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By DONNA CASSATA, Associated Press Writer
47 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - Republicans determined to win in November are up against a troublesome trend — growing opposition to
President Bush.
An Associated Press-Ipsos poll conducted this week found the president's approval rating has dropped to 33 percent, matching his low in May. His handling of nearly every issue, from the
Iraq war to foreign policy, contributed to the president's decline around the nation, even in the Republican-friendly South.
More sobering for the GOP are the number of voters who backed Bush in 2004 who are ready to vote Democratic in the fall's congressional elections — 19 percent. These one-time Bush voters are more likely to be female, self-described moderates, low- to middle-income and from the Northeast and Midwest.
Two years after giving the Republican president another term, more than half of these voters — 57 percent — disapprove of the job Bush is doing.
"The signs now point to the most likely outcome of Democrats gaining control of the House," said Robert Erikson, a Columbia University political science professor.
Democrats need to gain 15 seats in the House to seize control after a dozen years of Republican rule, and the party is optimistic about its chances amid diminishing support for Bush and the GOP-led Congress.
Republicans argue that elections will be decided in the 435 districts and the 33 Senate races based on local issues with the power of incumbency looming large.
"This election will be less about a political climate that is challenging for both parties, and instead about the actual candidates and how their policies impact voters on the local level," said Tracey Schmitt, a
Republican National Committee spokeswoman.
But fewer than 100 days before the Nov. 7 election, the AP-Ipsos poll suggested the midterms are clearly turning into a national referendum on Bush.
The number of voters who say their congressional vote this fall will be in part to express opposition to the president jumped from 20 percent last month to 29 percent, driven by double-digit increases among males, minorities, moderate and conservative Democrats and Northeasterners.
"I don't feel like the war was the answer," said Paula Lohler, 54, an independent from Worcester, Mass., who is inclined to vote her opposition to Bush. "It seems like it's going on and on and on and nothing's being done."
That attitude propelled anti-war challenger Ned Lamont to Tuesday's Democratic primary win over Connecticut Sen.
Joe Lieberman, a stalwart supporter of Bush on the war.
"I think it's going to be similar to what we saw in 1994 and the tremendous dissatisfaction with Democrats," said Dick Harpootlian, the former chairman of the South Carolina Democratic Party. "Republicans are going to feel the wrath, feel the pain of being associated with President Bush."
In the South, Bush's approval ratings dropped from 43 percent last month to 34 percent as the GOP advantage with Southern women disappeared.
House Republican candidates looking to oust incumbent Democrats seized on the silver lining of the AP-Ipsos poll. Many of the 1,001 adults and 871 registered voters surveyed Aug. 7-9 said they've had enough with the status quo. Only 26 percent of adults said the country was on the right track, and just 29 percent approved of the job Congress is doing.
"It's a good year to be running against an incumbent," said Republican David McSweeney, an investment banker looking to unseat first-term Democratic Rep. Melissa Bean in the Chicago suburbs.
"Approval ratings for Congress are below where the president is," said Jeff Lamberti, a Republican taking on five-term Iowa Rep. Leonard Boswell (news, bio, voting record). "It's a real opportunity for a challenger."
A Democrat seeking an open seat in a competitive Colorado district — Ed Perlmutter — is certain his party will capitalize on the national mood.
"There's a point where people just get mad," said Perlmutter, a winner in Tuesday's primary.
On the generic question of whether voters would back the Democrat or Republican, 55 percent of registered voters chose the Democrat and 37 percent chose the Republican, a slight increase for Democrats from last month.
"I'm not too happy with Bush at the moment," said dental lab employee Chrissie Clement, 36, of Poynette, Wis. "I think he could do more for this country. We need to get somebody new in there and get a different party in charge."
Charles Taylor, 56, who works on newspaper presses and lives near Roanoke, Va., said, "I would like to see Republicans keep control of Congress. I vote Republican to support the president."
Republican consultant Kevin Spillane said August polls typically have been filled with bad news for Bush and the GOP, but they eventually turn it around in November. Still, he said, "The bottom line from the numbers is no Republican incumbent should be caught unprepared for November."
The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points for adults and 3.5 percentage points for registered voters
c&p (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060811/ap_on_el_ge/republicans_ap_poll)
Do you guys agree or have a different take on this poll?
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Disagree. Nothing more I can say to you.
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Yawn a liberal writer interviewing a bunch of liberal people about the chances of liberal in the fall elections. (Not to say she isn't correct...50/50 is my guess)
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It's a matter of principle. Do you want to be led about by your nose, or make a decision based on what is right, and vote accordingly? Who gives a **** what the polls say? Try being a leader, not a follower, Lazorsailor. I know you have it, seeing as you sail in cold water...
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No information on the demographics of the poll nor the questions asked. Without the information to determine the actual validity of the poll to really determine the actual feeling of the country there is no way you can assess the poll or it's accuracy.
This goes for both sides.
You can't accept the accuracy of a poll conducted in a Democratic party stronghold any more than you can accept one done in a Republican party stronghold.
No info on where and the questions asked = accepting a pig in a poke from a con artist.
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perhaps but..... everything that comes out of the democrats mouths hurts em..
