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Three Middle Eastern Men Found With 1000 Cell Phones, Now Face Charges
sweeet...This is going to be fun
http://www.wnem.com/Global/story.asp?S=5269589
Im sure the ACLU and the linguine spinned Liberuls will protest...
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3 U.S citizens was arrested for having 1000 phones
they paid cash, no contract for phones no fraud
where is crime?
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I'm confused too, who is the scum again? If I knew that I'd protest much more vigorously.
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Because they're not "white".
ack-ack
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In the current climate of Pakistani Airplane Bombers, I am simply mystified as to why 3 naturalized Palestinians with 1000 untraceable cell phones would even draw a second glance.
It simply must solely be because they are not white.
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Originally posted by Toad
In the current climate of Pakistani Airplane Bombers, I am simply mystified as to why 3 naturalized Palestinians with 1000 untraceable cell phones would even draw a second glance.
It simply must solely be because they are not white.
:rofl :aok
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So, US should ban all middle eeastern form buyng cellphones, gasoline, gun powder, guns, amno, alcohol, any chemicals wich can be used to make bomb
Alarm clocks, RC equipment , watches................
i like it
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Who said anything at all about bans?
Quite a leap.
No big deal about asking them questions is there? They are being held on charges of soliciting or providing material support for terrorism and obtaining information of a vulnerable target for the purposes of terrorism. The charges will be investigated and they'll either be prosecuted or released.
So you think 1000 cell phones is not worthy of investigation? Even by white-haired Norwegian grandmothers?
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I think it's perfectly reasonable to investigate.
Let's see where it leads. The end of the article says this:
"The men have been 'cooperative, upfront, not hiding' anything according to police. They also told officers they get stopped frequently and say they buy the phones for $20 and sell them elsewhere for $38. They sell them without the packaging or charger."
If this turns out to be true, then they are simply enterpising young men.
(I'm surprised you can still buy pre-paid phones without any ID in the US. Pre-paid phones without ID are the tool of choice for discerning drug dealers and others with illicit intentions. When companies - that took it upon themselves to be responsible - stopped selling them without verified ID checks in Japan, only the criminals complained.)
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Toad,
investigate yes, but arrest just for having phones?
its like arresting somone for carring for carring couple crates of alcohol,can be potential danger for comunity
Rolex, why not?
somone who buy amno don't have to show ID neither
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"somone who buy amno don't have to show ID neither"
Really? I had to show my FOID (state firearms owners id).
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Buy for $20 and sell for $38? Why did they choose Cell-phones? Are toothpaste, flash drives and portable MP3 players out of style? How about pre-paid phone cards? I needed one a few days ago, and yet there was no friendly Palestinian to sell me one. I would have gladly paid a few percent more to save me a trip to 7/11.
I guess there need to be 1000 explosions before a precedent can be set on who can buy what. Oh, and yes, profiling does work. Three naturalized Palestinians are infinitely more likely to commit an act of terrorism than the three white-haired Norwiegan grannies.
If these enterprizing young Palestinians have a problem with the situation their distant, non-infidel bretheren caused, maybe they should start grass roots campaigns to end terrorism. Will they? Of course not. They're too busy engaging in business endeavors that uncannily resemble terrorist conspiracies. Go figure.
Limitation of freedom? **** stains on the Bill of Rights? The end of democracy as we thought we knew it? Yes, to all. The men who perpetrated 9/11 saw to it that their countrymen (or anyone resembling them) would never again be seen in the same light. They ruined it for everyone else, spurred on the hatred and suspicion, etc, etc, etc... If however, we go on pretending that we still live in a pre 9/11 world, we'll be doomed to live through another one.
Before you guys start throwing the noose over the nearest tree limb, I'd just like to mention an argument that my brother-in-law's been having with the rest of the family for years now. He says that he'd rather an atomic bomb detonate in the center of Manhattan than have any more of our freedoms, as Americans, marginalized by security measures. Does he have a point, or is his idealism a recipe for genocide at the hands of mindless fanatics? Is there a middle ground and where is it?
Go forth and discuss.
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Originally posted by ramzey
Toad,
investigate yes, but arrest just for having phones?
its like arresting somone for carring for carring couple crates of alcohol,can be potential danger for comunity
Rolex, why not?
somone who buy amno don't have to show ID neither
Well, I think they were looking for a reason to detain them while they investigated, but we'll find out later.
Why not? I don't know.
- In some states they'd throw you under the jail for delivering alcohol on Sunday, standing up with a drink in your hand, or, God forbid, have dancing at any establishment serving liquor. (Virginia).
