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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Shuckins on August 06, 2006, 10:36:41 PM
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I've seen this gesture somewhere before:
(http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/hizbollahsalute.jpg)
The origins of that salute lie in the history of one of the most notorious Muslim leaders of the twentieth century: Haj Amin al-Husseini, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.
Radical Muslim leader, and organizer of anti-Semitic violence in the British Palestinian Mandate, murderer of his Muslim enemies and moderates. He was expelled from Palestine in 1941, the Grand Mufti spent the war years as Hitler's guest in Berlin.
While there, he had a hand in the furtherance of the Final Solution, was a personal friend of Himmler, and organized an all-Muslim unit in the SS which massacred thousands of Jews and Christians in Bosnia.
Captured by the Allies at the end of World War II, he escaped from French captivity in Paris, fleeing to Cairo. From there, he spread his special mixture of Muslim religion and Nazi politics to other areas of the middle east. The Grand Mufti is considered to be the ideological godfather of Yassar Arafat, Gamal Abdel Nassar, Saddam Hussein, and other Muslim/fascist dictators of the latter half of the twentieth century.
(http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/bosnia6.gif)
(http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/bosnia1.gif)
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Where's a Daisy Cutter when you need one?
Or five or six.
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Dear Shuckins,
I find it surprising (please not the word surprising, in it's propper sense) that himmler would have an arab (non-aryan) as a personal friend. Not the kind of himler I remember reading about. Common interrests I can see, but that's about all I can envision.
Saw(the new open-minded Saw ;))
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You'll have to come up with a clever name for him like "Himler Haj" or something. It's all the rage these days.
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germany was allied with japan and italy
I do not recall seeing any 6ft blonde blue eyed italians or japanese ...
me thinks hitler would have had his "friends" taken care of when the time was right
here is more info on Haj Amin al-Husseini (http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_grand_mufti.php)
WOW - financed by the SS during ww2 - all the more reason to wonder why we handle these animals with kit gloves..
and HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husayni)
amazing - thanks Shuckins, I did not know this before
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You're welcome Eagler.
The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem's Hanzar SS troops are responsible for the killing of 90% of Bosnia's Jewish population.
Calling him Himmler's friend might have been a bit of a stretch, but he was definitely a collaborator in the formation and implementation of the Holocaust.
(http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/thumbnails/6-Mein%20Kampf_jpg_jpg_jpg.jpg)
This is a copy of Mein Kampf, published in Arabic, which is distributed to Palestinian school children by the Palestinian Authority.
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makes you wonder why this obvious tie to genocide isn't reported by our enlightened talking heads on the news networks
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Originally posted by Eagler
makes you wonder why this obvious tie to genocide isn't reported by our enlightened talking heads on the news networks
You can't be a victim and a genocidal maniac at the same time.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
The origins of that salute lie in the history of one of the most notorious Muslim leaders of the twentieth century: Haj Amin al-Husseini, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem...
It was the salute of the Roman Legion long before Haj Amin or Adolph.
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Originally posted by Eagler
makes you wonder why this obvious tie to genocide isn't reported by our enlightened talking heads on the news networks
It's either a vast and pervasive ongoing international media conspiracy or the propaganda website (http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/) that Shuckins lifts this stuff without attributing it doesn't tell the whole story. Which do you think is more likely?
Lots of Arab nationalists looked to the Nazis as a way of freeing themselves from French and British domination, not out of any particular sympathy for Nazi ideology. Certain Hindu nationalists in India did the same thing. Many of the same people later looked to the Soviet Union for the same reasons, which should be a good indicator that their main motivation was just political necessity.
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Oh, it's propaganda eh?
Tell ya what Momus...look it up yourself. I simply Googled the man's name and visited several web sites. There are even a few sponsored by Arabic organizations that portray this notorious anti-Semitic murderer as a great hero.
Evidently, you're dismissing out-of-hand the information I have posted.
Had this man not escaped from French custody he would have ended up at Nuremberg being tried for crimes against humanity.
Read the sites, if you're truly open-minded. This man's crimes are well-documented and attested to by testimony from some of the Nazis who worked with him.
He is NOT an admirable man whose reputation has been sullied by anti-Arab propaganda.
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What a shocker, an islamofacist with ties to the nazi party.... It cant possibly be true! Quick call the UN to save the day.... Appease them with cheese handouts before its to late...
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Originally posted by T0J0
What a shocker, an islamofacist with ties to the nazi party.... It cant possibly be true! Quick call the UN to save the day.... Appease them with cheese handouts before its to late...
UN: "I'm sorry, we're all out of cheese right now, how bout some oil?"
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i dont see how this makes him nassar's "ideological godfather"
nassar was working for the german in the second world war also
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Tell ya what Momus...look it up yourself.
Thanks but I already did, about fifteen years ago. I also bothered to at least try to understand the historical context of what I was reading; you should try that sometime.
Anything that presents an incomplete or distorted picture of events for the purpose of advancing an agenda is propaganda by definition. What is so hard to understand about that? For you, quite a lot apparently. You've already been called on it more than once in the last week and still you persist.
