NF-104 AST. Your reaction may very well have been similar to Yeagers and exactly my point. Who's this guy?...I'm Chuck Yeager...just give me the keys.
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General Yeager is God on earth. Get used to it :lol
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LOL. Roger that.
Mace
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Originally posted by Yeager
General Yeager is God on earth. Get used to it :lol
amen!
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Originally posted by Yeager
General Yeager is God on earth. Get used to it :lol
God he is not.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
God he is not.
Thanks Yoda!
Yeager's a badass in my opinion, but he's god only in his own mind.
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Originally posted by Edbert1
Thanks Yoda!
Yeager's a badass in my opinion, but he's god only in his own mind.
:rofl. The capital "G" is above anyone. Sorry man, I was raised that way. Badass yes, "God"? No.
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I will concede to a lower case "g" if that would get you on board masherbrum :aok
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Originally posted by Chalenge
I can see what happened now. During an open interview Yeager was taking questions and Grimm raised his hand and was allowed to ask his question.
Grimm: Yeah uh I fly an online game called aces high and in that game the mustang is known as a runstang cause all they do is run from a coalt fight and even spits cant...
Yeager: I aint answering any questions about games I flew the real deal and put my *)(* out in the breeze for my country and all your gonna do is go post some silly note about what I said and get it wrong. You screwed the pooch son now sit down.
Naw, wasnt me, but I got a chuckle outa that. :)
I did have to oppertunity to meet Yeager a few years ago, Tom Poberenzy introduced me. It wasnt much, got a handshake and a "Good to know ya" from Yeager. I also got a personalized photo of the both them autographed.
I was offered the chance to do an article on gaming/virtual pilots for Sport Aviation (EAAs Magazine) but Id just get it wrong, so rather than screw the pooch, I sat down ;)
As for Bong, I used to know his nephew. He worked for my uncle and the family resemblance was amazing. He could have passed for Bong back then.
The sad part was I never bugged him for stories.
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Originally posted by Golfer
Yeager talked down toward the likes of Scott Crossfield and Bob Hoover. I wouldn't pee on em to put a fire out. Especially some of the things he said after Crossfield crashed this past spring.
Thats because you are a greater aviation legend and should not disgrace yourself by "peeing" on a lesser aviation legend.... :rolleyes:
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You guys do realise that Yeager and Norris have the same first name?
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
You guys do realise that Yeager and Norris have the same first name?
No, but I think one is an actor, and may have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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DISCLAIMER : It is noted that the author of this message gets no payment from the above mentonted motel chain and it is expressly noted that Mr. Norris did not put his seat into an experimental plane and try to do something no mortal had done, and lived to tell about it at that period of time. And, did the above mentioned author mention that the above real pilot did get real kills in WW2, in a real WW2 aircraft, and is qualified to have an opinion? And did the above author mention he found humor in the fact that other real life sim pilots are more qualified to post their opinion. Does anyone else find humor in this or would they like to take this opertunity to cut down a real life legond? If not, please read the first post.
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"..read the fist post."
Ah! .. it's a Chuck Norris thread .. I shuuda known.
-GE (never gets the memo)
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Stop disrespecting Norris, the Legend! Immediately!
Or else :furious
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Originally posted by Yeager
Stop disrespecting Norris, the Legend! Immediately!
Or else :furious
yes.......or else.
anyone ever wonder what woulda happened if norris would of gotten a hold of a p-51 wit 2 nothces of flaps durin WW2.
think about it
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Norris wouldn'ta needed 2 notches of flaps.
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Your all over with, Both of you nongrats.....Norris is headed to you baby, Yeah!
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Originally posted by SKJohn
I can't believe you guys that get on here and bash one of the few living vets of the worst war in the worlds history! So he embellishes his stories as time goes by - which of us doesn't do that? Especially as you get older, and lose the abilities to lots of the things you enjoyed while you were younger, the memories that you have tend to get grander, bigger, and more glorious in your mind as you re-tell them, because in many cases memories are all you have left.
As for myself, I would never talk disrespectfully of any man (or woman) who had the balls to enter the service during that conflict when they probably all could see the stars in the windows of their neighborhoods where people they might have grown up with had already been killed. To think of the young, 20+ yr. old men who were willing to go up in those aircraft and enter REAL combat, where the losers didn't get to go back to the tower and re-up time after time again, fills me with nothing but awe and respect.
Those of you who would talk crap about this WWII veteran based on your "733T" Aces High skills fill me with shame and disgust. . . .
Ok, I'll be quiet now.....
SKJohn get's it. He can see the big picture and not just what is on the computer monitor. Thank God for Chuck Yeager and the others who fought that damn war. :aok
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Thats because you are a greater aviation legend and should not disgrace yourself by "peeing" on a lesser aviation legend.... :rolleyes:
I owe you a thanks Bodhi. If I didn't have you around to tell me this all the time I might not believe it.
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Originally posted by Golfer
I owe you a thanks Bodhi. If I didn't have you around to tell me this all the time I might not believe it.
LOL, naw, you already think you are...
It is people like me that ground your dumb arse ego...
atleast we hope we do before you kill some innocents with your misconceived notions of grandeur oh great pile-it.... :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Bodhi
LOL, naw, you already think you are...
It is people like me that ground your dumb arse ego...
atleast we hope we do before you kill some innocents with your misconceived notions of grandeur oh great pile-it.... :rolleyes:
I don't know what you're talking about. Didn't you get the memo that it can't happen to me?
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Real good idea guys. Lets not take the words of a proven combat vet. Lets read about it and prove him wrong because if it says that the spit will outturn the pony on the internet then it must be true. I am currently taking pills that i bought on the internet to make my johnson 3feet long also but i have to wait a week. It just kills me how some morons who have done nothing more then fly their little cartoon planes around on the internet are more of an expert on aircraft then those who actually flew them.:rofl :rofl
It's not like the brits would lie about their own plane now would they? I'm sure if it sucked they would admit it.:confused: I don't care what kind of numbers some of you are going to throw back at me either so don't bother. And, I'm not saying the spit was a crappy plane either.
It's kind of like a car commercial that says the new chevy tahoe gets 32 mpg (epa estimated with 40mph tailwind and 35degree grade downhill ):rofl :rofl
Wake up