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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Vudak on August 09, 2006, 06:21:48 PM
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Ok, so there's currently a HO thread, and a La7 thread, might as well start a rank thread :D
So..... How come it seems like you can never get a low ranked pilot into the DA for some friendly duels?
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Ask SHawk he'll go, i think he normally has a low rank :D
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
Ask SHawk he'll go, i think he normally has a low rank :D
I'm sure many will (and will do phenomenal in there, too). It was a generalized post caused by a bit of frustration earlier.
Even so, we all know "those guys" :D
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Originally posted by Vudak
Ok, so there's currently a HO thread, and a La7 thread, might as well start a rank thread :D
So..... How come it seems like you can never get a low ranked pilot into the DA for some friendly duels?
Vudak sorry for no response the other night, I didnt think I was going to be on that long! Text me again when u see me on, like this map we got now sux, so let me know! :aok BTW Im not a low ranked pilot tho! :D
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Vudak sorry for no response the other night, I didnt think I was going to be on that long! Text me again when u see me on, like this map we got now sux, so let me know! :aok BTW Im not a low ranked pilot tho! :D
you are a low skilled pilot, tho!:lol
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because, if they have low rank, that obviously means they suk therefore have nothing to offer in DA except suk. :aok
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Originally posted by Baylor
because, if they have low rank, that obviously means they suk therefore have nothing to offer in DA except suk. :aok
Oh hush, you, you know darn well you've run into what I'm talking about, and you know darn well you aren't it ;)
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vudak, why are you even bothering with this dead horse? it's been beaten so badly it's just a rotting, maggot-ridden sack of goo
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Vudka i tryed last mounth for low rank and i secceded lol im not sure how but did think i ended up at like 10 or sec but i go in the DA ALL the time.. ussuly once a day..."even thoug i stink"... with guys like marsair sconic shawk.....and my whole squad .....jsut letting u know
P.S i am not trying for low rank this tour
:lol
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Originally posted by wetrat
vudak, why are you even bothering with this dead horse? it's been beaten so badly it's just a rotting, maggot-ridden sack of goo
Because I get frustrated, like everyone else
Edit - the reason I posted this was because today I asked a number of low ranked pilots if they'd like to go. None accepted. I didn't ask everyone, just a few, but I thought it was interesting, and wondered why.
I also wonder why I can usually tell if a person has really low rank before I even get shot down by them or shoot them down. I've been playing long enough to have a good idea. And the tell tale signs aren't exactly flattering.
This is a really broad brush though, and I think I'll be putting it down now.
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I got pacerr into the DA once...
:D
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Originally posted by wetrat
you are a low skilled pilot, tho!:lol
Maybe! :rolleyes: hee hee
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Originally posted by Stang
I got pacerr into the DA once...
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oh wow... that couldnt have been pretty. got a film? even the clips I have of me embarrassing him in the MA are ugly...
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Originally posted by Stang
I got pacerr into the DA once...
:D
Stang and I got pacerr to have a meltdown once
:D
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Im low class. Does that count?
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my 2 cents...
1) in order to have a low rank you have to be scoring in all categories
2) many low rank pilots are getting their rank by using vehicles/bombers and are not scoring with fiters
3) fiter scoring is messed up imho...high k:d ratios which require patience and survival skills screw you up because your points and kills/hour and kills/sortie are horrible. therefore to get a good fiter score you are rewarded by simply upping into furballs and spraying away. you will improve 3 categories vs 1. would like to see k/d weighted more.
