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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: RedTop on August 16, 2006, 06:24:10 PM
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Had a bit of a meltdown on 200 today. Not sure I have ever been that melted either.
I shouldn't let someone whom I will more than likley never meet in my life dictate that type of response from me in a game.
I try to be polite and not whine much at ll. I enjoy fighting all types of people. Good or Bad . Newb or Vet.
To all that were on 200 today that saw my meltdown , my most humble apologies. Especially the Knights. Sorry I did that.
I'll try and pretty well promise you that will never happen again.
.squelch soandso is my new deal.
All
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I knew there was an explaination. Note that RedTop is next to the raging inferno on my film.
It was his meltdown that showed up!
Sorry RedTop, couldn't help but see the connection :)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/861_1155710087_whatsthis.jpg)
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Red, u lost your cool?? Wow, someone must have really pissed you off!! Im sure all will be forgiven!! Your one of the nicest guys i have ever met!
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some tool, fortunately enough, he managed to piss off enough people on the BBS that he's already PNG, so he cant bump in here either...
but RT, dont worry about it, the response was totally justified by the ignition;)
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Red Top your cool, nice guy, Texans Unite!!:aok :D
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RT don't you wish that for one day God would give you a delete button that worked on people? :D
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ohh dont feel bad redtop i have my messages suspended becuase this game is really pissing me off and i jump on this guy for lagging on my 6 200 away after i saw him crash into the ground. i mean thats one reason im taking a break. lol i got pist they suspended my messages for like a month now.
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Originally posted by ujustdied
ohh dont feel bad redtop i have my messages suspended becuase this game is really pissing me off and i jump on this guy for lagging on my 6 200 away after i saw him crash into the ground. i mean thats one reason im taking a break. lol i got pist they suspended my messages for like a month now.
Just a guess here, but it probably wasnt that guys fault he was lagging.
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yes it was he clearly pulled one of thoughs umm... cord pulling manouvers. wish i had it on tape though. and my messages were coming up just fine no lag for me.
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We need names folks! Who was it????:aok
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Great. Another thread turned into a *"§$§%§$% cable pulling idiots".
Gawd CatFish... do you really mind *one* death/missing kill so much in your stats? LMAO. Me thinks you got your chat privvies removed for a good cause.
RedTop: Dont worry about it. Youre a good guy. Im sure most understand. And those who dont arent the ones that matter anyway.
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Great. Another thread turned into a *"§$§%§$% cable pulling idiots".
Gawd CatFish... do you really mind *one* death/missing kill so much in your stats? LMAO. Me thinks you got your chat privvies removed for a good cause.
Schatzi responding like this..... :confused:
Yep thats it there is definatly somthing wrong with the AHII Universe...... :D
Oh yeah Redtop I Know ya and I have had a couple of figths with ya, I cant recall ever having an issue with ya mate....
I suggest not tuning to 200, I have had to turn 200 off cause I get sick and tired of hearing the whiney arse cr@p on it....
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Mussie, maybe i need to elaborate a little more:
Yes, im very dissapointed with AH lately. It seems all it is is big talk anymore - HT should change the name to "Egos High".
I respect CatFish very much for his flying skills. I just do not think its neccessary for him to loose it on text just because of a guy lagging. Blaming it on cable pulling is just downright ridiculous. Its been stated *many* a times (and explained to death) that all cable pulling can do is maybe warp you, it CANT BE directed and certainly not used to "intentionally warp on someones six". Besieds, how often does it have to be said? Send allegations of cheating to HT and keep your mouth shut on chat/BBS.
Maybe I should apologize to CatFish... he just happened to be in the wrong thread at the wrong time. Hes not the only one.
And ill shut up now, because i should clearly take my own advice. Stop typing if you are starting to be frustrated and mad. Its got no point anyway.
That said,
>>S<<
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5 years and nothings changed, just the names.
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Mussie, maybe i need to elaborate a little more:
~~~ Cropped~~~
And ill shut up now, because i should clearly take my own advice. Stop typing if you are starting to be frustrated and mad. Its got no point anyway.
That said,
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Awww Sorry Schatzi
I did not mean to sound like I was having a go at you there, It's just that even in the most heated threads (I am looking at you BK's :p ) Your posts have always sounded like the voice of reason...
I understand your frustration, The MA rarely gives me good fights and I suppose I should be in the AVA but but there is rarely anyone in there....
My main reason for flying AH was FSO, The MA was just a training ground but I have not played FSO in months (it conflicts with RL cause its at midday on saturday over here in AUS)
So now I am begining to ask myself why I continue to fly, I spend my time in the MA desperatly seeking a decent fight and rarely finding one, I know if I quit I will only be back in a few months doing the same....
