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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: MrCoffee on August 02, 2006, 08:59:42 PM
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ill equiped and spread out around the world want to take on the mightiest country in the world. I ask myself that qustion every day, dont you?
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I dunno, maybe because they've read their history, learned from Vietnam, and seem to be doing a grand ol' job repeating the fiasco?
I don't really think a democracy can win a war anymore... I think Hitler really did bring about our downfall.
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Originally posted by MrCoffee
ill equiped and spread out around the world want to take on the mightiest country in the world. I ask myself that qustion every day, dont you?
No.
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I dont have any answers, its a difficult question for me to even guess an answer at. I guess its just cool if your islam to crash two planes full of live people and fuel into some skyscrapers. WTF? The last 6 years has been some very strange years I'll tell you that. I prefer Clinton getting a BJ over this chit. The world is not a better place.
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Last thing, thank god I dont work for the CIA, they cant do anything right!
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Because a buncha nutbag muslim clerics warped the definitions in the Koran to suite their greedy needs in order to brainwash a population that was poor and had nothing BUT religion to help them survive a day and created a "Devil" (go for the biggest kid on the block) by defining the Evil U.S.A..
...and due to the fact that middle eastern men typically have small noodlees and have to make up for their shortcomings somehow![/size]
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Hey RIP, thats clever. lol, And I thought the whole thing was just an excuse to invade the middle east. FOX channel had me convinced otherwise.
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Originally posted by MrCoffee
Hey RIP, thats clever. lol, And I thought the whole thing was just an excuse to invade the middle east. FOX channel had me convinced otherwise.
Both points may appear clever, but its the truth! :) The wife is a nurse, ya know ;)
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I sometimes wonder why a suicide bomber would attack a funeral procession and kill 30 people.
I occasionally wonder why three suicide bombers would blow themselves up in the Imam Ali mosque and kill 79 people.
Now and then I wonder if folks would recognize evil if it exploded right in front of them.
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Originally posted by Toad
Now and then I wonder if folks would recognize evil if it exploded right in front of them.
Nope
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They kill themselves to free their country of the infidels....and take 30 of their own fellow country mates out, nice.
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And this one, of course; I wonder about one like this too.
12 killed in Iraq soccer-field attacks (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1107AP_Iraq_Soccer_Deaths.html)
Two hidden bombs exploded on a Baghdad soccer field Wednesday, killing nine young people. A mortar shell landed while another soccer game was underway, killing three children, police said.
The players killed by the homemade bombs in western Baghdad's Amil district ranged in age from 15 to 25, police 1st Lt. Maitham Abdul Razzaq said.
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because we are the devil thats why. lol to them we really are the devil.
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Originally posted by Toad
evil
Very misty concept. I'll pass and take something rational please.
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Originally posted by MrCoffee
ill equiped and spread out around the world want to take on the mightiest country in the world. I ask myself that qustion every day, dont you?
Because they're enemies of freedom and democracy. Duh.
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I think they do it because the United States is their enemy.
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a few years ago i decided it was impossible for any one nobody (specificly me) to actualy figure out cause & effect on the big world stage, so i decided to just look at who benefited & assume that they're behind whatever the event was. In the specific case of the soccer attack, it must have been iraqi baseball fans
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Because they think God is on their side.
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But I already banged the 7 virgins.
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Maybe they dont want foreigners meddeling in what they see as their own business.
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Originally posted by Pongo
I think they do it because Western culture is their enemy.
Fixed!
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probly just as many or more child molesters in the world... way more sociopaths.... probly more serial killers too..
I wonder what makes them do it... I wonder what makes a male become a democrat too but...
There are no answers....
it just is.
lazs
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If people spent less time and effort trying to understand terrorest and more time destroying them. The world would be a better place. Adore Clinton all you want , but if he had spent more time actually trying to do something about radical Islam , and less time playing with his interns.... The world would also be abetter place.:)
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Maybe they dont want foreigners meddeling in what they see as their own business.
Clearly, blowing up the WTC and other attacks on innocents are the best way to communicate that.
How about they want to bring about armegeddon between the arab world and the west with the expectation that their grand arab state will result? Thats pretty much what their handbook says.
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
Clearly, blowing up the WTC and other attacks on innocents are the best way to communicate that.
