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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: funked on February 15, 2001, 11:30:00 AM
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Who is the only driver to win the World Championship, the Indy 500, and the Daytona 500? What other major auto racing event is he still trying to win?
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Mario. And I'd guess either LeMans or the Baja.
Mk
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Mario raced Nascar?
I did not know that.
AKDejaVu
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Yep he sure did do the NASCAR thing. Mario was a very divers driver
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ESPN has a pretty good mini-article on him at http://espn.go.com/sportscentury/features/00014066.html (http://espn.go.com/sportscentury/features/00014066.html) .
I wasn't able to find a picture of the Ford he raced in the 67 Daytona 500.
By the looks of some other sites I stumbled across... I'd have to say that LeMans is the direction Mario is looking.
AKDejaVu
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Good job! Yep it's Le Mans. I hope he runs again this year. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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How about part two to this...
Who was the first driver to race in an IndyCar race and NASCAR race both in the same day?
AKDejaVu
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John Andretti. Or was it Robby Gordon? No, I think it was Andretti.
And Tony Stewart was the last one to do it.
Mk
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aaah great some racing trivia here! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I have one too:
can you name this racecar by its sound ? http://home.t-online.de/home/Aircombat/gpl/eolc/cars/2001/Trivia.mp3 (http://home.t-online.de/home/Aircombat/gpl/eolc/cars/2001/Trivia.mp3)
note: increase volume to the max
mp3 is about 1.5mb
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John Andretti. Or was it Robby Gordon? No, I think it was Andretti.
John Andretti... good job.
AKDejaVu
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Nigel Mansell?..I guess it depends on what World championship you're talking about (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Daff
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Nigel Mansel? I don't ever remember him racing NASCAR.
Indy 500: Indycar/CART (depends on timeframe)
Daytona 500: NASCAR
And by "World Championship" he means F1.
Nigel may have done two of those.. but he didn't do all three.
AKDejaVu
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Yup...takes a REAL man to race in NASCAR... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Mk
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Originally posted by Gh0stFT:
...can you name this racecar by its sound ?...
I would guess it is an F1 car but I have no idea which one. It sounds very nice. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) Man I wish I could find a recording of a Ford GT-40 Mk II that nice. Thx for posting it. COOL!
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I think Nigel would have been PERFECT for NASCAR actually. Beer-bellied drivers throwing helmets - it's right up his alley.
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I'd like to see a present-day F1 driver do a 500 miler at Daytona, Talledega, or Charlotte, and see if they still felt that NASCAR drivers were a bunch of talentless, overweight rednecks.
I would imagine they might think a little differently about what they make fun of so easily now.
Mk
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500 miles of mostly straight driving with power steering and small g-loads would be no problem for hyper-fit F-1 pilots who are used to loads up to 5g. The learning curve would be in learning to drive cars with different weight distribution and solid axles, plus learning the art of car setup which is what separates the men from the boys in the Winston Cup. Not to say that setup is not critical in F-1, but they are tuning completely different systems of the car.
PS I don't think too many F-1 drivers make fun of NASCAR. Most of the comments I have heard from them indicate that they either don't know it exists, or if they do know about it, it's something they would like to try.
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Gh0st that sounds like a Ferrari F1 engine but probably a V-12 instead of the current V-10. I could be wrong.
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WROOOOOOOOOM
<100 laps>
Uhm, maybe I should twist the wheel a bit.
<300 laps>
WROOOM
Damned, outta beers. Cannot work on my beer gut.
<400 laps>
WROOOM
Hoo humm.
Heh, F1 is way cooler than Nascar.
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9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
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Originally posted by Gh0stFT:
can you name this racecar by its sound ?
ok the answere is:
Its Schumis last year F1 Ferrari, a V10 funked (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I have a Ferrari V12 sound somewhere, this sounds even crazier.
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500 miles of mostly straight driving with power steering and small g-loads would be no problem for hyper-fit F-1 pilots who are used to loads up to 5g.
I don't have the exact figures, and I haven't even had a cup of coffee yet (I am NOT a UBB junkie, I am NOT a UBB junkie...), but I think you'd find that there is quite a lot of g in NASCAR also.