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Originally posted by mussie
Awww Sorry Schatzi
I did not mean to sound like I was having a go at you there, It's just that even in the most heated threads (I am looking at you BK's :p ) Your posts have always sounded like the voice of reason...
Hehe, yeah. Let it be said: theres nothing the AH community cant do - they can even get *me* to loose my cool ;).
And mussie, i know what i still fly AH for. The (admittedly rare) good fights in between the MA HOs and picks. The great people you have in this community. The fights i have in the DA. The people in the TA that say "hey, thx for the help" when i leave.
BTW, i think its not only the *AH* universe thats on the wrong track.... ever read "The Swarm", written by Frank Schätzing?
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Originally posted by Schatzi
And mussie, i know what i still fly AH for. The (admittedly rare) good fights in between the MA HOs and picks. The great people you have in this community. The fights i have in the DA. The people in the TA that say "hey, thx for the help" when i leave.
Hmmm the voice of reason returns :D
As for the Swarm, no but I will google it and see if its somthing that grabs my attention
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I enjoy when somone whines about me.
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Yes, im very dissapointed with AH lately. It seems all it is is big talk anymore - HT should change the name to "Egos High".
:aok
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Question- Unless you are sitting next to a person and actually watch them pull their cable out how can you be sure that is what they did??
Answer- You can't.
It surely can't be that wonderful and perfectly working thing we call the internet.
Every little bit goes where it should, every packet finds it's way to it's correct destination.
Of course Mother Nature knows how important the net is and she promised to never let lightining strike near anything net related.
Those drunk drivers knocking down telephone poles definately know which ones to hit and not to hit so they don't interfere with cables that carry anything related to the internet.
And of course those wonderful ISPs with their most intelligent people working to fix any minor or major problem with their equipment keeping the net at tip top shape at 100%. And the ISPs definately spend the BIG bucks to make sure their equipment is state of the art and never overloaded.
Yep, couldn't be anything internet related.
Back to the point though, RedTop to you and your after-actions.
Bet the dolt who aggitated you would never consider something like this.
Well, it probably would in some wacky way that only it would perceive as a true and heartfelt apology.
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I think this, maybe? Hehehe.
Dopaminergic neurotransmission may be involved in learning, reinforcement of behaviour, attention, and sensorimotor integration. Binding of the radioligand 11C-labelled raclopride to dopamine D2 receptors is sensitive to levels of endogenous dopamine, which can be released by pharmacological challenge. Here we use 11C-labelled raclopride and positron emission tomography scans to provide evidence that endogenous dopamine is released in the human striatum during a goal-directed motor task, namely a video game. Binding of raclopride to dopamine receptors in the striatum was significantly reduced during the video game compared with baseline levels of binding, consistent with increased release and binding of dopamine to its receptors. The reduction in binding of raclopride in the striatum positively correlated with the performance level during the task and was greatest in the ventral striatum. These results show, to our knowledge for the first time, behavioural conditions under which dopamine is released in humans, and illustrate the ability of positron emission tomography to detect neurotransmitter fluxes in vivo during manipulations of behaviour.
I remember after game update a few months ago, everybody was stuck sitting on the runway and everybody was cursing so bad. It is a brain chemical thing I believe.
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Originally posted by Clutz
I think this, maybe? Hehehe.
Dopaminergic neurotransmission may be involved in learning, reinforcement of behaviour, attention, and sensorimotor integration. Binding of the radioligand 11C-labelled raclopride to dopamine D2 receptors is sensitive to levels of endogenous dopamine, which can be released by pharmacological challenge. Here we use 11C-labelled raclopride and positron emission tomography scans to provide evidence that endogenous dopamine is released in the human striatum during a goal-directed motor task, namely a video game. Binding of raclopride to dopamine receptors in the striatum was significantly reduced during the video game compared with baseline levels of binding, consistent with increased release and binding of dopamine to its receptors. The reduction in binding of raclopride in the striatum positively correlated with the performance level during the task and was greatest in the ventral striatum. These results show, to our knowledge for the first time, behavioural conditions under which dopamine is released in humans, and illustrate the ability of positron emission tomography to detect neurotransmitter fluxes in vivo during manipulations of behaviour.
Wow, thats an interesting study.... got more then the abstract?
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Originally posted by Clutz
I think this, maybe? Hehehe.
