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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on January 10, 2002, 09:29:00 AM
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http://www.hamblin.com/ (http://www.hamblin.com/)
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use to listen to his show when I traveled in the NE FL area 94 - 00.
Great stuff.
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I didn't know there were conservative African-Americans (hate that term) in America until I listened to him about 8 yrs ago.
He's a pilot too :D and he don't take no ca-ca
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Never heard of him, but posting the "devil picture" on his site makes me wonder. :rolleyes:
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From his bio page:
Ken Hamblin, political commentator and writer, whom The New York Times described as an "intellectual brawler sometimes called the black Rush Limbaugh"
I quit reading when they compared him to that lying bag of toejam Limbaugh.
You so called *conservatives* are a bunch of loons to listen to and believe the drivel these morons spout. ;)
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He speaks of a future nation that has no color boundaries, a nation thats not choked to death by absurd taxation, and gov't control, he speaks of private enterprize and 'working for a living to earn what you have', he speaks of getting more off of welfare and back to work, he speaks of parents parenting their children and being resposible for ones actions.
Too bad you don't have these views Weazel, you might not have the problems you have.
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And once again, when one cannot reply with facts and data, they reply with name calling, which means "I have nothing to add constructively because I am un-informed, therefore I shall call names."
You lose so many times, we should send you a Detroit Lions jersy? ;)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
And once again, when one cannot reply with facts and data, they reply with name calling, which means "I have nothing to add constructively because I am un-informed, therefore I shall call names."
You lose so many times, we should send you a Detroit Lions jersy? ;)
Dude his last 10-20 post have been like this. I have zilch respect for his opinion on anything other than AH or video games in general because of it.
Further thread hijacking....
Tah Gut (sorry to single you out :) ) is a much better debating advisary. He backs his statements with some sort of facts, even if they are subjective ;). But he comes to the debate openly and honestly as far as I've seen. Tah Gut has the ability to actualy make me look at something he's said, study it and further form my opinion, or even change my mind, based on what he's added to the debate. Weazel? hehe not even close.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
He speaks of a future nation that has no color boundaries, a nation thats not choked to death by absurd taxation, and gov't control, he speaks of private enterprize and 'working for a living to earn what you have', he speaks of getting more off of welfare and back to work, he speaks of parents parenting their children and being resposible for ones actions.
Too bad you don't have these views Weazel, you might not have the problems you have.
Lets break this down:
I don't use color of a persons skin as a basis to form opinions about them.
I started my own business and don't feel the government is entitled to a damn cent of my earnings...I don't pay taxes.
I'm responsible for my actions and make sure my daughter knows she's accountable for hers also, as a matter of fact how much time to do you spend with your kids every week? I'll guarantee I double your amount and she lives part time with her mother. Don't pretend you know that much about me... you don't.
:p
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Originally posted by weazel:
I started my own business and don't feel the government is entitled to a damn cent of my earnings...I don't pay taxes.
I think Rush has this same outlook :)
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Originally posted by weazel:
I started my own business and don't feel the government is entitled to a damn cent of my earnings...I don't pay taxes.
I'm responsible for my actions and make sure my daughter knows she's accountable for hers also, as a matter of fact how much time to do you spend with your kids every week? I'll guarantee I double your amount and she lives part time with her mother. Don't pretend you know that much about me... you don't.
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so then your a lying hypocrite who breaks the law? Dude I'm calling the IRS on you! :D :D :D
[edit] LOL took me 4+ hours to edit in the smileys. Though I should turn you in, but the one thing I'm not is a rat you hypocrite.
[edit2] The more I think about it the more I think you should be turned in. What makes you so special that you don't pay taxes? Typical hypocrite leftist vote for the party that taxes yet you don't contribute. Seems a bit parasitical to me. Hopefuly your daughter will learn the real definition of accountablity when the IRS comes down on you like a hammer, but you'll probobly play the victom roll.