And I'm not trying to put down F1. I watch it whenever I can, and was amazed that Schumacher went to Ferrari, when they clearly were not able at that time to put a good, solid, winning car that would finish the race on the track.
He went there, and made it happen by being involved in all phases of their racing program. He took on a challenge, and brought them back into the winner's circle. Ooops, probably a NASCAR-type phrase. He, um, got a Ferrari driver back on the podium. There.
First off, I have yet to see a track that NASCAR races on that involves "mostly straight driving."
And if the track doesn't make you pull a good amount of g in a somewhat flat turn, you're being pushed down into your seat from g's at places like Atlanta or Charlotte, and then taking the sideways g's in the dogleg.
With the types of speeds they're running now, and the incredible level of competition, you can't just be a big fat guy anymore either.
I think even Jimmy Spencer is probably in a little bit better shape than you might think. Surprising yes, and still doesn't do anything for his looks (yikes!), but his physical endurance would probably surprise you.
Many, and most for that matter, truly successful Winston Cup drivers work out a lot. Mark Martin is probably one of the best examples. He's kind of like the Schumacher of NASCAR, probably 2 1/2 hours a day.
And I think the real distinction here aside from what funked mentioned is that F1 drivers compared to Cup drivers are basically sprinters, and Cup drivers could be looked at as cross-country.
There is quite a difference between the two obviously, a lot of it having to do with the fact that F1 is on a huge road course that is a shorter race, with about 1/3 the amount of cars, with a lot of space between the cars a lot of the time.
500 mile races, and even the 600 mile race at Charlotte every year, can last for 3 1/2 hours, bumper-to-bumper, car door-to-car door, at extremely high speeds in a 3400 lb. vehicle that doesn't always do what you want it to.
An average lap speed at Daytona of 183mph and change, means that they're moving them along pretty good. For a long, long, time.
That takes extreme mental concentration. And I think the F1 drivers could certainly do it.
They would probably be a little suprised though, at the level of concentration that would be required in a 500 mile race, door-to-door, bumper-to-bumper.
They'd also probably be a little surprised at going down the back straight at Talledega, gettin' real close to 200mph, and being hit in the bellybutton by Dale Earnhardt, bump-drafting their car, to pull him along faster, so he could dive down in turn three, and scare the crap out of you as the air went off your spoiler, and you felt the rear end of the car acting like it wants to ride up into the concrete barrier. For 3 1/2 hours.
So don't get me wrong...I like F1 a lot, and I have great respect for the drivers. I'm a big Schumacher fan, and I'm happy to see Mikka do so well these past few years. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
But sometimes I guess I do get a little distressed at the lack of respect NASCAR gets from a lot of people, both in the US and abroad.
It's kind of like the feeling Europeans might get when someone makes fun of their football, as compared to ours, or vice versa.
And funked, you may have had the TV turned on sometimes when I didn't, because the only F1 driver I've ever heard say anything nice about NASCAR was Gerhard Berger.
Oh heck, didn't mean to pop off so long. I just think that if people knew what was going on in NASCAR more, more people would enjoy it, and appreciate what those guys go through with 135 degree cockpit temperatures on a hot August Sunday in a 3 1/2 hour, grueling, 500 mile race.
Oh, and I've seen some pretty interesting gestures from F1 drivers directed towards other drivers, and some other associated behaviours that might translate quite easily into the NASCAR method of expressing displeasure. They just make sure their steering wheel is taken care of first. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
So here's looking forward to an exciting year in NASCAR (hopefully Mark, Rusty, or Kenny Schrader will do well this year, they're from Missouri and Arkansas), and an exciting season in F1, as Mikka takes on Michael again.
Gentlemen, start your engines.
Mk
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One thing most people don't realize is that F-1 cars are on the limit of adhesion for most of the lap. On some NASCAR circuits (Talladega, Daytona), the cars never even reach their cornering limits. And those limits are much lower than in F-1.
Furthermore stock cars are by design much more stable under acceleration and cornering. Stock cars are almost always in understeer, while oversteer can be seen in any slow-to-medium speed corner in F-1.
Some of the highest g-loads come under braking in F-1 (near 5g), and braking barely exists in NASCAR.
I think the concentration in both sports is similar - the precision of traveling in a tight pack vs. the precision of keeping a 900 hp monster on the edge of grip.