Dopaminergic neurotransmission may be involved in learning, reinforcement of behaviour, attention, and sensorimotor integration. Binding of the radioligand 11C-labelled raclopride to dopamine D2 receptors is sensitive to levels of endogenous dopamine, which can be released by pharmacological challenge. Here we use 11C-labelled raclopride and positron emission tomography scans to provide evidence that endogenous dopamine is released in the human striatum during a goal-directed motor task, namely a video game. Binding of raclopride to dopamine receptors in the striatum was significantly reduced during the video game compared with baseline levels of binding, consistent with increased release and binding of dopamine to its receptors. The reduction in binding of raclopride in the striatum positively correlated with the performance level during the task and was greatest in the ventral striatum. These results show, to our knowledge for the first time, behavioural conditions under which dopamine is released in humans, and illustrate the ability of positron emission tomography to detect neurotransmitter fluxes in vivo during manipulations of behaviour.
I remember after game update a few months ago, everybody was stuck sitting on the runway and everybody was cursing so bad. It is a brain chemical thing I believe.
Oh Crap My Brain Just Discoed.....:huh
EDIT: Schatzi if you understood that beyond the VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY Basics then what the crap are you doing playing AH :D
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Originally posted by Clutz
I think this, maybe? Hehehe.
Dopaminergic neurotransmission may be involved in learning, reinforcement of behaviour, attention, and sensorimotor integration. Binding of the radioligand 11C-labelled raclopride to dopamine D2 receptors is sensitive to levels of endogenous dopamine, which can be released by pharmacological challenge. Here we use 11C-labelled raclopride and positron emission tomography scans to provide evidence that endogenous dopamine is released in the human striatum during a goal-directed motor task, namely a video game. Binding of raclopride to dopamine receptors in the striatum was significantly reduced during the video game compared with baseline levels of binding, consistent with increased release and binding of dopamine to its receptors. The reduction in binding of raclopride in the striatum positively correlated with the performance level during the task and was greatest in the ventral striatum. These results show, to our knowledge for the first time, behavioural conditions under which dopamine is released in humans, and illustrate the ability of positron emission tomography to detect neurotransmitter fluxes in vivo during manipulations of behaviour.
I remember after game update a few months ago, everybody was stuck sitting on the runway and everybody was cursing so bad. It is a brain chemical thing I believe.
WTF! :rolleyes:
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Uber from the following words and phrases
Dopaminergic
neurotransmission
dopamine D2 receptors
goal-directed motor task
I think it refers to how the brain learns to control motor skills (hand eye co-ord ?) whilst in a goal orientated situation....
Or to put into UBER terms:
Like when you get to second base for the first time as a teenager and you try to undo a bra with one hand... You never forget how not to do it... :)
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me thinks it means vidoe games have the ability to alter a person's normal behavoir. but what do i know? i cant even spell behavoir and im too lazy to look it up. so there.
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Hmmm I think you right, doesn't Dopamine affect your emotional state ?
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Originally posted by mussie
Oh Crap My Brain Just Discoed.....:huh
EDIT: Schatzi if you understood that beyond the VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY Basics then what the crap are you doing playing AH :D
Mussie, im a Veterinarian. We do have a neurological education as well. And the brain chemistry of a dog isnt really that much different then a human one.
All they did was bind a radioactive component that had less affinity then the endogenous (produced in the brain itself) Dopamin to the receptor. Now, when the brain released Dopamine, the radioactive components would be chased away from the receptor by the Dopamine and its concentration would be reduced in certain parts of the brain. Thats what they did measure with the tomography. They kind of "mapped" the parts if the brain that were active during gameplay.
And i play AH to relax :).
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Originally posted by mussie
Hmmm I think you right, doesn't Dopamine affect your emotional state ?
Dopamine is a neurotransmitter (one of several) that has many functions in the brain. Mainly the motoric functions (->Parkinson: Dopamine deficiency), it regulates the secretion of pituitary gland hormones and if certain receptors in a specific part of the brain are triggered it can cause nausea and sickness.
Id certainly wouldnt hold it responsible for people loosing their cool if they got shot down ;). All the study says that Dopamine levels rise in certain parts of the brain when the person has to do a senso-motorical task (in this case a video game). This doesnt explain any emotional states
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Originally posted by Schatzi
And the brain of a dog isnt really that much different then a human one.
And I could post a list of the people you are talking about :D
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Originally posted by mussie
Uber from the following words and phrases
Dopaminergic
neurotransmission
dopamine D2 receptors
goal-directed motor task
I think it refers to how the brain learns to control motor skills (hand eye co-ord ?) whilst in a goal orientated situation....
Or to put into UBER terms:
Like when you get to second base for the first time as a teenager and you try to undo a bra with one hand... You never forget how not to do it... :)
Hehe, *much* better explained then i did :).