[ 01-10-2002: Message edited by: Udie ]
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Awwwwwww man, I'm blushng liberal pink. :D
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Wasn't the basis of the American revolution founded on anger about taxation without representation?
I sure as hell don't see my or Americas best interests being looked after by the parasites in Washington, both parties have lost touch with what the principles America was founded on.
If it makes you feel good to turn me in go for it Udie, maybe I should call a friend of mine in the DEA about your illegal activities?
:D
Eagler, I never expected to agree with any of that windbags opinions. :eek:
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im drunk so i took it out.....
[ 01-10-2002: Message edited by: Udie ]
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weazel give it up man your gonna get a concussion beating your head against the brick wall of dogma. they cant change their minds or even really consider another point of view, it is the essence of a dogmatic blind faith.
you will become angered and it will cloud your mind dont waste the words. and all the while the wont listen to a word you said.
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love the man and the show. to be totally honest, i listened for about two weeks (found him on the drive home one day after the attacks in september when i was surfing the am dial looking for news) before i found out he was black (and i WILL NOT use the pc term here intentionally...because i don't believe in pc anything). i was totally amazed!
i know several conservative people who are black, but never thought in a thousand years that i'd be hearing one on a nationally syndicated talk show. KUDOS to ken!
i like the show because, like many listeners, i'm pretty much politically conservative, and i like his information and stories regarding general aviation as well as i am also a private pilot. i also like the fact that, unlike many other shows you may be inclined to phone, you can actually get through to ken (i've talked to him a couple of times since i began listening).
ken hamblin...the black avenger: great talkshow host!
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The Black Avenger...He's sounding very racist on his comments on people with black skin.I despise people like him who cause controversy quoting "Racial Statistics" to further his "Radio Career"..Truly disturbing cause if he was the "White Avenger" spouting the same crap,he would be a card carrying member of the KKK broadcasting from some pirate radio station in Alabama...There are better ways to improve your community than making a name for your self using your skin colour and upbringing..Try volunteering in the community if you really want to make a lasting difference.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
The Black Avenger...He's sounding very racist on his comments on people with black skin.I despise people like him who cause controversy quoting "Racial Statistics" to further his "Radio Career"..Truly disturbing cause if he was the "White Avenger" spouting the same crap,he would be a card carrying member of the KKK broadcasting from some pirate radio station in Alabama...There are better ways to improve your community than making a name for your self using your skin colour and upbringing..Try volunteering in the community if you really want to make a lasting difference.
hehehehehehehehehe typical response from the left. You think blacks have it bad? You should try being a black conservative. They get messed with by the white bigots, but every one I've ever talked to said that they are treated worse by blacks who know they are conservative/republican. They get it from all sides. The old Uncle Tom syndrome. He's doing what he has to do to help the black community, he's working and earning a living for himself. He also teaches them the truth about what the democratic party has done to the black community through the wellfair state. He was also about the only Republican to turn on Newt Gingrich and call for him to resign when the scandal broke about his affair.
You can call him names all you want, but it only shows how closed your ignorant mind is.... :eek:
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You are wrong Udie. Just saying "get a job" or "quit yer whining" will not change the cold hard facts about racism in this country. Even if they are said by a black man.
I have raised 2 black sons (I am white btw) and I have seen them treated differently many times over the years. They have been stopped and cited for violations I would have never been concerned about. There is such a thing as DWB. (Driving While Black). My son was once cited for driving on tires that did not have enough tread. I guess that officer had incredible powers to see that on a moving vehicle.
Granted, his tires were worn. But the point is......white people don't normally have the feeling that someone is out to get them. Blacks often do because they have experienced such things. My son wasn't stopped because his tires were worn, he was stopped because he was in a car with 3 young black men at night. I'm rambling here, but I hope you all can understand.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
You are wrong Udie. Just saying "get a job" or "quit yer whining" will not change the cold hard facts about racism in this country. Even if they are said by a black man.
