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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GRUNHERZ on August 08, 2006, 07:28:06 AM
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On another message board I came across these links to a set of videos shwing Canadian soldiers fighthing in Afghanistan. Looks like the guys are kicking butt.
Canadian troops
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxSmkwWNsOE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2r3C0PJ1LM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_S9P1kMNuM&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaC-w2dIxZc
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Good vids
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Good stuff:aok
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Did you see this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo2xjzL8Taw&mode=related&search=
Notice the Stg44?
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http://www.militaryvideos.net/ had higher quality version.
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Amazing that there is still combat going on in Afghanistan. Another "Mission Accomplished" I guess.
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Mac
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Originally posted by Edbert1
Did you see this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo2xjzL8Taw&mode=related&search=
Notice the Stg44?
what was that in the box at the end? (no sound here at work) someone's head?
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Its sad that that kind of footage isnt shown on our Canadian news programs, we have to get it from the internet. Most Cdn reporters just stand in front of a truck in Khandahar and say something about "Cdn troops were involved in heavy fighting". Was the same when our forces were in the former Yugoslavia, they went out of their way to ignore what they did there in regards to combat missions. Maybe they thought if they didnt report it "all the bad war would go away".
I think they didnt want to show our soldiers doing anything that didnt involve a UN "feed the children" program.
Anyways, its nice to see some recognition that we have been involved in the Afghanistan mission. I hope they all come home safe, with the the other nations troops too. :aok
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFaUY1IIYJI&mode=related&search=
Nicely done... brought tears and a prayer that all troops will someday come home safe.
No one prays for Peace more than a man/woman in the Military...yet when we are called to serve there is no hesitation.
To all that have served and are still... <<>>
Mac
US Army Ret.
'75~'95.
Prayers and Gods speed.
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The last of the Canadian videos reminded me of the some of the combat footage shot in the south pacific with the Marines in WW2. Probably not quite the intensity.
That cameraman is a brave guy. Too much of that kind of footage will get a man killed eventually.
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Great Tributes!!!
Oh Canada
Mac
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Amazing that there is still combat going on in Afghanistan. Another "Mission Accomplished" I guess.
Absolutely!
All wars should fit into a one-hour prime time slot. That's about 42 minutes of war and 18 minutes of commercials. The last two minutes of the show should be complete and total victory.
The nerve of people making war run longer than a prime time slot.
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42 minutes is a difficult goal, but with $300B and all of the forces that were prematurely pulled out to go chasing snipes in the Persian Gulf, who knows what the CIA and military could have done there?
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Funked might well have a point.
One of the British suspects detained in Pakistan as part of the investigation into the alleged plot to blow up planes flying from Great Britain to the U.S. is connected to the militant Islamic leader Maulana Masood Azhar...it is believed rebel members of his group are now forging links with Osama Bin Laden's Afghanistan-based network....a senior Pakistani intelligence official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told reporters in Islamabad that an al-Qaeda leader based in Afghanistan masterminded the British plot.
Source (http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1227651,00.html)
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
42 minutes is a difficult goal, but with $300B and all of the forces that were prematurely pulled out to go chasing snipes in the Persian Gulf, who knows what the CIA and military could have done there?
Well maybe we could have somehow pacified the border region in Pakistan where the current crop of A-Q and Taliban retreads are hanging out.
I don't think Pakistan would let us invade that area militarily though, do you?
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none of this would have happened if we had just all converted to funamentalist muslim when we found out that they were angry with us.
or.... we could just encourage them to act like socialists.
lazs
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Yo,
Having spoken frequently with guys who have been over there, while the mountains and the caves are a big problem, the terrain is not the problem with subduing Afghanistan - the borders are.
At present the current Taliban/Al Qaeda policy is to establish permanent camps in Pakistan and then raid into Afghanistan, using friendly villages as base camps for operations. When they have pulled a few ambushes, planted some mines, triggered some IEDs, decapitated some teachers, and blown up the new hospital and water supply, they retreat back into their safe areas in Pakistan. Meanwhile, their losses are constantly replaced by new Jihadis being trained in the Pakistani Masjids and Madrassas. To win in Afghanistan, we would have to dismantle that Jihadi support/safety infrastructure on the Pakistani side of the border, which would involve elminating the schools of Islamic instruction on that side - which obviously isn't going to happen.