But the physical intensity is much much higher in F-1. Two hours of sprinting vs. 3-1/2 hours of walking. No comparison IMHO.
PS F-1 bores the toejam out of me, at least on TV. Bernie has ruined a once great series. I'll watch a race on TV if it's raining, otherwise CLICK. I'd much rather spend a few hours at the local bullring.
An F-1 race in person is a different issue. The sound of the cars alone is worth the price of admission. Recordings and TV do not do it justice.
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Some of the highest g-loads come under braking in F-1 (near 5g), and braking barely exists in NASCAR.
LOL! You must be under the impression that all NASCAR races are run at Daytona and Talladega.
A NASCAR racing car recently went around a shorter track with a "break" cam. I was totally amazed to see the entire rotor go to red hot in a matter of a second under heavy breaking.
That said, there is no way in hell a NASCAR racer will experience the same G load as an Indy or F1 racer. The Indy and F1 cars are generating incredible amounts of downforce that enable them to corner and break at incredible speeds. NASCAR just doesn't have the areodynamics for it.
The one thing F1 racers don't have to face as often is 3 wide driving. If they go in side by side into a corner, they crash and a little girl slap fight ensues. This is normal racing conditions in NASCAR. Bumping the left rear corner in the middle of a turn is commonplace (especially if you're named Earnhardt) and there is just more to worry about. The cars aren't gluing you to the road there... you are barely controlling them.
Each has pros and cons. I like to watch both and can apreciate them for what they offer. Necks always believe they are the toughest, while Euro's (I know.. not just Euros in F1) will always say that doesn't matter (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
AKDejaVu
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Necks... LOL YOU CLONE!
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First off, I'll remember to be kind...I appreciate your comments about the Spit V, and really I think we're pretty close on our ways of thinking, but just a few points I might elaborate on:
One thing most people don't realize is that F-1 cars are on the limit of adhesion for most of the lap. On some NASCAR circuits (Talladega, Daytona), the cars never even reach their cornering limits. And those limits are much lower than in F-1.
While that certainly is true at the larger superspeedways, let's not forget they race on a lot of tracks that don't quite have the banking the larger tracks do...Martinsville, Richmond, Loudon, even tracks like Darlington to a certain degree. And I think those 3400 lbs. do try and break free pretty easily in the corners on those tracks, plus I don't think the tires are as wide as in F1.
Furthermore stock cars are by design much more stable under acceleration and cornering. Stock cars are almost always in understeer, while oversteer can be seen in any slow-to-medium speed corner in F-1.
Understeer? Oversteer? Oh! You mean "loose" and "pushin'" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Well, somewhat, but a lot of guys get a push, I mean have an understeering condition sometimes too, and it's hard as heck to get that puppy to turn.
You also have a lot higher center of gravity in a stock car, with a lot more roll to it.
Also, something I've realized just in the past few years, is how much the cars dance around in the draft. I really can't believe how much they move back and forth in the pack, buffeting around. Probably due to all the constant changes with front air dams and rear spoilers, and now that roof airfoil.
Some of the highest g-loads come under braking in F-1 (near 5g), and braking barely exists in NASCAR.
Well, except at places like Martinsville, and Watkins Glen and Sears point. Oh, and Bristol. Man, those brakes light up like cherries at Bristol. Sometimes even lights the tires on fire, or as they say down there, the "tars on far."
But the physical intensity is much much higher in F-1. Two hours of sprinting vs. 3-1/2 hours of walking. No comparison IMHO.
Honestly, I really don't know. That's why I think it would be so incredible to have someone like Gerhard or someone like that come over and have Jack Roush or some other NASCAR bigshot give him a ride for a race like Daytona or the Brickyard. I would really, really like to hear what an F1 driver had to say after a grueling (at least by NASCAR standards...) race. That would be SO cool!
PS F-1 bores the toejam out of me, at least on TV. Bernie has ruined a once great series. I'll watch a race on TV if it's running, otherwise CLICK.
I used to REALLY enjoy F1 when it was on at like, 6:45am here stateside on cable, live.
It was so much fun to get up early before anyone else, and be able to watch almost a whole race without familial intervention all by my lonesome. It was almost like cheating!
An F-1 race in person is a different issue. The sound of the cars alone is worth the price of admission. Recordings and TV do not do it justice.
