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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: twiggs on August 08, 2006, 06:06:03 AM
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You should get the B25H in AH. I think that would be a cool add on in aces high.
:aok
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What does the b25 do that the B26 doesn't do better?
Except perhaps a 75mm howitzer in the nose.
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Yep, thats why its not here dude.
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Hey Ghosth
I know it wont happen but I can never get past stuff like this
The B-25 was flown by numerous air forces, including England, China and Russia, and was built in numerous variations. Some variants mounted up to 14 0.5 Browning machine guns or even a 75mm M-4 cannon. These attack variants proved devastating to Japanese shipping and in the ground attack role.
(http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/URG/images/b25-004.jpg)
(http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/URG/images/b25-015.jpg)
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madddddnnnnneeesssss, that would knock out ships alrite.
Somethin new is needed, doesnt matter wat it is, we need somethin new.
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Originally posted by bkbandit
madddddnnnnneeesssss, that would knock out ships alrite.
Somethin new is needed, doesnt matter wat it is, we need somethin new.
Too bad the 5" guns will kill you 3k away
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Originally posted by Ghosth
What does the b25 do that the B26 doesn't do better?
Except perhaps a 75mm howitzer in the nose.
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Yep, thats why its not here dude.
The thing the B25 has over the B26 is that the B25 is just so sexy to look at, and is just one hot bird. The B26 on the otherhand is just plain ugly in life and in the game.
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lets see, the B25H has way better armor alone compared to the b26. The B25H has the 75mm cannon,14 browning .50 caliber machine guns. In addition the B25H can carry 3,200 pounds of bombs or a 2,000 pound aerial torpedo plus it can carry eight 5 inch rockets under the wings. there is 2 different models of engines are in the B25H, which are R-2600-13 or the R-2600-29 which both engines do produce 1,700 hp at take off. all in a basket i think the B25H would be a great noe mission style plane or killing cv's. which ever a person shall use this great all around bird for use. was just a idea. The b26 does have its stuff, but in my book doesnt even come close to the B25H
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Originally posted by ded
Too bad the 5" guns will kill you 3k away
As they should, no level bomber sunk a CV in WWII.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
As they should, no level bomber sunk a CV in WWII.
Yeah but weren't there less than 300 LA-7 with the three cannon option.....
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Mussie sir, don't get me wrong, I wouldn't "mind" seeing a b25 come to AH.
I just got over expecting it a LONG time ago.
Actually I'd like to see a couple of the earlier models free for the main.
Perk the H model low, 6 - 10 perks. Gives us bomber types something to spend perks on and have some fun.
That "should" keep it reined in enough to make it not such a problem.
But I want about 10 - 12 Russian, Japanese, & Italian birds AHEAD of the b25.
We have all the main US fighters except the P39, Why?
We have most of the main US bombers.
What we really need is Russian, German, Italian, and Japanese mid & heavy bombers. Late war Japanese Navy Attack planes.
And then we need Flying Boats. PBY's, Short Sunderlands, H8K & H6k Japanese flying Boats, etc. The whole works.
The flying boats are a logical step to have done BEFORE we get subs.
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Originally posted by mussie
Yeah but weren't there less than 300 LA-7 with the three cannon option.....
368. But let's not leave the N1K2 all alone in the corner. :aok Only 415 were produced.
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I agree ghosth.
Btw mussie, I'd love to see the 25 in the game. However, I'd like to see the I.A.R. 81c, PBY, Mig-3 and P-39 first. However we have enough HO wagons in the arsenal. Hell I'd love to see the Stuka with the 37mm gun pods, but again, those would be the new HO wagon.
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If they brought the b25h in and left off the formations it would be something between the a20 and the b26. I'd love to see it in there. Would make a great SEA event to do the doolittle raid!
Has anyone thought of perking not the plane, but specific ordnance configurations? Maybe perk it with a torp, or with the giant nose gun. Could make a good balance.
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Yea there werent that many la7 wit 3 cannons and niks, o well they will never perk them.
