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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Boroda on August 13, 2006, 03:51:55 PM
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Fidel Castro Ruz turned 80 today.
Happy birthday, Fidel, and get well soon!...
First TV channel sows Oliver Stone's "Comandante" now.
If you don't like Fidel and hate "communism" - you still have to admit that he's a great man, the last man standing, an icon for the nations and people who believe in a different way.
I strongly recommend Stone's "Comandante", a very warm and touching film. What a nonsence, we need an American movie about Fidel Castro... No surprise, if we dig deeper into history. It was an American journalist who met Fidel when he was a guerilla in the mountains and created publicity for Cuban revolution.
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He he. This has just got to be bait for rednecksville. Agree wholeheartedly though. It's not democratic, but I can't believe US is so uptight about Cuba when everyone else seems happy to deal with it! The quickest way to democratise Cuba is to chill and let people visit and trade with it. Hells teeth, the US deals with China!:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by FOGOLD
He he. This has just got to be bait for rednecksville. Agree wholeheartedly though. It's not democratic, but I can't believe US is so uptight about Cuba when everyone else seems happy to deal with it! The quickest way to democratise Cuba is to chill and let people visit and trade with it. Hells teeth, the US deals with China!:rolleyes:
You got it wrong. Americans could care less about Cuba or Castro. The ones who are uptight are the Cubans who got out of Fidel's paradise. They are down in South Florida trying to turn Miami into Havana. Frankly I would love to go to Cuba set up a business and insist they speak English.
Belay that....They have turned Miami into Havana.
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what is the relationship between russia and cuba since the collapse of the soviet union? is russia still funding cuba?
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4789080.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4789080.stm)
Remember to bow to your king, when you wish him happy birthday...
:rofl
I wont be...
;)
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Originally posted by weaselsan
You got it wrong. Americans could care less about Cuba or Castro. The ones who are uptight are the Cubans who got out of Fidel's paradise. They are down in South Florida trying to turn Miami into Havana. Frankly I would love to go to Cuba set up a business and insist they speak English.
Belay that....They have turned Miami into Havana.
Guess who's screaming in the media about "Bloody Putin's Regime" (tm)? A bunch of thieves and crooks who have to hide in Israel, UK and other "free world" countries, like Nevzlin (accused of several murders) and Berezovsky (all-time sponsor of "Chechen freedom-fighters", who made millions on "releasing" hostages)....
See, a guy wants some property owned by someone else, he's got used that he's a Master of Life - so he simply sends a death-squad to kill the owners family, only one kid survives, he is under investigation and his guilt is proven, but he has Israeli citizenship, and Israel never extradicts Jews. I am speaking about Leonid Nevzlin. /*I am not an anti-semite, I only think that such people are an infamy for the whole Jewish state*/
I hope you understand that a handful of crooks and former local barons don't represent the whole people of Cuba.
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I give Fidel a lot of points for his guts and his intentions. I do respect a fighter, and he is one.
It's just a ***** that his choice of communism to run a country just runs it into the ground...
Viva La Cuba!
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Happy Birthday Cuba Libre!
and what fogold said.. the only thing keeping that country commie is Amreekas hellbent(ion) on boycotting the place...
jebus... its 2006 and the cold war is over already :D
FLood the place with rich springbreak kids and let communism rot from within
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I've been waiting to go to Cuba for a long time. The Cubans are not homagenous, it is diverse like other places. I think most would like to see it... the people, the clubs, the fishing, the Cabanas, the culture, maybe we can go now? I'm ready.
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Originally posted by Gunthr
I give Fidel a lot of points for his guts and his intentions. I do respect a fighter, and he is one.
Exactly what I meant.
Originally posted by Gunthr
It's just a ***** that his choice of communism to run a country just runs it into the ground...
Communism is nothing more then a figure of speech.
Compare Cuba to their neighbours like Haiti. The difference is quite impressive.
Originally posted by Gunthr
Viva La Cuba!
Viva!
Too sad I don't have rum here, and it's too late to go buy some. Cuba Libra is my favourite cocktail. Directions printed on the back of every Havana Club bottle sold in USSR. We had Pepsi, 45 kopeykas for a 0.33, but a "slice of lemon" was almost a bad joke. In 1991 we had a period when Havana Club was easier to buy then vodka, i still remember the flavour :rolleyes: :D
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Compare Cuba to their neighbours like Haiti. The difference is quite impressive.
I can't agree with you there, Boroda... Cuba has been subsidised by the USSR....
and I question if the island could survive without that subsidy.
my love for Cuba is without the politics...
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... and Communism is a failed system, not a figure of speech. Cuba could bloom with capitalism...
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Originally posted by Gunthr
I can't agree with you there, Boroda... Cuba has been subsidised by the USSR....
and I question if the island could survive without that subsidy.
Subsidy was limited to buying sugar and crappy oranges. I really love Cuban cigarettes, they appeared here again after 15 years, but they are too expensive, not like Ligeros ("death under sail") in Soviet times, now they cost 4 times more then Russian or Western brands. :(
And keeping an airborne corps brigade there, guarding a radio-recon station, that was abandoned in mid-90s.
Originally posted by Gunthr
my love for Cuba is without the politics...
Same thing here. I love Hamingway. Comandante said he loves him too. Good reason to respect him.
You may hate him, but he deserves respect.
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Originally posted by Gunthr
... and Communism is a failed system, not a figure of speech. Cuba could bloom with capitalism...
You have a wrong definition of "communism".
What is failed is a "Soviet Socialism".
And it probably couldn't fail if our leaders were like Fidel, not like that bald stupid with a spot on the head.