And don't forget all those really bright democrats getting their picture taken with michel moore and sean penn.. or the shrill black women democrat politicians hanging with "black leaders" and then there is allways gay marriage to bolster their voting base... How bout some new taxes for ya?
lazs
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I'm not sure he's hurting them in terms of numbers of votes, but he's certainly concentrating all the low IQ's in his corner...
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Not true Funked...he doesn't have you .
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Don't you have some pigs to slop?
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
I'm not sure he's hurting them in terms of numbers of votes, but he's certainly concentrating all the low IQ's in his corner...
Snopes is your friend. Go look what they say about all the crap people spew about Bush being less than intelligent.
However, don't let the truth keep you from running about slobbering the same old crap you've been spoon fed.
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http://www.ginandtacos.com/education.jpg
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http://sq.4mg.com/IQpolitics.htm
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*cues dueling banjos*
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No one will vote for Bush come the next election, I promise.
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Originally posted by lukster
No one will vote for Bush come the next election, I promise.
Poor Jeb...
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Poor Jeb...
I was only referring to el Presidente. There are other bushes that will probably remain in demand. ;)
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Why do they keep conducting polls outside Berkley College?
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Originally posted by lukster
I was only referring to el Presidente. There are other bushes that will probably remain in demand. ;)
Precision leads to perfection. Sloppiness lends to sadness.
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4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.
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4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.
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If when asked who's your favorite philosopher you answer jesus, you might be a republican.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Poor Jeb...
NO JEB!
He's been a good governor her in FL but we do not need a dynasty on this country.
It is time for the Bush family to fade away into political history. I am a conservative republican saying this.
If only the Kennedy family would do the same.
Oh, and Funked, stop drinking hte Kool Aid. It's not good for you.
(http://www.kraftfoods.com/koolaid/images/koolaidman_icon.jpg)
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I just looked up the chart cited. While those states might have a lower percentage of people with a degree, they (for the most part) have more people with a degree then the other states.
For example: (numbers in the thousands)
DC - 132.5 people with a degree
CO - 913.4
MA - 204.1
MD - 1103.6
VA - 1457.9
NV - 226.5
SC - 492.6
MS - 322.3
AR - 300.8
IN - 665.7
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Isn't it hilarious? First it was "Bush is stupid", now it is "People who vote for Bush are stupid", or "states that Bush carried are populated by the uneducated". At the very least, I find it amusing. Amazing how the supposedly "stupid" and "uneducated" seemed to roll right on over the multitude of geniuses.
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Yawn.
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Originally posted by Suave
If when asked who's your favorite philosopher you answer jesus, you might be a republican.
I dont get the whole hate religon with your party...You wanna talk about civil libertys???? Then let those have their faith...Even if I were a democrat, I would still be a Christian....
You may have silver bullets and your garlic, but believe me, there's no crosses being used from your extreme side
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
At the very least, I find it amusing.
That there a lots of stupid people in the US and they vote?
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
That there a lots of stupid people in the US and they vote?
And the average Republican is dumber than the average Democrat? I think not, probably just about the same. Retarded. That's why all these polls crack me up. Ask the public any significant current events question or one about our nations' history and the majority of them are clueless.
Very sad...
:(
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Just shows the reps are jyust as stupid as the dems.
Took em THIS long to figure that out??
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allow me to offer an outside opinion.... regardless of political preferance, the average American isn't very intelligent. that's probably not the right word.... uninformed or ignorant is probably better.
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ld vote again for Bush if he could run again unless somone better came along, which I seriously doubt would happen. As it is, I will not vote for a democrat regardless.
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Originally posted by wetrat
allow me to offer an outside opinion.... regardless of political preferance, the average American isn't very intelligent. that's probably not the right word.... uninformed or ignorant is probably better.
As opposed to you enlightened and educated Canucks, right?
;)
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what is an "average american" anyway?
Its not like there are enough canadians to be bothered with, but Im just curious what the definition of "average american" is? I know plenty of americans and if I were tasked with identiyfing those americans that are "average" well..hell, I wouldn't know where to start.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
That there a lots of stupid people in the US and they vote?
Well, we can't exactly disenfranchise all the radical left wing liberal Democrats. That would be contrary to the Constitution.
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Originally posted by Yeager
ld vote again for Bush if he could run again unless somone better came along, which I seriously doubt would happen. As it is, I will not vote for a democrat regardless.
I won't say I won't vote for a democrat but's it's very unlikey considering the tools they offer up for the slot.
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so funked... you think that people with BA's are not only smarter than everyone else but.... better able to decide who should run the country?
You agree that it was smart to vote for kerry?
Perhaps your chart shows that people with BA's are not very worldly and are easy to fool..
But then.... you must know that right?
lazs
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I like to study people. Its kinda a hobby of mine, see who they are, what they are about, and their reactions to certain situations. Part of the reason I like to argue and push buttons. Just to see the reaction
I have met very few people with a degree of any sort who as a whole are any smarter then anyone I know without one.
More shoolastically educated, yes. Smarter, no
I have however met alot of people who are as a whole hands down ALOT smarter then people I know with a degree.
by "as a whole" I mean all around intellegence
Having a degree doesnt mean your smart. It just means you have been educated in specific subjects.