I have raised 2 black sons (I am white btw) and I have seen them treated differently many times over the years. They have been stopped and cited for violations I would have never been concerned about. There is such a thing as DWB. (Driving While Black). My son was once cited for driving on tires that did not have enough tread. I guess that officer had incredible powers to see that on a moving vehicle.
Granted, his tires were worn. But the point is......white people don't normally have the feeling that someone is out to get them. Blacks often do because they have experienced such things. My son wasn't stopped because his tires were worn, he was stopped because he was in a car with 3 young black men at night. I'm rambling here, but I hope you all can understand.
Unfortunately I don't think racism will ever go away completely there are just to many stupid people out there. But it is better than it used to be and is getting better with each generation. I saw passive racism today getting gas, I didn't have to prepay, the black guy did :( More blacks are in the middle class now than ever, I see them everyday, so that in itself says something. It does go the other way too though, I've seen it and been a victom of it alot in my life. I deal with it. You should try being white in job corps on Martin Luthar King day, I learned at 7 am that the safest place for me was in my bunk when a friend got jumped on the way to mess hall.
Ken Hamblim is a good guy and he is not a racist and neither are most conservatives.
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Udie,the Constitution starts off"We,the people.." meaning every person of race,colour or creed.When someone starts quoting racial statistics and pointing the finger at certain groups regarding welfare,crime..etc..That person is ringing the "Division Bell" loud and clear.One could say %90 of all terrorism is done by followers of Islam but would promoting this do any good?The sooner we get over this mentallity and realize we are all the same race of people the better off we'll all be.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Udie,the Constitution starts off"We,the people.." meaning every person of race,colour or creed.When someone starts quoting racial statistics and pointing the finger at certain groups regarding welfare,crime..etc..That person is ringing the "Division Bell" loud and clear.One could say %90 of all terrorism is done by followers of Islam but would promoting this do any good?The sooner we get over this mentallity and realize we are all the same race of people the better off we'll all be.
Then why do we still have afirmative action? Race based scholorships? It will never be gone completely, one reason is that there's too much money to be made off of it. J. Jackson..... Oh yeah, you don't need to quote the constitution to me, I have a copy of it on my desk at work. I read it all the time. Too bad our government lost it's copy.....
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Ken represents "You are responsible for your OWN actions"...I could see why many of you hate him. ;)
Ken is also involved in his local community, just about every program you can imagine. He's also an Ex-Seal.
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Originally posted by Udie
Then why do we still have afirmative action? Race based scholorships? It will never be gone completely, one reason is that there's too much money to be made off of it. J. Jackson..... Oh yeah, you don't need to quote the constitution to me, I have a copy of it on my desk at work. I read it all the time. Too bad our government lost it's copy.....
Think of it this way:
You and a (fill in race here) man are in a race. All is fair except the man is told he must carry a piano. Half way through the race ....you decide it is unfair to have this man carry a piano, so he gets to put it down...........is the race fair now? How can you make it fair? Ken Hamblin and his success is anecdotal evidence. Look at the statistical evidence, look at the unemployment rates, look at the life expectancy. Racism hasn't ended, as you have admitted.
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..and sadly, look at the cultures. :(
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Think of it this way:
You and a (fill in race here) man are in a race. All is fair except the man is told he must carry a piano. Half way through the race ....you decide it is unfair to have this man carry a piano, so he gets to put it down...........is the race fair now? How can you make it fair? Ken Hamblin and his success is anecdotal evidence. Look at the statistical evidence, look at the unemployment rates, look at the life expectancy. Racism hasn't ended, as you have admitted.
I can't help what was done to their people 100 or 200 or 300 or 50 or 30 years ago. The only thing I can do is lead a good life and NOT judge people based on race or any thing other than their character. BUT I will not pay for what people did to them in the past. Nobody in my family ever owned a slave. They need to get over it. If somebody exhibits racism to them, they need to deal with it. Move, call the authorities, what ever. I know how I delt with the situations I was faced with, most of the time I left the scene (out of fear of my well being).