Funny, but I turn left-wing, reading you guys on this board. Reading and posting here definetly makes me :(
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Never forget that Cuban health care and literacy levels are unequalled in Latin America, never mind the world as a whole. Don't be blind to the fact that even in the old Communist countries everyone had a job, had plenty of money and never had to pay for health or education. Trouble was the economy was so distorted and life so undemocratic people just were sick to death of it.
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The drink is called Cuba Libre, and the correct soda is coke not pepsi. I dont care what it says on the back of that bottle, thats the way we drink it here in the Caribbean
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Pfft Fidel, An even more important person was born on the 13th of Aug.....
ME :D
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I work with a guy who escaped from Cuba. He dislikes Fidel, but still respects him.
The guy I work with was able to go to college for free in Cuba. Its free if you go right out of high school. He got his degree in accounting. He didn't have it bad in cuba, he was set to inherit an orange plantation, but he escaped to America so his kids could have a better life.
However he doesn't seem real happy here.
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
Pfft Fidel, An even more important person was born on the 13th of Aug.....
ME :D
happy birthday then! :)
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I hope he savored it like it was his last.
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Originally posted by Boroda
you still have to admit that he's a great man
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:rofl
Yea and hemmorrhoids are also great.
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If it had not been for the support of larger failing nations that believed supporting cuba meant giving the U.S. the finger, Cuba would have starved to death decades ago. The fact that litterally millions of people in Miami would have cheered that occurance is sad.
Fidel will not get any respect or a salute from me. 50 years of eliminating anyone that might "usurp" power does not make it any less impacting. He serves as a prime example that Communism is just a means establishing a new emporer and trying to appease everyone else by ensuring very few others are truly wealthy or empowered.
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"Cuba, where you can't drive the 1950 Mercury you are unable to get parts for."
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I imagine that you would like communism back boroda... it was not a bad thing for the privilidged and the sons of them. Kinda rough on everyone else tho.
castro is a tad too ruthless for me to admire... he did have a softer side tho than most of the other ruthless dictators he has outlived like the african ones who would eat the liver out of you while your heart was still beating..
Still... he is not big on free speech or human rights or... even letting people com and go as they please.
I don't think castros cuba would be a place any but a select few would like to party at.
When he dies... things will most likely get better for cubans.
That is his real legacy... he keep his people in chains and in poverty with an iron fist for all this time. He managed to make it so that he could do this while being only 90 miles from the richest country in the world.
If the US lives in the past... then castro is steeped in it... he still sees mobsters running casinos and... he still sees communism as a viable religion.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I don't think castros cuba would be a place any but a select few would like to party at.
They have many tourists and I bet they like to party!. Id love to go there and see the place.
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You have a wrong definition of "communism".
What is failed is a "Soviet Socialism".
And it probably couldn't fail if our leaders were like Fidel, not like that bald stupid with a spot on the head.
Funny, but I turn left-wing, reading you guys on this board. Reading and posting here definetly makes me - Baroda
Do you mean that glastnos dude? Gorby? I never completely trusted him because he was born with that map of Poland on his head... :)
But I maintain that if Gorbachov were running Cuba, I'd be sitting in a cabana right now, listening to salsa, drinking rum and smoking a big fat cigar with a caramel colored chica on my lap.
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i would like to go to cuba.... sand, sunshine, sand, rum... and oh yea, the women... just have to wait for ole uncle fidel to kick the bucket and a new government to take control before i can go... security clearance and hanging out in a commie country dont mix.. :aok
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I have an issue with the leader and not the people.
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Originally posted by lazs2
When he dies... things will most likely get better for cubans.
I don't think that will be the case with this 20th Century Monarch passing the reins of power to his brother. I doubt his brother is going to do anything different and there's even a chance he may make things worse.
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Originally posted by Boroda
" - you still have to admit that he's a great man, the last man standing, an icon for the nations and people who believe in a different way.
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gime a break!
I was born and lived in Transilvania/ Romania under Ceausescu, tired of security, tired of waking up at 4Am to wait in line long hours for milk and bread,
and Castro is the same chit,was Ceausescu's friend, strarving his nation for stupid utopic ideas
I used to work for a Princess Cruises, for 6 years, been in most of the islands in Caribean Sea ,people live decent life from turism incomes in all those islands, but in Cuba , the largest most beatiful island , peoples starve, work for less than 50$/ month
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yes i have to admit he is a great man!
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I wouldn't mind smoking me a real cuban cigar someday.
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Originally posted by Yeager
I wouldn't mind smoking me a real cuban cigar someday.
You want me to mail you a Romeo y Juliet?
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Originally posted by soda72
I don't think that will be the case with this 20th Century Monarch passing the reins of power to his brother. I doubt his brother is going to do anything different and there's even a chance he may make things worse.
Agree, but there is always hope.
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Lots of Americans have been to Cuba, even I know some. True, its illegal, but its not hard.
The guys I know who went are scuba divers. They flew into the Dominican Republic and onto Cuba from there. It is a poor country, similar to other Caribbean nations.
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I would surely be pleased to work out some sort of deal :D
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I hear there's some job openings in the workers paradise.
(http://www.trdparts.com/AH/asdf/cuban-truck.jpg)
Maybe Fidel should consider outsourcing labor?
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that pic is kinda funny, I guess they take turns wearing the life jackets. I'd want to be the guy sitting in the drivers seat behind the steering wheel and be in charge of the tunes (salsa of course) maybe honk the horn once in a while to keep the boys awake.
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I won't miss fidel or his little brother a bit when they are gone.
I am very interested to see how that country reacts when they are gone. It would be nice to have another island to visit from Florida too. It will be very interesting times indeed when they change happens.
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I'm afraid that when Castro dies, the little brother will clamp down very hard on those people to make sure nobody gets any funny ideas. I hope I'm wrong. That could be such a happy place over there.