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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: AKWarp on August 19, 2006, 07:01:04 PM
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Last night someone (who shall go unnamed) was crying about not getting a 6 call.
Everyone was throwing in their .02 worth, so I gave my opinion...and that is, a 6 call is a luxury. It's no one's job to watch your butt except your own. Try to give them, but ya know, if you get in a position that you need everyone else to bail you out, it's your own fault.
Anyway, this person got out of shape over it and told me I wasn't welcome on a channel he flies in. Too bad it isn't his channel..anyway, he went to the bish side after having his fit.
Why do we seem to have all these crybabies all of a sudden? It's a game, sheesh. We all get angry or upset sometimes, but going that far is a bit much, eh?
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Originally posted by AKWarp
Why do we seem to have all these crybabies all of a sudden? It's a game, sheesh.
whadda ya mean all of a sudden, been going on forever.
Don't you know yet your 14.95 includes babysitting duty.
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This game has more supposed 14 year olds who turn out to really be 30+ year olds then you'll ever run into anywhere else.
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These things go much better with a name. I tend to get irrate if I'm startled by unfriendly cannon fire, look behind and see friendlies using me as bait...not saying thats you though.
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Originally posted by AKWarp
We all get angry or upset sometimes, but going that far is a bit much, eh?
Who got me? and who does upset fly for, bish or knit? :furious :cry
:rofl :rofl
I think it was HONDO who said "check6's are like lil free gifts"
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Love doesn't make the world go round; stupid does. That's why the days are so much shorter in AH.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Love doesn't make the world go round; stupid does. That's why the days are so much shorter in AH.
:rofl
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Love doesn't make the world go round; stupid does. That's why the days are so much shorter in AH.
See the MiniD quote in sig. :D
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Gee thanks warp...now we gotta listen to him:(
shamus
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Originally posted by Angry Samoan
Who got me? and who does upset fly for, bish or knit? :furious :cry
:rofl :rofl
I think it was HONDO who said "check6's are like lil free gifts"
Close Angry, I said
"Check 6's are a gift, not a responsability of others. Always great to get, but never expect them"
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its not my responsability but if im floating around lookin for somethin and see a con trailin one of my guys i press it and get into position, if one of ur guys is asleep at the wheel its hard to cap a base or defend, now imagine he is dead. Some communication keeps ur guys alive which will increase ur own chances, but if one of ur guys is num in the head and goes low into a high swarm theres nothin u can do. if everyone was enageed and this guy didnt get a 6 call hes *****in for nothin, but if theres 4 guys just floating around well a con came in and eats him its kinda messed up that he didnt get a six call, or better yet a guy hungry for the kill goin after the nme. All we noe is that he was *****in, we dont noe the situation he was in, regardless if all of us are fightin im pretty sure u all want 6 calls as well as info on incomin cons. 6 calls and play by play doesnt bother me, it keeps the guys around u awake(yes i noe i shouldnt have to wake them up but again, num in the head).
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Originally posted by AKWarp
Last night someone (who shall go unnamed) was crying about not getting a 6 call.
Everyone was throwing in their .02 worth, so I gave my opinion...and that is, a 6 call is a luxury. It's no one's job to watch your butt except your own. Try to give them, but ya know, if you get in a position that you need everyone else to bail you out, it's your own fault.
Anyway, this person got out of shape over it and told me I wasn't welcome on a channel he flies in. Too bad it isn't his channel..anyway, he went to the bish side after having his fit.
Why do we seem to have all these crybabies all of a sudden? It's a game, sheesh. We all get angry or upset sometimes, but going that far is a bit much, eh?
It's nothing new. There's always been whiners and they whine about the same things now as they did 15 years ago. It's not just check 6's, here's a brief list, feel free to add to it:
The Whiner's Playlist:
1) No Check 6's
2) Alt Monkies (anyone higher than them)
3) Ho'ers (when they lose)
4) Rammers (when they fail to pull off in time on HO attempt)
5) Porkers
6) Milkrunners
7) Stick Stirring
8) Plane X
9) Gang-bangers
10) Cherry Pickers
This game is about combat, and because it is a first person shooter basically, we tend to take that combat and the outcomes fairly personally, moreso than in most multi-player games. As a result emotions run high as does frustration levels. When a person is frustrated and emotional the first thing they want to do is vent, which often involves whining, this is healthy. Without this venting they let it build up, buy a semi-automatic rifle at Wal-Mart and open fire at a Luby Diner one day...So...It's all good...natural...healthy and the nature of the beast...