- A 20 year-old can't throw out the trash containing an empty beer bottle - against the law in Missouri.
- A person can be sent to jail for five years for merely sending a bottle of beer, wine or liquor as a gift to a friend in Kentucky.
- The entire Encyclopedia Britannica is banned in Texas because it contains a recipe for making beer that can be used at home. And it's against the law to take more than 3 sips of beer at a time while standing.
- Nebraska state law prohibits bars from selling beer unless they are simultaneously brewing a kettle of soup.
- State law of North Dakota prohibits serving beer and pretzels at the same time in any bar or restaurant.
- In Fairbanks, Alaska, it's illegal to feed a moose any alcohol beverage.
What can I say, ramzey? Everything in the world is already illegal, it's just a matter of when they want to enforce it. :D
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Im with toad on this one.
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Originally posted by Rolex
Well, I think they were looking for a reason to detain them while they investigated, but we'll find out later.
You know that's reminde me proverb about NKWD aka KGB and other communistic political polices.
"Show me a man and i will find law to kill (inprison) him.
I allways thought its against freedom amd democracy.
Somone could say, us become he's own enemy.
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It sounds like we're missing some information regarding the arrests. One thing I've learned is that newspapers usually mess the facts up. Never trust what you read most of the time. I've worked with some federal agencies and their guidelines are more "broader" than state agencies. The Homeland Security Act has some interesting laws regarding terrorism. I wonder if they entered the U.S. legally?
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criminals complained
:lol
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Hmmm... I hate to say it but..
I am more afraid of people who want to have every single call and cell phone traced and accounted for in some big central government database than I am about anyone buying 1000 cell phones.
or even people using cell phones to make bombs.
If a criminal uses an untraceable cell phone to make criminal calls do you all want every phone traceable?
If a criminal uses it to talk on do you want a trace on all calls?
If someone goes nuts and shoots a bunch of people do you want to make all guns illegal...
Oh wait... some countries allready have..
The panic laws are beloved by all tyrants.
lazs
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What's the alternative to preventing a bunch of zealots turning the US into a war zone? One in which subways. restaurants, and shopping malls are bombed at will? If Preemptive actions like those in this report are illegal then what choice do we have but to wait until an attack is carried out?
Perhaps that's what it will take to maintain our liberties. Allow those who would destroy our liberties the freedom to attack. However, will the American people sit back and let the police handle it like other countries already experiencing regular attacks by Islamofacists do? If the attacks continue unabated it will likely mean the eventual expulsion of all muslims thus denying us one of our prized freedoms, that of religion.
Either way, it seems we lose liberty.
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why are we afraid of cell phones? How do 1000 cell phones threaten me?
Should we not be more afraid of the internet? Would we not be a lot more safe if the internet were controled by the government?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
why are we afraid of cell phones? How do 1000 cell phones threaten me?
Should we not be more afraid of the internet? Would we not be a lot more safe if the internet were controled by the government?
lazs
Phones are used to detonate bombs. Do you not consider that activity worthy of investigation? I'm sure these guys will be released if nothing else can be tied to them. They'll likely be watched for a while though. If we stop watching for suspicious activity we will be caught by surprise. I might be willing to endure that for a while but I have little doubt it would eventually result in even peace loving American muslims bearing the wrath of angry Americans.
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if you live in US, there is no problem to build remote device to detonate bomb using electronic parts you can purchase in any electronic part store, RC store....
Using plans from internet.
Whats make you think somone would expose himself and buy 1000 phones at once. Terrorists are not so dumb, propaganda let you think they are.
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Originally posted by ramzey
if you live in US, there is no problem to build remote device to detonate bomb using electronic parts you can purchase in any electronic part store, RC store....
Using plans from internet.
Whats make you think somone would expose himself and buy 1000 phones at once. Terrorists are not so dumb, propaganda let you think they are.
I dunno.
"The mobile phone cards that were used to detonate the bombs on the trains were allegedly traced to his mobile phone shop in Madrid."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4793994.stm
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alarm clocks can be used to detonate bombs... computers can be used to detonate bombs... just about anything can.
I am maybe missing the point?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
alarm clocks can be used to detonate bombs... computers can be used to detonate bombs... just about anything can.
I am maybe missing the point?
lazs
The point is that cell phones have recently been used to detonate terrorist bombs. Buying a thousand phones deserves a bit of scrutiny, that's all.