Being educated in those subjects doesnt make you smarter in them or smarter as a whole. it just makes you educated in those specific subjects.
I have also noticed that the higher the IQ level, the lower the common sence level.
that is, people with ultra high IQs while may be great at figuring out the super complex. Struggle with the ultra simple.
Example. I have a relitive. Super high IQ. Helped design and build artificial hearts. Yet couldnt figure out how to change the tire on his car or put his neices swingset together (true story)
I have also noticed that people with higher educations and/or IQ levels tend to be more easily duped then thier counterparts. And the higher the level of education. The more easily they are duped
As someone once said here. Any idiot can go to college It doesnt make them any smarter. All it does is make them an educated idiot.
Course there are those who fall inbetween. They seem to be able to have the balance of all around smarts AND common sence. But even they tend to exel on some areas and suffer in others.
Overall. How "Smart" or "intellegent" or how "Stupid" someone is tends to depend on what subject your talking about.
As everyone seems to be reguardless of education or IQ level really good in some areas. and really poor in others
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
I'm not sure he's hurting them in terms of numbers of votes, but he's certainly concentrating all the low IQ's in his corner...
I guarantee there were a significant amount of people with higher IQs than you that voted for him last term. They were smart enough to recognize the alternatives.
The Dems and Republicans are hurting themselves right now. They really have no right blaming any individual.
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Education is the solution to ignorance, but it won't make you more intelligent.
Although, now that I think about it, the smartest people who post on this forum, even the people I sometimes disagree with, all have had higher education.
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sooo.... ultimately... we simply have to find the one American with not only the highest IQ but the most education and let him do all the voting for us?
He is probly wearing a drool bib and has his shirt buttoned in all the wrong holes and smells funny. He probly is a professor who doesn't teach and hasn't gotten laid in at least 4 decades.
lazs
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I had a cousin that was a modern version of a hippy. He was a naturalist, vegan photographer. He came to Portland because he'd really liked what he'd seen the times he'd visited. He ended up co-renting a house with 4 like minded people. No ammount of pointing out the inherant problems with the liberal left could have explained what that experience gave him.
"They all sit around and talk all day. They talk about how the companies are poluting the air while they're smoking. They talk about how the companies are killing the forrests, though they never go outside. They talk about how all the cars are killing the world though none of them have ridden their bikes all year. They just sit around and complain about everyone and everything and talk about how stupid everyone else is."
That's what he said to me. If I'd said that to him, he'd never have believed it.
Everyone trying to prove how stupid the other party is to members of that party is obtuse... not those they're trying to "prove wrong". The "stupid" label has been thrown around alot. Anyone calling voters stupid is defining irony. Whether it's the minimum wage "sucking on the government tit" stupid folks, or the religious wacko stupid inbread folk... It's just ironic.
Someone could fancy himself the smartest person on the world and still be sleeping on his sister's couch.
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Really smart people are actually stupid. You fellas have convinced me. For your next trick, 2+2=5?
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Thinking that education is the cure for ignorance is greatly dependant on the education received and the interpretation of the person receiving it. Thinking that this education can only come from a college is, well, ignorant.
Thinking that the only smart people in the world have degrees is equally ignorant.
Thinking that there is a singal definition of "smart" or that somehow someone being "smarter" in one field implies "smarter in another" is also ignorant.
Do you see a trend here funky?
Be carefull who you call ignorant when you have your head burried in the sand.
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somebody sit funkd down and talk to him about that avatard thingy. that visual is enough to make nuns kill :huh
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Originally posted by lazs2
sooo.... ultimately... we simply have to find the one American with not only the highest IQ but the most education and let him do all the voting for us?
lazs
Isaac Asimov's Franchise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchise_%28Asimov%29)
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bill gates is a collage dropout and so am i.
also, education and intelligence are not synonymous.
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Which is why I posted a chart showing that the states with the lowest IQs voted resoundlingly for Chimpler. :aok
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but back on topic, the terrorsts have hurt the democrats by attempting to blow up 10 airplanes, they have proven bush's point on the "war on terror",
they should have waited untill the democrats "seized" control of congress in november and then the democrats would have cut off all military aid to Iraq just like they did to south vietnam.
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the "plot" was a bush/cheney/Israel scam to draw attention away from their crimes against humanity....oh, and Hizbollah won the war against terror.
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so funked.... the really smart people are defined as those with an education and.... their voting is based on their education and ability to think things through and not by the way they were raised and the indoctrinization of them by the education system or their life experiances?
By your logic.... since most communist party leaders were amoung the smartest then... communism was the best thing.
If more BA degree people than not wanted gun control would you agree that we needed to ban firearms?
Would you say that we would have been better under kerrie since your lunchroom buds all liked him? What kind of supreme court judges would kerrie have picked? right from the aclu ranks is my guess.
lazs
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Originally posted by john9001
bill gates is a collage dropout and so am i.
also, education and intelligence are not synonymous.
"When I think back on all the crap I learned in highschool, it's a wonder I can think at all"
- Simon & Garfunkel