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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: 68Turbo on August 07, 2006, 06:40:38 PM
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These are the planes in my opinon that need to be added the most, because most of them played great roles in WWII.
LaGG
La-3
MiG-3
Yak 1
Yak 3
Yak 5
Yak 7
He-111
Ju-52
I know this post isn't very argumentative but please, HTC, at least make the 111 and MiG-3, those are the ones I really want the most.
I probably would add more but I cant think right now cause I'm eating skittles. :rolleyes:
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Mig 3
P-39
I.A.R. 81c
B-25
and the PBY.
That is it, end of list.
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Judy Judy Judy.
-Sik
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Stratofortress, Ju52 (would be a nice alternative to the C47), and is the Zero Fighter already in? I cant seem to find it.
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"Betty"
Pe 2
Do 17
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Originally posted by Cmdr Chicken
Stratofortress, Ju52 (would be a nice alternative to the C47), and is the Zero Fighter already in? I cant seem to find it.
I don't think that the B-52 dates to our time period. Oh, and there are two Zeros in the game. We do, however, need the A6M3 to fill the gap in the Zeke lineup.
My regards,
Widewing
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I-16
He-111
ki-43 (the one with 2 12.7mm atleast, preferably the one wit 2 20mm, OMG Ki-43!)
b-25 (all of em)
judy (as i hear so often)
b-29 (perked like hell, say 1k, and with the option of carrying Tallboys and the like, or maybe a bunch of 4000 pounders)
P-39
sum sort of russian bomber
D.520 (atleast this one french plane!!!)
Amiot 354
there, that should do it for now
O! don't forget sum sort of plane to pick up bailed comrades!
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My new list....
LaGG
La-3
MiG-3
Yak 1
Yak 3
Yak 5
Yak 7
He-111
Ju-52
B-25
B-29
P-39
Pe-2
Pe-8
I-16
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Originally posted by 68Turbo
My new list....
LaGG
La-3
MiG-3
Yak 1
Yak 3
Yak 5
Yak 7
He-111
Ju-52
B-25
B-29
P-39
Pe-2
Pe-8
I-16
Judy Judy Judy
-Sik
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France:
D.520: France's best fighter, good enough to perk farm with and useful in scenarios.
Germany:
Do217/He177A-5/Ju188A-2: Gives the Germans a mid war bomber, filling a gap.
Me410: Interesting and fun German multi-role aircraft
Finland:
Brewster B239 Buffalo: The Finnish community deserves a bone.
Italy:
C.R. 42: Fills the need for an early war Italian fighter, also would be fun in that it is a biplane.
S.M. 79-II: Main WWII Italian bomber.
Japan:
A6M3: Mid war Japanese Navy fighter, fills gap in A6M lineup.
B6N2: Mid war Japanese torpedo bomber, gives the Japanese a competent torpedo bomber.
D4Y2: Mid war Japanese dive bomber, gives the Japanese a competent dive bomber.
G4M2: Early war Japanese bomber, fills a gap.
J2M3: Mid war Japanese Navy Interceptor, fleshes out Japanese planeset and fills a gap.
Ki-43-II: Early war Japanese Army Fighter, fills a gap.
Ki-44-II-Otsu: Mid war Japanese Army interceptor, fleshes out Japanese planeset and fills gap.
Ki-61-I-Ko or Ki-61-I-Otsu: Mid war Japanese Army fighter, fleshes out Japanese planeset and fills gap.
Soviet Union:
LaGG-3: Early war Lachovkin fighter, fills gap in Lahovkin lineup.
I-16-24: Early war Russian fighter, fills gap.
Pe-2: Mid war Russian bomber, fills gap.
SB-2: Early war Russian bomber, fills gap.
Tu-2: Late war Russian bomber, fills gap.
Yak-1: Early Yakolev fighter, fills gap in Yakolev lineup.
Yak-7: Early-mid war Yakolev fighter, fills gap in Yakolev lineup.
United Kingdom:
Beaufighter: Early-Mid war RAF attack plane, fills gap.
Firefly: Adds a RN attack plane, filling a gap.
Mosquito B.Mk IV: Early Mosquito bomber, fills gap in Mosquito lineup.
Mosquito B.Mk XVI: Late war Mosquito bomber, fills gap in Mosquito lineup and adds a new perk bomber.
Wellington B.Mk III: Early war RAF bomber, fills a large gap.
United States:
B-17E or F: Earlier B-17, fills a gap in the B-17 lineup.
B-25C or D: Early war American bomber, fills a large gap.
F6F-3: Earier F6F model, fills gap in F6F lineup.
P-39D and Q: Widely used American fighter, broadly useful.
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Once again, see the wish list. But what we need is:
1 Re 2005
2 Fiat G55 and/or G55II
Two of the best fighters in the European theater, limited production due to allied bombing, but both saw action.
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Originally posted by Karnak
blah blah blah
D4Y2: Mid war Japanese dive bomber, gives the Japanese a competent dive bomber.
yakity yakity yak
Now we're talkin' :)
-Sik
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Originally posted by captkaos
Once again, see the wish list. But what we need is:
1 Re 2005
2 Fiat G55 and/or G55II
Two of the best fighters in the European theater, limited production due to allied bombing, but both saw action.
Both are insignificant. You call lists that fill holes "wishlists" and then say we "need" things that saw practically no service.
Methinks you have reversed the terms in your mind.
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Focke-Wulf Condor
Mig-3
He-111
He-162
Glostor Meteor
B-25
Ju-52
Twin Mustang
HurriCat (Sea Hurricane)
Back me up on this one guys :P
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Focke-Wulf Condor
Worse than a Ju88. Mossie food. No need.
Mig-3
Rare, high altitude Soviet fighter. No need.
He-111
Nice, but currently redundant.
He-162
One or two kills, extreme tail end jet. No need.
Glostor Meteor
Limited combat time, not needed.
B-25
B-25C or B-25D are needed.
Ju-52
Would be nice, but not as nice as many think.
Twin Mustang
Korean war unit, not needed in any way, shape or form.
HurriCat (Sea Hurricane)
Nice, but not needed. Was rare.
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My List
France:
D.520
Amiot 354
Curtiss P-36
Germany:
Do-17z
Do-217
Ju-188
Ju-52
He-111
Japan:
Ki-43
Ki-44 Shoki Tojo
G4M
Italy:
CR-42
Re2001
Piaggio P.108
SM.79 Sparviero
American:
P40N
B17F
B25C
B24D
A-26
RAF:
Gloster Gladiator
Halifax
Wellington
Westland Whirlwind (1938 2 engined fighter with a top speed of 360mph, and was faster than a spit at low alt, was highly manoeuvrable, and had 4 20mm cannons in the nose.) Due to engine problems at the beginning of its service only 2 squadrons used them. Maybe a perk for this early war fighter?
Russia:
Pe-8
Pe-2
I-16
Mig-3
Tu-2
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Yeah, probably many years from now, Aces High II (or whatever the name will be) may turn out to be so complex, with so many different planes, that you would be able to reenact almost any small, fairly unknown battles in the SEA. I'm focusing on the really popular planes, ones that people have probably heard of, Karnaks list is the one that I would probably agree with most. Only the American F's, P's, the British Spits and partially the Hurricanes (we could use more), and the German Fw's, and Bf's, are just about the only panes that have an early-late war lineup. And that would probably be AHII's greatest asset if HTC could make most of the planes like that. So this is currently my list....
LaGG
La-3
MiG-3
Yak 1
Yak 3
Yak 5
Yak 7
He-111
Ju-52
B-25
B-29
P-39D and Q
Pe-2
Pe-8
I-16
D.520
VG-33
M.S.406
Bloch MB.162
Bloch MB.175
^Your opinion on those, I thought they were alright additions for French
A6M3
B6N2
D4Y2
G4M2
J2M3
Ki-43-II
Ki-44-II
Ki-61-I-Otsu
Beaufighter
Firefly
Mossy B. IV
Mossy B. XVI
B17-E
F6F-3
Sea Hurricane Mk. IC
Hurricane Mk. V
Hurricane Mk. IV (maybe)
Boy, HTC has a lot of work to do.... :huh :O :furious :cry :aok
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B29
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B29 is in there, lol.
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F7F
F8F
B29
That is all.
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B-32 Dominator
(http://www.b-36peacemakermuseum.org/Images/b32_fly.jpg)
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Did the B-32 have combat missions in WW2, or just patrol like most unknown bombers?
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With the size of that thing, probably patrol.
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(http://www.xs4all.nl/~ericdee/pag0/yf23-01.jpg)
YEAH BABY!!!!!!
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Operational History:
The first assignment of the B-32 began when General George Kenney the commander of Allied air forces in the South West Pacific Area, and commander of the U.S. Fifth Air Force, travelled to Washington D.C. to request B-29s. Since needs were higher elsewhere in the Pacific Theatre, Kenney’s request was denied. After that, he requested the B-32. Following a demonstration, the Army General Staff agreed that he could conduct a combat evaluation, and a test schedule of eleven missions was set up. If successful, the B-32 would replace all B-24s in the Pacific. The plan was to convert the 312th Bombardment Group (Light), a Douglas A-20 Havoc outfit, to B-32s. Special crews took three B-32s to Clark Field, Luzon, Philippine Islands in mid-May 1945, and after a month of minor shakedown flights, the test period was completed on the 17 June. The test crews were impressed with its unique reversible-pitch inboard propellers and the Davis wing which gave it excellent landing performance. However, they found the cockpit had an extremely high noise level, poor instrument layout, the bombardier's vision was poor, it was overweight and the nacelle design resulted in frequent engine fires.
Three B-32s were assigned to the 386th Bomb Squadron of the 312th Bomb Group of the Kenney’s 5th Air Force. On 1945 May 29, the first mission was flown against a supply depot at Antatet in the Philippines. On the 15 June 1944 two B-32's dropped sixteen 2,000 pound (907 kg) bombs on a sugar mill at Taito, Formosa. On the 22 June 1944 one of two B-32s bombed an alcohol plant at Heito, Formsoa with 500 pound bombs (227 kg) but the second B-32 missed flak positions with its 260-pound (118 kg) fragmentation bombs. The last mission was flown on June 25 against bridges near Kiirun in Taiwan. The testing missions were mostly successful, and the B-32 was set up to replace the B-24. In July the 386th Bomb Squadron completed the transition. It flew six combat missions using the B-32 before the war ended. On the 13 August 1945 the 386th moved from Luzon to Yontan airstrip on Okinawa and flew mostly photographic reconnaissance missions. On August 17 the 386th Squadron conducted a mission over Japan, and was attacked by flak and fighters. Despite the Japanese surrender on August 15, on August 18 a formation of 14 Japanese Imperial Navy A6M2 Zero's and Army Ki44 Tojo fighters attacked a pair of B-32's conducting aerial photography of the Japanese Islands. The B-32-CO Dominator "Hobo Queen II" (s/n 42-108532) suffered extensive damage during the attack. Three photographers in "Hobo Queen II", Sergeant Anthony J. Marchione, SSgt. Joseph M. Lacharite, and Sgt. John T. Houston were at the camera hatch at the rear of the aircraft when that section of the plane was riddled with gunfire. Despite his own wounds, SSgt. Lacharite began administering first aid to the badly wounded Sgt. Marchione, but a second fighter pass wounded Marchione again. Despite continuing efforts from his crewmates to keep him alive, Sgt. Marchione died on the aircraft. This was the last confirmed aerial engagement of the Second World War, and Sgt. Marchione was the last confirmed Allied combat casuality of the war. "Hobo Queen II" claimed two confirmed Zeros destroyed in the action as well as a probable Tojo. Following this incident U.S. servicemen would be ordered to cut the propellers off any Japanese aircraft they found.
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I dont think we need anymore la's or yaks but the Mig-3 would be awesome.
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B-25? Why? We already have the B-26 which is rather close in usablility.
Probably the same kind of pair as Ju88 and He111. The other is enough.
I'd like to see early Russian fighters, too.
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Glostor Meteor
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Limited combat time, not needed."
Did get used as much even as some aircraft we have.
Would fill a gap between the prop planes and the 262, and become the 262's only true threat apart from the 163.
Then of course, Lagg, I-16, CR42 (doesn't go without Gladiator), Beaufighter, He 111, D520, Firefly, Hayabusha, Tu-2, B-25, P39/63 and more.
BTW, I didn't mention any of the "family members" that we have, such as La and Yak etc....
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Lol, toad, you know those are F-23's, right? The F-22 is what the U.S. military flies, lol. And, Diablo, I'm guessing that you're saying that the B-32 was a bomber, but was not that good, therefore limiting its number of bombing missions in late WWII, and instead making it more useful as a patrol planes to scout the Japanese islands. ;)
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yes thats the YF-23 blackwodow. it was the other prototype opposite to the YF-22 raptor. it was made by northtrop-grumman, and mcdonnell. whereas the f-22 was made by lockheed, and rockwell. i know
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Time for the Brewster (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52235)? :)
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Asking what plane is needed most begs the question... where? In the MA?
Most of the planes I'm seeing listed here would be hanger queens in the MA - limited usage, mostly by enthusiasts, and probably would be meat for most of the LA-7, Niki, 1944-45 fighter flying club that we see most nights.