True, al-Husseini dealt with the Nazi's. So did many other anti-british figures of the time. That includes prominent jewish figures such as Avraham Stern, who approached the Nazis for an alliance in exchange for an eventual jewish state in Palestine even as the final solution was gathering pace. That's an episode the zionists don't mention much these days for some reason. There are other instances of zionist collaboration with the the Nazis if you care to look for them. This is the context the websites you like to quote omit to provide.
War makes for curious bedfellows. One only has to look at some of the foreign regimes that successive US adminstrations have aligned themselves with in the last 50 years to work that one out.
Originally posted by Debonair
i dont see how this makes him nassar's "ideological godfather"
It doesn't. It's an exageration intended to create a firm link between secular pan-arab nationalism and nazism that in reality is very tenuous.
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Well Momus, you've been called to task yourself for clinging to your own distortions during the last week.
Al-Husseini actively collaborated with the Nazis, and masterminded the massacre of the Jews in the Balkans. There is not doubt what-so-ever about that.
You haven't disproved these assertions. You've just side-tracked the debate by mentioning other people who courted the Nazis. But not all of them practiced genocide.
Refute the statements I have made. Prove that the Grand Mufti did not do what every Allied nation believed he was guilty of doing. Had he not escaped, he would have been tried and hung, and we wouldn't be having this discussion.
And the connection between Husseini and the dictators of the middle east is not tenuous. The man was extremely active in helping to form much of the political policies of the muslim nations of the middle east.
The Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry's report dated April 20, 1946 says: "The flight of the Mufti, to Italy and Germany, and his active support of the Axis, did not lose for him his following, and he is probably the most popular Arab leader in Palestine today."
A Yassar Arafat interview conducted by the Arabic language newspaper Al Sharq al-Awsat stated:
Interviewer: "I have heard voices from within the Palestinian authority in the past few weeks, saying that the reforms are coordinated according to American whims..."
Arafat: "We are not Afghanistan! We are the mighty people!. Were they able to replace our hero Hajj Amin al-Husseini? There a number of attempts to get rid of Hajj Amin, whom they considered an ally of the Nazis. But even so, he lived in Cairo, and participated in the 1948 war, and I was one of his troops."
John Marlowe stated: "The dominant figure in Palestine during the Mandate years was neither an Egyptian nor a Jew, but an Arab, Hajj Amin Muhammed al-Husseini...able, ambitious, ruthless, humourless, and incorruptible, he was the authentic stuff of which dictators are made."
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Well Momus, you've been called to task yourself for clinging to your own distortions during the last week.
Actually no. I pointed out a number of innacuracies in your posts in this thread. (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=184227) You then either backtracked or waffled. What did I distort?
Al-Husseini actively collaborated with the Nazis, and masterminded the massacre of the Jews in the Balkans. There is not doubt what-so-ever about that.
And where did I deny that?
Refute the statements I have made. Prove that the Grand Mufti did not do what every Allied nation believed he was guilty of doing. Had he not escaped, he would have been tried and hung, and we wouldn't be having this discussion.
That's a great straw man you're attacking. The point I made was that even certain jews were willing to deal with the Nazi's, because it suited their own political agenda, just like Al-Husseini. It is relevant in this context because it demonstrates that elements on the side whose cause you are trying to advance would have also dealt with the nazis if given the chance to advance their agenda thus.
And the connection between Husseini and the dictators of the middle east is not tenuous. The man was extremely active in helping to form much of the political policies of the muslim nations of the middle east.
No. You are overstating his post war influence massively. After WW2 he was a spent force. The Arab League rejected most if not all of his proposals on Palestine as well as taking his military away from him. No arab state wanted to fund him, and he was banned from returning to Jersulaem by the Jordanians.
John Marlowe stated: "The dominant figure in Palestine during the Mandate years was neither an Egyptian nor a Jew, but an Arab, Hajj Amin Muhammed al-Husseini...able, ambitious, ruthless, humourless, and incorruptible, he was the authentic stuff of which dictators are made."
The arab dictatorships to which you refer actually took shape at least one or two decades after the period you are describing. Yes, Al-Husseini was popular in palestine both pre and immediately post-ww2, but you are mistaking personal popularity with political power. After the war when Nasser emerged in Egypt and the Ba'athists in Iraq and Syria, his influence over events and policy amounted to little if nothing. Arab leaders who wished to invoke the cause of palestinian liberation paid him lip service to further their personal agendas, but nothing more. The fact is that the mufti was actually only a minor influence on the Arab Nationalism that characterised the post-war regimes.
Figures like Michel Aflaq, Salah al-Din al-Bitar and Sati al-Husri along with Nasser himself were hugely more influential in this regard than Al-Husseini. The sources you draw on are inflating Al-Husseini's influence because of his nazi connections, whilst disregarding other more significant influences of a less lurid nature.
That's why they're just propaganda.
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Heil Hezbollah..!
Religion is the true path to a quick and meaningless death.
Sieg Heil !..!