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Originally posted by ramzey
if you live in US, there is no problem to build remote device to detonate bomb using electronic parts you can purchase in any electronic part store, RC store....
Using plans from internet.
Whats make you think somone would expose himself and buy 1000 phones at once. Terrorists are not so dumb, propaganda let you think they are.
BTW, they only bought 80 at that Walmart.
"The three men allegedly bought 80 by purchasing them three at time so that an alert wouldn't be triggered by the cash register. They also paid cash."
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Originally posted by Rolex
- The entire Encyclopedia Britannica is banned in Texas because it contains a recipe for making beer that can be used at home. And it's against the law to take more than 3 sips of beer at a time while standing.
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:rofl
Britannica is alive and well in Texas.
It is also legal to brew your own beer in Texas for personal consumption.
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Originally posted by Toad
In the current climate of Pakistani Airplane Bombers, I am simply mystified as to why 3 naturalized Palestinians with 1000 untraceable cell phones would even draw a second glance.
It simply must solely be because they are not white.
:aok
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Originally posted by Jackal1
:rofl
Britannica is alive and well in Texas.
It is also legal to brew your own beer in Texas for personal consumption.
Not so sure about Britannica being alive and well anywhere. I had a 1984 leather bound set in excellent condition I couldn't give away for years. Most have computers nowadays. Are bound encyclopedias obsolete?
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Originally posted by lukster
Not so sure about Britannica being alive and well anywhere. I had a 1984 leather bound set in excellent condition I couldn't give away for years. Most have computers nowadays. Are bound encyclopedias obsolete?
Yea, like most everything these days it`s either online, on CD or both, such as Brittanica.
Sort of hate to say it, but I think kids these days are missing out on some very interesting things. Everything is instant. I enjoyed the bound versions of the encyclopedias I had as a kid. I used to just grab a section and start prowling around. Was a lot of fun.
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Lazs...NONE of your "other" detonation devices is close to what a cell phone can do
..Its remote controlled...from anywhere in the USA..or WORLD..Doesnt need to be plugged in...and is very small
Defnlty a great idea for its use as an IED..which are used in great numbers by islamic fanatic scum
We need profiling..If theses guys are just selling them to drug dealers..then thats great..but if it alteast shows..people are aware ..thats even better
Maybe someday we will even close our borders down....hopefully
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
Lazs...NONE of your "other" detonation devices is close to what a cell phone can do
..Its remote controlled...from anywhere in the USA..or WORLD..Doesnt need to be plugged in...and is very small
Defnlty a great idea for its use as an IED..which are used in great numbers by islamic fanatic scum
We need profiling..If theses guys are just selling them to drug dealers..then thats great..but if it alteast shows..people are aware ..thats even better
Maybe someday we will even close our borders down....hopefully
Are you talking about profiling beucose of skin color? country of origin ?
Whats diference between this and communists we fight last 50 years??
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I think anyone buying 1000 non traceable cell phones will get the attention of the authorities regardless of skin color. It's not a crime to buy that many cell phones but neither is questioning them about it.
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attention yes, gov can invastigate this from distance
reason to arrest no way
also i belive police blew it arresting them for bull****
looks like they panick and cut all links they can catch invastigating this potential treat.
thats only proof they have no blody idea how to deal with potential domestic terrorists.
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I have the solution! License all cellphone use and establish a two-week waiting period before you're allowed to purchase one (after the background check is complete, of course).
:aok
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Originally posted by lazs2
alarm clocks can be used to detonate bombs... computers can be used to detonate bombs... just about anything can.
I am maybe missing the point?
lazs
I agree.
That being said
Arrest em and/or watch em anyway.
OR flat out execute em for all I care
Last time I checked it wasnt a bunch of Scotsman who were intent on our destruction
Profiling isnt wrong. Political correctness fighting against profiling is
When the Scotts start crashing planes into buildings then we we should worry about the Scots and people with red hair and names like Macalister,Brodie & Sinclair
so long as they are muslims and/or from arab type countries
We should worry about people with names like Atta, Mohammad, Abdul, and Shakeem
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
snip....
We should worry about people with names like Atta, Mohammad, Abdul, and Shakeem
Not to mention .....Mahat MaCoat and his brother MaSoks MaShus
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yes ramzey i am
Communist 50 years?..well they were not wearing suicide vests and ramming cars with explosives into buildings..I guess you cant see the difference
Skin color..religion..age...place of origin..ect
Its called LOGIC
Now ....no where did i say ..its an end all..but its called using your brain..We shoudl not have soem old blue hair grandmas on the same alert status as a young muslim male.
