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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: indy007 on August 14, 2006, 08:37:05 AM
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Gotta love it (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3143048862360929736)
Careful, watching this episode may just make you want to find a 9/11 conspiracy nut, and hit them with a heavy, blunt object.
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Let's talk about scary...
4 out of 5 stars on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1931947058/002-9648410-0180854?v=glance&n=283155)
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I've watched almost all of the P&T shows and this is the only one that I've seen that I can say they really didn't get to the heart of the issue.
Usually they are pretty good about surveying an issue in the 1/2 hour of show that they have, but this one they only picked the cookiest arguments by the cookiest people.
Many 'conspiracy theories' are ludicrous. That is a fact, but many others are credible and well researched.
Saying that those who research the crimes of 9/11 are un-patriotic or somehow disrespectful of the victims not only missrepresents what the credible and caring individuals are trying to do, but undercuts the very purpose of their arguments.
The vast majority of the 9/11 research community presents valid facts and calls for justice for the victims. A real and truly independent investigation is the only way to bring this justice. The government coverup and hijacking of public sentiment is what's disrespectful of the victims.
Bring on the rabid hate mail.
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Say it aint so Hawk!!!!
Those people are weird and weak, and are pretending they know something the rest of us dont. Why? I dont know. Maybe they are so afraid of life they need to. Or maybe they hope they can impress the skank at the club. Who knows.
Im all for real investigations....but not from the likes of these..things.
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"It takes a special kind of prettythanghole"....Well said =)
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LMFAO....PENN is Hilarious! I normally disagree with what he has to say on KROCK afternoon's, but he is great here!!! How's his showtime series? Are they all as good as this?
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Originally posted by Sandman
Let's talk about scary...
4 out of 5 stars on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1931947058/002-9648410-0180854?v=glance&n=283155)
reading some of the reviews:confused:
"The sins of child molesters, thieves and murderers pale in comparison to the crimes of the Bush family and the Democrats and Republicans who turned their heads on 9/11."
dang Sandy you really ought to clean house on your side of the aisle with a flamethrower or something.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Say it aint so Hawk!!!!
Those people are weird and weak, and are pretending they know something the rest of us dont. Why? I dont know. Maybe they are so afraid of life they need to. Or maybe they hope they can impress the skank at the club. Who knows.
Im all for real investigations....but not from the likes of these..things.
The people they find for the P&T episode certainly are weak.
If you've read 40 books on Roman history and I haven't, its not pretending you know something more than me, its just a fact that you've put in more time on the scholarship. A proffessor of physics certainly knows more about physics than I do. Some of the people are crazy, especially the ones P&T chose to interview. Others rely on facts instead of oppinion.
All that the credible 9/11 researchers are calling for is a real investigation. There is ample evidence that the government was involved and I've seen a good portion of it. There's also ample evidence that every single person involved with the Keene comission had such conflicts of interest that they had no business being a part of it.
Penn & Teller have a really funny show, but I wouldn't call it a documentary, and certainly not an exhaustive study. Most issues they deal with are more easily covered in 1/2 hour. On this one they're in way over their heads.
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http://www.debunking911.com/
Hawk- Here is your private investigation...Done by Popular Mechanics, an institution that has provided legitimate and credible research and study in science and technology for over a century....
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68hawk just answer this
were the explosives there all along just waiting for an event like this? Or did the evil government manage to scrounge a few 100lbs of c4 together, get it to the top of the towers and building 7 and then detonate it?
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Originally posted by cav58d
http://www.debunking911.com/
Hawk- Here is your private investigation...Done by Popular Mechanics, an institution that has provided legitimate and credible research and study in science and technology for over a century....
check out the other thread for part of my response to this. To the popular Mechanics study itself:
I did review it some time ago and found it extremely sketchy. They claim to have a large body of experts, "PM consulted more than 300 experts and organizations in its investigation into 9/11 conspiracy theories." but then just list some at the end. Also, most of the 'quotes' they use are so called experts saying something like "That's bull. They're really stretching.". There wasn't much actual substance that hasn't been proven to be a lie.