You cannot deny that the problem has gotten better in the past 30-40 yrs. At this point I think they are in danger of creating more racist with all this race based BS that our gov throws at us. But it is a free country........
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Originally posted by Udie at Work
I can't help what was done to their people 100 or 200 or 300 or 50 or 30 years ago. The only thing I can do is lead a good life and NOT judge people based on race or any thing other than their character. BUT I will not pay for what people did to them in the past. Nobody in my family ever owned a slave. They need to get over it. If somebody exhibits racism to them, they need to deal with it. Move, call the authorities, what ever. I know how I delt with the situations I was faced with, most of the time I left the scene (out of fear of my well being).
You cannot deny that the problem has gotten better in the past 30-40 yrs. At this point I think they are in danger of creating more racist with all this race based BS that our gov throws at us. But it is a free country........
You ignored both of my questions. Is the race fair now? How can you make it fair? I don't deny things have gotten better. Thats what "putting down the piano" means. That doesn't change the facts.
"BUT I will not pay for what people did to them in the past."
Unless of course they are Japanese Americans hauled off to concentration camps and divested of all their property. Hmmmmm? Is that worse than what has been perpetrated on Black people over the years?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
You ignored both of my questions. Is the race fair now? How can you make it fair? I don't deny things have gotten better. Thats what "putting down the piano" means. That doesn't change the facts.
"BUT I will not pay for what people did to them in the past."
Unless of course they are Japanese Americans hauled off to concentration camps and divested of all their property. Hmmmmm? Is that worse than what has been perpetrated on Black people over the years?
Your analagy doesn't use good logic. What you are trying to compair it to is apples and oranges. Just because somebody was a slave 150 years ago doesn't have to mean that his ancestors still feel that weight. There's no way I can fix something that somebody else did to another person before I as born, that's where forgiveness comes in. LOL forgive me for what people did to other people before I was alive, I don't need that forgiveness I did nothing wrong. If some joe schmoe skin head decides to go kill a bunch of people there ain't nothing I can do about it, unless I get there while it's happening or just before the crazy guy starts. I'd be willing to bet that most of the black middle class you see figured out that it's better to fend for yourself than to let the gov do it, they dropped the piano and ran. Alot just dropped the piano and started crying "but i'm still losing" Oh yeah, who ever said life was fair? I could spend the rest of the week writing down the "unfair" things that happened to me just last year. All it would get me is sore fingers and in trouble at work.
Everything I own (which isn't much) I've worked my bellybutton off to earn. At this point in my life I'm responsible to no one but myself and my boss at work. I'm not responsible for anything that any other person has done on this planet except for what I have done and I refuse to be held accountable for what others did, period. You want a good fight? Try and make me pay for something that somebody else did, whooooo baby that'd be a good fight ;) This isn't freakin kindergarten where they punish all for what a few did.
gotta get back to work......
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Think of it this way:
You and a (fill in race here) man are in a race. All is fair except the man is told he must carry a piano. Half way through the race ....you decide it is unfair to have this man carry a piano, so he gets to put it down...........is the race fair now? How can you make it fair? Ken Hamblin and his success is anecdotal evidence. Look at the statistical evidence, look at the unemployment rates, look at the life expectancy. Racism hasn't ended, as you have admitted.
Fair to whom? The man "with" the piano or the man "without"?
It is fair to have the man "without" the piano be told to stop and let the man who had the piano catch up with a free pass? Makes them both stagnate doesn't it?
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"Try and make me pay for something that somebody else did, whooooo baby that'd be a good fight This isn't freakin kindergarten where they punish all for what a few did. "
But you did! We paid the Japanese American people who were interned during WW2 for their troubles. I assume you are a taxpayer, so I say we. I also assume you weren't around or had anything to do with it.