Not that I wouldn't try out a Gloster Gladiator, or Fiat CR42, but how long can I reasonably expect to survive in one? Sure, I'd love to be taking off B-25s from a CV and trying a Doolittle raid, but I don't have much hope of getting home in a sky full of LA-7s and Nikis, and I'll be carrying the same 2K bombload as an Avenger (another hanger queen).
Since that (IMHO) is the case, why not feed that hunger first and get some new action going in the MA. My list is the 4th Qtr '45 list, and I'd expect them all to be perked:
USA:
F7F Tigercat (would've seen service if the war hadn't ended)
F8F Bearcat (delivered into squadrons prior to wars end)
P-80A (delivered before wars end in Europe, and would be an interesting match against the Me-262).
B-29A (conventional bombs only, and good luck getting them to target if you are under 25K).
Edit: Add the P-51H for you Mustang enthusiasts - lighter, faster, stronger than your old D models, and plenty built by wars end...)
UK:
Gloster Meteor Mk.III (saw operational service folks, we just never got the jet battle with the 262 that everyone was anticipating).
Spitfire F.21 (lets just see what the ultimate development of the spitfire was like...)
Germany:
Do-335 Arrow (some were delivered before war's end, and I for one would like to see what it would've done against a horde of bombers...)
He-162 Volksjager (delivered in 45, with operational training and even a report of action before wars end)
Me-262A-2 (why not lets see if the 262 can be used as a fighter-bomber, and lets see about those fat R4M rockets vs bomber streams too...)
Japan:
Ki-100 (Plenty were used, and it is arguably the best japanese piston-engined fighter of the war).
Perk 'em all, and let God (and the carnage that is the MA) sort 'em out.
EagleDNY
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:aok
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Ki-100's performance is markedly inferior to the Ki-84's. The thing it had going for it was that it was reliable in 1945. Reliability is not an issue in AH, thus the Ki-84 is just plain better.
Ki-100's top speed: 336mph.
There are a great many Japanese planes that we should have before the Ki-100.
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IAR-80
IAR-80A
IAR-80B
IAR-80C
IAR-80DC
IAR-81
IAR-81A
IAR-81B
IAR-81C
IAR-81M
:D
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You might make a case for a J2M5 Raiden or something like that. Like a lot of late-war axis development, the goal was stopping hi-altitude bombing raids, so the planes aren't really designed for furballing (Ta-152 anyone?).
I'm a Ki-84 fan myself, but I do have to admit that it lacks controllability at high speed. From what I've read, the Ki-100, although slower during level flight, was supposedly able to dive with Mustangs and P47Ns and maintain the speed on pullout. I can't think of any other Japanese ride that was said to be able to do that (and I sure can't do it in my Ki-84). I'm also thinking Ki-100-II (if you are going to pay the perks, you might as well get the supercharged variant), which had better high altitude performace.
We're sort of limited in the 4Q45 Japanese list - the Japanese variants of the Me262 and Me163 would've been the other candidates, but they seemed to have a lot of problems which kept them in the prototype stage of development. The Ki-100 was about the only thing I could think of to give the Japanese flyers a decent ride. You notice I didn't find anything for the Soviet flyers in the 4Q45 list - if we ever went 1946 maybe they'd get a Mig-9.
EagleDNY
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From what I've read, the Ki-100, although slower during level flight, was supposedly able to dive with Mustangs and P47Ns and maintain the speed on pullout. I can't think of any other Japanese ride that was said to be able to do that (and I sure can't do it in my Ki-84).
Ki-61 can outdive a P-47, and climb with a P-38 if you are coming out of the dive when you start.
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Originally posted by Treize69
Ki-61 can outdive a P-47, and climb with a P-38 if you are coming out of the dive when you start.
True, but a Ki-100 is the same airframe with a higher power radial engine. As I said, there isn't much else to give the IJAAF pilots in the MA in a late 1945 planeset.
EagleDNY
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If you're only looking for a plane to compete in the MA, I've got 2 for you:
Yak-9UT
Yak-3
As for Japan, they have pretty much run their Late war, MA super-fighters. The Ki-100 isn't going to give them much if anything. The Raiden would be nice for events, but in the MA shouldn't offer much if any advantage over the current crop of IJ fighters. Now don't get me wrong, I think that J2M would be a great addition for events and endorse it as such. But if we're talking about the MA exclusively, I feel that it will fall squarly into the catagory you previously defined: Most of the planes I'm seeing listed here would be hanger queens in the MA - limited usage, mostly by enthusiasts, and probably would be meat for most of the LA-7, Niki, 1944-45 fighter flying club that we see most nights.
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-Sik
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Oh, and:
Judy Judy Judy.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Treize69
IAR-80
IAR-80A
IAR-80B
IAR-80C
IAR-80DC
IAR-81
IAR-81A
IAR-81B
IAR-81C
IAR-81M
:D
My man! We'll get em to get it yet!
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"Me-262A-2 (why not lets see if the 262 can be used as a fighter-bomber, and lets see about those fat R4M rockets vs bomber streams too...)"
Yep :aok
And then the Meteor III :D
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hate these kind of posts, cos everybody post mega lists of planes..
why not put " anything thats not german or american" there you go, fixed
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Loved the yak 3 in FA pretty little plane seen it at duxford before too and it is quick and agile.
There are gaps in the Soviet and Japanese Planeset bombers and fighters.
Tu-2, Pe8, betty, j2m3, ki100, KI84 with 30mm option.
Oh and spit 21 would be really good so people can stop whining about the 16 lol
Bruv
~S~
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Karnaks list would make the most sense. If we ever got it scenarios would rock.
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I agree Shifty, Karnak's list is the most comprehensive at filling in the huge gaps in the planeset.
Four additions I would make would be,
British:
Gloster Gladiator ( The historical match over Malta)
Swordfish
American:
Brewster F2A1 / F2A2 (A1 would be the equal of the 233, and A2 is over Midway)
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After spending many hours pouring over the lists above, and carefully doing statistical analysis of everybody's wishes and wants, I've determined that all of the lists can be boile down to the following two aircraft which WILL be the next ones added to Aces high:
P-39
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B-25
Anything other than these are simply not needed and no further discussion on this subject will be tolerated.
Thank you for your participation in the above determination process - we willl get back to you when they are ready.
Aces High Development Staff
:D
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AH2 is very lacking on the eastern front planeset, especially early war.
VVS:
Pe2
DB3
I16
LaGG3
La5
P39Q
Yak1 or Yak7
Yak9M (1x20mm cannon, easy to convert from current Yak9T)
FAF:
Brewster
Curtiss Hawk 75
LW:
Ju87D5 (with 2x20mm cannons)
If I could only pick two planes, those would be I16 and Brewster. That would produce the best ever dogfights in AvA and events, not to mention king of the hill. :)
Camo
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I just have to point out again that the early war rides are going to be hanger queens in the MA, where the bulk of the action is going on. The late war/4Q45 rides will at least get some use in the MA, which might justify all the modelling/programming/skinning effort that it will take to bring them to us.
EagleDNY
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Originally posted by EagleDNY
I just have to point out again that the early war rides are going to be hanger queens in the MA, where the bulk of the action is going on. The late war/4Q45 rides will at least get some use in the MA, which might justify all the modelling/programming/skinning effort that it will take to bring them to us.
EagleDNY
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If the emphasis of the game is changing from MA to CT, this won't be very convincing. Given the resources that have gone into CT developement thus far, I imagine that at leats 50% of future Aircraft releases will have some role in wherever CT is headed. And if CT ever makes it to the Pacific... well: Judy Judy Judy (and all that).
-Sik
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Originally posted by Sikboy
If the emphasis of the game is changing from MA to CT, this won't be very convincing. Given the resources that have gone into CT developement thus far, I imagine that at leats 50% of future Aircraft releases will have some role in wherever CT is headed. And if CT ever makes it to the Pacific... well: Judy Judy Judy (and all that).
-Sik
Until we actually SEE and PLAY the CT, it is a little hard to judge what the emphasis should be. If they release CT and 90% of the player base stays in the MA, what then should the emphasis be? There's a lot of "furballers" in the MA that might not be that interested in CT. If only 50% of the base moves over to CT, does that mean that the 50% in the MA get ignored?
That said, there isn't anything that prevents HT from releasing say 1 new ride every other month or so, or revamping an existing ride to the new flight model and skins. If 50% of these updates are for the CT, and 50% are late war rides for the MA that would be fine. I'd just like to see something for the MA, especially since until the actual release of CT, the MA is definitely where the action is. I just hope that HTC realizes where the bread is buttered at the moment.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'll be one of the first to try out the CT when it gets released. Until that happens, I think that HT would be wise to keep working on improving the MA, and it's been awhile since I've seen anything new.
EagleDNY
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I also like Karnak's list, but I would add:
Soviet Union:
Mig series - this entire section of aviation history is missing from the Russian aircraft line-up.
Germany:
He-111 & Do-17 - both of these fill an early war bomber gap that the Ju-88A-4 is substituting. The He-111 was also used as a troop and cargo transport and would better server than the Ju-54. Both were produced in large numbers and many saw action in the BoB.
USA:
I like the idea of the other B-25 variants, but to what purpose? We don't have the B-29, a late war bomber extensively used in the last part of the pacific war.
Weapon options:
Incendiary weapons - was used extensively, all we have now are just iron bombs for aircraft? What if I just want to burn the airfield?
Mines - what about mine layers and sweepers for both land and sea? Couldn't some bombers and aircraft drop mines?
Artillery units - missing like a 1 mile hole in the ground.
HE/AP/ + Incendiary - rounds for aircraft like the same for tanks.
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Originally posted by EagleDNY
Until we actually SEE and PLAY the CT, it is a little hard to judge what the emphasis should be. If they release CT and 90% of the player base stays in the MA, what then should the emphasis be? There's a lot of "furballers" in the MA that might not be that interested in CT. If only 50% of the base moves over to CT, does that mean that the 50% in the MA get ignored?
That said, there isn't anything that prevents HT from releasing say 1 new ride every other month or so, or revamping an existing ride to the new flight model and skins. If 50% of these updates are for the CT, and 50% are late war rides for the MA that would be fine. I'd just like to see something for the MA, especially since until the actual release of CT, the MA is definitely where the action is. I just hope that HTC realizes where the bread is buttered at the moment.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'll be one of the first to try out the CT when it gets released. Until that happens, I think that HT would be wise to keep working on improving the MA, and it's been awhile since I've seen anything new.
EagleDNY
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In some respects I agree with you. However there are a lot of players who fly the special events right now. many of the early planes on Karnaks list would improve SE's right now.
More late model planes would be good as well. I'm sure people are tired of screaming about LA-7s, Spit 16's and such. They need new whine.
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OR, if any of you wish to brush up on historical match-ups in prepartion for the CT, why not fly the AvA for a while? ;)
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P-35
P-36 Hawk
P-39 Airacobra
P-43 Lancer
P-63 Kingcobra
Brewster F2A Buffalo
TBD-1 Devastator
SB2C Helldiver
PBY
PBM Mariner
PV-1 Ventura
Martin Baltimore
B-25 (all versions)
A-26 Invader
Avro Anson Mk.1
Fairey Swordfish & Barracuda
Fairey Battle
Fairey Firefly
Bristole Blenheim, Beaufort & Beaufighter
Gloster Gladiator & Meteor
Boulton Paul Defiant
Hadley Page Hampden & Halifax
Vickers Wellington
Westland Wirlwind
Short Stirling
Arado Ar.196
He.111
Do.17
Fw.189
Fw.200
Bv.138
Me.410
He.219
He.162
He.100 & 112
Cant Z.506
Fiat B.R.20 - G.55 -
SIAI Marchetti S.M.79
Reggiane Re.2000 - 2001 - 2002 - 2005
Imam Ro.57
M.S.406
LeO 451
Bloch MB-152
Caudron C.714
D.520
Arsenal VG-33
F.F.V.S. J 22
Saab 18
I.A.R 80
Myrsky II
Fokker D.XXI
Brewster 239 (engine up-grade & lighter)
A5M
Ki-27
A6M2-N
H6K4
CA-3 Wirraway
CA-11 Woomera
CA-12 Boomerang
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Oh, i thought the theatre headline was "The planes we truly need most". not "What planes are still missing?".
Imho some russian planes are badly missing, like the I-16, Ya1/7, Yak3, Mig3, Lagg3, but also the P39 and Ki-43 was pretty important planes in WWII.
Regarding bombers, of course the He111, Blenheim and Pe-2, but also the Ju87G(allieds already have their tank hunter).
Out of this i miss the early VVS fighters( i count the P39 to them) most!!
Greetings,
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iirc, the I-17 & I-14 were in the war with te Finn Land & about a dozen I-185s were in combat trials.
n33333d them!!!11
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I'd like to see these beauties modeled and flyable. The KI-45 would be an especially interesting addition to the planeset:
(http://everquest2.247xtreme.com/albums/userpics/10028/Ki-45%2BB-29.jpg)
And of course, one of my favorite rides which would be nifty to fight in, and a competitive plane in the LW arena vs the a/c available there. Meet the Kingcobra:
(http://everquest2.247xtreme.com/albums/userpics/10028/p63-plate1.jpg)
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a japanese 110 that ki45 is, :aok possibly more maneuverable too, as it was lighter i believe and not much slower either
ok i've heard of and flown (in various sims) the p-39D and p-39Q airocobra
but this is the first time i've heard of the "Kingcobra"
...elaborate
-Boss Yoshimbo
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Kingcobra = P63
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The Northrop P-61 Black Widow had four fixed twenty millimeter cannons and four fifty caliber machine guns, all of which could be fired by the pilot. It also had an on-board radar. The P-61 was remarkably gentle in the stall, and had unparalleled one engine stability. It had a tighter sustained turning circle than the P-51, P-47, and F-4U, although pilots complained about insufficient speed and poor roll rate.