Paul Joseph Watson puts it best:
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/debunking_popular_mechanics_myths.htm
If PM is so scholarly, why don't they include scholarly documentation in their article? Because they're a 'popular' magazine and not a scholarly one. If Boys Life or Readers Digest tried to run an article like this I wouldn't believe it either. PM has its own interests at heart (hard to blame them for protecting their own interests, even if they do decieve their readers), and not the interests of the American People. In this case they're about as fact based as Harry Anslinger was.
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Pooh21,
They were obviously planted ahead of time. Most likely by people with maintenance credentials, but there are many theories and possibilities as to how this was accomplished. The planning of this was in the works for some time. It certainly wasn't executed off hand.
I would also point out that Andreas von Buelow, your former Defense Minister, has raised questions and leveled accusations of his own.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?id=1521846767-283
http://www.infowars.com/print/Sept11/vonbuelow.htm
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68hawk... *snicker*
Doesn't your hair get that greasy feeling from wearing that your tinfoil hat all the time?
*snicker*
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Hawk, what would you do if I told you the following?
I am studying architectural engineering and specifically, structural design, analysis and failure. The World Trade Towers fell very much in line with the damage they received from airplanes hitting them, and the fires that burned on the inside.
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Sooo.... No airliners were skyjacked by muslim fundamentalists and crashed into the towers?
What the hell did I see on TV and what happened to those planes and all the people on em?
lazs
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Originally posted by Sandman
Let's talk about scary...
4 out of 5 stars on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1931947058/002-9648410-0180854?v=glance&n=283155)
why is it, i am not kidding EVERY time anyone links to amazon to a specific product, i get a blank link that never loads anything but the header of the page?!?:furious
it is only amazon, and it is every link i have ever clicked on for amazon.
in my entire internet life i have never had a link to amazon work ever.
i can go there and search something out myself, but even google shopping links, or "buy the dvd" from other sites will not properly link to amazon EVER.
i have personally given up ever using that site for anything ever.
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After watching some of the Penn and Teller video which included the towers crashing I noticed that the first tower to collapse obviously did so from the point at which the plane impacted. The top part of the tower basically began to fall intact upon the part below the impact. If explosives were planted they would have had to been detonated at that point. This means that the plane would have had to hit that predesignated point exactly or that explosives would have had to be planted at various probable impact points and detonated only at the impact point.
I really oughta go into the sign making business. There's gotta be a killing to be made on the "I want to believe" signs.
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Originally posted by 68Hawk
check out the other thread for part of my response to this. To the popular Mechanics study itself:
I did review it some time ago and found it extremely sketchy. They claim to have a large body of experts, "PM consulted more than 300 experts and organizations in its investigation into 9/11 conspiracy theories." but then just list some at the end. Also, most of the 'quotes' they use are so called experts saying something like "That's bull. They're really stretching.". There wasn't much actual substance that hasn't been proven to be a lie.
Paul Joseph Watson puts it best:
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/debunking_popular_mechanics_myths.htm
If PM is so scholarly, why don't they include scholarly documentation in their article? Because they're a 'popular' magazine and not a scholarly one. If Boys Life or Readers Digest tried to run an article like this I wouldn't believe it either. PM has its own interests at heart (hard to blame them for protecting their own interests, even if they do decieve their readers), and not the interests of the American People. In this case they're about as fact based as Harry Anslinger was.
They probably don't fill their reports with endnotes and references because they are a magazine. That doesn't mean they haven't done their digging, it just means you're going to have a hard time verifying it.
Since you used the Roman History example, read a Stephen Dando Collins book. He doesn't use endnotes either, and it can make referencing him a great pain in the butt. The best you'll get is "Tacitus tells us that..." And then you have to go digging through the Annals to make sure Collins didn't just make that up. Of course, after some frustration with Tacitus' habit of skipping around chronologically, you eventually find what Collins was talking about.
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68Hawk, like Agent Molder's poster says, you "Want to Believe". Don't worry too much though, it just means you think more than average and you have an above avg imagination.
But so did the unibomber and the guy who blew up the gubmit building in OK city.
Usually indulging in these conspiracy theories is a sign of an athletic mind that is bored. Find a hobby or something where you can put these energies into more productive pursuits.