Zazen
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Okay, collisions can be a biatch, especiacly when the enemy loses a wing in a HO, and decides to ram you. But the check 6... ive complained a lot about it, because you can see your guy is in trouble. Whenever I see a guy, and i even think hes got a hostile behind him, I send a check 6, because hes on my side, and any kills help me too. If you see it, you should call it. Plain and simple. But if you dont see it thats okay. What i hate is when you get shot down because theres a friendly behind you, who wants you to keep focussing on the hostile your shooting, so the enemy whos chasing you, gives your guy an easy kill. Using a friendly as bait (Without telling him) is the most.... i dont even think theres a word this bad... you can do. My .02, call it if you see it. If you dont see it, not your problem.
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We all have had the situation where we have been used as "bait".
Ya get shot down and rather than take a deep breath ... some decide to flip out and go nuclear.
What they don't realize, and its been said a gagillion times ... your "6" is your responsibility every single second you are flying ... and after you are dead ... you get a new plane and get to do it all over again and again and again and again.
That is the beauty of this game ... you can play 24/7 if you so choose so why get a bent out of shape over 1 death whether it be any of the conditions that Zazen has pointed out above.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
We all have had the situation where we have been used as "bait".
Ya get shot down and rather than take a deep breath ... some decide to flip out and go nuclear.
What they don't realize, and its been said a gagillion times ... your "6" is your responsibility every single second you are flying ... and after you are dead ... you get a new plane and get to do it all over again and again and again and again.
That is the beauty of this game ... you can play 24/7 if you so choose so why get a bent out of shape over 1 death whether it be any of the conditions that Zazen has pointed out above.
I agree.....and me and SlapShot both have proof of this, as he kept dropping in on my six whilst I was target-fixated yesterday and shredding me in his FM2, lol
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Do what GETSOME did to a crybaby who cried about no check 6s. He checked 6 him for about 10 minutes straight and got everyone else on range to do it also so the whiner had a hell of a time squelchin all of us.
I still chuckle about it to this day.
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:rofl too funny...............
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.squelch triggerrr
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Originally posted by BMnot
.squelch triggerrr
Oooh, but his "superior rank" might deem the "Rear Admiral" useless. He's formally GUNS06 and AZREAL. He is fooling a number of Rooks, but not me. The voice is IDENTICAL.
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Didnt we just have a thing on check 6's in here.......:noid
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:rofl
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Originally posted by goldelks
Didnt we just have a thing on check 6's in here.......:noid
Yea bout once a month this topic rears its ugly head.
And about once a month people point out that 6 calls are a gift, not a requirement.
Im starting to think maybe HTC should remove the option of the check6 call altogether.
After all if its not there. people wont EXPECT to get a check 6
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Originally posted by Reynolds
If you see it, you should call it. Plain and simple.
As previously posted by others...Check 6 calls are a luxery and don't rely on others to do your SA for you...
ack-ack
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Another one that cracks me up:
Countryman gets on country channel and just spews on and on about how is unable to hold a base, take a base, LOSING THE WAR (OMG!) .. etc.
They talk as if they are not part of the country .. ie: can never take a base, they are ..on country channel.
It just goes on and on .. what a way to 'play' a game .. LOL.
I squelch Traveler and some others now as soon as I log on .. nothing they 'say' is worth hearin.
Then there's the kids who miss their dads ..and seek adult supervision.
(ie: Nuke raggin on Skuzzy .. -shakes head- .. nother one made the list)
-GE
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Yea bout once a month this topic rears its ugly head.
And about once a month people point out that 6 calls are a gift, not a requirement.
Agree so far . . .
Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Im starting to think maybe HTC should remove the option of the check6 call altogether.
After all if its not there. people wont EXPECT to get a check 6
Completely disagree. Unless you change the vox system so that everyone can talk on top of each other, the "PM 6 call" is necessary for anyone who enjoys a more "team play" style of game. At times you end up with someone in range who won't shuddup and take his finger off F12. You try to give someone a 6 call on range, it won't happen till this joker quits flapping his gums *AND* everyone else's message who tried to talk during his sermon is done running. And, no, squelch does not help in this situation because the other guy would have to have gum-flapper squelched too.