4) i have a low score but it is mainly because im in a squad that runs all different missions and that seems to affect all categories. since i dont gv (tank town) or buff except for captures i do use the old "rockets into a town" and ju87s into a factory technique to offset all the deaths and lack of damage that i get penalized for by trying to sneak goons and m3s into towns. again i would love to see captures weighted as they are more often unsuccessful then not.
so as you are suggesting...scoring is bs...most low raked pilots are not "fiter aces" and often they are team players who are getting scoring in all categories that droop their rank. these guys probably are more interested in ma battles then going to the da.
i like the da..have learned alot in there (ty creton and skyrock)...but really the guy with more experience in there will win as he/she has mastered merges that almost never occur in the ma. so im not sure what it proves...there are guys i can smoke in the da that i dont like to see in ma fights because they are better when the variables (speed..e...alt) are not equal:aok
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pacerr meltdown.....surely you jest.lol. he once was so p.o.ed at one of my squaddies because he was hunting him down and wasting him that he came on private channel...frotthing at the mouth and screaming..hilarious.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
my 2 cents...
1) in order to have a low rank you have to be scoring in all categories
2) many low rank pilots are getting their rank by using vehicles/bombers and are not scoring with fiters
3) fiter scoring is messed up imho...high k:d ratios which require patience and survival skills screw you up because your points and kills/hour and kills/sortie are horrible. therefore to get a good fiter score you are rewarded by simply upping into furballs and spraying away. you will improve 3 categories vs 1. would like to see k/d weighted more.
4) i have a low score but it is mainly because im in a squad that runs all different missions and that seems to affect all categories. since i dont gv (tank town) or buff except for captures i do use the old "rockets into a town" and ju87s into a factory technique to offset all the deaths and lack of damage that i get penalized for by trying to sneak goons and m3s into towns. again i would love to see captures weighted as they are more often unsuccessful then not.
so as you are suggesting...scoring is bs...most low raked pilots are not "fiter aces" and often they are team players who are getting scoring in all categories that droop their rank. these guys probably are more interested in ma battles then going to the da.
i like the da..have learned alot in there (ty creton and skyrock)...but really the guy with more experience in there will win as he/she has mastered merges that almost never occur in the ma. so im not sure what it proves...there are guys i can smoke in the da that i dont like to see in ma fights because they are better when the variables (speed..e...alt) are not equal:aok
you're forgetting about hit % falc
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....and all of the while they can play "Admiral Halsey" while they move their cartoon Task Group around the map.
Vudak, if you see me online I'll go. I'm not great, but I've shot em all down, at one point or another.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
....and all of the while they can play "Admiral Halsey" while they move their cartoon Task Group around the map.
Vudak, if you see me online I'll go. I'm not great, but I've shot em all down, at one point or another.
Me first, me first, will you DA with me Mash? You are right about not bein great but wrong about having shot all of them down. Lets try to make that right :D
If you win, I will follow your advice about what to do with my carrots, hehe
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
Me first, me first, will you DA with me Mash? You are right about not bein great but wrong about having shot all of them down. Lets try to make that right :D
If you win, I will follow your advice about what to do with my carrots, hehe
I think it's sad these "shades" pop up. The advice would still stand either way. Who were you "before"?
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
I think it's sad these "shades" pop up. The advice would still stand either way. Who were you "before"?
BugsBunny Jr? Does it matter? Or will it help you make the decison to fight or not? All kidding asside, we will both learn something from it.
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Not that I have *ever* been a low ranking pilot, but....
The only times I have had any luck in the DA finding someone is when one base is used by everyone with killshooter off. Not exactly dueling, but whatever. Are there better times for using the DA when people (who can and want to duel) are available? While I have not jumped back and forth from the MA to the DA in search of someone to duel with, virtually every time I enter the DA it's empty. I found the training arena to have some good fights on occasion (even though they aren't lethal). I suppose timing is everything.
Regards,
Malta
p.s. The few times I have been asked to enter the DA I have declined because I found interesting fighting in the MA. Fwiw, I am an advocate of a fighter town arena.
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Originally posted by stantond
Not that I have *ever* been a low ranking pilot, but....