(http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/URG/images/p61-1.jpg)
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i'm a big fan for te P-61 too, but i think it's unique control surface arrangment would make a much more tough than normal job for te software doods.
also it is too good & would pwn every1 all te time even if a total n00b was 'flying' & the would have to change names from "aces high ii" to "black widows high, everone else pwnd in a smoking crater v1.4"
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Originally posted by Yoshimbo
a japanese 110 that ki45 is, :aok possibly more maneuverable too, as it was lighter i believe and not much slower either
ok i've heard of and flown (in various sims) the p-39D and p-39Q airocobra
but this is the first time i've heard of the "Kingcobra"
...elaborate
-Boss Yoshimbo
(http://us.airliners.net/photos/middle/2/6/4/0288462.jpg)
Bell P-63A "Kingcobra", 1942
A favorite with the Soviet Air Force, the P-63 was distinguished by and aft mounted engine that drove the propeller by a hollow 10 foot shaft through which a 37mm cannon could be fired.
P-63 began as improved P-39, redesigned around the new NACA laminar-flow wing, basic airfoil section used in P-51, and a new Continental engine intended to replace the Allison. Wings tested on thr3ee modified P- 39Ds resulting in a go-ahead for 2 prototype XP-63s ordered 27 Jun 41. Deliveries began Oct 43. Of 3,303 built, 2,421 went to USSR, 300 to Free French, and others were RP-63 "Flying Pinball Machines" target aircraft with heavy armor, fired at by gunners in training using frangible bullets; a light would flash on the aircraft when hit. Lacked range and altitude of contemporary fighters. Without ballast in the nose, or comparable weight of ammunition for cannon, center of gravity went too far aft and made handling difficult.
(http://us.airliners.net/photos/middle/2/4/9/0698942.jpg)
Bell P-63F Kingcobra
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?aircraft_genericsearch=Bell%20P-63%20Kingcobra&distinct_entry=true (http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?aircraft_genericsearch=Bell%20P-63%20Kingcobra&distinct_entry=true)
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OMFG that thing is [SIZE=9]huge[/SIZE]!!!!11 :O :O :O :O kewl
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Only a handful of Kingcobras joined VVS regiments in the European theatre during WWII. However, the Airacobras were much used (and liked) by the Soviets, and were in use from 1942 to 1945 (and even post-war). See Geust & Petrov: Red Stars vol. 4 (Lend-Lease Aircraft in Russia), ISBN 952-5026-23-X.
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The P-63 was a fast airplane - its performance approaching that of the P-51 - but since the P-51 and P-47 were in full production, about 2,400 of the 3,303 P-63s produced were sent to the Soviet Union under the Lend-Lease act. France used some in Indo-China after the end of World War II.
The P-63D was the "hottest" Cobra yet to appear, with a maximum speed of 437 mph at 30,000 feet. Although the P-63D had a good performance, it was no better than the North American P-51D Mustang which was already in service.
Specification of Bell P-63D Kingcobra:
Powerplant: One Allison V-1710-109 (E22) water-cooled engine rated at 1425 hp for take off.
Performance: Maximum speed was 437 mph at 30,000 feet, service ceiling was 39,000 feet, and an altitude of 28,000 feet could be reached in 11.2 minutes. Normal range was 950 miles, and maximum ferry range was 2000 miles.
Dimensions: wingspan 39 feet 2 inches, length 32 feet 8 inches, height 11 feet 2 inches, and wing area 255 square feet. Weights: 7076 pounds empty, 8740 pounds gross, and 11,100 pounds maximum loaded.
Armament: One 37-mm M9E1 cannon in the propeller hub with 48 rounds, a pair of 0.50-inch machine guns in the forward fuselage synchronized to fire through the propeller arc, plus a single 0.50-inch machine gun in each of two underwing gondolas
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vader....... gimee a vader......please....... :cool:
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Originally posted by Debonair
also it is too good & would pwn every1 all te time even if a total n00b was 'flying' & the would have to change names from "aces high ii" to "black widows high, everone else pwnd in a smoking crater v1.4"
No, the aircraft had several flaws as a fighter, which is one of the reasons it was not used as a normal fighter. First, it lacked performance; the speed was more reminiscent of a P-40 or P-39 than a P-38 or P-51. Then, too, the roll rate was "nothing to write home about," in the words of one Black Widow pilot. In other words, it rolled like a swamped barge. That was the reason for the spoilerons; draggy and inefficient, their presence on the P-61 was a desperate attempt to improve the roll rate. And do not forget that the rotating turret caused turbulence problems, especially on the early models. Lastly, you almost can't miss the thing when shooting at it. I fly P-38 in the simulator and it's hard enough dodging a shot in that. I can't imagine flying something the size of a B-25.
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you can find something bad to say about almost every combat plane, but The Black Widow's undefeated combat record IMHO contradicts it's detractors
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Originally posted by Debonair
you can find something bad to say about almost every combat plane, but The Black Widow's undefeated combat record IMHO contradicts it's detractors
Not really. It came too late and saw too light of use to get a really good read on it.
It is a very neat aircraft, and a good one, but I don't think it is nearly as good as it's proponents like to make it out to be. It certainly wasn't the best nightfighter of the war.
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
No, the aircraft had several flaws as a fighter, which is one of the reasons it was not used as a normal fighter. First, it lacked performance; the speed was more reminiscent of a P-40 or P-39 than a P-38 or P-51. Then, too, the roll rate was "nothing to write home about," in the words of one Black Widow pilot. In other words, it rolled like a swamped barge. That was the reason for the spoilerons; draggy and inefficient, their presence on the P-61 was a desperate attempt to improve the roll rate. And do not forget that the rotating turret caused turbulence problems, especially on the early models. Lastly, you almost can't miss the thing when shooting at it. I fly P-38 in the simulator and it's hard enough dodging a shot in that. I can't imagine flying something the size of a B-25.
It was a night fighter Benny, not a day fighter. It was fast enough and later models were very fast. Roll rate was ok for its size, managing 50 degrees/sec at 350 mph. It could turn circles around any late-war day fighter in US service. More importantly, it was very well armed and was used for interdiction attacks on enemy ground targets, day and night. Their air to air record didn't generate huge kill totals, but it no P-61 was lost to enemy aircraft in combat.
In the MA it could do anything the A-20G can do and do it much better.
My regards,
Widewing
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G.55/O
G.55/I
G.55/S
G.56
G.55A
I truly want to fly a beautiful big fighter which similar to 109 but stronger and got 3* MG151/20. Especially each MG151/20 have 250RD!!!
(http://www.oldgloryprints.com/Hunting_Party_by_Zoernig.jpg)
(http://www.paulligiovanni.com/foto/data/515/1copertina_G_-55-med.JPG)
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So you look for the 109G with gunpods?? But we already have that!!! :D
The C.205 at least only had two cannons and it was to heavy for the used engine(similar like the gunpod armned 109G´s).
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i'd like to see the beufighter or as the japanese called it "whispering death"
a good torp bomber 4 20mm in nose . inbuilt radar . carried 10 rockets internal bombbay too. bomb racks on wing . quick too
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109G with gunpad is not good to fly.
And the nosegun just 150RD, each gunpad only 120.
Besides, the whole new design G.55 with DB605 is better than 109G.
I think many people ever looked at this text.
"In December 1942 a technical commission of the Regia Aeronautica was invited by Luftwaffe to test some German aircrafts in Rechlin. The visit was part of a joint plan for the standardization of the Axis aircraft production. In the same time some Luftwaffe officers visited Guidonia where they were particularly interested in the performances promised by the Serie 5's. On December 9 these impressions were discussed in a Luftwaffe staff meeting and rised the interest of Goering itself.
In February 1943 a German test commission was sent in Italy to evaluate the new Italian fighters. The commission was led by Oberst Petersen and was formed by Luftwaffe officiers and pilots nad by technical personnel, among them the Flugbaumeister Malz. The Germans carried with them also several aircrafts included a Fw190A and a Me109G for direct comparison tests in simulated dogfights.
The tests began February 20. The German commission, not without a certain surprise, was very impressed by the Italian aircrafts, the G55 in particular. In general, all the Serie 5's were very good at low altitudes, but the G55 was competitive with its German opponents also in term of speed and climb rate at high altitudes still maintaining superior handling characteristics. The definitive evaluation by the German commission was "excellent" for the G55, "good" for the Re2005 and "average" for the MC205. Oberst Petersen defined G.55 "the best fighter in the Axis" and immediately telegraphed his impressions to Goering. After listening the recommendations of Petersen, Milch and Galland, a meeting held by Goering on February 22 voted to produce the G55 in Germany.
The interest of the Germans, apart from the good test results, derived also from the development possibilities they was able to see in the G55 and in the Re2005. For the Re2005 the German interest resulted in the provision of an original DB605 with the new WM injection. This engine and a VDM propeller were installed on the MM495 prototype that was acquired by Luftwaffe and tested in Rechlin. The aircraft reached 700 km/h during a test with a German pilot, but the airframe was not judged sufficiently strong for these performances.
The G55 was bigger and heavier and was considered a very good candidate for the new DB603 engine. Other visits were organized in Germany during March and May 1943 in Rechlin and Berlin. The G55 was again tested at Rechlin at the presence of Milch. Gabrielli and other FIAT personalities were invited to visit German factories and to discuss the evolution of the aircraft. The specifications of the German G55/II included the DB603 engine, five 20 mm guns and a pressurized cockpit. The suggestion of weapons in the wings, limited to one 20 mm gun for each wing, originated the final configuration of the Serie I, while the 603 engine was succesfully installed in the G56 prototypes.
As a concrete results of the German interest in the G55, the Luftwaffe acquired three complete G55 Sottoserie 0 airframes (MM91064-65-66) for evaluations and experiments giving in change three DB603 engines and original machinery for the setup of other production lines of the DB605/RA1050 RC58 I. Two of the Luftwaffe G55's remained in Turin, at the Aeritalia plants, where they were used by German and Italian engineers to study the planned modifications and the possible optimizations to the production process. Later these two were converted to Serie I and delivered to the ANR. The third one was transferred to Rechlin for tests and experiments in Germany. The DB603 engines were used to build the G56 prototypes.
The interest in the G55 program was still high after the Armistice: in October 1943 Kurt Tank, who previously personally tested a G55 in Rechlin, was in Turin to discuss about the G55 production. However, war events and the not yet optimized production process were the reasons for which the G55 program was eventually abandoned by the Luftwaffe. Early produced G55's required about 15000 manhours; while there were estimations to reduce the effort to about 9000 manhours, the German factories were able to assemble a Bf109 in only 5000 manhours".
Giving the best axis fighter a chance!!!
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Within Aces High, the 109G-2 utterly owns the C.205 in head to head flying. There's no reason to expect the G.55 to offer any marked improvement over the C.205 in terms of performance.
Inasmuch as G.55 a generally insigificant aircraft in terms of its impact on the war, most players would rather see HTC expend their limited resources on more important types not yet represented in the game.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
It was a night fighter Benny, not a day fighter. It was fast enough and later models were very fast. Roll rate was ok for its size, managing 50 degrees/sec at 350 mph. It could turn circles around any late-war day fighter in US service. More importantly, it was very well armed and was used for interdiction attacks on enemy ground targets, day and night. Their air to air record didn't generate huge kill totals, but it no P-61 was lost to enemy aircraft in combat.
In the MA it could do anything the A-20G can do and do it much better.
My regards,
Widewing
I agree entirely. I would call the P-61 the best night fighter of the war, and I'm quite fond of the airplane (far from being a "detractor" as Debonair implies). I'm just saying that it wasn't some sort of superplane as some here think it is. Its major drawback was speed; a slow airplane simply can't be a great fighter.
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Originally posted by Widewing
Within Aces High, the 109G-2 utterly owns the C.205 in head to head flying. There's no reason to expect the G.55 to offer any marked improvement over the C.205 in terms of performance.
Inasmuch as G.55 a generally insigificant aircraft in terms of its impact on the war, most players would rather see HTC expend their limited resources on more important types not yet represented in the game.
My regards,
Widewing
The G.55's improvement is much beautiful.:D...fire power and high altitute handling characteristics.:aok
I wonder we can fly it in games someday:noid
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Hi,
the G.55 airframe was ok, but it was to big for the poor DB605A!!
The G.55 had the size of the P51B and SpitfireIXc, but much less power! It dont would have had much to offer.
Greetings,
Knegel
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Originally posted by Knegel
Hi,
the G.55 airframe was ok, but it was to big for the poor DB605A!!
The G.55 had the size of the P51B and SpitfireIXc, but much less power! It dont would have had much to offer.
Greetings,
Knegel
Hi!