In general, I would say to the whiners need to evaluate their expectations. If you expect to play in a "team" atmosphere where everyone is watching everyone elses' back, then find a good squad. You can then expect your squaddies to help out when they see it. But if you are flying "lone wolf", don't expect those in your area to be the team-play sorts -- because even if they are, they will be watching their own team-mates more closely than you anyway.
I mean, for crying out loud, the war doesn't revolve around you . . .
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Originally posted by SlapShot
We all have had the situation where we have been used as "bait".
Ya get shot down and rather than take a deep breath ... some decide to flip out and go nuclear.
What they don't realize, and its been said a gagillion times ... your "6" is your responsibility every single second you are flying ... and after you are dead ... you get a new plane and get to do it all over again and again and again and again.
That is the beauty of this game ... you can play 24/7 if you so choose so why get a bent out of shape over 1 death whether it be any of the conditions that Zazen has pointed out above.
Yes, well than give me friendly fire. You use me as bait, I will up from whatever field you do, and blow your wings off every time I see you. No purpose to that, but to give em a reason not to fk with me again. 99% of the time, I have no problem being bait. I just want to know your using me. tell me "Hey, keep him straight and level a few more seconds, Ill get him for you" Ill stay straight! say "Break left", ill brake left! Just tell me theres a bad guy behind me, and you have a plan for him, ill do what he tells me to, and he is even more likely to get the kill.
And im not saying we should rely on others, but if you see it, call it. Othorwise you are just a lonely little bi*ch.
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I use my mic extensivly. I dont have time ussually to look down at my keyboard to find the chk 6 button. Also im not wasting a button on my joystick for one. I fugure if your REALLY requiring a 6 call the least you can do is get speakers or headset and be LISTENING for the 6 call.
When a up and comming crybaby whines about NOT receiving a 6 call I try to make it a point to use this demaning child as bait in future battles, wait till a enemy is on his unaware 6 and while the enemy is concentrating on that easy kill i move it and depending on my current mood ill either wait till the enemy has gotten his kill then i take my shot OR ill fire BEFORE the crybay is ummm totally shot down ie. on fire, pilot wound, wing gone, engine out, ect
All depends on my mood tho.
As was told to me in my early days the first 3 rules of dogfighting are:
1 SA
2 SA
3 SA
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
I use my mic extensivly. I dont have time ussually to look down at my keyboard to find the chk 6 button. Also im not wasting a button on my joystick for one. I fugure if your REALLY requiring a 6 call the least you can do is get speakers or headset and be LISTENING for the 6 call.
When a up and comming crybaby whines about NOT receiving a 6 call I try to make it a point to use this demaning child as bait in future battles, wait till a enemy is on his unaware 6 and while the enemy is concentrating on that easy kill i move it and depending on my current mood ill either wait till the enemy has gotten his kill then i take my shot OR ill fire BEFORE the crybay is ummm totally shot down ie. on fire, pilot wound, wing gone, engine out, ect
All depends on my mood tho.
As was told to me in my early days the first 3 rules of dogfighting are:
1 SA
2 SA
3 SA
See thats the thing i hate though! Im not saying you hve to press the button to check six. Say it on range! Make some noise that indicates an enemy on their six, and if you are going to bait them:
1) Tell them first
2) Let them know what you are doing
3) Kill the guy behind them, before your fellow countryman gets killed!
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I guess i should have been more excplicit. I use my mic on RANGE to "check 6" people 99% of the time.
unfortuantly they either arent listening, couldnt hear me over others yapping, or I got their name wrong somehow.
I DO give chk 6's to ppl I just do it over range.
You also have to consider the fact that in a fight involving more than just 1 on 1 if others are engaged there priority is to fight there fight, not look around and tell other ppl "hey check your 6"
personally i get kinda busy wether im attacking or defending and to date i havent found any opponents that will put "our" fight on hold so I can tell somebody that there is a bandit about to shoot his tail off.
:huh
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Im not saying to look around and watch others. Im saying if you are following the guy and you see a friendly pass by next to you with an enemy behind him, just press 'T' and say "You got one up your arse". Thats all you have to do.
