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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Udie on January 10, 2002, 10:28:00 AM
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and here it comes....
http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7B903B88E7%2D7C09%2D4FC6%2DB706%2D49697A5B66F1%7D& (http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7B903B88E7%2D7C09%2D4FC6%2DB706%2D49697A5B66F1%7D&)
I hope GW kept his hands clean. I guess we'll see soon enough.......
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<<<It will explain why Bush has locked up presidential records, locked out any voices opposed to his pro-business agenda and rammed through an expensive economic plan that wiped out the budget surplus but to date hasn't had any positive effect on the economy.>>>
That pretty much tells you where this hack is coming from. He's hoping to get hired on at the NY Times.
ra
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SAN FRANCISCO (CBS.MW) -- The Enron debacle won't be President Bush's Whitewater. It will be much worse.
more unbias reporting, read that, read enough of article.. :rolleyes:
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I think this guy really wishesthere were something that the Dems could exploit for the next presidential election Udie.
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I agree with you guys, that's part of the reason I'm worried. Notice how he said the presidents budget has already wrecked the surplus? He's defenately slanted left, but so is 90% of the media ok 80% now that we have Foxnews.
Fact remains, he better not have done anything wrong....
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If it doesn't involve cLiNTOoOoOn's trousers... then it ain't illegal
10Bears--
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Originally posted by 10Bears:
If it doesn't involve cLiNTOoOoOn's trousers... then it ain't illegal
10Bears--
heheh You're so predictable. Only thing is that it took you about 30 min longer to come post your drivel than I thought it would have.....
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The chicken always comes home to roost, your "lily white" heros true colors will eventually be revealed...just like Clintons were. :p
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your an hour late weazel :D
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All I can say is if Bush is found guilty of illegal doings he should resign. I said it of Clinton, I say it of Bush, and I'll say it about the next guy to come along.
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Although it pains me to say this.....sounds like a bunch of hype and politics to me.
Just like Whitewater was all hype and politics. Bush probably has little to worry about, especially if he is half the politician Clinton was. :D
sorry I'm late Udie
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[ 01-10-2002: Message edited by: Tah Gut ]
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Kieren I agree with you 100%
Tah Gut,
I hope your right as much as I hope he didn't do anything wrong. Clinton had a mainstream media that wouldn't report 1/2 of the scandals that his administration brought to our country. We'll see if Bush get's the same "unbiased" attention ;)
and you weren't late :)
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Originally posted by Udie:
Clinton had a mainstream media that wouldn't report 1/2 of the scandals that his administration brought to our country.
Where's your EVIDENCE Udie??!!
:D
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Ive always wanted to start my own Fight Club.
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C'mon people. The second the smoke from 9/11 STARTED to clear the Dem's went on the warpath. Bush will face Dem/Media underhanded back stabbing attempts to bring discredit on his presidency until his presidency is over. I for one believe that after 8 years of Clintonian corruption going unchecked, then so it should be if Bush gets caught...which he won't, but you can bet the media will slant ANYTHING and EVERYTHING against him. They've already begun but, in the interest of not looking like the amazinhunks they are (and in consideration of the "Unity" brought about by 9/11) it will be a slow and agonizing process.
I'm very thankful we have GW as a president and at least a small Rep majority. At least I don't have to worry about the government turning me into a ward of the state for another 3 years or so.
Tumor
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This is why I hate political parties.
Screw all of you. I want my government to work, not argue about stupid crap like this. Clinton had a girlfriend and tried to keep it a secret. I would lie too (I would like to say I wouldn't be that dumb to have a girlfriend though). In the end, it bassically was Hilary and Bill's domestic problem, and was none of our buisness. Just like Prince Charles and Dianne's love life is none of our buisness, or any celebrity.
I fail to see how President Bush is at fault for being an oil man who knows other oil men in the oil industry and works together. Just being associated with Enron makes him guilty in a trial by media and their ever-reliable 10 second sound bites from hour long speaches?
Hans.
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Found this on the drudge report.