Truly indeed. I agree your opinion. So G.56 in my list ,too.:t
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There are multiple 109s, 190s, Hogs, the Macchi 202 and 205 and two Zekes, so why not a Ki-100?
Top speed is one thing, acceleration is another. A Ki-100 ( aka rapidly accelerating Ki-61) might be a lot of fun. It also has better vis toward the rear.
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Originally posted by Lemoo
There are multiple 109s, 190s, Hogs, the Macchi 202 and 205 and two Zekes, so why not a Ki-100?
Top speed is one thing, acceleration is another. A Ki-100 ( aka rapidly accelerating Ki-61) might be a lot of fun. It also has better vis toward the rear.
Why would it accelerate faster than the Ki-61? Small power gain, significant drag gain... The mythology that surrounds the Ki-100 is mind boggling. It was a 1945 fighter with 1941 performance....
My regards,
Widewing
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Not saying it would be an uber plane, I don't know. It's an assumption there would be an improvement over the 61 based on the fact that that the Ki-100's engine was rated at 1500 HP and the DB 601 copy in the Ki-61 was rated at 1175. 325 horses may, or may not, make a considerable difference. But I sure would like to see for myself.
I forgot to mention the multiple Spits and Hurricanes we have in my previous post.
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I can agree with almost every one in here...... I want EVERY plane modeled!:)
But on a more serious note, this game desperately needs more early war planes. That is one arena that is almost always empty. A few planes (I vote for French, Soviet and Japanese planes) might actually get more people playing in the EW arena.
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don't forget the belgium and polish aircraft for the EWA
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I would love for HT (once CT is done) to go around and add as many planes as possible.
especially in the EW and MW planesets.
rather than AH being a game it can be a shrine to all those WW2 planes that have been dead and buried for decades. The novelty value of flying crappy French, Soviet and unheard of japanese planes would be something.
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Renard R.31, iirc the only belgian plane in WWII
(http://www.samoloty.ow.pl/fot/fot244.jpg)
nice landing gear:aok
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Those 109 drivers must have been crapping themselves when they saw that little beauty coming towards them.
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its a recon type.
look kewl imo:aok :aok :aok :cool:
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- only planes needed
-b25
- either the meteor or the vampire
-p39 or the mig 3
-ju52 would be nice
-betty bomber(hehe betty the irony)
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meteor. definately.
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I never thought that the D.520, Bloch 152, Ki 43, and Yak 1 were "obscure and crappy". I guess all the books I read have been wrong about the performance and impact of these fighters in the EW..........
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Beaufighter
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they also need some flying boats
pby catalina
b 29 super frotress
and lanks with grand slams or tall boys and carier task forces need battle ships
and need comit and volksyager and shooting star and p61 black widow and p 39 airacobra and some other ones
splitatom my website name and game name snowey couldnt fit splitatom into 8 leters
and renard landing gear looks stupid smart one
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20 mm should make it easy to distroy a tank but they do digilty squat to any tank and they need shermans
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VVS
1945
IL10 (attack/bomber)
La7 (3 cannon)
1944
La7 (2 cannon)
Yak3
Yak9M
Tu2 (of 44)
1943
Pe2 (of 43)
Yak9D
Yak7
P39 Q
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la7 is good enough as is, all other planes have a hard time escaping as that is not fair, my self personally a pony pilot have had a hard time escaping from la7s and i had speed advantage i know wtf? la7 with three cannons would ping me to death no fair.La7 needs no improvment it should be perked as is
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Focke-Wulf Fw 200-2, "Condor"
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Originally posted by evenhaim
la7 with three cannons would ping me to death no fair.La7 needs no improvment it should be perked as is
present La7 gives you the choice of 2 or 3 in the hanger.
Splitting them would fascilitate perkage of the 3 cannon version whilst leaving the 2 cannon as a low eny freebie.
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Personaly my vote is for the B25c, and H, the real advantage in having this plane added isnt it's performance as much as the weapons types it was capable of carrying....skip bombs, parafrags,8 forward firing .50s, in an a/c with a tail turret...drooool....sounds like a ftrs nightmare
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Renard R.31, iirc the only belgian plane in WWII
you forgot the Fokker D.21, Fairey Fox, and fokker G.1
only ones i know about, the G.1 is supossed to be pretty good
f34r t3h Luchtvaartafdeling!
(http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/2742/fokkerg1eh2.gif) (http://imageshack.us)
thats the G.1 btw, 7x 7.8mm FN Browning MGs, plus one in the rear
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Originally posted by Yoshimbo
you forgot the Fokker D.21, Fairey Fox, and fokker G.1
only ones i know about, the G.1 is supossed to be pretty good
f34r t3h Luchtvaartafdeling!
(http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/2742/fokkerg1eh2.gif) (http://imageshack.us)
thats the G.1 btw, 7x 7.8mm FN Browning MGs, plus one in the rear
Agh but are not the 3 you named of foriegn manufacture, and design, while the Renard is of Belgian manufacture, and design.
from http://www.scramble.nl/wiki/index.php?title=Renard_R31
Alfred Renard, of Stampe et Vertongen fame, designed this parasol-winged reconnaissance aircraft during the early 1930s. After the initial test flights the Belgian Air Force ordered 28 as a replacement for the ageing Breguet 19, later followed by an order for an additional six aircraft in August 1935. Production was split between the Renard factory in Evere and SABCA at Charlerois-Gosselies, but the actual distribution is unknown.
It was not an easy airplane to fly. Especially the lateral stability proved to be a problem for a lot of pilots, and several aircraft were written off, mostly because of landing accidents.
When World War II broke out, only 21 R31s were still serviceable, divided between 9/V/1 "Sioux Blue" (9 Smaldeel, Vth Group, 1st Air Regiment) and 11/VI/1 "Sioux Rouge", both based at Bierset, though their wartime bases were Wilderen and Hannut respectively.
Despite its relative powerfull engine, the aircraft was no match for the more modern outfitted Luftwaffe. By the time the Belgian armed forces capitulated on 28 May the type had flown only 54 operational sorties, but all aircraft were destroyed by then, some during aerial combat, but most on the ground during bombing raids by the Luftwaffe.
So not a single example of the only combat aircraft designed in Belgium which flew operational during the war survives today.
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
I would call the P-61 the best night fighter of the war
Its major drawback was speed; a slow airplane simply can't be a great fighter.
Best American night fighter perhaps, on some record. But yet, in Pacific it was too slow to successfully intercept Japanese night raiders and F4U/F6Fs were modified with radars to give US good enough night capability. In actual use P-61 was found quite lacking and it was quickly replaced by other designs after the war.
On the other hand, Mosquito, He-219 and Ju-88 had the capability, equipment and success record as well to call them much better night fighters.
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Originally posted by MiloMorai
Agh but are not the 3 you named of foriegn manufacture, and design, while the Renard is of Belgian manufacture, and design.
Fokker was a dutch planemanufacturer...
The G1 was a good fighter (shot alot of Ju52's when germany invaded)
but only 9 were available at that time.
The fokker DXXI was deployed in a much greater number,
alot in holland, but also in finland and they saw action vs the japanese
in indonesia
btw, during the invasion of the netherlands, germany lost 1/3 of
al it transport planes ;)
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Originally posted by Grendel
Best American night fighter perhaps, on some record. But yet, in Pacific it was too slow to successfully intercept Japanese night raiders and F4U/F6Fs were modified with radars to give US good enough night capability. In actual use P-61 was found quite lacking and it was quickly replaced by other designs after the war.
On the other hand, Mosquito, He-219 and Ju-88 had the capability, equipment and success record as well to call them much better night fighters.
This incorrect. Operational data for the P-61 is readily available and it disputes your assertion.
Navy night fighters were in service long before the P-61 was operational in the Pacific. In addition, the P-61 was a USAAF fighter and not assigned to protect Navy assets. P-61As entered Pacific theater combat service in the summer of 1944, operating out of Saipan.
In Europe, P-61s were very successful despite being available in only very small numbers. There was a lot of pressure from the RAF to have American units equipped with the Mosquito MK.XVII NF, and the USAAF initially seemed to agree. Previously at Eglin Field, a P-61A was tested against the Mossie MK.II NF and the conclusion was that there was little difference in performance. Northrop representatives and P-61 pilots of the 422nd NFS utterly disagreed that the Mosquito was surperior and challanged the RAF to prove their claim.
With the 422nd in near mutiny and to satisfy everyone else, a flyoff between the P-61B and a Mosquito Mk.XVII N.F. was flown in Britain by the USAAF. The P-61B was deemed the winner, much to the RAF's disbelief. With that, the AAF released the 422nd NFS for combat. The 422nd would be credited with 43 confirmed kills for no losses. These included around 12 Bf 110G-4 and Ju-88G night fighters as well as several Fw 190s. P-61s also flew a lot of night and day-time interdiction sorties against German ground units and transportation targets.
P-61s flying with the upper turret removed demonstrated excellent climb rate, getting to 20k in 8.5 minutes. The corresponding reduction in drag allowed for a max speed of about 375 mph at 20,000 feet (most of the 422nd's P-61s were -5 and -10 models and most had the power turret removed prior to being issued to the squadron). In mock combat, the P-61 could fly circles around any Mosquito, having a turn radius superior to any USAAF fighter in service at the time. In July of 1945, the P-61C entered service with turbocharged R-2800s. This model could exceed 430 mph at altitude and climb to 30,000 feet in 14.6 minutes.
P-61s remained in service alongside F-82s into the early 1950s when they were gradually replaced by the Lockheed F-94A Starfire. In Korea, the F-94s did not post a very impressive record. Grumman's F7F-3N was more effective and the Douglas F3D Skyknight was, by far, the most effective night fighter in Korea.
My regards,
Widewing
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there is a good (and expen$ive) book by an F3D whale driver if anyone is interested.
so far it is the only autobiographical book i've found that deals exclusively with Korean War air combat...
...darn belgian imperialists...
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With the speed they update the planes in the game I doubt you'll see new planes any time soon.
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The MiG-3 may not have been significant on the level of the Yakovlev or Lavochkin fighters, but it was produced in massive quantities (over 30,000 total), and it stopped a large bombing raid on Moscow.
It wasn't very successful on the Eastern Front, as much of the fighting was at low altitude, and very few Soviet pilots had any real experience with the fighter. But, as it is, it had significant production numbers, and would be an important gap filler in the Russian planeset.
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How about something unique? Like the P61? (Black Widow) I think this would be an interesting and fun a/c
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Previously at Eglin Field, a P-61A was tested against the Mossie MK.II NF and the conclusion was that there was little difference in performance.
A NF II of 1942 vintage? The NF XVII was a NF II with American radar. When the P-61 arrived in Europe the Mossie NF 30 then in service was hands and feet above the P-61 in performance.
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i once met a guy on a plane who was an ex-USAAF nightfighter pilot.
he was wearing a P-61 baseball cap, but when i talked to him he said they all prefered the DH.98 to the P-61.
his words "The Mosquito was faster" and thats about all he had to say on the topic
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Mustang Mk1A
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I, for one, believe it would be a riot flying the little Polikarpov I-16. If you like the FM2 you'd have to love the little poli. Imagine, open cockpit flying. We need some french fighters, they did have some. The little Cauldron fighters would be fun, I think they were tiny. I'm kinda rusty but what was the "pea shooter"? Seems it would be a fun decoy. Me 410 and the Me 309? It seems that the performance spectrum is pretty much covered. It would be neat to see some different rides though.
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I think we have quite excellent coverage now. To add to it, I'd like to see planes added according to how many of them were used in WWII or so that scenarios can be rounded out.
I'd like to see the Betty, the He 111 (not nearly as fast as the Ju 88), and whatever the most-prevalent Russian planes were prior to late war variants.
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Beaufighter.
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The Beau, well, a torp carrier, rocked loaded cannon armed menace to ships in the daytime, and then also a nightfighter.
And 316 mph isn't that bad...
But if you're all into night ops HTC would have to add:
1. Some aircraft, i.e. Beau, Mossie NF, Me110NF, P-61
2. A zone of proper darkness.
3. The inboard radar.
4. Exhaust flares.
5. Icons off in the dark.
6. Marking flares.
7. Schrage Muzik?
8. Search beams?
All doeable, and would make nightfighting FUN IMHO.
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I got interested in the number of planes produced by various countries in WWII. Here's what I have so far.