When the "muslim means peace" crowd steps up and controls its own fanatics..Which I mean..No more States saying..."burn Isreal to the ground' ect ect..we can take them off the list of..."search their bags"
When i drive thru ghettos..Im more concerned about the young man..then then the young women" Its common sense..Profiling>?..Yes
If you pull over a VW bus that has Grateful Dead stcikers all over it...Your going to have a much better chance of finding drugs...then pulling over the Mini Van with stickers that say " My Kid is an Honor Student at Placer Elementary"
Its profiling
Do you really beleive we should chase old white ladies around?
And if someone bought 20,000 pounds of fertilizer..but doesnt own/run a farm or nursery?...You say..its alright
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Originally posted by ramzey
attention yes, gov can invastigate this from distance
reason to arrest no way
also i belive police blew it arresting them for bull****
looks like they panick and cut all links they can catch invastigating this potential treat.
thats only proof they have no blody idea how to deal with potential domestic terrorists.
I agree that the cops might have panicked on this moving in too soon. We probably don't know the whole story though.
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Originally posted by ramzey
attention yes, gov can invastigate this from distance
reason to arrest no way
also i belive police blew it arresting them for bull****
looks like they panick and cut all links they can catch invastigating this potential treat.
thats only proof they have no blody idea how to deal with potential domestic terrorists.
It gives me a brain ache just saying it, but he's got a point here. There was cause to investigate, there was a real opportunity to see where the trail of ants leads. Had they been patient and by-the-book, the authorities could have unearthed the entire nest. Now, all they've got is three guys that they may have serious problems dragging to court.
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It's really too early to be second guessing this.
Give it a month and see what happens.
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Originally posted by ramzey
3 U.S citizens was arrested for having 1000 phones
they paid cash, no contract for phones no fraud
where is crime?
Maybe here:
Mincks says the men also had instructions on how to obtain private flights and airplane passenger information.
"It also had some information concerning airport security and check points.
http://www.wboy.com/story.cfm?func=viewstory&storyid=12983
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Originally posted by Sandman
I have the solution! License all cellphone use and establish a two-week waiting period before you're allowed to purchase one (after the background check is complete, of course).
:aok
yep, a two week waiting period, that solves it. man, I feel better already.
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Originally posted by bj229r
Maybe here:
http://www.wboy.com/story.cfm?func=viewstory&storyid=12983
if you have map of airport and flight booking information you can be charged too
As Toad write , we will wait and look whats going to happend, but i bet they are too dumb to be terrorist.
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Looks like they were just selling phones and not terrorists. They bought them and modified them to work in other locations.
They are still being charged with modifying the phones. You certainly can't have people going around buying stuff and improving the technology of it. ;)
And they're being charged with money laundering(?). Looks more like face-saving charges to me.
As I said before, everything is against the law, it's just a matter of when they want to enforce it.
Link (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/18/barney_fife_rides_again/)
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no suprise ;-)
cash is illegal in U.S looks like right to make profit start to be illegal too:D
whatever propaganda say, terrorists are not stinky, silly towelheads walking in a robe's smoking opium, and f**ing camels
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Ok.. we got over 50,000 secret police in the U.S under one alphabet soup name or another and....
This is the best they can do? and even then.....someone has to do the legwork for em? How long are we gonna continue to pay these "Famous But Incompetent" and "F troop" clowns to look tough in their ray bans and black suits and black on black chevy suburbans?
The cops coulda finished the job they started. Lets dissband some agencies.
lazs
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lets start from IRS:aok
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Originally posted by ramzey
lets start from IRS:aok
Start there and the rest go away almost magically. :aok
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For enterprising young men, they have some strange procurement practices:
The three men allegedly bought 80 by purchasing them three at time so that an alert wouldn't be triggered by the cash register. They also paid cash.
Such an odd thing for someone with nothing to hide to do while buying 1000 of these.
I don't know anything about the need for 1000 of these to detonate a bomb... seems like 1 would do it, but something was going on. The trigger for these phones being sold en mass seems to be there for a reason.
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Well, you can't transfer more than $5,000 within or in/out of the US at a time either without triggering terrorist alerts either. Banks are now required to call people and ask them where and how they get their money, or so they claim.
It's nuts having to justify to some pinhead how or where I make money. It's none of their business.
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So... you just do a series of $4999 transfers so that you fly under the radar?