The dolittle raid isnt a reason to do b25s, then people will be wanting it as a permanet carrier plane, the sbd and tbm are all u need(if u could get off the deck fully load and fully fueled). b25 wit a monster cannon would be cool for kill towns and tanks, i doubt it will be a ho wagon, move out of the way its a bomber wont to much to position ur self for the kill.
We need alot of earlier war planes. We need more planes period. there was a british bomber before lancester(i forgot the name) we need that, we need some german bombers, he111 should have been here a long time ago, the BETTY should have been here. More gvs, the sharmen should have been here. Everything listed here should be added to the list, the pby and other recon planes can wait till we get subs but somethin new has to come.
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Well, sence evey1 talking about other planes needed, you should get some more gv's, like american tanks and etc. another thing that would be a cool add on is the JU-52, the reason i say the JU-52 is becuase it has top gunner and side gunners to protect it some what better than the C-47, but the C-47 is a bit faster and has a bit faster climb rate then the JU-52 but it would be good to have a choice on what troop/field supply or gv supply carrier you would wanted to fly.
And to clarify the doolittle raid, they used the B25C model which only had a top,nose and tail gunner. And they had to take out the top and tail gun's on the B25C to just get it off the carrier. The B25H with its cannon would never ever lift off a cv. There is also the B25J model too. The B25J and the B25H can carry rockets and yes they had more gunners then the B25C. And like i said before yes I like the B25's alot, got several books on them and the B-17's and P-38's, But who cares. Just would like to see the B25H or all 3 models the B25C B25J and the B25H the most. If anything no perks on the B25C, 5 or 10 perks on the B25J and like 30 to 100 perks for the B25H.
I agree we need some more planes here and there, But some more gv's would be cool. :aok
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Oh I am right there with ya Ghosth...
I would love the B-25H but I think I have more chance of a Playboy Pet O The Month three some than ever seeing it...
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Who exactly are you referring to when you say "you"?
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The way I see it, if HTC keeps producing this game for years to come, there's really no reason to not expect darn near all of the planes they can find data for to be included in the game... Eventually.
I personally don't think they're going so slowly about it, either. Yeah, no new stuff until CT is done, but just since AH2, let's look at what new stuff we've got:
P38G
P38J
Me109G14
Me109K4
Spit VIII
Spit XVI
Ki84
B24
T34
P47N
There's 10 new toys (ok, some are pretty close to what we had already *109s* but they're new nonetheless).
Then, of course, you have the remodels:
P38L
P51B
P51D
Spit I
Spit V
Spit IX
Spit XIV
Me109E
Me109F
Me109G2
Me109G6
B17
P47D11
P47D25
P47D40
Fw190A5
Fw190A8
Fw190D9
Fw190F8
That's 19 (plus or minus one or two that I'm missing or got wrong)...
So 10 new toys and 19 remodelled ones in the roughly two years since AH II went full-scale.
How many new things did we see in any two years of AWIII?
Absolutely none.
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Originally posted by Vudak
That's 19 (plus or minus one or two that I'm missing or got wrong)...
So 10 new toys and 19 remodelled ones in the roughly two years since AH II went full-scale.
How many new things did we see in any two years of AWIII?
Absolutely none.
Hey damit let me have my Playboy Pet O The Month Dream Damit..... :p
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Originally posted by mussie
Hey damit let me have my Playboy Pet O The Month Dream Damit..... :p
Oh, by all means, keep poking and prodding away :D I plan on bumping my Commonwealth Boomerang thread every year or so, that's for sure :cool:
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I like the concept of perking ordinance. I dont need the 75mm in the 25, but i DO want a 25 with more than 3 guns. Andnyes, lets get some more german bombers. I hate the fact that you have to fly the 17s and 24s if you want to hit hard. Oh yeah, and the lanc. But basically, in the SEA, the allies have us kicked, flat out.
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That's a good point about the later b25 models and not being able to get off a CV deck. I hadn't thought about that one. Still, I see no reason why a b25C wouldn't make a good SEA plane for a doolittle raid scenario. It was a special case, and anyone arguing for a permanent CV B25 should go check their history.