It will also help you grow more comfortable with the rocky hard earth of reality so you won't turn to booze or drugs or church.
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So 68hawk is post ban whitehawk?
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Originally posted by Suave
68Hawk, like Agent Molder's poster says, you "Want to Believe". Don't worry too much though, it just means you think more than average and you have an above avg imagination.
But so did the unibomber and the guy who blew up the gubmit building in OK city.
Usually indulging in these conspiracy theories is a sign of an athletic mind that is bored. Find a hobby or something where you can put these energies into more productive pursuits.
It will also help you grow more comfortable with the rocky hard earth of reality so you won't turn to booze or drugs or church.
68hawk as a Christian.... "OMG it was a conspiracy by Jesus’ men to have him killed!!!" :rofl
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Originally posted by Pooh21
dang Sandy you really ought to clean house on your side of the aisle with a flamethrower or something.
My side of the aisle?
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america.. land of free speech until you dare to have a different opinion on a matter..
in which case you are called/made out to be a wacko.
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68Hawk...
With a turned shoulder, George W. Bush is still allowing the communists to put flouride in our water! Haliburton is manufacturing the flouride, which is being sold to the Russian's, which in turn is being put into our water and jeopardizing our precious bodily fluids...
Elvis is still alive....
The sun is actually A BAD THING....
Black Helicopters fly over my house
and Laguna Beach, AND the O.C. are REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:noid :noid :noid :noid :noid :noid :noid
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Id agree P&T dont have alot of time to present a documentary, I think they pretty much use common sense on most things and try to show the contrast between the viewpoints. Even in the wicked world we live in, I cant accept that our government would sacrifice so many civilains in order to carry out an agenda.
If anything ever leaked out, they would be strung up so quick your head would spin. I dont think even our power hungry, greedy politicians would risk that.
At the very most...I could see them perhaps being aware that an attack of some sort may be in the making, and hold back to use it as a tool to kindle the war, but to say they orchestrated it is going a bit too far.
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68....A few Simple Questions.......
1- Have you ever dismantled your toaster to search for surveillance devices?
2- Take a long, close look at your socks. How sure are you that they're the exact same pair you put on this morning and that no-one's replaced them with a different but similar pair at some point?
3-You're at a party and an attractive member of the opposite sex asks you for your phone number. Do you:
a- Give it to them?
b- Give them a false one?
c- Punch them in the face, leave the party quickly, change taxis twice on the way home, burn your house down and move to another country?
d- Go along with it in the hope they'll have sex with you, then blow their head off before they can betray you?
e- Get them blind drunk and trepan their skull to search for alien implants?
10- Your mother pays you a surprise visit. Do you:
A- Welcome her in, hug her, fix her a drink, etc?
B- Ask her if she's alone?
C- Get your alleged 'mother' in a headlock, stick a gun in her mouth and threaten to blow her head off unless she recites her maiden name and birthdate backwards in the next ten seconds?
D- Blow her head off on general principles - your real mother knows better than to visit without giving the pre-arranged code signal?
E- Chloroform her and trepan her skull to search for alien implants?
4- 5. Is your social security number
A- A necessary means to an efficient social welfare net?
B- An unwarrantable intrusion of government into private life?
C- The fulfillment of that bit in the Book of Revelations about the Mark of the Beast?
D- The alien equivalent of a 'Best Consumed Before' date?
***And finally...Upon reaching question three and seeing it labeled 10, obviously breaking pattern, did you look over your shoulder, and check the telephone for strange "clicks"?
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Originally posted by Furball
america.. land of free speech until you dare to have a different opinion on a matter..
in which case you are called/made out to be a wacko.
So you have reviewed his material and you call him normal Furby?;)
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Originally posted by Furball
america.. land of free speech until you dare to have a different opinion on a matter..
in which case you are called/made out to be a wacko.
It's the land of the free. Anyone is free to be a whacko of they choose. ;)
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FOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOO W MEEEEEEEEEEE 68!!!!!!!!!!
I WILL TAKE YOU TO MY LEADER!
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Try and fly an airliner of that size into a predetermined spot on an object not to much wider than a runway at a pretty fast speed while in a turn.