They sertainly got the attention they crave. Im confident that if the western world had not put them up against eachother, invested in the middle east, and tried to bring our form of democracy and "freedom" to them they would have kept on trading camels and doing thier stuff just fine.
We have done the same in africa. If they had been left alone, they would have carried on as they always have. But the white man had to go and push his religion, take them as slaves, take their resources, sell them guns and divy them up in wars and colonies.
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nelson... are you saying that they represent the vast majority of the muslim "religion of peace" people?
If that is not the case then what they are asking for is that the world ignore their sujugaition of there own people by force and that we also ignore the threat that their "my way or the highway" religious belief portends for the rest of us.
they are ignorant, insane, barbarian serial killers and they are beyond any redemtion and it is impossible to ever come to terms with em unless we all commit suicide.
They are whackjobs... anyone who supports them is a hypocritical whackjob who lets his anti semitism rule his life.
lazs
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I think they do it...this whole radical Islamic fundamentalist, baby-killing, plane-crashing, bomb-throwing, murdering, butchering, terrorist program...simply to make the world a better place. Right?
Seriously...I think that these people are so completely incapable of independent thought, so craven and scared to face a world where they must carry personal responsibility, so completely powerless to cope with differing opinions and points of view, that every thing about us represents threat.
Think about it...to them, God is the only reason to be alive, God is the only source of thought, only religious piety has any value, the individual is meaningless, and only a priest has the capacity to make a decision.
We represent the polar opposite...Western culture values the freedom of the individual, to some extent espouses the idea of a personal relationship with one's God(s) (not to mention the freedom to choose one's religion), we value diversity and difference, we struggle and debate and argue over ideas and thoughts and social values. We are everything demonic to their way of thinking, because we think that the individual has value and generally refute the idea that we can kill anyone in God's name and it's all good.
They don't fear the physical threat we represent...they're all too happy to get dead quick. They fear the very idea that a culture of freedom of thought might upset the whole social structure they've built to avoid having to think for themselves.
The whole Islamic fundamentalist movement has made it's agenda plain and simple;
Convert and Submit...or Die.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Maybe they dont want foreigners meddeling in what they see as their own business.
thought you were leaving...
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Originally posted by RedRadr
thought you were leaving...
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Originally posted by MrCoffee
ill equiped and spread out around the world want to take on the mightiest country in the world. I ask myself that qustion every day, dont you?
This is easy to answer.
In the last 100 years or so the world has progressed. Some regions more than others. The middle east is one of those regions that has not. People live in squaler while their despot leaders get rich off of oil profits yet do nothing to better their country. This creates anger amongst lower/working class people.
Then they turn to their sheiks and immams and these religious leaders point the finger at Israel and the US. The poor then get worked up into a frenzy and vioalla....you have fanatics.
This is of course my opinion. I can only back it up with saying this. I've been watching alot of discovery channel about Dubai. The leaders their realized that they cannot depend on oil sales for much longer as their supply is dwindleing. So they decided to turn their country into a tourist mecha. This kind of forward thinking represents progress to me. It seems that people their are gainfully employed. You don't hear to much about terrorism there nore terrorists coming that country.
This is of course my opinion and it's not based on any type of relative study but just mere observations.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
This is easy to answer.
In the last 100 years or so the world has progressed. Some regions more than others. The middle east is one of those regions that has not. People live in squaler while their despot leaders get rich off of oil profits yet do nothing to better their country. This creates anger amongst lower/working class people.
Then they turn to their sheiks and immams and these religious leaders point the finger at Israel and the US. The poor then get worked up into a frenzy and vioalla....you have fanatics.
This is of course my opinion. I can only back it up with saying this. I've been watching alot of discovery channel about Dubai. The leaders their realized that they cannot depend on oil sales for much longer as their supply is dwindleing. So they decided to turn their country into a tourist mecha. This kind of forward thinking represents progress to me. It seems that people their are gainfully employed. You don't hear to much about terrorism there nore terrorists coming that country.
This is of course my opinion and it's not based on any type of relative study but just mere observations.
Not a bad theory at all.
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If you're really serious about understanding why any group does anything, or what they want, there is a way to find out. You have to do some research into it, then take their side in a civil discussion.
If you aren't willing to do that, then you're not serious about it.
Firstly, let's look at the original statement:
"Why would a buncha terrorists ill equiped and spread out around the world want to take on the mightiest country in the world. I ask myself that qustion every day, dont you?"