Oh God, wouldn't that be the bee's knees! Man, I'd just love to check out Monte Carlo, or anywhere really, hell, I imagine it would be pretty much a religeous experience. F1 cars are pretty much F-15's with wheels.
Now hey there, that's a pretty good analogy! F1 racing is like modern jet fighters, and NASCAR is like WWII aircraft! Hmmmm....
Mk
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No, NASCAR can't be WWII because there were at least some parts on those cars that were designed after 1950. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I exclude Bristol, Martinsville, Sears Point, and Watkins Glen from my comments about brakes and oversteer. Those are manly tracks.
I still think Nigel Mansell would be great in NASCAR. He was simply a NATURAL on ovals. His dice with Paul Tracy at Loudon in 1993 was one of the greatest races I have ever seen.
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I like the Super Modified cars. Open wheels and injected big blocks. At Pheonix their track times are as fast as the Indy cars. I wish Can Am would come back with the big winged, injected, dual overhead cam big blocks. That was racing! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Jimdandy, at the Monterey Historics there is a Can Am race once every 2 or 3 years. One time we had George Follmer, Chris Amon, and Denny Hulme in one race. Big block McLarens and the 1100 hp turbo Porsche 917/30 woohoo!
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No, NASCAR can't be WWII because there were at least some parts on those cars that were designed after 1950
OUCH!
Mk
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Racing is racing. What you race on(or with) doesn't matter. And if you think NASCAR drivers are beer-bellied rednecks, you don't know anything about NASCAR.
Cabby
Former professional racing motorcyclist and stock car driver.
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"The Jungle Air Force"
Welcome To The Jungle!!!"
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cabby I know what NASCAR is about. I can say I was on Chad Littles team for a day. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) I have a friend who is well know for building some of the finest stock chassises in the Northwest. Just blow it off.
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Hey guys, you know what? I really don't think these guys are honestly making fun of NASCAR.
Well...I take that back. They're making fun of it, so honestly it's occuring, but I doubt that the way these fellas have expressed themselves leads me to believe that they mean it in HONEST disrespect.
It's just that from that perspective, 89% European, it's just that it's an easy target.
Now for the fun: Someone who knows my love of NASCAR, but isn't really a fan, asked me who is going to win the Daytona 500.
I told him, "Y'know...I really don't know. Because for the first time in a coon's age, Dodge is now a participant again the in the festivities called Winston Cup. Dodge has made quite a presence, even might have been sand-bagging during rehearsals, and their ability to surive and thrive in the draft is unproven. Although at first glance, they certainly seem competitive.
That, coupled with the new roof-spoilers, blows this whole thing wide open, and I kind of agree with all the experts, journalists, and participants, that this may be one of the most exciting Daytonas we've seen in quite a while.
I'm glad I scheduled the day off, and I just came home tonight with a real prize from the local liquor store.
A couple weeks ago I told the guy behind the register how much it would mean to me if I got to take home the almost-full-size Rusty Wallace cardboard stand-up advertising display.
They called me today, and told me it was mine. He's standing in my dining room as we speak.
On Sunday, Kenny Schrader's old Budweiser promo stand-up will be beside him in my living room, as I enjoy some friends over to watch the race, while my 16 year old daughter herds her friends out the back door so they don't have to see her old man acting like a weirdo! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
So let's not take these h'yar high-fa-lootin' comments too seriously, or don't think that they truly realize that it is in fact, good racin'. Let's all have fun, hope for a good, clean race, and see what the new Dodge-Ford-Chevrolet triumverant will accomplish just one day and a few hours away from now.
Long live racing, the folks who compete in it, and the folks who live and die with their heroes.
Hopefully, as has been the trend in the past, we'll be able to live with our heroes in ALL types of racing, instead of mourning their passings.
Viva la safety restrictions, and viva la competitive racing, no matter what type!
<S!> to all those that put it on the line.
Mk
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Oh, and one last thing.
On one of Mario's web pages, he answed the question: What would you have been if you hadn't been a race car driver?
His answer?: A fighter pilot.
'Nuff said.
Mk
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Holy....damn MK10, excited about NASCAR or what?!
Racing is the toejam, I gotta agree there.