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Originally posted by Reynolds
Yes, well than give me friendly fire. You use me as bait, I will up from whatever field you do, and blow your wings off every time I see you. No purpose to that, but to give em a reason not to fk with me again. 99% of the time, I have no problem being bait. I just want to know your using me. tell me "Hey, keep him straight and level a few more seconds, Ill get him for you" Ill stay straight! say "Break left", ill brake left! Just tell me theres a bad guy behind me, and you have a plan for him, ill do what he tells me to, and he is even more likely to get the kill.
And im not saying we should rely on others, but if you see it, call it. Othorwise you are just a lonely little bi*ch.
Yes, well than give me friendly fire. You use me as bait, I will up from whatever field you do, and blow your wings off every time I see you.
I didnt say that I use people as bait ... you wouldnt want to get into a pissin' contest with me if freindly fire was turned on.
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1 go around on this topic a month is good for me, always interesting how serious people take games. like everyone else in the past 5 million threads on this topic has said, 6 call is a gift. if someone gives me a 6 call, i will return the favor if i get a chance. if they don't i'll be less inclined. doesn't really matter all that much at anyway.
most people end up as bait because they let themself be bait. should someone give you a 6? probably, but you should be aware of the situation you are in to begin with. in the MA it is easy, if you are on a plane, just assume 6 nme planes will be swooping in after about 3 seconds. if you are having problems with people sneaking up on ya, you just need to look back much more often or fix your views. don't fixate on targets.
all in all, its a game, just play and have fun.
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<----Loves waiting for the guy to blow up then kill the con of his or her 6.:D
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Oooh, but his "superior rank" might deem the "Rear Admiral" useless. He's formally GUNS06 and AZREAL. He is fooling a number of Rooks, but not me. The voice is IDENTICAL.
Agreed, Its him....
P.S. - AKWarp, you are ALWAYS welcome on our channel along with any of your crew :)
:aok
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Is it OK to reprimand those who are using you for bait? I.e. I'm flying along straight and level and an nme is slowly closing on my 6, 5 friendlies are chasing him and not one gives me a six call before I have to break. There is no excuse such as I didn't see him/you or I was to busy or whatever. This happens fairly frequently and I find it extremely annoying regardless of the whole check 6's are rights or privledge's debate.
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"Is it OK to reprimand those who are using you for bait? "
No. They're not making you do anything.
You're the dunce flying along fat, dumb and oblivious. In all probability they're simply too busy laughing thier arses off to send you a heads up of any kind.
If it was me near you I wouldn't waste my time giving you a heads up either as I figure you are either AFK, drunk or too stupid to read the radio buffer. After all you're obviously missing the enemy closing in while doing something else so what would make anyone think you'd see or hear a check six?
"This happens fairly frequently and I find it extremely annoying..."
Tuhhhhh_dah! And now you know why HTC added ground vehicles to the game. No need to rely on others for a check six. If you don't have any "SA" at 35mph on flat terrain then there's always a job for you in "tower control" or flying rescue PBY's if they ever get added!
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Originally posted by SAS_KID
<----Loves waiting for the guy to blow up then kill the con of his or her 6.:D
2nd!
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The need for a check 6, unless you are on a mission, is a result of YOUR OWN failure to obey the dictates of SA & ACM. The only time someone should lock on my 6 is THEIR superior use of ACM related to their skill & aircraft vs. my skill and aircraft. I feel anyone who gets a kill on me, save the occassional weird collision, earned the kill. The only check 6 I should ever expect is from my wingman.
-MI-
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Originally posted by Zazen13
It's nothing new. There's always been whiners and they whine about the same things now as they did 15 years ago. It's not just check 6's, here's a brief list, feel free to add to it:
The Whiner's Playlist:
1) No Check 6's
2) Alt Monkies (anyone higher than them)
3) Ho'ers (when they lose)
4) Rammers (when they fail to pull off in time on HO attempt)
5) Porkers
6) Milkrunners
7) Stick Stirring
8) Plane X
9) Gang-bangers
10) Cherry Pickers
This game is about combat, and because it is a first person shooter basically, we tend to take that combat and the outcomes fairly personally, moreso than in most multi-player games. As a result emotions run high as does frustration levels. When a person is frustrated and emotional the first thing they want to do is vent, which often involves whining, this is healthy. Without this venting they let it build up, buy a semi-automatic rifle at Wal-Mart and open fire at a Luby Diner one day...So...It's all good...natural...healthy and the nature of the beast...