The only times I have had any luck in the DA finding someone is when one base is used by everyone with killshooter off. Not exactly dueling, but whatever. Are there better times for using the DA when people (who can and want to duel) are available? While I have not jumped back and forth from the MA to the DA in search of someone to duel with, virtually every time I enter the DA it's empty. I found the training arena to have some good fights on occasion (even though they aren't lethal). I suppose timing is everything.
Regards,
Malta
p.s. The few times I have been asked to enter the DA I have declined because I found interesting fighting in the MA. Fwiw, I am an advocate of a fighter town arena.
Malta (and everyone who's expressed interest in getting into the DA),
For the past week or so, Bad Company Clan and friends have been in the DA every night from approximately 9:00ish EST to the wee hours. I hope this continues (I'm certainly game).
Anyone is welcome, and I encourage you all to drop by. We're usually on voice channel 202 or 203, and we'll all let you know what the rules are when you happen to stop in. Often, we circle around and do 1 v 1's. Sometimes, we'll do team fights. Some of the guys enjoy FFA's. That's not exactly my favorite but there's more then one field ;)
Any plane, keep the alt reasonable (4kish), and come have a blast. You can find fights against everything from Spits and La7's to F6F's, 109s, Ki84s, P40's, 38's, and, of course ( :D ) Corsairs.
The past week has had the added fun of watching Jamusta learn Pro Peddals. The next week, you'll all get to make fun of me trying to do the same :)
I have to say I have more fun, and more good fights, in one night in there then I could ever hope to get in the MA. We have good sticks, new sticks, and everything in between. Come on in and get some good practice.
All are welcome.
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
BugsBunny Jr? Does it matter? Or will it help you make the decison to fight or not? All kidding asside, we will both learn something from it.
Damn right it matters. I've been playing for over 4 years and am damn good at predicting "who the con is". But I understand with "shades", they need the element of surprise. :aok Even though a few have gone to "shades" but stick out like soar thumbs in terms of "flying style".
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It's been a long time since i've been to the DA. I would love to start going there again but as with malta, there is no-one in there when i'm online.
I would love to join you vudak but it would be 2am, far past my bedtime.:)
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Damn right it matters. I've been playing for over 4 years and am damn good at predicting "who the con is". But I understand with "shades", they need the element of surprise. :aok Even though a few have gone to "shades" but stick out like soar thumbs in terms of "flying style".
lol, so you can see their name when they are coming at you in the MA? I dont think you have to wory about the surprise element with me. I 4 years I have an assist on your panzer.
In anycase, I am just messing with ya. You could have taken the oportunity for a good 1 vs 1 fight, but you did not :lol
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Funny..... all i ever have to do is ask on Ch200 "Anyone want to go DA for a few fights?" - I usually find a victim or become one :).
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
lol, so you can see their name when they are coming at you in the MA? I dont think you have to wory about the surprise element with me. I 4 years I have an assist on your panzer.
In anycase, I am just messing with ya. You could have taken the oportunity for a good 1 vs 1 fight, but you did not :lol
Shades accounts are juvenile.
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Funny..... all i ever have to do is ask on Ch200 "Anyone want to go DA for a few fights?" - I usually find a victim or become one :).
Me too. SR was supposed to go last week but got caught up, which is cool. I'll be in there sometime this weekend.
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Originally posted by thrila
It's been a long time since i've been to the DA. I would love to start going there again but as with malta, there is no-one in there when i'm online.
I would love to join you vudak but it would be 2am, far past my bedtime.:)
Thrila, if you have some Euro buddies that want to get started earlier, just PM me if you see me in the MA... Or even if you'd just like to go alone.
Schatzi - yes, same thing here... But every so often you get frustrated and begin to wonder "can the ho'er/runner/cherrypicker do something else..." Many undoubtedly can and do... But it sometimes seems like some.... Well, you know :D
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Shades accounts are juvenile.
Many times, if you shrug and don't care, they aren't so shady anymore.
And no, I won't tell you :D
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Originally posted by Vudak
Many times, if you shrug and don't care, they aren't so shady anymore.