(And the limbic system is mostly controlled by noradrenegic (positive) and serotoninergic (negative) neurons.)
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Originally posted by SunKing
5 years and nothings changed, just the names.
Exactly what I thought after 5 minutes in the MA. (errrr... isn't that 7 years now?)
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So what they were saying is that goal orientate motor tasks cause an increase of dopamine in the brain....
And as playing a video game requires hand eye co-ordination, ie the brain co-ordinating the information being received by the visual, aural and tactile senses with the bodies muscles via the nervious system, this would make sense.
Because (If I understand you correctly) dopamine is a neuro tranmitter associated with controling the motor skills...
:D
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Dopamine has a WIDE variety of effects in the brain, depending on what part of the brain you look at and what specific dopamine receptors are involved in the circuit.
In motor control areas, dopamine manages movement and especially fine control -- which is partly why Parkinson's patients have that tremor all the time, and why medicines that increase their dopamine levels can reduce the tremor and improve control.
It gets really interesting, though, when you look at the frontal cortex. The front areas of the brain, over the eyes, are important for personality and for emotion. (For example, frontal lobe seizures may NOT have any shaking, just uncontrollable outbursts of irrational anger....without having a dweeby AH death to blame for it)
Frontal areas depend on dopamine receptors for behavior/reward learning loops, and for pleasure in general. In fact many "uppers" like dexadrine and cocaine trigger responses in the frontal dopamine system for their "high."
Anyway, that combined influence on reward loops and pleasure ion general means that addctive behaviors are tightly tied to the dopamine system....and explains both why Parkinson's Disease patients are VERY unlikely to be addcitive gamblers, and why some dopamine active medicines used for Parkinson's include addictive behavior as side effects.
Bu that doesnt mean gamers, who know a little about behavior/reward cycles, are victims of chemistry. The brain LEARNS more than just facts, and it is incredible adaptive to what we throw at it. Behavior modification can change chemical levels in the brain....and for example kids growing up with lots of TV and video games have lower tolerance for delayed gratification, because of the instantaneous nature of the reward cycles they're been trained in
So, while it may be fair to say that we victims of Aces Crack likely have higher frontal dopamine levels -- our choices determine our behavior, NOT our chemistry.
It is nice to know, though, that we have a low risk of parkinsons disease....
Simaril
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
And I could post a list of the people you are talking about :D
Guilty dogs bark first!:aok
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Originally posted by Simaril
It is nice to know, though, that we have a low risk of parkinsons disease....
Simaril
and yet a higher risk of poor eyesight from hours squinting at the screen, kidney stones from holding a 6 pack for an hour while trying to chase down a la la, and high blood pressure from running away from said la la when he realizes you're a red guy ;)
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Originally posted by RedTop
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I'll try and pretty well promise you that will never happen again.
.squelch soandso is my new deal.
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back at you -- for trying to do the right thing.
We've all been there, and even Schatzi cracks now and then (which means she slips from "inhuman kindness" to " a very kind person") I've had a few get well under my skin too.
I've made a rule for myself, that I'm not allowed to say anything after a painful sortie. Thats kept my mouth shut for the few minutes it takes to realize whats important after all....
And it doesnt hurt when I remind myself that no matter how much I hate being around a jerk, its worse for THEM -- because they have to be with themselves all the time!
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Originally posted by Simaril
Dopamine has a WIDE variety of effects in the brain, depending on what part of the brain you look at and what specific dopamine receptors are involved in the circuit.
In motor control areas, .....
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It is nice to know, though, that we have a low risk of parkinsons disease....
Simaril
Just goes to show if you think youre smart you arent. That tidbit of info on the frontal lobe was conveniently missing from my books/education. Thanks for the outline Simaril. I learned something new there. :)
But if i understood correctly, Dopa is the *positive* agent here. That means high level of Dopamine would result in pleasure/reward and positive feelings. In other (non-scientific) words, playing AH should reduce negative emotional outbursts from a brain chemistry POV. (Im not talking about human interaction and choices here, which IMHO are the bigger factor here)
Id really like to get my hands on that study now... i wonder which parts of the brain exactly showed increased Dopa levels. Maybe AH is *literally* addicting? :D
Thanks and >>S<< Simaril.
PS: May i ask what your connection to neurology is?