So instead we will fight an endless hit and run war with them, and as soon as US politics finally forces us to withdraw, they'll gradually tighten the noose around the Afghan government in Kabul, kill all the teachers, bomb the new schools, hospitals, and whatever infrastructure we've added, eliminate the aid organizations, assasinate the local government and then eventually topple the new government and then reestablish the Islamic Talibani government, make the country into one huge Jihadi training camp and return the people of Afghanistan to the endless cycle of oppression, misery and hopelessness they endured throughout the 90s.
We'll lose, because unlike the Jihadis, we refuse to accept we are at war with an ideology and act accordingly, not because of some difficult terrain.
- SEAGOON
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Yo,
Having spoken frequently with guys who have been over there, while the mountains and the caves are a big problem, the terrain is not the problem with subduing Afghanistan - the borders are.
At present the current Taliban/Al Qaeda policy is to establish permanent camps in Pakistan and then raid into Afghanistan, using friendly villages as base camps for operations. When they have pulled a few ambushes, planted some mines, triggered some IEDs, decapitated some teachers, and blown up the new hospital and water supply, they retreat back into their safe areas in Pakistan. Meanwhile, their losses are constantly replaced by new Jihadis being trained in the Pakistani Masjids and Madrassas. To win in Afghanistan, we would have to dismantle that Jihadi support/safety infrastructure on the Pakistani side of the border, which would involve elminating the schools of Islamic instruction on that side - which obviously isn't going to happen.
So instead we will fight an endless hit and run war with them, and as soon as US politics finally forces us to withdraw, they'll gradually tighten the noose around the Afghan government in Kabul, kill all the teachers, bomb the new schools, hospitals, and whatever infrastructure we've added, eliminate the aid organizations, assasinate the local government and then eventually topple the new government and then reestablish the Islamic Talibani government, make the country into one huge Jihadi training camp and return the people of Afghanistan to the endless cycle of oppression, misery and hopelessness they endured throughout the 90s.
We'll lose, because unlike the Jihadis, we refuse to accept we are at war with an ideology and act accordingly, not because of some difficult terrain.
- SEAGOON
Very true Seagoon. I saw a report by our special forces operating in the mountains and they frequently ambush small Taliban groups moving across the border. The guys can spend up to 14 days in a small OP close to trails and they ambush the taliban warriors as soon as they get a positive ID that they are armed. Problem is that they cant know for sure if they are taliban or not until they ge verifiaction from other sources or they are clearly armed. They cant pop ou and ask either cause then they may reveal their OP so often they just report them and let them pass for others to deal with. Im glad im not the one hiking with 100kg packs and living in cramped OPs for 2 weeks at a time.
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Originally posted by Toad
Well maybe we could have somehow pacified the border region in Pakistan where the current crop of A-Q and Taliban retreads are hanging out.
I don't think Pakistan would let us invade that area militarily though, do you?
You're right, it's impossible. We shouldn't have attempted it in the first place. No amount or money or troops or materiel could have sped things up.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
You're right, it's impossible. We shouldn't have attempted it in the first place. No amount or money or troops or materiel could have sped things up.
I don't think it's impossible at all. However, you're propagating the idea that somehow money/troops/material would settle it forever.
As was discussed in another thread about who owns the land, the fighting goes on until one side completely gives up. Clearly, A-Q and the Taliban haven't completely given up yet.
I am sorry that it seems to have exceeded your allowed time for a permanent solution.
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Originally posted by Toad
I don't think it's impossible at all. However, you're propagating the idea that somehow money/troops/material would settle it forever.
As was discussed in another thread about who owns the land, the fighting goes on until one side completely gives up. Clearly, A-Q and the Taliban haven't completely given up yet.
I am sorry that it seems to have exceeded your allowed time for a permanent solution.
And all the money and men and materiel that the PNACers pissed away in Iraq wouldn't have made a difference.
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Where are the problem areas in Afghanistan right now?
Either on the border with Iran or the border with Pakistan, don't you agree?
Pakistan has been pretty resolute about not allowing US or Coalition military operations on its territory.
Iran would probably consider it an act of war.
I don't think money/troops/equipment would change either of those situations.
Do you think the A-Q/Taliban operate freely in Afghanistan proper? Or have they been fairly well contained?
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Originally posted by Mustaine
what was that in the box at the end? (no sound here at work) someone's head?
The statue of Saddam Hussein that was so magnificently torn down, that's the head.
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