And no, I won't tell you :D
No biggie, I DO have a feeling on who "BugsBunny" is. Too funny IMO.
Vudak, I'm game for sometime over the weekend, or tomorrow night. PM me in the MA as I often have 200 squelched.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Vudak, I'm game for sometime over the weekend, or tomorrow night. PM me in the MA as I often have 200 squelched.
I'll look for you online, if you don't get any PMs this weekend pop into the DA and see if I'm already in there.
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Originally posted by Vudak
I'll look for you online, if you don't get any PMs this weekend pop into the DA and see if I'm already in there.
Will do Vudak.
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Originally posted by Nightshift82
you're forgetting about hit % falc
No 2 piece bikini for you falcnwng
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"I`ll Be Your Huckleberry"
(http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6048/kilmeryk0.jpg)
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Originally posted by Vudak
Schatzi - yes, same thing here... But every so often you get frustrated and begin to wonder "can the ho'er/runner/cherrypicker do something else..." Many undoubtedly can and do... But it sometimes seems like some.... Well, you know :D
One problem i see is this (even in this thread): Many of the vets are like, "everyone else takes the HO shots, so im taking them too".
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PS:
For all those that want to jump me now: YES i know im not perfect. Sometimes (hopefully rarely) you might catch me taking a *very* high deflection shot/HO or a vulch. But you can be sure ill feel bad about it a second later. Im trying to follow my own codex - not always managing to of course.[/size]
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Originally posted by Blixen
"I`ll Be Your Huckleberry"
(http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6048/kilmeryk0.jpg)
"Indeed,,,, you will be,sir"
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I'm a low ranker, anytime anyone wants to duel I'm up for it....just as long as you're alot better than me, otherwise I won't learn much. If you see me on the roster(unless I'm on a top secret mission) message me and we will battle. Lagger87 never runs from a fight(my planes are generally too slow).
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Originally posted by lagger86
I'm a low ranker, anytime anyone wants to duel I'm up for it....just as long as you're alot better than me, otherwise I won't learn much. If you see me on the roster(unless I'm on a top secret mission) message me and we will battle. Lagger87 never runs from a fight(my planes are generally too slow). [/QUOTE
:lol :lol :lol :lol Higher your rank the worse bub. And you spelt your name wrong. Your forum says lagger86 and you say "Lagger87 never runs from a fight".:lol :lol :lol :rolleyes:
I'll DA anyone just gotta be the right time. Considering my squad has 6 squad nights since we have 3 squads in one :noid
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Originally posted by SAS_KID I'll DA anyone just gotta be the right time. Considering my squad has 6 squad nights since we have 3 squads in one :noid
So THAT'S how they do it....:noid
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Originally posted by SAS_KID
Originally posted by lagger86
I'm a low ranker, anytime anyone wants to duel I'm up for it....just as long as you're alot better than me, otherwise I won't learn much. If you see me on the roster(unless I'm on a top secret mission) message me and we will battle. Lagger87 never runs from a fight(my planes are generally too slow). [/QUOTE
:lol :lol :lol :lol Higher your rank the worse bub. And you spelt your name wrong. Your forum says lagger86 and you say "Lagger87 never runs from a fight".:lol :lol :lol :rolleyes:
I'll DA anyone just gotta be the right time. Considering my squad has 6 squad nights since we have 3 squads in one :noid [/B]
I can spell my name however I want, besides my game and forum names differ by 1 digit, and when I say low ranked that means I'm not that good..I think I misunderstood the whole high/low rank thing. When I think high rank I think high scoring, thanks for pointing out the problems in my reply though...and all the smiley faces and eye rolling really bring it home. Thanks sassy smart guy.
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personally, I would like to go DA with some really good sticks to increase my knowledge and skill, but I find that often the offers for DA come from crap talkers, from whom I care to learn little. There are a bunch of guys on this thread I'd like to learn from...if I don't get discoed every stinking flight!