Don't be so quick to use that "apples and oranges" diatribe. I'm not talking about slavery. And my analogy is right on the money.
Only 40 years ago most of the Universities in this country were loth to accept Black students unless they could run a quick 40, or dunk. How many generations of "equal treatment" does it take to make the race fair? Affirmative action is the remedy for a lack of opportunity, not for slavery 150 years ago.
The members of the black middle class, in general, had to work harder than the members of the white middle class to achieve their level of success (sorry no proof here just my opinion).
No one is asking the man "without" the piano to stop running. The starting line should be even though.....isn't that the American way? maybe provide a short cut for the guy at a disadvantage. Close the gap a little.
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arrrrrrggg too busy to answer all that I'll try and continue at home.
I will concede the japanese thing, though I didn't even know we had. Hopefuly the payments went to those who were hurt...
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I will concede the japanese thing, though I didn't even know we had. Hopefuly the payments went to those who were hurt...
Don't mean to pile it on Udie, but be careful how you finish that sentence....I see lots of ammo being delivered in that particular goony bird.;)
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Originally posted by midnight Target
But you did! We paid the Japanese American people who were interned during WW2 for their troubles. I assume you are a taxpayer, so I say we. I also assume you weren't around or had anything to do with it.
I'll have to claim ignorance on this, I didn't realize we had payed them reparations. (is that better? :D)
Don't be so quick to use that "apples and oranges" diatribe. I'm not talking about slavery. And my analogy is right on the money.
Only 40 years ago most of the Universities in this country were loth to accept Black students unless they could run a quick 40, or dunk. How many generations of "equal treatment" does it take to make the race fair? Affirmative action is the remedy for a lack of opportunity, not for slavery 150 years ago.
I agree, but as far as I'm concerned the debt has been paid in full. At what point is it racist to let a less qualified black student in over a more qualified white student? It should be the same either way when it comes to anything federal. What the blacks went through in the south was abhorent to say the least. But what 30 years of a wellfair state did was even worse. It caused whole generations to lose the work ethic. Why work when the government will pay me to make babies? making babies is more fun than work so... Now that too has changed in the past 8 years with limits on how much you can get in wellfair. It really pisses me off to think of all the people that waste the handout and make others hate wellfair because of that, it hurts tho's who really need it the most, people who truely can't work.
The members of the black middle class, in general, had to work harder than the members of the white middle class to achieve their level of success (sorry no proof here just my opinion).
No proof needed, I've worked with blacks in the past and saw it with my own eyes. They all told me that in the long run they're better off for it from the "life lessons" it taught them. That doesn't mean they didn't hate it, just that they learned more from life because of it.
No one is asking the man "without" the piano to stop running. The starting line should be even though.....isn't that the American way? maybe provide a short cut for the guy at a disadvantage. Close the gap a little.
Ok here's the way I see it. You can ...
1. start the race over - Impossible to do
2. Make the poor guy keep the piano and laugh at him - many still do this
3. Give the guy a short cut (as you put it) - this was the best option and the path our nation took. My point is that we gave him the short cut and he took it. If I'm still winning the race I'm sorry he's just going to have to run faster.
I believe we are at that point. Afirmative Action was woven into every part of our country, military, schools, government jobs etc.. Blacks got preferensial treatment for 30 years, that's 3 to 4 generations of people. Some took that chance and ran with it, some sat back and got fat on the sow's tete and are at the same place they were when we started AA. Do I feel bad for those people? Sure, but they have to learn to help themselves before somebody else can help them. Does this mean life is fair now? No, it never has been nor ever will be fair. Life is the ultimate un-fair thing. You work, toil, sweat, bleed, cry and do all the things to be a success, to raise a family and what not. In the end what do you get for your trouble? DEATH! Is that fair? :)
There will always be people looking to screw other people around, and there will always be people who get screwed. What's important is what they do to protect themselves from it. (no not condems :D) After 10 years of work I'm still in the negative on my ballance sheet. Where's my "helping hand"? Why is it fair that others had an easier start than I did? It's not and I was taught that at a young age so I deal with it. I work harder knowing that one day I will be in the positive and be more free because of it. That's my insentive, you give me a hand out and you just took away the reason I work.
