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Title: Boroda, Russian
Post by: Masherbrum on August 04, 2006, 12:42:02 PM

I read somewhere that in the Battle for Stalingrad (and other Battles with the Germans) the Germans had alot of issues with rifle bolts freezing due to the using Gun Oil.  The Soviet troops used Gun Oil mixed with either Kerosene or Gasoline.  Any truth to this?

Title: Boroda, Russian
Post by: Vad on August 04, 2006, 02:07:33 PM

Why not? First winter gun grease - " liquid gun grease" - it was the mix of ordinary gun grease and dehydrated kerosene. They made dehydrated kerosene adding calcined salt or blue copper into kerosene.

Title: Boroda, Russian
Post by: Russian on August 04, 2006, 04:39:08 PM

Unfortunately, I cannot provide source, but I read same thing which included just about any equipment that used oil.

Title: Boroda, Russian
Post by: Hawklore on August 04, 2006, 05:49:02 PM

I've heard the same.

And actually, you really didn't need to even clean the M/N.

As long as you didn't get sand in it, it usally runs without slowin down.

Title: Boroda, Russian
Post by: Boroda on August 06, 2006, 06:15:50 AM

My friend who served in Afghanistan said that they cleaned their AK-74s after every "war" in a barrel filled with kerosene, after 24 hours they simply took off the tar and chalk with a cleaning rod and some cloth. 1891/1930 rifle isn't less reliable I think.

AFAIK when it's really cold - no lubricants are used. In winter 1941 it wasn't too cold, no colder then -25C. Whole regiments were sleeping in snow.

Title: Boroda, Russian
Post by: Ghosth on August 06, 2006, 08:51:46 AM

I've frozen up my Ruger 10/22 semi auto a couple of times.

When its really cold out, you  clean & oil, then wipe it DRY. Repeat when you get home again.  BTW one of those resulted in the only accidental fireing I've ever had. Almost shot my own pickups front left tire.  Apparently the fireing pin froze in the forward position. When I put in the clip & worked the action it went off.

If its really cold out, and the action is cold it doesn't take much.
Sometimes just condensation from going in & out will do it.

Title: Boroda, Russian
Post by: Angus on August 06, 2006, 12:01:25 PM

I heard somewhere that the Russians had their bold a bit more "free", - i.e. not too accurate to the size of the rifle, and that the Fins preferred that layout when they learned about it.
Also, the Germans learned about what the Russians did to the aircraft engine oil in excess cold. They mixed th lubricants, while warm, with petrol. It would stay thin, and then they could evaporate when the oil got warmer.
Before that, the standard German way was to keep the oil pan warm, - for example by having a fire under it!
When you live in the cold, you learn stuff ;)