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Originally posted by 68Hall
personally, I would like to go DA with some really good sticks to increase my knowledge and skill, but I find that often the offers for DA come from crap talkers, from whom I care to learn little. There are a bunch of guys on this thread I'd like to learn from...if I don't get discoed every stinking flight!
I can't speak for everyone, but I've found that many of the "crap talkers" on the BBS and Channel 200 are nothing but nice guys, good sports, and helpful people once you go into the DA.
This is assuming, of course, that you don't go in there trying to prove something, and you leave your ego at the door.
I've only had one "bad" experience with a guy in the DA, and that was with a no namer after he had PM'd me calling me a "filthy vulcher who's ruining the game" or something like that. Guess it was doomed from the start :D
Every single time I've gone in with a well-known "mouth" I've found the experience rewarding.
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am i a well known mouth?:D
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
3) fiter scoring is messed up imho...high k:d ratios which require patience and survival skills screw you up because your points and kills/hour and kills/sortie are horrible. therefore to get a good fiter score you are rewarded by simply upping into furballs and spraying away. you will improve 3 categories vs 1. would like to see k/d weighted more.
It DOES seem to reward the up-a-niki/ki/spit-drive-2 min to fight...get 3-4kills and die crowd
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I for one have learned a lot from dueling...mostly how to bail correctly. 99% of the people there and in the MA are helpfull to low rankers like myself.
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yes twin , you are;) lets you and i go to the da so you can give me a lesson on how to make your twinboom into one boom. id appreciate it if youre able.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
my 2 cents...
1) in order to have a low rank you have to be scoring in all categories
2) many low rank pilots are getting their rank by using vehicles/bombers and are not scoring with fiters
3) fiter scoring is messed up imho...high k:d ratios which require patience and survival skills screw you up because your points and kills/hour and kills/sortie are horrible. therefore to get a good fiter score you are rewarded by simply upping into furballs and spraying away. you will improve 3 categories vs 1. would like to see k/d weighted more.
4) i have a low score but it is mainly because im in a squad that runs all different missions and that seems to affect all categories. since i dont gv (tank town) or buff except for captures i do use the old "rockets into a town" and ju87s into a factory technique to offset all the deaths and lack of damage that i get penalized for by trying to sneak goons and m3s into towns. again i would love to see captures weighted as they are more often unsuccessful then not.
so as you are suggesting...scoring is bs...most low raked pilots are not "fiter aces" and often they are team players who are getting scoring in all categories that droop their rank. these guys probably are more interested in ma battles then going to the da.
i like the da..have learned alot in there (ty creton and skyrock)...but really the guy with more experience in there will win as he/she has mastered merges that almost never occur in the ma. so im not sure what it proves...there are guys i can smoke in the da that i dont like to see in ma fights because they are better when the variables (speed..e...alt) are not equal:aok
What you mention about weighting K/D more is exactly the reason he can't get any of the top ranked fighter pilots in there. If you are a top ranked pilot you know good and well that a way to get a good K/D is to never go against anyone better than you, and never attack without a clear alt/speed advantage.
Makes for a slow arena with very timid pilots, much like it looks like now. =)
One other thing to mention here... you say that all K/H entails is flying into furballs and spraying away. I would say that guys like vudak, wetrat, kappa, levi, and quite a few others don't up into equal odds fights at all. Most of the time it is their one plane against 5+ enemies, and they keep killing until they run out of ammo. That is how they get their K/H up... :aok
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I have some questions about dueling and altitude. Why a 4k cap? Is that 4k above the current terrain, or 4k absolute? Also, does that mean you climb to 7k then dive to 4k for the initiation of the duel? Not that these questions are really important, Just curious.
Regards,
Malta
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Originally posted by stantond
I have some questions about dueling and altitude. Why a 4k cap? Is that 4k above the current terrain, or 4k absolute? Also, does that mean you climb to 7k then dive to 4k for the initiation of the duel? Not that these questions are really important, Just curious.