That's what would have had to happen for explosive theory to have any type of validity.
I'm willing to bet that it's not that easy for even a good airline pilot to accomplish let alone an amature or remote control.
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The Plane That Crashed Into the Empire State Building (http://history1900s.about.com/od/1940s/a/empirecrash.htm)
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Originally posted by soda72
The Plane That Crashed Into the Empire State Building (http://history1900s.about.com/od/1940s/a/empirecrash.htm)
The link has what to do with this conversation?
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If you lean WAY too heavily on the Northwoods document, you may be a 9/11 copnspiracy nut.
If you think someone brought off the biggest scam in history in order to make $2 million in put options, you may be a 9/11 conspiracy nut.
If you think it's easy to rig three office buildings in downtown Manhattan with enough explosives to bring them down without anyone noticing, you may be a 9/11 conspiracy nut.
If you think invisible elves set charges in WTC7 while it was burning, you may be a 9/11 conspiracy nut.
If you think the perps managed to crash into the buildings at the exact locations of the secretly-rigged explosives, you might be a 9/11 conspiracy nut.
If you think the perps crashed their planes into the exact spots where the explosives were placed without setting off the explosives prematurely, you may be a 9/11 conspiracy nut.
If you think these same incredible perps FORGOT to put wreckage around the Pentagon, you might be a 9/11 conspiracy nut.
If you think the bad guys fooled every structural engineer in the world...but they couldn't fool you, you may be a 9/11 conspiracy nut.
If you think POPULAR MECHANICS is a neocon organ, you could be a 9/11 conspiracy nut.
If you think the news is controlled...unless it's a story you like, you may be a 9/11 conspiracy wingnut.
If you think Prison Planet is a reliable news source (sometimes known as "The Government Did Everything" News Service; also known as Delusion Central), you may be a 9/11 conspiracy kooka-booka.
If your entire belief system is based on a blurry video of unknown origin, you may be a 9/11 truthseeker.
If you think the evildoers used their family friends to bring off 9/11, you might be a 9/11 conspiracy coconut.
If you think one of the perps blurted out a confession for no apparent reason on a PBS documentary, you might be a 9/11 conspiracy nut.
If you think fact-checking is a waste of time, you may be a 9/11 conspiracy nut. (Have you considered making a documentary?)
If you think international bankers financed a plan to close down Wall Street, you might be a 9/11 conspiracy nut.
If you've seen The Matrix one too many times, you might be a 9/11 conspiracy nut.
If you think the perps filled their cover story with bizarre anomalies and made blunders everywhere, fooling everyone in the world but you and your friends, you might be a 9/11 conspiracy nutball.
If you honest-to-God think you can predict the future, you may be a 9/11 conspiracy nut.
If disagreeing with you is certain proof that someone is an agent, you might be a 9/11 conspiracy nut.
If you don't pay your traffic fines as a matter of principle, you're probably a 9/11 conspiracy nut.
If you think the profound questions of the world are best solved by angry white guys with IQ's in the mid-80's, you may be a 9/11 conspiracy nut. Or some other kind of nut.
If you think all the other 9/11 truth people are for the birds, but you have it all figured out, you may be a 9/11 conspiracy nut.
If you took WAY THE HELL too much ecstasy, you might be a 9/11 conspiracy nut.
If you just can't believe how stupid and brainwashed everyone but you is, you may be a 9/11 conspiracy nut.
If you think everyone is laughing with you, you may be a 9/11 conspiradroid.
If you think it's cool and patriotic to make false accusations of mass murder, you must be a 9/11 conspiracy nut.
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The Penn and Teller shows are great and i believe most of what they say, most of their show is to find the most outrageous person they can find on the subject and make them look stoopid. (Agreed they make themselves look stupid in the first place.) Then they have nothing but ad hominem attacks.
It kind of goes on the theory that if you give someone enough rope they will hang themselves.
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Please post more of these
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Please post more of these
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Penn+%26+Teller+Bull****
Because of the profanity filter, you'll need to modify "Bull****" at the end of the URL. Just complete the slang for male bovine scat rather than use the ****.
You'll get just three vids otherwise.
You can also download most if not all of them on TvTorrents.