---- US ----
For the US, here are the production fighters, with numbers produced listed (from America's Hundred Thousand):
P-47, 15683
P-51, 15486
P-40, 13143
F6F, 12275
F4U, 11514
P-38, 10037
P-39, 9529 <--- not in AH yet
F4F/FM, 7905
For bombers (from https://www.airforcehistory.hq.af.mil/PopTopics/AAFaircraft.htm and others):
B-24, 18190
B-17, 12692
B-25, 9186 <-- not yet in AH
A-20, 7385
B-26, 5157
TBM, 9837
SB2C, 7140 <--- not yet in AH
SBD, 5936
---- JAPAN ----
IJN aircraft from http://www.combinedfleet.com/ijna/ijnaf.htm and from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_of_Japan%2C_World_War_II
A6M Zero, 10449
Ki-43 Hayabusa (Oscar), 5919
Ki-84 Hayate (Frank), 3449
Ki-61 Hien (Tony), 3159
Ki-45 Toryu (Nick), 1701
Ki-44 Shoki (Tojo), 1225
A5M (Claude), 1094
J2M Raiden (Jack), 476
N1K Shiden (George), 415
D4Y Suisei (Judy), 2038
D3A Aichi (Val), 1495
B6N Tenzan (Jill), 1268
B5N (Kate), 1149
B7A Ryusei (Grace), 114
G4M (Betty), 2446
Ki-21 (Sally), 2064
P1Y Ginga (Frances), 1098
G3M (Nell), 1048
Ki-67 Hiryu (Peggy), 767
---- RUSSIA ----
From
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aircraft_of_the_Soviet_Union_and_the_CIS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_of_Russia%2C_World_War_II
http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/363/9941_roosevelt.html
Yak-9, 16769
La-5, 9920
I-16, 9004
Yak-1, 8720
Yak-7, 6339
LaGG-3, 6258
La-7, 5753
P-39, 5007 (supplied from US)
Yak-3, 4848
MiG-3, 3120
Hurricane, 2952 (supplied from UK)
P-63, 2421 (supplied from US)
Spitfire, 1331 (supplied from UK)
Il-2, 29937
Pe-2, 11427
SB-2, 6656
Il-4, 5256
A-20, 2700 (supplied from US)
Tu-2, 2527
DB-3, 1528
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P39 in AH would be a mediocre bird, while the P63 (same looks) would be a monster.
So, I vote for them.
The Beaufighter would present a versatility unknown yet, Cannons, rockets and a torp. Vote.
Then we have some need for a USSR Twin/attacker. There are 3 I belive, just not too well informed who is the best, Pe-2, Tu-2, or ?? Vote
The Il-10 would be the best anti-tank & attacker in AH. Il-2 on steroids.
A-26, likewise would be A-20 on steroids. Vote, especially for the basic graphics and flight modelling are basically there.
The Nick might add something to the late war Japanese set, - but we have the best ones...but it's a fast twin with a nasty cannonload, so...vote.
Yak 3 is looking close to the others but faster and more nimble, with rather light armament. A total MA contender, with most of the graphic and FM design done. Vote.
This is all MA stuff. But not much more around. The gap is much bigger in the early planeset, and maybe that's why so few play that scenario?
I'll make a list for that later ;)
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B-29
FW200 Condor
JU86
JU52
P82 Defiant
Sea planes would be cool too.
P39 Airacobra
F2A Buffalo
P61 Black Widow
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Most of the rides you folks are advocating would end being used hard for about a month until the novelty wore off, then they would end up as hanger queens after a lot of whining about how poor their AH performance is compared to what it "should be".
Nightfighters are basically useless in this game, since we don't have NIGHT and don't need radar to find targets.
If you're going add rides, lets add rides that can compete with the La7s, Spit XVI, P47N, etc. that they will face in the LW Arenas. It seems an awful waste of time to have HTC do all the work modeling a ride that ends up as a hangar queen.
Give us something else to spend perkies on:
P51H
Do-335
He-162
P-80A
Meteor III
All perked, and proud of it. Everything in this list was in theatre, and either used operationally or in the process of being trained up to operational status.
For sure, anything on this list that shows up is going to get some decent flight time.
EagleDNY
$.02
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Ju-288
Ju-52
Me-410
Do-17
P-39
P-36
B-29
B-25
He-111
Do-335 (yes, an experimental one, but żwhy not?)
PBY
Dornier Wal
Me-262 in 55mm cannon equiped version
Bristol Beaufighter
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I filled in my list (mostly) to include UK and Germany.
Aircraft production in WWII
---- US ----
For the US, here are the production fighters, with numbers produced listed (from America's Hundred Thousand):
P-47, 15683
P-51, 15486
P-40, 13143
F6F, 12275
F4U, 11514
P-38, 10037
P-39, 9529 <--- not in AH yet
F4F/FM, 7905
For bombers (from https://www.airforcehistory.hq.af.mil/PopTopics/AAFaircraft.htm and others):
B-24, 18190
B-17, 12692
B-25, 9186 <-- not yet in AH
A-20, 7385
B-26, 5157
TBM, 9837
SB2C, 7140 <--- not yet in AH
SBD, 5936
---- JAPAN ----
IJN aircraft from http://www.combinedfleet.com/ijna/ijnaf.htm and from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_of_Japan%2C_World_War_II
A6M Zero, 10449
Ki-43 Hayabusa (Oscar), 5919
Ki-84 Hayate (Frank), 3449
Ki-61 Hien (Tony), 3159
Ki-45 Toryu (Nick), 1701
Ki-44 Shoki (Tojo), 1225
A5M (Claude), 1094
J2M Raiden (Jack), 476
N1K Shiden (George), 415
D4Y Suisei (Judy), 2038
D3A Aichi (Val), 1495
B6N Tenzan (Jill), 1268
B5N (Kate), 1149
B7A Ryusei (Grace), 114
G4M (Betty), 2446
Ki-21 (Sally), 2064
P1Y Ginga (Frances), 1098
G3M (Nell), 1048
Ki-67 Hiryu (Peggy), 767
---- RUSSIA ----
From
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aircraft_of_the_Soviet_Union_and_the_CIS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_of_Russia%2C_World_War_II
http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/363/9941_roosevelt.html
Yak-9, 16769
La-5, 9920
I-16, 9004
Yak-1, 8720
Yak-7, 6339
LaGG-3, 6258
La-7, 5753
P-39, 5007 (from US)
Yak-3, 4848
MiG-3, 3120
Hurricane, 2952 (from UK)
P-63, 2421 (from US)
Spitfire, 1331 (from UK)
Il-2, 29937
Pe-2, 11427
SB-2, 6656
Il-4, 5256
A-20, 2700 (from US)
Tu-2, 2527
DB-3, 1528
---- UK ----
From Wikipedia entries starting from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_of_the_RAF and using http://www.rafweb.org/aircraftA-D.htm to judge which are WWII aircraft.
Spitfire, 20351
Hurricane, 14000
Typhoon, 3330
Seafire, 2334
Tempest, 1702
Defiant, 1064
Mosquito, 7781
Beaufighter, 5928
Beaufort, 2080
Wellington, 11461
Lancaster, 7377
Halifax, 6176
Blenheim, 4422
Stirling, 2383
Whitley, 1737
Hampden, 1430
Martin Baltimore, 1575 (from US)
Douglas Boston
Brewster Buffalo
B-17
Douglas Havoc
Curtiss Kittyhawk
B-24
Martin Marauder
Martin Maryland
B-25
Curtis Mohawk
P-51
P-47
Vultee Vengence
Lockheed Ventura
---- Germany ----
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_aircraft_production_during_WW2, but using individual entries for aircraft production.
Bf 109, 35000
FW 190, 20010
Bf 110, 15000
Me 262, 1430
Ju 88, 15000
He 111, 7300
Do 217, 1366
He 177, 1146
Ju 87, 6000
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We should have Fw-190A-3 and Fw-190A-6........ Remove the 190A-5.
Our Fw-190A-5 in AH is too slow at deck and too fast at FTH (full throttle height).
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they need to have some of the misles that the gemans invented like the mini v2 surface to air and the german air to air that got put in to service at the end of the war in very small number atached to me 262 and 190s they also need air to ship misles ataced to ju 88 or was it the other bomer like it also need the he hs 129 with the 75mm in the front also need marker bombs and napalm and all of planes listed above and below this one and the replys need to have spell check
this is snowey
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Originally posted by EagleDNY
Most of the rides you folks are advocating would end being used hard for about a month until the novelty wore off, then they would end up as hanger queens after a lot of whining about how poor their AH performance is compared to what it "should be".
Nightfighters are basically useless in this game, since we don't have NIGHT and don't need radar to find targets.
If you're going add rides, lets add rides that can compete with the La7s, Spit XVI, P47N, etc. that they will face in the LW Arenas. It seems an awful waste of time to have HTC do all the work modeling a ride that ends up as a hangar queen.
Give us something else to spend perkies on:
P51H
Do-335
He-162
P-80A
Meteor III
All perked, and proud of it. Everything in this list was in theatre, and either used operationally or in the process of being trained up to operational status.
For sure, anything on this list that shows up is going to get some decent flight time.
EagleDNY
$.02
The I.A.R. 81c, could compete with the LWA rides with EASE. I'd fly it exclusively as a fighter if ever added, I'm sure Treize69 would as well. So I'll have to BS on your post. Read up on it, the Allies thought it was a 190.
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Originally posted by Widewing
This incorrect. Operational data for the P-61 is readily available and it disputes your assertion.
Navy night fighters were in service long before the P-61 was operational in the Pacific. In addition, the P-61 was a USAAF fighter and not assigned to protect Navy assets. P-61As entered Pacific theater combat service in the summer of 1944, operating out of Saipan.
In Europe, P-61s were very successful despite being available in only very small numbers. There was a lot of pressure from the RAF to have American units equipped with the Mosquito MK.XVII NF, and the USAAF initially seemed to agree. Previously at Eglin Field, a P-61A was tested against the Mossie MK.II NF and the conclusion was that there was little difference in performance. Northrop representatives and P-61 pilots of the 422nd NFS utterly disagreed that the Mosquito was surperior and challanged the RAF to prove their claim.
With the 422nd in near mutiny and to satisfy everyone else, a flyoff between the P-61B and a Mosquito Mk.XVII N.F. was flown in Britain by the USAAF. The P-61B was deemed the winner, much to the RAF's disbelief. With that, the AAF released the 422nd NFS for combat. The 422nd would be credited with 43 confirmed kills for no losses. These included around 12 Bf 110G-4 and Ju-88G night fighters as well as several Fw 190s. P-61s also flew a lot of night and day-time interdiction sorties against German ground units and transportation targets.
P-61s flying with the upper turret removed demonstrated excellent climb rate, getting to 20k in 8.5 minutes. The corresponding reduction in drag allowed for a max speed of about 375 mph at 20,000 feet (most of the 422nd's P-61s were -5 and -10 models and most had the power turret removed prior to being issued to the squadron). In mock combat, the P-61 could fly circles around any Mosquito, having a turn radius superior to any USAAF fighter in service at the time. In July of 1945, the P-61C entered service with turbocharged R-2800s. This model could exceed 430 mph at altitude and climb to 30,000 feet in 14.6 minutes.
P-61s remained in service alongside F-82s into the early 1950s when they were gradually replaced by the Lockheed F-94A Starfire. In Korea, the F-94s did not post a very impressive record. Grumman's F7F-3N was more effective and the Douglas F3D Skyknight was, by far, the most effective night fighter in Korea.
My regards,
Widewing
The Mossies had longer service records. Also, the P-61C never saw combat. The 61C had 15mph on the DH.98, but IMO, the DH.98 was the best nightfighter of WWII.
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P51H... perk it a little... would be easy to model, skins and panels already made.... etc
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How bout a Beaufighter :aok
Skip the 1946 SWOTL birds thanks:)
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Almost forgot. A B25C strafer for Toad's father before he's gone.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
P51H... perk it a little... would be easy to model, skins and panels already made.... etc
P-51H had a completely different form than the P-51D.
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ME410
JU-52
floatplane of some sort for ports and maybe for cruiser.
a russian bomber
Beufighter
190 A6
P 39
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THe DO-335 would be awesome in the game its top speed was like almost 500 mph and as far as the armament it would be nothing more that a 109-g14 cool plane to perk id say...:D :aok :eek:
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Any reliable sources for the DO-335 in action?
I've read Clostermann's book, if he says he saw one, then he might have seen one, haven't seen any other sources confirming this one...
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Originally posted by Nilsen
P 39
:aok
Nilsen, you forgot the Pearl of the Skies, the Brewster (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52235&perpage=50&pagenumber=1), from your list. :)
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Originally posted by MiloMorai
P-51H had a completely different form than the P-51D.
Completely different? no.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Completely different? no.
Essentially yes. Wing, engine, fuselage, Canopy, landing gear etc. Hard to find any compatable parts between the D and the H.
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P-51H never saw combat, in any war, in any form. It was the only type never to be deployed in combat and the only type not sold to foreign powers. About 370 of the 555 ordered had been completed by VJ Day, but they never found their way to the combat zone before the end of the war, and by the time Korea rolled around they had been relegated to use by the ANG, not by the regular Air Force.
I have never seen pics of an H with underwing stores. It may just be that I haven't run across one yet, but it could be why they were pulled- by the time they were ready in numbers, their role as fast interceptor and air-superiority fighter could be done better by the jets coming on line.
(http://ails.arc.nasa.gov/Images/Aeronautics/jpegs/A-11702_a.jpeg)
(http://www.kiwiaircraftimages.com/images/main/00_wanaka/WN00MG2.JPG)
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Originally posted by Treize69
P-51H never saw combat, in any war, in any form. It was the only type never to be deployed in combat and the only type not sold to foreign powers. About 370 of the 555 ordered had been completed by VJ Day, but they never found their way to the combat zone before the end of the war, and by the time Korea rolled around they had been relegated to use by the ANG, not by the regular Air Force.
In Late July of 1945, the 7th AF began receiving their initial P-51H fighters at Okinawa. Several of the these fighters were declared operational and began flying defensive combat patrols with the 15th FG. The purpose for this was to get pilots some seat time in the newer and significantly different Mustang. One thing noted by the pilots is that they generally found the seat to be less comfortable than that in the D model. This continued for about a week, until the surrender with just 3 P-51H fighters operational. No enemy was encountered.
