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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: TalonII on August 10, 2006, 03:44:39 PM
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There are allot of squads that like to fly country specific planes. so I was wondering if you could add a JU-52 and a KI-34 so all country transports are represented, giving squads a way to fly county specific aircraft mission
Thanks TalonII
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Ki-34
(http://www.umt.fme.vutbr.cz/~ruja/modely/podklady/Nakajima/Ki-34/Ki-34.jpg)
(http://www.umt.fme.vutbr.cz/~ruja/modely/podklady/Nakajima/Ki-34/6.jpg)
Why do we need a cheap copy of the C-47/DC-3 when we already have a C-47/DC-3?
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Treize69,
The Japanese lisence build DC-3 was the L2D, an Imperial Navy aircraft. The Imperial Army and Imperial Navy were destructively competitive with one another so it would not surprise me in the least if the Imperial Army refused to use the license built DC-3 simply because the Imperial Navy was using it and instead insisted on another transport aircraft be designed and built.
You can see this throughout the Japanese inventory. Notice how the Army ("Ki" aircraft) and Navy (everything else) never have the same types of guns.
The Japanese wasted gobs of efforts in logistics due to that sort of crap.
Now you know why the Navy had land based bombers and interceptors too. The Army also had light combat ships.
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I know that the Li-2 was just a copy of the Gooney (which is why we have a skin of it), and that the Army and Navy were so competetive (the Army even had its own aircraft carriers didn't it?). Just saying- what is the point of an aircraft that is a copy (and a bad copy at that) of an aircraft we already have?
Would be like if we ever get a B-29, having some Russian fanatic try saying we should have the Tu-4 too.
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Why do we need a cheap copy of the C-47/DC-3 when we already have a C-47/DC-3?
same reason we have 109E when we have G2, for variety
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The Li-2 is the name of the Russian copy of the DC-3/C-47.
The Japanese version is the L2D1 and L2D2 as I recall.
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Mistype. I always do that. :o
Li-2 is the one with the turret.
same reason we have 109E when we have G2, for variety
Oh yes, because lord knows that two version of a plane with different egines, different weapons, about 100mph top speed difference and 2 or 3 years of war seperating them are the same thing. :rolleyes:
Ki-34
Type: Short Range Light Transport
Origin: Nakajima
Crew: Three crew/Eight passengers
Allied Code Name: Thora
Models: Ki-34 & L1N1
First Flight: September 12, 1936
Service Delivery: 1937
Final Delivery: N/A
Production: 318 (19 by Nakajima, 299 by Tachikawa)
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Powerplant:
Prototype:
Model: Nakajima Kotobuki 2-1
Type: Air-Cooled radial
Number: One Horsepower: 580 hp
K-34/L1N1:
Model: Nakajima Kotobuki 41
Type: Air-Cooled radial
Number: One Horsepower: 710 hp
Dimensions:
Wing Span: 65 ft. 0 in. (19.81m)
Length: 59 ft. 2¼ in. (15.30m)
Height: 13 ft. 7½ in. (4.15m)
Wing Area: 529.60 sq. ft. (49.20m²)
Weights:
Empty: 7,716 lb (3500 kg)
Loaded: 11,574 lb (5250 kg)
Performance:
Max. Speed: 224 mph (360 kph) at 11,025 ft.
Service Ceiling: 22,965 ft. (7000m)
Range: 746 miles (1200 km)
C-47
Type: Utility Transport (Later Gunship)
Origin: Douglas
Models: C-47, AC-47, R4D, C-53, Dakota, C-117, L2D and Li-2
Crew: Two
First Flight: December 17, 1935 (DST)
Service Delivery: October 1938
Final Delivery: N/A
Production:
American: 10,048+
Japanese: (L2D) 571
Russian: (Li-2) 2,700+
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Dimensions:
Wing Span: 95 ft. (28.96m)
Length: 64 ft. 5½ in. (19.64m)
Height: 16 ft. 11½ in. (5.16m)
Wing Area: 987 sq. ft. (91.69m²)
Weights:
Empty: 16,970 lb. (7700 kg.)
Loaded: 25,200 lb. (11,432 kg.)
Maximum Overload: 33,000 lb. (14,969 kg.)
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Performance:
Max. Speed: 230 mph (370 kph) at 8,500 ft.
Cruising Speed: 207 mph (333 kph)
Initial Climb: N/A
Service Ceiling: 23,200 ft. (7070 m)
Range (Max. Fuel): 2,125 miles (3420 km)
Powerplant:
Typical
Model: Pratt & Whitney R-1830-90D or 92 Twin Wasp
Type: 14-cylinder two row radial
Number: Two Horsepower: 1,200
C-117D
Model: Wright R-1820-80 Cyclone
Type: 9-cylinder radial
Number: Two Horsepower: 1,535
Li-2
Model: M-621R (Derived from Cyclone)
Type: 9-cylinder radial
Number: Two Horsepower: 1,000
L2D
Model: Mitsubishi Ki-43 or Ki-51 Kinsei
Type: 14-cylinder two row radial
Number: Two Horsepower: 1,050 or 1,300
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Payload:
C-47: 6,000 lb. (2722 kg) or 28 paratroops or 14 liters and 3 attendants.
Designed at the same time and with nearly identical speed performance, the Ki-34 has 1/3 the range. The Japanese even built more of their version of the C-47 than they did of their own design.
If it could carry a larger load (it can't), had longer range (it certainly doesn't), was faster (almost identical top speed), or was armed (nope) I could see adding it. But if its inferior to a contemporary aircraft that its home country used more widely, why should it be included? It would be a hangar queen just like the Hurri IID is.
The Ju-52 I agree with wholeheartedly however. It was slower and shorter ranged, but was in service both before and after the war (1930 through the 1950s) widely produced (over 5,000 built), armed (standard load in a combat theater of a 13mm dorsal gun and 7.9mm guns out the sides, some versios having 20mm cannon or a ventral gun position), and its user countries (the European Axis powers) didn't have a DC-3 version of their own.
There are a lot of aircraft that desperately need to be added for the Japanese planeset, but this isn't one of them.
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As many squads like to fly country specific planes and we only have a C – 47 transport. I wish you would add a German JU - 52 and a Japanese KI - 34 transport planes so squad can stay in country theme.
Thanks TalonII
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Wow, short term memory loss? You just posted this same thread 4 hours ago. :confused: :huh
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besides all that excellent data the KI-34 is just plain smurfy!!!
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However, a little variety in Transport planes would be nice.
The choise between a C-47 and a Ju-52 is a good one, you can choose between better speed (C-47) and defensive armament (Ju-52)