The Daytona 500 is my Superbowl when the Packers have a bad year that's for sure. And this year it's going to be wall to wall action, and finally televised proper. Fox has been doing a super job.
My first game ever online was Nascar2 on TEN, and for it's time, what a blast. You think whining in AH is bad? Plow into someone in the first corner on a 25% Dega race, oh man... 20 guys depending on the TEN's server for $2/hour with 28K modems. Oh the humanity!
I have already bought my controller for this year (usb) this time, and will be heading out to buy Nascar4 this weekend.
What I usually do is drive the track they are to race that weekend in the game, and then when you watch it on TV, it gives you a whole new perspective. I know Dale Jr. gives high praise to the Nascar software series for learning the tracks.
I dunno about F1 and all that. I never was into it, and have only gone to several Indy 500 time trials, which I believe is IRL. Those were pretty cool.
After going to Elkart Lake Wisconsin for a Road America CART race, I was really impressed with that. We got to do the full in pit / paddock deal with the Brian Herta / Bobby Rahal team as VIP's which helped in making it alot more fun. Got loads of pictures from the garage area if any CART fans would want to see them. Anyway, CART is exciting racing, but a bit computerised and stuffy for me.
Still, I took the tour of Texas motor Speedway in December, and after seeing the track, bought tickets to the Texas 600 CART race in April. They are just going to explode at that track. I hope no one is killed.
Btw, the bus driver when driving you around the track showed us where Jeff Gordon always crashes in turn 4... NAscar don't have and G forces my ass, I bet that little toejam pulled 20 hitting that wall!
Racing is just plain great, but prefer NAscar all the way.
Sunday's pick to win- you heard it here first-
TONY STEWART
Who I want to win -
DAVE MARCIS,heh
Who has a real good chance-
Dale E., Dale Jr., and maybe Jeff Burton
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I have already bought my controller for this year (usb) this time, and will be heading out to buy Nascar4 this weekend.
I'll be in line right behind you.
AKDejaVu
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Already have NASCAR 4. It freakin' rocks.
Cabby
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Welcome To The Jungle!!!"
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Originally posted by cabby:
Already have NASCAR 4. It freakin' rocks.
I didn't expected fewer from Papy, the Racing-Sim Gods (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Nascar4 is great!
Gh0stFT
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I wasn't too excited about getting NASCAR 4 until I heard it was based on the GPL physics engine. I'm off today to get it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
AKDejaVu
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When is the last time one of those go-cart drivers won IROC? And don't say the Nascar boys can't do open wheel, because most of them have done it at some level before they went with fenders.
They are both good, but Nascar gives more action, at least on TV. I've been to both in person and the Nascar is by far the most fun, if for no other reason than you see most of the track from your seat.
Of course, when you are in the infield, drunker than cooter brown on top of the motor home, who gives a damn(I usually go inside and watch it on satellite).
(http://lizking.com/uptop.jpg)
More:
http://lizking.com/race.htm (http://lizking.com/race.html)
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Ah Gadfly... IROC.. the race where they race in NASCAR type cars... and Indy racers still win (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Ovals:
(http://www.dbstaines.com/images/IROC_O.gif)
Road Courses:
(http://www.dbstaines.com/images/IROC_R.gif)
The top two oval racers were NASCAR drivers. Neither won a single road course race.
Maybe F1 drivers would have a hard time adjusting and competing in NASCAR. But I'd have a tendancy to say that the reverse is exponentially true.
Of course, that doesn't mean that F1 drivers aren't little mamby pamby girls (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
AKDejaVu
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IROC LOL!
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Alright gents...let's have it.
Who's going to win tomorrow?
My pick: I have no freakin' idea. It all depends on how the Dodges do, how they work in the draft, if they work together, is Dale Jr. going to work with Tony Stewart, can Mark Martin drive a car and feel competitive with "Viagra" on the side, will Rusty blow up another superspeedway engine by running 3-400 revs more on average than any other driver, what will Brooke be wearing, and how many people will work with Dale Sr., and for how long?
Film at 11pm tomorrow.
And my new slogan for promoting this type of racing:
NASCAR. Not Just For Rednecks Anymore.
Mk
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That is why Nascar is so good. There are 43 cars and about 30 could actually win it.
My bet is Stewart, Jr or Burton.