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash2.htm (http://www.drudgereport.com/flash2.htm)
FLASHBACK: CLINTON OFFICIAL MET WITH ENRON CHAIRMAN; $100,000 CASH DONATION TO DEMOCRATS TIMED TO PLANT APPROVAL
TIME MAGAZINE
SEPTEMBER 1, 1997
On Nov. 22, 1995 President Clinton scrawled an FYI note to chief of staff Mack McLarty, enclosing a newspaper article on Enron Corp. and the vicissitudes of its $3 billion power-plant project in India.
McLarty then reached out to Enron's chairman, Ken Lay, and over the next nine months closely monitored the project with the U.S. ambassador to New Delhi, keeping Lay informed of the Administration's efforts, according to White House documents reviewed by TIME magazine.
In June 1996, four days before India granted final approval to Enron's controversial $3 billion power-plant project, Enron's gave $100,000 to President Clinton's party.
Enron denies that its gift was repayment for Clinton's attention, and White House special counsel Lanny Davis says McLarty acted out of concern for a major U.S. investment overseas, TIME's Michael Weisskopf reported.
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DRUDGE NOTE: McLarty was later hired by Enron. Lay also played golf with President Bill Clinton and slept in the Clinton White House. A master of political manipulation of both parties, Lay served as an adviser to the Clinton White House on energy issues. The Clinton administration, in turn, helped Enron get a contract for a gas pipeline in Mozambique and other projects, according to reports.
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Sorry, Hans. If the Chief Executive Officer, whose express purpose is to see the law is upheld, cannot keep the law himself, he should step aside. Granted, I am only a simple country boy, but I fail to see where we should not look at a president that perjures himself in court or a president that may have used his office illegally.
We know Bill lied, and we have DNA to prove it. He should have stepped aside. Instead he thumbed his nose at us even to the last days of office- Marc Rich? Nah, maybe that was just a big misunderstanding...
There are some that will look for anything against Bush; if it can be found he was involved in doing something illegal, and proven, then he should step aside.
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SEPTEMBER 1, 1997
On Nov. 22, 1995 President Clinton scrawled an FYI note to chief of staff Mack McLarty, enclosing a newspaper article on Enron Corp. and the vicissitudes of its $3 billion power-plant project in India.
McLarty then reached out to Enron's chairman, Ken Lay, and over the next nine months closely monitored the project with the U.S. ambassador to New Delhi, keeping Lay informed of the Administration's efforts, according to White House documents reviewed by TIME magazine.
In June 1996, four days before India granted final approval to Enron's controversial $3 billion power-plant project, Enron's gave $100,000 to President Clinton's party.
Enron denies that its gift was repayment for Clinton's attention, and White House special counsel Lanny Davis says McLarty acted out of concern for a major U.S. investment overseas, TIME's Michael Weisskopf reported.
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AFAIK the scamming lying from enron came more reciently than 97 so it would apear to me that this info is a little out of context.
unfortunatly big business kicking down money to politicians is just the way it works around here. i don't know of any politicians on the federal level who haven't recieved any big bussiness money.
it sux but the people this situation benifits have recieved enough power and money from it that they can now ensure that it stays this way.
clinton did more than enough sleazy stuff to provide plenty of factual ammo on him, use that
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
AFAIK the scamming lying from enron came more reciently than 97 so it would apear to me that this info is a little out of context.
That has yet to be determined. The investigation has just started...
unfortunatly big business kicking down money to politicians is just the way it works around here. i don't know of any politicians on the federal level who haven't recieved any big bussiness money.
it sux but the people this situation benifits have recieved enough power and money from it that they can now ensure that it stays this way.
Yes you are correct. I just hope that Waxman investigates the ties to the Clinton administration too. It was his whitehouse durring the most of the time in question. I'm more worried if Bush did something wrong while he was Gov. here in Tx. Phil Grahams wife was on the Board of directors of Enron and was subpena'd (sp?) yesterday. Both he and Kay Bailey were the 2 highest receipiants of their donations too, I don't like the smell of that, but the company was texas based I guess.
clinton did more than enough sleazy stuff to provide plenty of factual ammo on him, use that
LOL, we already tried that but the left just closed their ears, eyes and minds.