Zazen
Excellent post Zaz. ~S~
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Originally posted by Zazen13
The Whiner's Playlist:
1) No Check 6's
2) Alt Monkies (anyone higher than them)
3) Ho'ers (when they lose)
4) Rammers (when they fail to pull off in time on HO attempt)
5) Porkers
6) Milkrunners
7) Stick Stirring
8) Plane X
9) Gang-bangers
10) Zazen, SHawk
Zazen
Zaz, I made a small correction to your otherwise very acurate list :D
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OK...how about a reality check (as in RL). In RL, check 6's are not a gift. It's everyone's responsibility to give not only check 6 calls but to also call "6 is clear", "break right" etc., i.e., it is the wingman's (wingman refers to all friendlies in an engagement) responsibility to make sure the other's six is clear because he has a better view particularly on the deep six where his buddy can't see very well. It's part of the SA that everyone harps on. Yes, each individual is also responsible for checking his own six (usually with a slight weave and belly checks) BUT he must also check his wingman. RL visual lookout doctrine also calls for each fighter to scan predominantly in the direction of his wingman so that he can maintain section integrity and also clear his wingman's six. While the numbers vary according to squadron and service doctrine, typically the guy on the right of the formation would be responsible for scanning from his 3 o'clock counter-clockwise to about 7 o'clock while the guy on the left would scan from 9 o'clock to 5 o'clock. You look "through" your wingman to scan in the distance and he does the same with you. So, you will probably do this scan 2 or 3 times for every time you check your own six. When engaged, the responsibility to check your own six obviously increases because your wingman will also be engaged (probably with another bandit) but heaven help the guy who lets his wingman be cornholed.
OK, that's RL and AH is different so let's relate this to AH. The consequences of poor mutual support are small...your buddy dies and re-ups. No big deal right? Nothing personal but I couldn't care less about a fellow countryman dieing per-se, what does bother me is that I lose mutual support. His death means I have one less friendly around and the odds of successfully achieving the mission decrease. A 1v4 is more than twice as hard as a 2v4 so it's in my best interest to do as much as I can to keep my wingman alive. It's just smart. This is the same complaint I have about kill stealing. I couldn't care less about the points, I always have more than I can spend but 5 guys following a bare flaming fuselage 10k feet to the ground while firing all the way down just wastes ammo and pisses away altitude for no reason. These guys are useless to me from a perspective of mutual support and is "un-smart".
We're never going to eliminate the "un-smart" things that people do but rather than beat someone up some constructive criticism would be more useful. Many new guys don't even realize that what they do impacts everyone else in the engagement. Primarily though, lead by example and always check other's sixes. I've found this serves to remind others to do the same much more effectively that *****ing about it.
Mace
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I have a list. Those who are NOT on it get one (or vox). I don't care if I get one or not. I'm usually listening to Pink Floyd, and am on the hats anyways.
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i have a "do not check 6" list as well.
right now there are 5 names on that list.
getting on the list is simple:
give me a derogatory comment to my ck6 call such as....
"duh"
"no kidding" (and not the surprized no kiddin)
ect and u make the list.
you can also get on the list by ranting on range channel about no ck6s
more than once.
i look at it this way.....u reap what u sow......
if u wanna act like a jerk to your countryman go ahead but dont
be surprized when they dont rush to your aid.
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Now, who wants a chocolate éclair?
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Originally posted by MINNOW
Agreed, Its him....
P.S. - AKWarp, you are ALWAYS welcome on our channel along with any of your crew :)
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Don't do it Warp, the Dude is a Bronco fan and will fill you with truths about how great they are all nite long. :D
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
Don't do it Warp, the Dude is a Bronco fan and will fill you with truths about how great they are all nite long. :D
Nah, I save that for country channel.......LMAO:aok :aok :aok
btw..... Did I say "GO BRONCOS" today???
Guess I just did...lol
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Wait if HTC took of check 6's how would u freak out the newbs when your sitting on there 6 shooting tracers right by there cockpit while giving them check 6's causing them to either 1 aurger 2 run like no other or 3 start yelling at you on range!!
:rofl :rofl
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Was in a big furball between 54 and 55 tonight for about 2 hours, and I gotta say I cant remember a better group of guys for communicating in quite some time, short, concise no whining, it was a real pleasure.
Salute Bishops!!!
shamus