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Originally posted by 68Hawk
That's a good point about the later b25 models and not being able to get off a CV deck. I hadn't thought about that one. Still, I see no reason why a b25C wouldn't make a good SEA plane for a doolittle raid scenario. It was a special case, and anyone arguing for a permanent CV B25 should go check their history.
I got a whole folder of data on the doolittle raid, was thinking of trying to make up a snapshot but RL got in the way
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We could still set up a Doolitle SEA event with single b26s and a ground base (with china on the other side for landing).
Hell, the Yamamoto's despair event has p38s taking off from a CV!
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Ya can get off a CV in the B-26 ya just gotta move your self to the left a bit before take off... Fairly easy once you get the hang of it....
I was figuring on having 16 b-26's take off with a gunner on each thats 32 pilots for allied....
Could make it a "Modified History" Snapshot and have twice as many B26's that would give you 64 on the allied side.
Some ppl think that the doolittle raid did not get fired upon by enemy aircraft. This is incorrect I have a copy of General Doolittles AAR and a number of the planes in the raid were fired upon by enemy AC.
EDIT: Have a look at this thread http://www.flyaceshigh.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=176005&highlight=doolittle (http://www.flyaceshigh.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=176005&highlight=doolittle)
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Twiggs, you are in Spokane? I'm in Coeur d'Alene as I type.
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Yes im in Spokane, sorry for the late get back, i was in tillamook Oregon. Just got back the other day.
And using B-26's for a sub. in a doolittle raid...thats so totaly wrong to do. use the b25 if and when AHII gets it.
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Every time somebody requests the B25H with the 75mm from now on, I'm going to say the following:
"Forget the H! We need the C and J!"
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Sorry krusrty I disagree
What we need are Unique planes with somthing different about them that give us somthing to spend our perks on...
We have a bunch of buffs and the 26 has 50 cals on the front.
I would like the b-25 used in the doolittle raid, b or c iirc but that is just so we can emulate the doolittle raid.....
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IMHO the H model will not be implemented. There will be to much abuse of the cannon. I can think of it as a buff hunter(three kills with 3 rounds:eek: ), tank buster, and ship deacker/killer. It will overballance the game, witch Hightech will not do.
Therefore the H model has about as much chance as a snowball in the center of the sun. I do invision maybe a C/J model B-25.
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I don't see how it would over balance the game. It's a bomber, not a fighter. In order to use that big cannon, you'd have to get in close. A below average fighter jock would be able to kill it without too much trouble. Now the La-7 and Spit 16 over balance the game. I'd rather see 100 B-25's cruising around the virtual sky than those planes.
I'd suggest the C model (no cheek guns) for early war, the H model (small perk cost, no formations) and the J model (4 cheek guns) late war. Need the para frags also, those would be fun to play with.
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Well, why not have all 3 B25's the C,J and H and the C and B model are the same in ways, they both can take off from the cv's so u can use them in ur doolittle raid. The J and H model, perk them, put a high perk on the H model like how the 262 is and the J model make it like the 162, then we will have our perk bombers, the jet bombe ris nice at times, but i never really see any1 fly them as much. and make the the C model no perk. and on kill a B25 from any of these models in a fighter...just kill them from under neither where they have no guns. The para frag and skip bombs in the J model would be fun as hell in AH spec. on gv's and what not, and planes trying to take off and AA for sure.
:aok
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Was doing a little searching and ran across this post from nearly a year ago. Was interesting to see how the opinions/discussion was compared to now
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wow what a flashback :aok
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Hrm.....
In.
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Of course you would IN. :rofl
But yeah, while interesting this debate would be realy pointless and as a matter of fact just some people's opinions and views from the past.
We had the debate, the vote, now we have the end resault.
The b25.
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Must be football season.
There is an awful lot of punting going on.
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Whats the secret for dropping dumb bombs out of the "H"? The bomber is far more of a glide bomber and doesnt like the verticle. Thank you.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Must be football season.
There is an awful lot of punting going on.
Good one Gup:lol