I do like the way the Bush administration is handling it so far. They seem to be disclosing everything they should be openly and honestly. I guess time will tell if they continue to do this, I think they will. I know that if this had happened with Clinton in office we'd be seeing Lanny Davis, "serpant head" James Carvel and all the other Clinton apologists on TV everyday explaining how it's all just a coinsidence and that Clinton did nothing wrong, while his lawers would be working behind the scenes stopping ANY info from getting to where it is needed or wanted by the investigators. I also have already seen CNN and MSNBC pose the question "is this big enough to bring down the whitehouse" so that's the way they are going to play it I fear. I bet they say that he should have helped, even though had he they'd be all over him for paying back a big contributer. So GW may be (actually has been to people in the left) in the damned if you do, damned if you don't catagory.
Personally I think we have a case of company execs breaking laws and screwing their employees to make money with shadey accounting tricks. It's truely F'ed up that the employees couldn't get the Enron stock out of their 401K's, but that's what you get for putting all your eggs in one basket. Hopefuly they'll make it so that if your company is going to contribute matching funds they have to do it where ever you chose to invest your money, not just in their own stock like Enron did.
This has the potential to be real bad for the USA and Texas. We're at war and it's not a good time to start this kind of toejam. This thing could bring down several members of Congress, Bush or people in his administration and God knows who or what here in Texas. I'm really worried about it, but it's in politics now so we'll probobly never know....
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Ah... Bush is getting pounded regardless.
Last night, the news did a big story on how the Bush administration IGNORED Enron when they called for some help, citing that they wanted to distance themselves from the situation (this was mid 2001 some time).
So, its a story if Bush did help Enron. Its a story if Bush didn't help Enron. The media will have their revenge.
AKDejaVu
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Now if he pardons Ken Lay, then you'll have a scandal...
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"LOL, we already tried that but the left just closed their ears, eyes and minds."
Funny thing was the "LEFT" comprised over 60% of this country. (check the polls) The GOP spent plenty of time and money to try to hang Clinton. (most expensive investigation in history of A.J. Office) The best they could do was catch him getting a hummer and denying it. ;) And now they cry cause the playing field wasn't fair for them.........THE PEOPLE DECIDE THE PLAYING FIELD NOT THE MEDIA!
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Originally posted by midnight Target
"LOL, we already tried that but the left just closed their ears, eyes and minds."
Funny thing was the "LEFT" comprised over 60% of this country. (check the polls) The GOP spent plenty of time and money to try to hang Clinton. (most expensive investigation in history of A.J. Office) The best they could do was catch him getting a hummer and denying it. ;) And now they cry cause the playing field wasn't fair for them.........THE PEOPLE DECIDE THE PLAYING FIELD NOT THE MEDIA!
They got him for alot more than that, they just let his sorry bellybutton go because 60% of the country was willing to let him get away with it. Don't forget the deal he cut with the independent counsel his last week in oriface, you know the week he was pardoning mark rich. He gave up his law liscense to escape legal punishment remember?
BTW while we're on the subject. What happened to all those HYPOCRITE[/i] lying Democrats who said he should be punished after he's out of oriface but not while in oriface?????? What a disgusting lying cheating party the Democratic party has become, party of the people my ass. I don't know of 1 that has any honor at all.
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Funny thing was the "LEFT" comprised over 60% of this country. (check the polls) The GOP spent plenty of time and money to try to hang Clinton. (most expensive investigation in history of A.J. Office) The best they could do was catch him getting a hummer and denying it. And now they cry cause the playing field wasn't fair for them.........THE PEOPLE DECIDE THE PLAYING FIELD NOT THE MEDIA!
Hmmm... seems to me that the majority of "the people" believe what is fed to them on the nightly news.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Hmmm... seems to me that the majority of "the people" believe what is fed to them on the nightly news.
Are we just sheep? Is that the conservative line now? Poor us, we were tricked by that big bad media. Paaleeez!
Its possible that the people KNOW what they want, and didn't care that the President got his pipes cleaned. :cool:
And BTW...Impeachment is equivalent to Indictment. Impeachment is necessary to bring an elected official to trial. It is not equivalent to GUILT! He was not found guilty. The Reps didn't even all vote for conviction.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Are we just sheep? Is that the conservative line now? Poor us, we were tricked by that big bad media. Paaleeez!
Its possible that the people KNOW what they want, and didn't care that the President got his pipes cleaned. :cool:
And BTW...Impeachment is equivalent to Indictment. Impeachment is necessary to bring an elected official to trial. It is not equivalent to GUILT! He was not found guilty. The Reps didn't even all vote for conviction.