Regards,
Malta
Oh, 4k is just what we agree on before the match. You could set up anything, really. Some people do 3k, 5k, 7k, whatever.
And as far as the other part, I've always understood the alt limit to mean "You are at [4]k by the time icons show up. After and before that, whatever."
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Originally posted by Chalenge
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Kinda thought that was going to be a good one :D
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Why don't you MA fairies try the AvA arena if you want some decent duals? Not that the AvA is for the timid... :D
:noid
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The high/low rank terminology is confusing. The use of low rank meaning numerically low is strange. Who is the highest ranking tennis player, for example? The one at the top. The #1 player. He/she isn't the lowest ranked player. That would be the person at the bottom. A ranking is a sorted list with 1 at the top.
I too find the ranking forumla a little strange. RTB seems too undervalued. K/S and K/D are also important, but if you don't survive, what's the point? I think landings per sortie is a useful metric. It's hard to simultaneously optimize landings per sortie and kills per sortie. I've been thinking about it a little, and the scoring system I like is (K/D + K/S) * (L/S). I prefer this to the Yak and Avin system used by the WB crowd and also to the AH system.
Another metric that might be fun to see is perks/kill. I'm not as impressed with someone having a 5:1 kill:death ratio in a Tempest as compared to someone who does it in a P40. Perks/kill to me is "style points".
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
Why don't you MA fairies try the AvA arena if you want some decent duals? Not that the AvA is for the timid... :D
:noid
Just a guess, but maybe it is because they don't like the gangbanging cherry picking ho run mentality of the regulars there.
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Originally posted by drkorf
Another metric that might be fun to see is perks/kill. I'm not as impressed with someone having a 5:1 kill:death ratio in a Tempest as compared to someone who does it in a P40. Perks/kill to me is "style points".
I'll agree it's cool to see somebody in an early war ride that just rocks in it.
Flipside of that, it's not hard for a perk farmer to up an early war ride and head to a vulch. Plenty of moderate to high ENY aircraft to do it in. You could do it, I could do it. Doesn't mean we're crap pilots. It just means crap pilots can up early war rides and land a bunch of "kills" by knowing where to be @ the right time.
Planned "correctly", I could easily land over 200 kills in.. well... anything. Doesn't mean I'm teh ub3r l337 pilot. Just means I'm a dweeb with alot of newly acquired perks.
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Don't make the mistake of assuming a low rank means they can't DA. There's many a DA killer out there who gives a rodent's posterior about score or landing kills. I know a couple in the 2,000s who are easily top 5%-ers in a duel.
I guess what I am saying is that in game rank is a poor indicator of one's actual skill in a duel.
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Originally posted by Edbert1
Don't make the mistake of assuming a low rank means they can't DA. There's many a DA killer out there who gives a rodent's posterior about score or landing kills. I know a couple in the 2,000s who are easily top 5%-ers in a duel.
I guess what I am saying is that in game rank is a poor indicator of one's actual skill in a duel.
Eh, I should have been more clear. I was getting at low as in ranked 1-100, not 4000-2000 (or whatever).
I'm sure there are a ton of low (my definition) pilots who can do some serious damage in the DA. But I've run into my fair share of guys who just run, maybe doing a slight little jink. Even if I'm in the faster plane. Then when the inevitable happens, they up a Lala and start Hoing away, to get their "revenge."
Then you also have the guys who will run, run, run, and will only turn when you give up and go after someone that has a bit more tenacity.
Basically I'm saying I feel as though there are at least a few 1-100 ranked pilots who, pretty much, are god awful. Or at least that's the impression I get, seeing as how I don't see them trying. (I'm talking situations where it's only me and him, no one around to worry about getting picked by, etc.)
Then you ask them (politely) if they'd like to go to the DA, and they (the god awful ones) all seem to refuse. They must think that their cover will be blown and people will realize their rank means nothing. Newsflash, it already has.