As for under-wing loads, the P-51H was rated the same as the P-51D, except that there was no provision for rockets.
When the war in Korea broke out, the F-51H was deemed less survivable when exposed to ground fire than the the F-51D. There was also a limited amount of spare parts available. Thus, the F-51H was not deployed. There were some protests from within the Air Force as the F-51H was the superior fighter in every respect. However, it was argued that the F-80 would be the better choice, even though its loiter time was vastly less than the F-51H as all F-80s were based in Japan.
Within that context, the USAF also decided not to deploy the F-47Ds and F-47Ns that were in service in many Air Guard units. This was bitterly opposed by many commanders of operational units, who rightly believed that the Jug was far more resistant to battle damage. Heavy losses of F-51Ds to triple-A validated this argument. However, by then the initial emergency was past and soon there were enough jets deployed in Korea, that the F-51s were withdrawn from combat.
F4U-4s bore the brunt of the air-to-ground combat burden for the Navy. They suffered serious loss to triple-A as well, but the loss-to-sortie ratio was less than half of the F-51's. Historians now argue that the decision not to deploy the F-47s was little less than criminal.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Completely different? no.
Major physical differences
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-12/1114844/Pag42.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-12/1114844/Pag43.jpg)
And more info, http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p51_13.html
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And lots of P-51H performance data here
http://www.spitfireperformance.com/mustang/mustangtest.html
Neil.
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Originally posted by Neil Stirling1
And lots of P-51H performance data here
http://www.spitfireperformance.com/mustang/mustangtest.html
Neil.
Sorry Neil should have mentioned that site. I keep forgetting not everyone knows about that EXCELLENT site.
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Thanks MiloMorai :aok Most excellent of you to say so ;)
Neil.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
The I.A.R. 81c, could compete with the LWA rides with EASE. I'd fly it exclusively as a fighter if ever added, I'm sure Treize69 would as well. So I'll have to BS on your post. Read up on it, the Allies thought it was a 190.
I read up on the IAR 81c, and while it is nice for the vintage (1942), I don't think it would be getting a lot of action in the LWA. 2 x 20mms, plus 4 x 7.92s, coupled with a 1,025hp motor leaves it firmly in the early-mid war performance range. Easily out-climbed, out-run, and out-gunned by most of the late war rides you are going to meet.
Yeah, they have a nice story about bouncing P-38s coming in low through the valleys to bomb Ploesti, and had some success there. It might look like a 190, but it sure doesn't have the engine-power, speed, or guns of a 190. You & Treize69 can keep this one - I'd rather have a 109 myself.
EagleDNY
$.02
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Originally posted by EagleDNY
I read up on the IAR 81c, and while it is nice for the vintage (1942), I don't think it would be getting a lot of action in the LWA. 2 x 20mms, plus 4 x 7.92s, coupled with a 1,025hp motor leaves it firmly in the early-mid war performance range. Easily out-climbed, out-run, and out-gunned by most of the late war rides you are going to meet.
Yeah, they have a nice story about bouncing P-38s coming in low through the valleys to bomb Ploesti, and had some success there. It might look like a 190, but it sure doesn't have the engine-power, speed, or guns of a 190. You & Treize69 can keep this one - I'd rather have a 109 myself.
EagleDNY
$.02
Read deeper, if I can EASILY land 2+ kills in a Hurry Mk1 (in the LWA's), this will garner more. It hold it's own against Spits, Ponies, in it's Theater of Operation. What we DON'T need, are redundant planes.
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He-111
Beaufighter
B-25
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Originally posted by Widewing
In Late July of 1945, the 7th AF began receiving their initial P-51H fighters at Okinawa. Several of the these fighters were declared operational and began flying defensive combat patrols with the 15th FG. The purpose for this was to get pilots some seat time in the newer and significantly different Mustang. One thing noted by the pilots is that they generally found the seat to be less comfortable than that in the D model. This continued for about a week, until the surrender with just 3 P-51H fighters operational. No enemy was encountered.
Widewing
Where did you find that info Widewing? I have John Lambert's excellent history of the 15th FG and there is no mention at all of the P51H. They were on Iwo during that time not Okinawa.
Could it be another 7th AF Group got em?
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I was going by the Squadron/Signal P-51 In Action book, which states-
"Contrary to popular belief, the P-51H never saw combat in any war. It was the only Mustang never to do so and the only type not sold to any foreign nation. Although 370 aircraft had been delivered to the AAF prior to VJ Day, none found their way to combat units in time for the final fight. By the time the Krean War broke out in June 1950, the P-51Hs were all but phased out of active Air Force service. However, the H model did perform yeoman duties for the USAF in the tough years between the two wars when that service was in transition to an entirely jet inventory"
Oh, and I have to admit my error- looking closely at the photos in the book, hardpoint for bombs/tanks and rocket rails are visible, there is just nothing hung from them. That was an error in my admittedly bad memory. :cry
In Late July of 1945, the 7th AF began receiving their initial P-51H fighters at Okinawa. Several of the these fighters were declared operational and began flying defensive combat patrols with the 15th FG. The purpose for this was to get pilots some seat time in the newer and significantly different Mustang. One thing noted by the pilots is that they generally found the seat to be less comfortable than that in the D model. This continued for about a week, until the surrender with just 3 P-51H fighters operational. No enemy was encountered.
That does seem to verify the statement that they never saw combat. I didn't say that they never saw squadron service or never made to a combat theater. 3 examples flying a few familiarization flights and never encountering the enemy is, by definition, not combat.
BTW WW, please don't take this as my trying to get under your skin or start an argument. I'll be the first to admit that you know far more about these topics than I do, I'm simply stating the proven facts as I have perceived them. Feel free to prove me wrong, I just haven't seen reliable, documented proof of it.
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Interesting that all those diagrams showed 6 guns. I thought the 51H reduced the armament to 4 guns, similar to the P-40N? Was this not the case?
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For short term solution
We need...
- clipped wing spitfire V with +16 boost
- Seafire L III
- Bf 109F-2: This was the main nemesis of the +12 boost spitfire V (NOT the 109F-4) and other Russian fighters in early-mid 1941. F-2 had nose-mounted 1x MG-FF cannon or 15mm MG 151 cannon
- Fw 190A-3: we need early 190 variant
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I think what we really need the most is the M4 Sherman. It will fill a huge gap for the need of american tanks in AH2. Also, I think the B25 should replace the B26 because the B26 played its part mostly in Korea and not in World War 2.
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Originally posted by T99LMG
. Also, I think the B25 should replace the B26 because the B26 played its part mostly in Korea and not in World War 2.
Erm in a word No. The A-26 was re-designated as a B-26 shortly after ww2 .
Totally different AC.
A-26
(http://www.military.cz/usa/air/war/bomber/a26/a26.jpg)
B-26
(http://www.redstone.army.mil/history/airfield/pics/b26_bw.jpg)
Bronk
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Originally posted by Krusty
Interesting that all those diagrams showed 6 guns. I thought the 51H reduced the armament to 4 guns, similar to the P-40N? Was this not the case?
As the link posted earlier states,
Armament returned to six machine guns with 1880 total rounds, although alternative installations of four guns with 1600 total rounds could be fitted.
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It isn't true. Your mostly right, but they did save some old WW2 B26s from the scrap heap and used them. You are mostly right because the Americans did it for only a very short part of the beginning of Korea. I saw it in a magazine (Flight Journal) and it said how it raided the convoys and trains in Korea.
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for your enlightenment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-26_Invader
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-26_Marauder
Bronk
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Bring on the MiGs!
We need He 111!
F-82 Twin Mustang didnt get a bite of WW2!
Ju-52 seems fun!
P-39 would make a nice additon!
I want Russian bombers!
I want Italian bombers!
:D
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I wish to add British Corsair II or IV. It should be easy and fast. Cutted wing,diffierent propeller,better max speed,and roll.But loose some climb rate. British Corsair also easier to land than US F4U-1 series.
(http://www.cybermodelers.com/events/rms6-report/Air/Augustine/AUG_Corsair_1.JPG)
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I think we need to concentrate on small niche aircraft to the detriment
of all widely used aircraft. Nothing else will stop the incessant wailing and
gnashing of teeth of the various fanboy posters around here:D
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Originally posted by CPW
I wish to add British Corsair II or IV. It should be easy and fast. Cutted wing,diffierent propeller,better max speed,and roll.But loose some climb rate. British Corsair also easier to land than US F4U-1 series.
(http://www.cybermodelers.com/events/rms6-report/Air/Augustine/AUG_Corsair_1.JPG)
Outside of the 8 inches off each wing, I'd suggest you go check your facts again on RN Corsairs.
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Maybe my bad English cause that. Sorry:D
Just want to fly it :noid
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BRING IN THE BREWSTER, BRING IN THE BREWSTER!!!!
SAVE THE HORSES!! FIGHT WITH BUFFALOES!!!!:( :furious
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we need Ze Me-262-a2 with 24x R4M and 2x 250k bombs. give it some more fire power than 4x Mk108. even though i think that's ok... but i want more,more , and more
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Holy-Night-of-the-Living-Dead-Threads, Batman!
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I look for planes that add to the fun, not so much their "importance in the war". As the majority also play in LW arena, I look there more.
A-26B Invader (solid nose) Block 50's- perk worthy attack bomber (need perk bomber other than Arado)
A-26C Invader (glass nosed w Norden bombsite) Block 50's - perk worthy level bomber - only change from B is the nose (guns and bombsite), otherwise identical planes.
German 88mm FlaK36 towed artillery - player manned ack to 35K altitude, indirect artillery, long range direct fire. Probably a light perk.
Judy for blue water fliers and CV ops. Good dive bombers and Japanese plane addition.
G.55 light perked interceptor and best of the Italian planes and a treat for some Luffenwobble pilots. Good bomber interceptor with nice cannon loadout.
Stuka JU 87G (refitted D model) version with the twin 37mm BK FlaK18 tank killing cannons.
P-39D/P-39Q/P-400 Airacobra - Soviet model, lend lease in the Soviet plane set. Mid-frame-engine mounted fighter.
Pe-2 Peshka to give the Russians a bomber. Il-2 and Pe-2 working together with La-5's and Yaks for cover would make for a great Eastern Front SEA event.
Ki-84-Ic (Mark Ic) - Lightly perked. Version against Bombers, with two cannons Ho-5 (20 mm) and Ho-105 (30 mm) in wings.
He-177 Greif only German Heavy bomber produced in numbers. Nice altitude, bomb payload, speed. Just normal ord, no guided rockets or bombs.
Yak-3 Short legs but possibly a very fun dogfighter. Considered one of the best at the time.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Outside of the 8 inches off each wing, I'd suggest you go check your facts again on RN Corsairs.
Actually Dan, from what I understand it was only 4 inches per wing for RN carrier's elevator clearance.
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Originally posted by Cmdr Chicken
Stratofortress,
roflmao...I think he meant Superfortress...
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Originally posted by tedrbr
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I look for planes that add to the fun, not so much their "importance in the war". As the majority also play in LW arena, I look there more.
A-26B Invader (solid nose) Block 50's- perk worthy attack bomber (need perk bomber other than Arado)
A-26C Invader (glass nosed w Norden bombsite) Block 50's - perk worthy level bomber - only change from B is the nose (guns and bombsite), otherwise identical planes.
German 88mm FlaK36 towed artillery - player manned ack to 35K altitude, indirect artillery, long range direct fire. Probably a light perk.
Judy for blue water fliers and CV ops. Good dive bombers and Japanese plane addition.
G.55 light perked interceptor and best of the Italian planes and a treat for some Luffenwobble pilots. Good bomber interceptor with nice cannon loadout.
Stuka JU 87G (refitted D model) version with the twin 37mm BK FlaK18 tank killing cannons.
P-39D/P-39Q/P-400 Airacobra - Soviet model, lend lease in the Soviet plane set. Mid-frame-engine mounted fighter.
Pe-2 Peshka to give the Russians a bomber. Il-2 and Pe-2 working together with La-5's and Yaks for cover would make for a great Eastern Front SEA event.
Ki-84-Ic (Mark Ic) - Lightly perked. Version against Bombers, with two cannons Ho-5 (20 mm) and Ho-105 (30 mm) in wings.
He-177 Greif only German Heavy bomber produced in numbers. Nice altitude, bomb payload, speed. Just normal ord, no guided rockets or bombs.
Yak-3 Short legs but possibly a very fun dogfighter. Considered one of the best at the time.
I much prefer Ki-84-Ib's 4*20mm,balance ammo loadout and bullet characteristic.And it's really deploy in some sentai.
P40N, the last P40 version.
G.55 also good.:aok
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Originally posted by SpikesX
roflmao...I think he meant Superfortress...
ROFLMAO@You
He was referring to the B-29 STRATOfortress.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
ROFLMAO@You
He was referring to the B-29 STRATOfortress.
ack-ack
Stratofortress should be a B-52 Akak.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Actually Dan, from what I understand it was only 4 inches per wing for RN carrier's elevator clearance.