Dude you have got to share what you've been smoking. I've been looking for that perfect drug to help me escape reality, it seems that you have stumbled upon it.
Other than that your post is not worth replying too. If you're shallow enough to think it was all about sex, go ahead keep on believing that.
who else feels sorry for this line of thinking?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Are we just sheep? Is that the conservative line now? Poor us, we were tricked by that big bad media. Paaleeez!
Hehe... This is a first. Me, being accused of spouting the conservative line.
And yes... people are sheep.
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Originally posted by Udie at Work
Dude you have got to share what you've been smoking. I've been looking for that perfect drug to help me escape reality, it seems that you have stumbled upon it.
Other than that your post is not worth replying too. If you're shallow enough to think it was all about sex, go ahead keep on believing that.
who else feels sorry for this line of thinking?
LoL, Udie....good one. Sorry but I have been high on life only for well over 10 years now. Although there was a time when I had access to the winners of the "growers festival" in Humbolt County.
All you saw of my post is the middle (joke) paragraph. I was commenting on the hypocritical bias the conservatives have toward the PEOPLE. You want less government and more personal responsibility, but you disregard the will of the people and blame it on the MEDIA when the people disagree with your views.
Now that I have explained a little, does it seem more worthy? :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by midnight Target
LoL, Udie....good one. Sorry but I have been high on life only for well over 10 years now. Although there was a time when I had access to the winners of the "growers festival" in Humbolt County.
All you saw of my post is the middle (joke) paragraph. I was commenting on the hypocritical bias the conservatives have toward the PEOPLE. You want less government and more personal responsibility, but you disregard the will of the people and blame it on the MEDIA when the people disagree with your views.
Now that I have explained a little, does it seem more worthy? :rolleyes:
Worthy of a No :D
Actually most conservatives I know understand that government does have a role and want it to perform the role laid out by the constitution, not the socialistic BS that the left continually throws down our throats, that crap belongs in the states. Somewhere that has been lost....
What if the will of the people wished that all african americans were to be shipped back to africa? would you support the will of the people then? What if they wanted all homo's killed? Sometimes the will of the people is wrong... Though I don't know where you got that bit from.
thanks for not calling me a doper :D
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What? No SURPLUS!!!!
Another DEFICIT??
How can this be? The economy suddenly completely reversed itself on January 20, 2001 I guess.
There were certainly NO SIGNS AT ALL that the economy was starting to tank in 1999, now were there?
We must act!
I hereby volunteer to give 30% of my W-2 to the Government to spend as they see fit. I will neither suggest where they should spend it nor criticize their eventual spending decisions.
Who's with me?
Who'll willing give 30% of their pay to those flawless, altruistic legislators in DC to spend? Come on now.. you KNOW both sides of the aisle have only the good of the entire nation as the goal.
BTW, I want NO ADJUSTMENTS to income on this one... just 30% of your GROSS pay.
Who's with me?
Bound to totally reverse the recession, right? After all, if the GOVERNEMENT has more of your money, the recession instantly ends. It's in ALL the textbooks.
Let's DO IT!
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Yes, I am quite amazed at that, Toad. Too many think we would be living in a continued economic paradise under the tutelage of Al Gore and his "lock box". Our economy was in trouble last year (wonder why Greenspan kept fiddling with interest rates?), and 9/11 didn't make it any better. No man alive could keep the economy booming forever, and this is just a natural downturn. In fact, if it wasn't for the technology explosion of the 90's we would have seen a recession much sooner. We have finally come to the place where the installed technology has reached a plateau.
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Gentlemen, Gentlemen, Gentlemen...
HOURS have gone by since I made my post asking you to unite and send our honorable representatives in the House and Senate 30% of your gross income so that their incredibly wise spending decisions can end this horrible recession that started instantaneously on Jan. 20 of 2001.
I'm sure you realize that the "common" American is totally unable to spend his own money in a fashion that will benefit the economy.
Only the sage representatives of the "peepul" are capable of that sort of magic.
....yet not a single person has taken the pledge... other than myself, of course.
Stand To Gentlemen! Your Congressmen NEED your largess to spread around and insure their re-election.. oops, I meant to end the recession.
Let's see some names!