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Exactly, you do get it. In game rank has little, almost nothing, to do with actual heads up, 1v1, pure ACM "skill". It is however a very good indicator of how well you understand the underlying score system and how well you play the score-game.
Sorry to interrupt, please continue :D
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Originally posted by Edbert1
Exactly, you do get it. In game rank has little, almost nothing, to do with actual heads up, 1v1, pure ACM "skill". It is however a very good indicator of how well you understand the underlying score system and how well you play the score-game.
Sorry to interrupt, please continue :D
Heck Ed, Friday I challenged a fellow Rook (who is a shades account) to duel to lock accounts. My 900ish rank to his 150ish rank. He logged after about a minute. But you are spot on, rank means watermelon in the DA.
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Originally posted by Edbert1
Don't make the mistake of assuming a low rank means they can't DA. There's many a DA killer out there who gives a rodent's posterior about score or landing kills. I know a couple in the 2,000s who are easily top 5%-ers in a duel.
I guess what I am saying is that in game rank is a poor indicator of one's actual skill in a duel.
Well I HAVE a low rank and.....
a decent pilot will whoop me 9 out of 10:(
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Originally posted by stantond
I have some questions about dueling and altitude. Why a 4k cap? Is that 4k above the current terrain, or 4k absolute? Also, does that mean you climb to 7k then dive to 4k for the initiation of the duel? Not that these questions are really important, Just curious.
Regards,
Malta
Generally, when someone says 4k, they mean climb to 4k then level. Your trying to reach co-alt co-e status right before the initial merge. If one climbs to 7k then dives to 4k right before icons appear, then that person would have more e at initial merge. hence 4k level or 7k level or 3k level. :aok
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Are the "house rules" of the dueling arena posted anywhere?
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Originally posted by drkorf
Are the "house rules" of the dueling arena posted anywhere?
No, because they are not universal, the ROE is mutually agreed upon by the combatants prior to rolling.
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Then you also have the guys who will run, run, run, and will only turn when you give up and go after someone that has a bit more tenacity. [/B]
That happens alot, I'll chase a guy for a long time, and when fuel gets low I'll turn off, or I'll see another friendly with a con on his six and go after him....all the while watching the guy turn around and come after me again. Not alot bothers me in this game, but that does...why not just straight up fight...sure if you get speed and extend a bit that's fine, but at least have the dignity to turn around again if someone is chasing you...don't wait for em to give up before you decide to face em again.
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lagger,
If I am in aircraft that can run but not out acm the other aircraft then I will run, if you turn back then I will follow you and get on your 6 if possible.
A tiffie isn't gonna sit there and go flat turns with a zeek when he can gain an advantage by running
wipass
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why would anyone go to the DA when you have a whole big arena full of planes to fly in.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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those who dont go will clearly not know
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Heck Ed, Friday I challenged a fellow Rook (who is a shades account) to duel to lock accounts. My 900ish rank to his 150ish rank. He logged after about a minute. But you are spot on, rank means watermelon in the DA.
I'll lock mine if you just show up :D <------ gay shade smilly
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laz:D ...what is a shades account?
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Originally posted by lazs2
why would anyone go to the DA when you have a whole big arena full of planes to fly in.
It's easier to swing purses without hitting innocent bystanders?
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Originally posted by wipass
lagger,
If I am in aircraft that can run but not out acm the other aircraft then I will run, if you turn back then I will follow you and get on your 6 if possible.
A tiffie isn't gonna sit there and go flat turns with a zeek when he can gain an advantage by running
wipass
Ah, but a halfway decent pilot wouldnt need to run until the zeke turned around. A Tiffie is roughly 80 mph faster than a zeke at MA alts... 80 mph is a lot of speed to play with. Get 1.5k out in front and zoom, then you've got 4k of altitude over the zeke. You can then bore n zoom with impunity.