Is this a true statement to start with? If you're referring to Al-Qaeda and September 11th, then it should be specified.
If you're referring to someone or something else, then there is no reason to ask yourself anything about it every day, since no one else has attacked the US.
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Ok, need to stockpile on sugar and rice... world is about to end. I agree with Guns... historical moment :)
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A man of means and education is harder to fool than a poor uneducated man.
If im not mistaken Hitlers follwers were mostly unemplyed or poor. They were promised, and given work and food. A man like him could never haven gotten were he did in a content enviroment.
Religion can play a part if the religion is used to comfort and lead the poor man. Religion in a content enviroment is usually not dangerous at all.
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Ok, need to stockpile on sugar and rice... world is about to end. I agree with Guns... historical moment :)
LOL
Here's another you might agree with. I don't harbor any disallusions that the anger against the US is also attributed to our medaling with ME affairs (as well as our close ties to Israel)
I read something today that struck me as refreshing:
“It is ironic that Muslim extremists are portraying themselves as anti-imperialist, when in fact Al-Qaeda and the Taliban are nothing more but a creation of the CIA.”
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Originally posted by Nilsen
A man of means and education is harder to fool than a poor uneducated man.
If im not mistaken Hitlers follwers were mostly unemplyed or poor. They were promised, and given work and food. A man like him could never haven gotten were he did in a content enviroment.
the german industrialists and intellectuals thought they could control hitler, so they supported him, after all the NAZI party was small, how much power could he have.
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Originally posted by Goomba
Think about it...to them, God is the only reason to be alive, God is the only source of thought, only religious piety has any value, the individual is meaningless, and only a priest has the capacity to make a decision.
We represent the polar opposite...Western culture values the freedom of the individual, to some extent espouses the idea of a personal relationship with one's God(s) (not to mention the freedom to choose one's religion), we value diversity and difference, we struggle and debate and argue over ideas and thoughts and social values. We are everything demonic to their way of thinking, because we think that the individual has value and generally refute the idea that we can kill anyone in God's name and it's all good.
They don't fear the physical threat we represent...they're all too happy to get dead quick. They fear the very idea that a culture of freedom of thought might upset the whole social structure they've built to avoid having to think for themselves.
The whole Islamic fundamentalist movement has made it's agenda plain and simple;
Convert and Submit...or Die.
I think you've touched on the heart of the problem here. You have two different cultures that will never understand each other and globalization has brought them crashing together.
I often hear that the reason for the US going to war is to protect our way of life. Some people in the Arab countries feel that their way of life is under attack and feel justified in jihad.
The problem from the western point of view is that we don't subscribe to these radicals religious reasons for terrorist suicide but from their cultures point of view, they are revered and looked up to as martyrs. As the war progresses, each side feels more and more justified in their actions.
A contained war like the one we are fighting in Iraq will never stop terrorism, just like Israel will be unsuccessful in eradicating all of Hezbollah from Lebanon. The problem is they refuse to wear red and stand in the open in a straight line like the British were so careful to do for us in the revolutionary war. The fighting between the west and middle east will continue for generations until one side completely defeats the other in a WWII like large scale assault. And that will only last until the other side has recovered or been eradicated. And another page in history is turned.
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I believe Gunslinger is basically correct...poverty and hopelessness have been identified as a common theme in any extremist psychology. A lack of hope for the future nurtures feelings of hopelessness and a lack of belonging. People in this situation (particularly young men who also see no hope for marriage) will find somewhere to belong (gangs, militias, insurgencies, etc...) and something to live for (defeating the enemy, dying for God, representing the gang, etc...).
Dubai does represent an interesting paradox compared to the rest of the region, for the reasons stated. Maybe others will see the benefits of such an approach, rather than the enormously successful strategy employed thus far.
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sandie was, I am sure being his usual pithy and sarcastic self but I believe that he has hit on it...
"Because they're enemies of freedom and democracy. Duh."
They are of a religious belief that is the exact opposite of fredom and any form of democracy... their religion allows no individual freedom.
I believe that the success of the west is what they fear.. the loss of control of their people soooooo... they need to make it a religious issue so as to not lose control.
freedom means the end of their power.
lazs
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"But I already banged the 7 virgins."
Karaya, the last 3 weren't virgins, trust me :) you got the sloppy seconds bro LOL :lol