Was just reading "Corsair KD431-The Time Capsule Fighter" about the restoration of the FAA Corsair in England and they mentioned 8 inches difference in the wings of an FAA Corsair and a USN bird. It appears I misinterpreted that :)
Great book btw if you like FAA Corsairs.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Was just reading "Corsair KD431-The Time Capsule Fighter" about the restoration of the FAA Corsair in England and they mentioned 8 inches difference in the wings of an FAA Corsair and a USN bird. It appears I misinterpreted that :)
Great book btw if you like FAA Corsairs.
Will look for it at the book store.
CorsairsRule:aok
:D
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Originally posted by Widewing
I don't think that the B-52 dates to our time period. Oh, and there are two Zeros in the game. We do, however, need the A6M3 to fill the gap in the Zeke lineup.
My regards,
Widewing
If i had the B-52 i would soo carpet bomb Tank Town:O
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I don't care what planes go in,(althoug the G55 would be nice) just put em there the more the better i say.
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Originally posted by Karnak
D4Y2: Mid war Japanese dive bomber, gives the Japanese a competent dive bomber.
People already use Lancasters for that...:(
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WOW! This thred is still going. Kewl. I made this post in case you don't know. I used to be 68Turbo. I sure hope HTC can look at this and use many of the planes you guys have suggested. Hmmm.... December 27th to June 19. Glad that somebody had the patience to look back that far, and not be lazy enough to not post!
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Originally posted by Turbo10
WOW! This thred is still going. Kewl. I made this post in case you don't know. I used to be 68Turbo. I sure hope HTC can look at this and use many of the planes you guys have suggested. Hmmm.... December 27th to June 19. Glad that somebody had the patience to look back that far, and not be lazy enough to not post!
TURBO10 ITS ME DO YOU REMEMBER?????. ME AND FLYBOY WAS IN YOUR SQUAD. WHEN I GET ANOTHER COMPUTER ILL SUBSCRIBE AND REJOIN YOUR SQUAD. I FEEL BAD FOR SWITCHING OVER TO BISH AND ABANDINING THE SQUAD. I MISS PLAYIN WITH YALL.:cry
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MY LIST
Germany:
Ju-188 or 388
He-177
He-111
Japan:
B6N2 Jill
D4Y2 Judy
G4M2 Betty
Ki-27 Nate
Ki-43 Oscar
A6M2-N Rufe
H8K Emily
Ki-102 Randy
J2M Jack
Ki-46 Dinah
USA:
Brewster Buffalo
P-61 Black Widow
PBY Catalina
P-39 Airacobra
Britain:
Gloster Meteor
Fairey Swordfish
Soviet Union:
I-16
Pe-8
Tu-2
Yak-3
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My much smaller list, narrowed down to what in reality I can see us getting, and to what I feel we need...
Japan-
D4Y 'Judy'. May be an interesting dive bomber.
Russia-
Pe-2! Would be an AWESOME quick-strike bomber.
Britain-
Mossies!
Maybe Swordfish.
United States-
P-39 Airacobra. We NEED this plane. It and the La-5/7 were the principle fighters of the Russian airforce.
Excerpt from "The Blond Knight of Germany"-
'Over Russia the call "Airacobra!" was heard and dreaded by the Luftwaffe because the Soviets equipped a group made up of the best fighter aces with this type of aircraft. They painted their airplanes red and called themselves "Red Guards," and they accounted well for themselves. Hartmann, as is evident from his No.1 logbook, shot down eighteen Airacobras up to 29 October 1943. He estimates another fifteen fell to his guns before the war ended.'
Germany-
Ju-52. This plane was a workhorse for the Germans. And its armament, although light, would at least give goons a chance.
He-111. A cool plane and an important part of the Battle of Britain.
Ju-87 D-5 or G. Our current Stuka is useless once its bombs are dropped.
Me-262 A-2. Come on, how cool would an Me 262 be with bombs?
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Russian
Mig-3
PE-2
I-16 (Just for the hell of it!)
IL-10
R-5 Biplane (because we need biplanes just for kicks :P)
Japanese
KI-43
KI-44
KI-45
KI-100
B7A
Kikka (Yeah I know its impossible to add)
German
DO-335 (Yet another impossible to add...bleh)
HE-111
HS-129 75mm armed
FW-200
JU-52
JU-88 cannon armed
British
Meteor
Swordfish (Yet another biplane)
Fury
U.S.
B-29 (perked!)
SB2C
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I'd like to see the JU-52 as well. We need another transport/cargo carrier and Iron Annie had a huge presence in the war.
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If you'd waited another 20 days before posting, you would have bumped this thread exactly a year after the last post on it :D
However, I might as well join in:
A-26
Bristol Beaufighter
Later mark Mosquito
Gloster Meteor
PBY Catalina
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I recall seeing that while the Meteor hit the fronts in time, it never ACTUALLY saw combat. Can anyone confirm?
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Well I know it never engaged Me-262s, I think it was mostly used to engage V-1s.
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Well I know it never engaged Me-262s, I think it was mostly used to engage V-1s.
Does that count as "Combat" though?
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If i had the B-52 i would soo carpet bomb Tank Town:O
Definitely. There would be a standing Arc Light mission to Tank Town. :uhoh
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Engaging V-1s certainly was combat, a number of RAF pilots lost their lives from the resultant explosion when one was hit. Why shouldn't ground attack be classed as combat either? If you are shooting and getting shot at, its combat.
If you want reasons to exclude the Meteor, you could say it was a rare aircraft that due to RAF policy had no real impact on the war. Also that it would have no real scenario use.
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The Meteor is pretty important though as it truly reflects British technology in terms of aircraft during that time in the war.
The top of the list IMO thought should remain the Ju52 (or maybe an S.M.79) as the Axis needs transports. After that comes more Italian and Soviet fighters and then a Seafire III. :D
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If we have the Bf109E, Spitfire I, Hurricane I, A6M2, P40B/P40E, C202, etc....
then the D520 may as well be fielded. I have yet to dig too deep into the research, but I have a gut feeling more D520's were flown than the C202. As much as many of us roll our eyes when "France" is menitoned, still the D520 can run with any plane in the early war arena.
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then the D520 may as well be fielded. I have yet to dig too deep into the research, but I have a gut feeling more D520's were flown than the C202.
I doubt it. The C.202 was one of Italy's main production fighters. France wasn't around long enough in the war to have produced many 520's.
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I wouldnt mind seeing flights of Swordfish... But how about flights of 6 or 8? They'll be really slow and really fragile... But larger flights might represent their use, a la Bismarck.... Just a thought.
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If you want reasons to exclude the Meteor, you could say it was a rare aircraft that due to RAF policy had no real impact on the war. Also that it would have no real scenario use.
Actually, I would love the Meteor ingame. Would make for some cool duels...
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Hmm.....
Blackburn Skua Mk. II, Mig-3, Yak-3, P-63Kingcobra, A-26, Spitfire Mk.XIVe, Clipped wing Spit V, P-40N, B-32 Dominator, B-29 (yes I said it, HTC SAID they're putting it in, may as well...) Handley Page Halifax, B-18 Bolo, Ju-52, 109Dora, P-51C, P-47M, F6F-5P... I think that just about sums it up...
Oh and P-40C. :aok
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B-29 (yes I said it, HTC SAID they're putting it in, may as well...)
source ?
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109Dora
Youre kidding, right? You know what she was armed with, right?
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Hmm.....
Blackburn Skua Mk. II, Mig-3, Yak-3, P-63Kingcobra, A-26, Spitfire Mk.XIVe, Clipped wing Spit V, P-40N, B-32 Dominator, B-29 (yes I said it, HTC SAID they're putting it in, may as well...) Handley Page Halifax, B-18 Bolo, Ju-52, 109Dora, P-51C, P-47M, F6F-5P... I think that just about sums it up...
Oh and P-40C. :aok
Second all of that + another Mosquito, the Gloster Meteor, the PBY Catalina and the Beaufighter!!! :aok :aok
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Serenity, what was that 109 armed with?
Greebo, why would you want any reasons not to put a Gloster Meteor in-game?
Motherland, I think we should get a D.520 before any other aircraft of any other country, according to the argument that the French planeset is severely depleted (to say the least).
<S>
Yossarian
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I doubt it. The C.202 was one of Italy's main production fighters. France wasn't around long enough in the war to have produced many 520's.
Italia's C202 had a production total of around 1500. The C205 had a production total of less than 275. The French made 437 of the D520, and the ones that survived the invasion were used by the Vichy, Romanians, Bulgaria, and Italia. Keep in mind that France didnt make any more after 1941.
Source: Weapons of WWII. Alexander Ludeke, Parragon, 2007. p214,215,229
On that note... why doesnt HTC have the Fiat G55 in the game? Seems like it was Italia's best fighter.
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source ?
HTC site - Help - Perks (http://www1.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/perks.html) ... second sentence:
Perk planes (and vehicles) would be things like Me 262s, Ta 152s, Tempests, B-29s, Ar 234s, Tiger IIs, etc.
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HTC site - Help - Perks (http://www1.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/perks.html) ... second sentence:
Perk planes (and vehicles) would be things like Me 262s, Ta 152s, Tempests, B-29s, Ar 234s, Tiger IIs, etc.
oops I guess I'll stop telling people to read the help, I don't want anymore B29 threads :D
I find interesting that the tiger II is listed also...is that the King Tiger ?
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B-32 Dominator
(http://www.b-36peacemakermuseum.org/Images/b32_fly.jpg)
Who let this retard post on this thread?
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Greebo, why would you want any reasons not to put a Gloster Meteor in-game?
I'm not dead set against having it in the game. I don't think it should be a priority when there are way more important planes left to model. For British aircraft I would much rather see the Beaufighter or glass nose Mossies.
Also I feel the Meteor Mk III would be more unbalancing than the 262. It had four nose mounted Hispanos, dive brakes and a much lower wing loading. It would be a lot more than a pick and run machine in the MA.
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I find interesting that the tiger II is listed also...is that the King Tiger ?
Yep
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British aircraft with higher priority than the Meteor Mk III, in Karnak's opinion and in alphabetic order:
Battle
Beaufighter
Beaufort
Blenheim
Defiant
Firefly
Fulmar
Gladiator
Halifax
Hampden
Mosquito Mk IV
Mosquito Mk XVI
Roc
Skua
Stirling
Swordfish
Wellesley
Wellington
Whirlwind
Whitley
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Fw 200
N1K-J George
BN6 Jill
He 111
Do 17/217
Piaggio 108 Heavy bomber
I-16
Tu 2
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The Fw200 would be a terrible aircraft. Light bombload, pretty slow, not particularly strong.
My list, from most needed to least;
Ju52
He111
Pe2
Finished Yak series
Ki43
Tu2
I16
Wellington
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The Fw200 would be a terrible aircraft. Light bombload, pretty slow, not particularly strong.
My list, from most needed to least;
Ju52
He111
Pe2
Finished Yak series
Ki43
Tu2
I16
Wellington
there the Ju 390 now that was the nazis b29 of that time
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A russian twin....
An Italian bomber.....
another british naval aircraft
a naval patrol aircraft? I don't know....rather a Short Sunderland than a pby
another German bomber....the He 111, but I'd like to see a 177
what about a Hs 129?
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British aircraft with higher priority than the Meteor Mk III, in Karnak's opinion and in alphabetic order:
Battle
Beaufighter
Beaufort
Blenheim
Defiant
Firefly
Fulmar
Gladiator
Halifax
Hampden
Mosquito Mk IV
Mosquito Mk XVI
Roc
Skua
Stirling
Swordfish
Wellesley
Wellington
Whirlwind
Whitley
Don't forget the Martin Baltimore and Maryland.
ack-ack
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British aircraft with higher priority than the Meteor Mk III, in Karnak's opinion and in alphabetic order:
Battle
Beaufighter
Beaufort
Blenheim
Defiant
Firefly
Fulmar
Gladiator
Halifax
Hampden
Mosquito Mk IV
Mosquito Mk XVI
Roc
Skua
Stirling
Swordfish
Wellesley
Wellington
Whirlwind
Whitley
Lets just add all of the while we're at it.
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Lets just add all of the while we're at it.
Many of those are extremely low priority.
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While this is here i'm going to post in support of the beaufighter. and some russian and german bombers and maybe a russian fighter and. . . . . . on and on and on and on in descending order. I know Hitech try to stay small but some more staff might pick things up and give us more of what we want :noid
Regards FBClaw
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LaGG
La-3
MiG-3
Yak 1
Yak 3
Yak 5
Yak 7
He-111
Ju-52
No argument with this list.
Plus, any new 109 is a good 109. :D
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No argument with this list.
Plus, any new 109 is a good 109. :D
He 115 wouldnt be bad :O
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A russian twin....
An Italian bomber.....
another british naval aircraft
a naval patrol aircraft? I don't know....rather a Short Sunderland than a pby
another German bomber....the He 111, but I'd like to see a 177
what about a Hs 129?
A 75mm armed HS-129 would be awesome! I know we have a B-25H, but the HS-129 has a 75mm Kwk40 (Panzer IV main gun) with AP rounds!
Even the lighter cannon armed ones would be nice.
As for a British Sea Place, a Sea Hurricane~! Though a Swordfish would be kinda cool too because its a biplane :P
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Well, still, AFAIK the HS129 had poor performance, being underpowered.
A boatplane like the Sunderland or the Japanese Mavis (?) would be nice IMHO and add a new depth to the game, taking up from....ports? You had many fighters on floats as well, like the Northrop fighter, and a ....Nakajima?