Waiting for a friendly to occupy that zeke so you can bravely roar in for a cherrypick isn't smart flying. Well, actually I guess it is, given the definition this community has settled on.
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My $0.02...
Smart does not equal fun. We play games to have fun. If we were truly "smart" we'd get some work done and quit playing computer games.
I prefer fun to smart when it comes down to AH.
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Originally posted by lagger86
That happens alot, I'll chase a guy for a long time, and when fuel gets low I'll turn off, or I'll see another friendly with a con on his six and go after him....all the while watching the guy turn around and come after me again. Not alot bothers me in this game, but that does...why not just straight up fight...sure if you get speed and extend a bit that's fine, but at least have the dignity to turn around again if someone is chasing you...don't wait for em to give up before you decide to face em again.
Quite often the other guy is just trying to get some separation before he turns back. Chasing him prolongs this. Once I realize that I'm not going to be able to run him down, I just turn 90 degrees away from him. If he wants to fight he'll see that and turn back, and we can continue, this time with a different merge.
- oldman
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what the DA teaches you is how to win on the merge with a single oponent when there is very little or no e advantage.
What this teaches you about life in the MA is little or nothing.
Probly 90% of the fights I get into in the MA involve more than 2 planes and have me at a pretty substantial alt/e disadvantage to start with.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by Vudak
Ok, so there's currently a HO thread, and a La7 thread, might as well start a rank thread :D
So..... How come it seems like you can never get a low ranked pilot into the DA for some friendly duels?
rank 2118 this month in ma - low enough for you?
be glad to get out of ma for a duel or two, just ask
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Mr. Fork.....I love your Avatar!!!!:D
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Originally posted by Eagler
rank 2118 this month in ma - low enough for you?
Yeah... Next time I whine about this, I'm definately going to use the term "high" :D
And yeah, Eagler, I'm down. I had a blast fighting you in the AvA a few weeks back, and wouldn't mind going a few more :)
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Just my 2 copper ..
...why would anyone run from a zeke? It's dog slow, can't climb, and sure can't run.
Everything in the game is faster, climbs better, and is more durable.
I just get on top of 'em an ride 'em till they give me a shot :)
(LOL .. I *have* run outta gas doin just that, tho .. the zeke driver was just too good to lemme shoot him!)
-GE
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Originally posted by lazs2
what the DA teaches you is how to win on the merge with a single oponent when there is very little or no e advantage.
What this teaches you about life in the MA is little or nothing.
Probly 90% of the fights I get into in the MA involve more than 2 planes and have me at a pretty substantial alt/e disadvantage to start with.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
to me, this smacks of a very narrow-minded view of the happenings of ACM's and whatnot. I learned how to fight effictively through dueling. Gain angles, reverse without running like a fairy, etc. From that, I learned how to apply that to multiple targets in the MA, mostly by flying around low and fighting anything that came by. Had I not learned how to fight effectively against a SINGLE plane, I never would have been able to get to the point where I can handle 2 or more and get away with some kills, or at least make a good fight of it (without running).
and howi, it's true that the guys you mentioned fight outnumbered and take the tough fights regularly, but noen of us are above clubbing seals from the pack of retards (read: green icons) when nothing of interest is available ;)
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so wet.. you believe that the DA is a stepping stone to learning how to fight in the ma? That is probably true. It makes sense.
I never learned that way tho. I have gone there with guys like drex or hooli and had em try to show me how to do reverses and such but not really "dueling" the use for the set piece, exact same alt and e merge with no one else around is pretty worthless and boring to me.
I look for where there is a big fight or I try to let the other guy think that he has an advantage so that he will engage...
mostly these days in the MA if the opponent doesn't have a clear advantage he will take the HO shot and then continue running... probly has an important toolshed to battle or something and can't be bothered to lose valuable time in air combat...
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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edbert, the "swinging purses" post made my morning.thanks for the out loud laugh i got.