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Originally posted by Rolex
Well, you can't transfer more than $5,000 within or in/out of the US at a time either without triggering terrorist alerts either. Banks are now required to call people and ask them where and how they get their money, or so they claim.
It's nuts having to justify to some pinhead how or where I make money. It's none of their business.
The IRS requires notification of a $5000 or higher payment to a contractor and has for some time.
I don't know about the rest of you frogs but this water's getting hot.
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Originally posted by Mini D
So... you just do a series of $4999 transfers so that you fly under the radar?
But you're the one who just said it was odd for them to stay under the radar. See what I mean?
fini
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No. I don't.
If you transferred 1 million dollars into the U.S. via 201 $4999 transfers I'd see that as extremely suspicious. I have no idea what your intentions are, but suspicion is there. It would be something I'd expect to be looked at.
If you did something extremely odd like buy 1000 cell phone 3 at a time to avoid notice, I'd think the same thing.
It's not avoiding notice that is odd, it's the combination of massive purchasing with the avoidance that is.
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Originally posted by Mini D
For enterprising young men, they have some strange procurement practices:
Such an odd thing for someone with nothing to hide to do while buying 1000 of these.
I don't know anything about the need for 1000 of these to detonate a bomb... seems like 1 would do it, but something was going on. The trigger for these phones being sold en mass seems to be there for a reason.
They don't need them to trigger a bomb, they NEED them to get around CIA/FBI/NSA surveillance methods/lack thereof--make 1-2 calls, when feds get permission to tap that phone# next time...'young-male-of-middle-eastern-extraction' caller and callee will be on new phone
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Associated Press 17:00 PM Sep, 05, 2006
BAY CITY, Mich. — A federal judge threw out conspiracy and money laundering charges Tuesday against three Texas men who originally were accused of planning terrorism, saying there wasn't enough evidence to bring them to trial.
U.S. District Court Magistrate Charles Binder released Louai Othman, 23, his brother Adham Othman, 21, and their cousin Maruan Muhareb, 18, all of Mesquite, Texas, after a preliminary hearing.
The three were arrested Aug. 11 after buying large numbers of prepaid cell phones at a Wal-Mart store in rural Caro, about 80 miles north of Detroit. Michigan charges against the men were thrown out last month.
Well, there we have it. Enterprising young men and not terrorists.
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There we have it... "not enough proof".
Ever wonder exactly when the rule "in order for a lie to actually be a lie, you need to be able to prove it" became the rule? It's a good rule for the legal system, not a good rule for much else.
Something was up there. You know it, you pretend otherwise, you think it makes you a better person, but it doesn't.
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Originally posted by Mini D
Something was up there. You know it, you pretend otherwise, you think it makes you a better person, but it doesn't.
I pretend nothing. I do not know something was up there. If that makes me a better person than someone who 'thinks' they 'know' something was up, so be it.
There was not enough evidence to even take the charges to a trial. It's the legal system at work protecting omniscient people from lynching people without evidence, or proof.
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As I understand it, they were modifying pre-paid cell phones to allow them to work on other networks. This can be a profitable activity since handset prices are often subsidised by the vendor network.
Is that illegal in the US? It isn't in the UK.
Funny how some people had them tried and convicted at the moment of their arrest though. :)
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They have been accused of being TERRORISTS, therfore they must be punished.
shamus
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Originally posted by Rolex
Well, there we have it. Enterprising young men and not terrorists.
Why would anyone pay almost twice the price for part of a phone anyone can buy in a walmart? Maybe it wasn't for terrorist activity but it appears there was something shady going on. The cops screwed up and jumped the gun on this one.
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The same reason why everyone does just not go to Wal-Mart,
Sometimes you need something right now, or just does not want to drive out of your way to Wal-Mart, or maybe because they do not tell the buyers how much they paid for them and where they bought them from…
Ever walk into a 7-11? they have lots of prepaid phones there, and almost everyone I have been to is run by arabs,
Time to start rounding them up.
:rolleyes:
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Damned capitalist SCUM.
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It almost makes you wonder why that specific product had a "notify if more than 3 are being puchased" limit. It makes you wonder why they intentionally avoided notification. It makes you wonder quite a bit.
Nobody was tried and convicted of anything as far as I can see.
Pretending it was just enterprising youth is pretty ignorant of the situation. The high road must not have much oxygen.
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With the world what it is today, US citizens using the US simply to get ahead while refusing to melt in, and holding allegiance to their old world country, I say investigate them. If they are innocent great, if not even better.
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Boroda would be proud...soon the US will be just like home ;)