Sea Hurry would be easy for HTC since the FM is practically there.
Anyway, what is the next one being promoted by HTC?
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These are the planes in my opinon that need to be added the most, because most of them played great roles in WWII.
LaGG
La-3
MiG-3
Yak 1
Yak 3
Yak 5
Yak 7
He-111
Ju-52
Nice list!! :aok :D
<S>...-Gixer
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I remember watching wings of the luftwaffe or something like that about the stuka.....the Hs129 was meant to replace the 87 in a dive bomber/ ground attack role.
What we really need, just because it's so damn weird and ugly is a BV 141.
And I'd really like to see Hitech figure out the flight dynamics for it.
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I remember watching wings of the luftwaffe or something like that about the stuka.....the Hs129 was meant to replace the 87 in a dive bomber/ ground attack role.
What we really need, just because it's so damn weird and ugly is a BV 141.
And I'd really like to see Hitech figure out the flight dynamics for it.
was that the german plane with the cockpit in the wing and the engine in the middle
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no
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Glock...
that is the one withe the engine in a fuselage, with a separate nacelle for the crrew cockpit.
Weirdest aircraft.....ever!!!!
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Glock...
that is the one withe the engine in a fuselage, with a separate nacelle for the crrew cockpit.
Weirdest aircraft.....ever!!!!
i know would be fun to have in aces high
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I agree with the I-16 the Mig and the LaGG.I have read abou these plains and found that they were well designed planes. :aok
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I agree with the I-16 the Mig and the LaGG.I have read abou these plains and found that they were well designed planes. :aok
The MiG-3 and LaGG-3 were horrible. The LaGG was known as the Lacquered Coffin or something to that effect by VVS pilots.
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How you fly them is what counts. :o
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There's no use for planes that no one (or maybe 5-10%) will have fun flying in, as long as other historicaly significant planes can also be fun and/or successful in the MAs.
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A heavier axis bomber would be cool. Since the game does not factor in reliability, the bomber b planes would be cool. The Ju-288, the He-177, and the ME-264 (?) the big four engined one with no cockpit per say. Those could move out and I recall the project was cancelled because after developing high altitude, high speed airplanes, the ministry decided the premise was no longer valid... go figure. Perhaps internet rumor, more than likely I assume it was resources and technology. That Jumo 22a engine in the Ju-288 was wicked. The Ju-288 was as fast as a mossie (I think, you real data guys don't scalp me please) and could lift 6K in bombs.
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How long has it been since Judy got a mention?
-Sik
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I'd still go by numbers produced in WWII for the various countries for adding planes, with some ordering based on what would be nice to fill out scenarios. The list below are the most-produced planes, for each country, that are not already in the game. I then shuffled and interleaved the order of countries based on a preference for which aircraft are most useful for scenarios. For example, the Japanese plane set is missing its major bomber (the G4M) and it's best and most-produced torpedo and divebombers (the B6N and the D4Y); and the Russian plane set could use one of its major attack planes (the Pe-2) and more representation for early and mid war (I-16, Yak-1, etc.).
He 111, 7300 -- for Battle of Britain
Pe-2, 11427 -- a major Soviet attack plane, 2nd only to the Il-2
G4M (Betty), 2446 -- the main Japanese bomber
D4Y Suisei (Judy), 2038 -- the most-produced Japanese divebomber (better and faster than the D3A)
B6N Tenzan (Jill), 1268 -- the most-produced Japanese torpedo/carrier bomber (upgrade of the B5N)
I-16, 9004 -- for early-war German/Russian scenarios
Yak-1, 8720 -- for early-war German/Russian scenarios
Ki-43 Hayabusa (Oscar), 5919 -- a much-used Japanse fighter in the earlier years
LaGG-3, 6258 -- for early-war German/Russian scenarios
Ki-21 (Sally), 2064 -- a much-used Japanese bomber
Yak-7, 6339 -- for mid-war German/Russian scenarios
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More versions of the Me-262
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More versions of the Me-262
Me-262 A1 i think it was called littel faster only 2 cannons the ki-44 wouldnt be bad to have or some new planes for Italy
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I'd still go by numbers produced in WWII for the various countries for adding planes, with some ordering based on what would be nice to fill out scenarios. The list below are the most-produced planes, for each country, that are not already in the game. I then shuffled and interleaved the order of countries based on a preference for which aircraft are most useful for scenarios. For example, the Japanese plane set is missing its major bomber (the G4M) and it's best and most-produced torpedo and divebombers (the B6N and the D4Y); and the Russian plane set could use one of its major attack planes (the Pe-2) and more representation for early and mid war (I-16, Yak-1, etc.).
He 111, 7300 -- for Battle of Britain
Pe-2, 11427 -- a major Soviet attack plane, 2nd only to the Il-2
G4M (Betty), 2446 -- the main Japanese bomber
D4Y Suisei (Judy), 2038 -- the most-produced Japanese divebomber (better and faster than the D3A)
B6N Tenzan (Jill), 1268 -- the most-produced Japanese torpedo/carrier bomber (upgrade of the B5N)
I-16, 9004 -- for early-war German/Russian scenarios
Yak-1, 8720 -- for early-war German/Russian scenarios
Ki-43 Hayabusa (Oscar), 5919 -- a much-used Japanse fighter in the earlier years
LaGG-3, 6258 -- for early-war German/Russian scenarios
Ki-21 (Sally), 2064 -- a much-used Japanese bomber
Yak-7, 6339 -- for mid-war German/Russian scenarios
Indeed, not to mention:
Beaufighter, 5928 -- British heavy fighter/nightfighter/torpedo bomber/attacker used in every theatre.
Halifax, 6176 -- British heavy bomber
Wellington, 11461 -- widely used British bomber
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Beaufighter, 5928 -- British heavy fighter/nightfighter/torpedo bomber/attacker used in every theatre.
Halifax, 6176 -- British heavy bomber
Wellington, 11461 -- widely used British bomber
Yep, I agree.
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Brewster Buffalo?
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Brewster Buffalo?
Good reminder. Yep, I'd add that, too, just not in my top 10.
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IMO... AH2 needs to concentrate on Soviet, Japanese, Italian, and Frenchy aricraft. Oh, and maybe a German plane or two. Otherwise, leave the US and UK on the back burner for a few updates. Instead of adding more US or UK planes, fix the ones we've got. If a US or UK plane just HAS to be added, then add in another Mossi variant. ;)
Fill in the glaring gaps.
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We need a Soviet level bomber. For the 1,000'th time we need one.
The best they made was the TU-ll, "and Im having visions of Soviet missions where they strike airfields while escorted by P-39s and LAs."
Man that would be awsome. All that speed and steam heading to an airfield near you.
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We need a Soviet level bomber. For the 1,000'th time we need one.
The best they made was the TU-ll, "and Im having visions of Soviet missions where they strike airfields while escorted by P-39s and LAs."
Man that would be awsome. All that speed and steam heading to an airfield near you.
Here are the attack and bombing aircraft the Soviets used, with numbers used. For level bombers, I'd go with the SB-2 or Il-4 before the Tu-2, although the Soviets used mostly attack aircraft rather than level bombers (Il-2 and Pe-2 are 70% of the list below).
Il-2, 29937
Pe-2, 11427
SB-2, 6656
Il-4, 5256
A-20, 2700 (supplied from US)
Tu-2, 2527
DB-3, 1528
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bombers, I'd go with the SB-2 or Il-4 before the Tu-2,
Il-2, 29937
Pe-2, 11427
SB-2, 6656
Il-4, 5256
A-20, 2700 (supplied from US)
Tu-2, 2527
DB-3, 1528
The numbers don't tell the whole tale. There were well over 2000 Cr.32s or 42s in Italian inventory when the war broke out but none of these were front-line fighters, they were phased out into training units and were so obsolete they couldn't even perform as night bombers. Yet the next most common plane produced in the war, the C.202, was the frontline fighter, and took over and surpassed its predecessors (c.200/g.50), and was the most common plane after 1941 to engage the allies. The C.202 only had 1500 built.
So numbers don't quite tell the tale here. The DB-3/IL-4 (same plane) is a design so old it competes with the I-16. Early versions (early for WW2's time I mean) have WW1-style cowlings housing the motors. It was completely obsolete, and while it was pressed into combat, it was not what folks look back on and consider one of the keystone aircraft of the VVS.
The SB-2 is just as old as the IL-4, and just as obsolete.
Really, the workhorse aircraft for ground attack and bombing were the IL2, the PE-2, and the TU-2.
The Tu2 is a 1944 plane, the Pe2 fills in before that point, and the il2 runs alongside both. We may need an extra version of the IL2 and maybe a couple of PE-2s, but with these three planes you have, basically, covered the entirety of the key bomber/attackers in the VVs (not counting lend/lease)
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How cool would it be to have the Cr-32 or some of the last of the fighting biplanes in the EW arena. The Hs-123, the swordfish....
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I wonder if there is any practical limit to the number of planes AH can have? Each plane increases the game download size since the art for it has to be included in the base file. Are there any other considerations? Do more planes slow up the game for those with slower computers even if they don't load skins? Just curious.
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I think the largest issue, resource-wise, is the many skins for each plane.
I think each plane isn't a concern because you're not displaying every one on your screen at the same time. On top of that, you only need to display the many little bitmaps/etc on your own ride, you don't have these on enemy planes.
I think it's other things, not the addition of craft itself
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How cool would it be to have the Cr-32 or some of the last of the fighting biplanes in the EW arena. The Hs-123, the swordfish....
Would be cool if we actually had an early war plane set in AH other than the couple of planes we do have that actually fall within that time line. They way it is, the early war is the largest hole in the AH plane set, closely followed by the Mid War plane set.
ack-ack
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That Ki43 Hayabusa (Oscar) is really a glaring omission. It was the most important land based fighter for the better part of the war. It was also a great ride in Air Warrior.
Magoo
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The numbers don't tell the whole tale. There were well over 2000 Cr.32s or 42s in Italian inventory when the war broke out but none of these were front-line fighters, they were phased out into training units and were so obsolete they couldn't even perform as night bombers. Yet the next most common plane produced in the war, the C.202, was the frontline fighter, and took over and surpassed its predecessors (c.200/g.50), and was the most common plane after 1941 to engage the allies. The C.202 only had 1500 built.
What?
The Regia Aeronautica's OOB on June 10th, 1940 (the day Italy entered the war with France);
1^Squadra Aerea
3^ Stormo-Cr.42
53^ Stormo-Cr.42
54^Stormo-C.200
9^Gruppo-Cr.42
2^ Squadra Aerea
1^ Stormo-Cr.42/32
6^ Gruppo Autonomo-C.200
3^ Squadra Aerea
51^ Stormo-G.50
52^ Stormo-G.50/Cr.32
4^ Squadra Aerea
2^ Gruppo Autonomo-Cr32
Aeronautica della Sardegna
3^ Gruppo Autonomo-Cr.32
Aeronautica dell'Albania
160^ Gruppo Autonomo-Cr.32
Aeronautica dell'Egeo
163^ Squadriglia Autonomo-Cr.32
Aeronautica della Libia
2^ Stormo-Cr.32/42
10^ Gruppo-Cr.32
Aeronautica dell'AOI
410^ Squadriglia Autonomo-Cr.32
411^ Squadriglia Autonomo-Cr.32
412^ Squadriglia Autonomo-Cr.42
413^ Squadriglia Autonomo-Cr.42
Total fighters in frontline service available on June 10th, 1940- 77 C.200's, 88 G.50's, 177 C.32's and 200 Cr.42's. Much of the fighting in France by the Regia Aeronautica was fought by Cr.42's of 1 Squadra Aerea. Outnumbering the French, the Cr.42's still did poorly against D.520's and Ms.406's.
When Italy finally started participating on in the Battle of Britain in October 1940, they're contribution to the front was 50 Cr.42's, 48 G.50's, 75 Br.20's and 5 Z1007's.
Again in Greece and Albania, most of the fighting was done by G.50's and Cr.42's.
Again in Africa, near the beginning of the war in the theater, the Regia Aeronautica's presence in the region consisted mainly of Cr.42's, G.50's and C.200's, with C.202's being slowly phased in.
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the P-40 N, would be a nice addition
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HE-111
PE-2
G4M betty(my fav =p)
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He 111 :aok
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Any WW2 Fleet Air Arm type. I was born in Gosport, Hampshire, where the great Smith-Barry taught the world to fly, just west of Portsmouth and about three miles from HMS Daedulus, HQ of the FAA when I was a sprog. The first WW2 aircraft I ever saw was a dear ol' Stringbag.
{ignores the hoots of laughter from the 'Cadillac of the Skies' Brigade}
Gimme accurately modelled photo-real Fairey Swordfish Mks I, II and III and you can shoot me down as often as you like.
Splice the mainbrace!
:salute
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We do need some Japanese fighters added to the planeset imho.
Ki100
Ki44III or IIc
J2M5
and the Beaufighter
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We do need some Japanese fighters added to the planeset imho.
Ki100
Ki44III or IIc
J2M5
for sure! also like to see ki43, Ki45 & Ki46. anything with a meatball on it would be cool.
edit: just noticed you can type "ki" and just about any number a Japanese plane will come up in google.