I guess I'll stop now because I'm starting to ramble but I think you can see my point, I hope :D
S! to ya, these are the kinds of debates that we need to get back to around here. Nice and civil and no name calling ;) It's a nice thing finishing a political reply without frothing at the mouth...
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Actually, "We the People.." meant landowning citizens. True, color of your skin was not involved, but there were certain responsabilites involved that seem to have gotten lost through the years.
Just remember, We the people, means tax paying citizens, not every warm body with their feet planted in the geographical area of the U.S.
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Udie....you went to too much trouble in that post. Very well spoken sir and I refuse to pick at it. Now go fly your plane
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Midnight do you make it clear to your sons they just as white as they are black? Do you encourage them in study of European history as well as African? I have noticed that many mixed people nearly always fully abandon their white heritage. Are they ashamed? I have even seen white kids who go mad with joy when they find out they might be 1/128 Cherokee. Are they ashamed of bing white. Do your son's All Black friends make a point of their mixed heritage.
Or are they your wife's children from a previous marriage, that was all black.?
Im curious about how mixed people see themselves, really they are just as black as they are white?
Please Tell me what it is like in your family, what and how race issues pop up.
Thanks.
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BTW.
"Only 40" years ago things were different, is a nice statement in support of modern day racism.
Soon it will be:
Only 50
Only 60
Only 70
Only 80
Only 90
Only 100
Only 200
Only 300
Only 400
etc etc
Its far too useful a weapon for the looney and the lazy to give up.
Oh yea.
Only 400 years ago the Turks invaded my country and did bad things, those bad things still "revertibrate", I demand a 5% cut of all Turkish coffee export profits in return for that only 400 years ago suffereing.........
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Midnight is either "just graduated college" or "In college"...you can see the brainwashing by professors is in work. :)
Reminds me of this joke which hits spot on:
A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost. She lowered altitude and spotted a man below. She shouted to him, "Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don't know where I am."
The man consulted his portable GPS and replied, "You're in a hot air balloon approximately 30 feet above a ground elevation of 2346 feet above sea level. You are 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude." She rolled her eyes and said, "You must be a Conservative."
"I am," replied the man. "How did you know?"
"Well," answered the balloonist, "Everything you told me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to make of your information, and I'm still lost. Frankly, you've not been much help to me."
The man smiled and responded, "You must be a Liberal."
"I am," replied the balloonist. "How did you know?"
"Well," said the man, "you don't know where you are or where you're going. You've risen to where you are due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise that you have no idea how to keep, and you expect ME to solve your problem. You're in EXACTLY the same position you were in before we met, but somehow now, it's MY fault".
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LOL :)
Rip you always find the good stuff!
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That is a good one Rip.
I am not in or even near college....I graduated from college with a degree in biological science (that I have never used) in 1979.
My sons are now 21 and 23 yrs old. Yes, they are of mixed race Grunherz and you bring up a very interesting point. They tended to merge more with the groups at school they looked more like. While both are "light skinned" as Black people go, one has definite "Black" hair while the other doesn't. The one with straighter hair is a little darker. Both look more black than white.
You are absolutely correct, they always felt more comfortable with Black friends. I could always torment them with a little loud Led Zepplin. ;) They are both very intelligent (parental pride) and have a strong knowledge of european history. I raised them to be Men, not White Men, or Black Men. They are proud to be part Black, and part Italian, and part Swedish...etc. My older son was a fine basketball player in school, inheriting both my outside shot, :D and my jumping ability :( .
BTW I am TahGut and I don't know how my handle changed after the BBS update, or how to change it back.
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I knew were my buddy TahGut, thanks for the response. :)