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All I know is that when I sneak up on some body's 6 and blow them up and shoot off parts to their plane, I immediately get this happy feeling. Its a rush. It makes me happy happy. I don't know why, but it does. It must be some chemical shooting back and forth to little receptors in my brain or whatever like that. And when the net lag makes it so I cant get a kill, the reverse may happen. I have learned threw self discipline to calmly walk away and try later. This was quite hard to learn to do though. But as adults, that is what adults should know how to do. After that last Ah update when everything went wrong I sent a somewhat nasty email to AH (I didn't know who Skuzzy was back then). The next day I felt nothing but shame and sent an apology email. I don't know why I did it. It was like I got angry cause I couldn't get my brain chemical fix or something. Kind of like what happens to "THE HULK". I bet there are lawyers that use this line of thinking for a defendants defense. But I say this, self restraint in an odd situation is an even better feeling than a kill on somebodys 6. It really is. A positive attitude and self control makes a happy person under ANY situation.
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Ooook, well, next time my dog eats chocolate, or I have a biology test, I guess I know where to go ;)
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Originally posted by mussie
Uber from the following words and phrases
Dopaminergic
neurotransmission
dopamine D2 receptors
goal-directed motor task
I think it refers to how the brain learns to control motor skills (hand eye co-ord ?) whilst in a goal orientated situation....
Or to put into UBER terms:
Like when you get to second base for the first time as a teenager and you try to undo a bra with one hand... You never forget how not to do it... :)
:rofl :rofl
OH YOU BASTAGE MUSSIE! :p
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I bet chemical reactions within the brain are a survival mechanism that goes back to cro-magnon man. If a cro-magnon hunter was out hunting food like we hunt AH enemy's, a successful hunt would stimulate the brain and thus help the survival of the species. Logical? I got way to much time on my hands today. :cool:
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Y does that Beaver have boobies?
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Pretty soon we'll be talking about sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems.
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Originally posted by fuzeman
Pretty soon we'll be talking about sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems.
Aces High *definitly* fires up the sympathicus. :D
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It *definitly* fires up the parasympatheticus as well! :) :rofl :rofl :rofl
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathicus&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsympathicus%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG
Im getting a headache now, can we change the subject please? :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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The only para I fire up in AH is my parachute :p
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yes schatzi i just really need to take a break and that is what im doing. i hate having a big huge ego. i mean now i am worrying less about rank and just tryout out new rides and trying to have fun. but these last couple of days its just been rediclulas. getting my wing blown off from 800-1000 from a 190d or hurricane in 1 ping is just really making me mad. im just sick of diving from 15k and having a guy 200 off me every time im going 550. like i said im just taking a break for a while. i might even change my name and get back online just so i can start over and be nicer and not worrying about egos and stuff.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Guilty dogs bark first!:aok
Hey, its my list, I have to be at the top :D
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Originally posted by ujustdied
yes schatzi i just really need to take a break and that is what im doing. i hate having a big huge ego. i mean now i am worrying less about rank and just tryout out new rides and trying to have fun. but these last couple of days its just been rediclulas. getting my wing blown off from 800-1000 from a 190d or hurricane in 1 ping is just really making me mad. im just sick of diving from 15k and having a guy 200 off me every time im going 550. like i said im just taking a break for a while. i might even change my name and get back online just so i can start over and be nicer and not worrying about egos and stuff.
I understand completely. As you can see from my post, its been riling me up these last days as well.
I hope you get your fire and good feeling about the game back soon. I really liked that CatFish i first met in the DA, handing me a great fight!
>>S<< and blue skies until then!
PS: Had some really good fun and fights in the MA tonight. >S< to all that contributed.
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Mussie, im a Veterinarian. We do have a neurological education as well. And the brain chemistry of a dog isnt really that much different then a human one.
PROOF! I HAVE PROOF!!!
And that my friends is going in a sig. ;) Schatzi, Simaril thanks for the education. :)
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:lol
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I had heartworms. Carparsolate has fried my brain.
I always take the wrong aircraft in squad ops, and usually die
from my own stupidity:)
Gotta love the dogs, they named a ribbon after me! LOL
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*spits beer out nose
BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA HAHAHAHAHAHA
the dogs are on tonight :)
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...snifff, sniff, sniff.....
Wooooof!!
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amen :)
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since were on the subject...coba94= coby ..my dog...94 when he was born.dogs are the best... except my dopamine levels and my synapses start snapping when im around a rott or a pit.and chows usually have me looking around for the nearest tree as well.:D
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well, not being informed of the highest degree of accuracy, I hesitate to articulate for fear I may deviate from the true course of rectitude!
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Originally posted by Shuffler
well, not being informed of the highest degree of accuracy, I hesitate to articulate for fear I may deviate from the true course of rectitude!
huh huh huh huh he said Rectitude huh huh:D