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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Reynolds on August 20, 2006, 03:31:36 AM
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(http://www.303rdbg.com/art-styling-tampatornado1-S.jpg)
The YB-40 Gunship "Tampa Tornado" of the 303rd Bombardment Group, 359 Bombardment Squadron. And yes, it DID fly, and there were at least two built, 41-24341 (Known as XB-40) and 42-5736 (known as a YB-40). I know guys who already fly B17s as gunships, but that thing would ROCK!!! I know it doesnt look like it has too many more guns than the normal one, but that 3rd turret would be kick ass!!! Also note both waste guns are doubles.
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i would love to see this added! but i know it wont be coming till after CT
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This would be an interesting perk bomber but honestly...I could sit down and think of at least a dozen bombers that were more relevant to the AH era than the YB-40.
Good choice for eventual consideration imo!
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this had combat time?
I was reading this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-80, now this is somethin that we would never have but that i would REALLY want.
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Its not a bomber. As far as I know, it has absolutely no bomb capacity. It was designed to replace the need for fighter escorts, so if we got it, it would be like the A-20: There would be no formation option.
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Originally posted by bkbandit
this had combat time?
I was reading this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-80, now this is somethin that we would never have but that i would REALLY want.
Doesnt work. No article.
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these aircraft flew with the main formation but were slower and heavier then the noemal bombers.when the formation unloaded and went light the yb40 couldnt keep up with them.
the idea was not a suscess and was soon withdrawn
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well... yeah. But with how screwey AH modelling tends to be... naw, j/k, But i can garuntee it would be very popular. And in AH, bombers would gladly slow down, just for that extra cover. It would also add an interesting aspect to ETO scenarios, when we get big bomber formations. I can tell you monkeyme will definately fly one for the 303rd. Thats what he uses the B17 for anyway. this just gives him a bigger gun! :D
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Furthermore, if having 3 bombers(with how many guns firing in tandom?) isn't enough for you, then you are hopeless. I could see this being considered if you only got 1 bomber.
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Im not saying its super effective, but neither is the Ar-234. Its just plain FUN!!! When you go into Fighter Town, or to provide cover in Tank Town, you often end up with only one bomber left anyway after hard maneuvers. So why not just start with a dedicated gunship?If you angle it right, you can get 11, possibly 13 .50 callibre guns trianed on an enemy, as opposed to 6 or 8.
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Imagine 999000 with this tecnology:t
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Originally posted by Jebus
Imagine 999000 with this tecnology:t
:O
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See what i mean?!? :t
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i'm not very familiar with the yb-40, so is it me or does that thing look suspiciously like a b17?
just with an extra turret up top and the left and right guns were transformed from a single .50 cal to a double .50 cal
other than that i'm seeing no differeance at all other wut u said about it not abale to carry any bombs at all, and that it was slower when the bombers it escorted lightened up, also if this was the problem could they have given it more powerful engines? or was engine technology too limited at the time? but i suppose if they could give this vb40 more powerful engines then u could reason that they could just as well give the regular bombers faster engines thus resulting in sum sort of paradox where the yb40 would nvr be fast enough to keep with reg. bombers after they lightened up.
my head hurts :rolleyes:
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It WAS a B17. But it came out of the factory like that. And it has quite a few more guns, and more ammo. I doint think it carries bombs, because i have only heard it mentioned as an escort, and not a participating member of the attack.
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kinda funny, some time ago i suggested this very thing, the idea was shot down in flames. oh well.
anyhoo, the point isnt that it has more guns, its that it has more ammo per gun than the standard B-17.
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Yeah, and about 6 more guns to use it! Its not the ammo. The number of guns is amazing! w00t! (And you suggested the YB-40?)
Also, conviniently enough, the best side picture is of a 303rd YB-40, also coincidentally of the 359BS, soooo....... My squad would have a skin as soon as it was put in!
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Originally posted by Reynolds
Doesnt work. No article.
Take the comma off the end of the URL. :rolleyes:
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now I believe Rey was referring to myself or Monkeyme when he mentioned guys who already use 17s as gunships, and as a gunship pilot I'm drooling over something like this....and while purpose-built gunships would be very useful, we don't really need them that much....give me my p-40n and my p-61 you sorry punks! lol
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Originally posted by Reynolds
Yeah, and about 6 more guns to use it! Its not the ammo. The number of guns is amazing! w00t! (And you suggested the YB-40?)
well it would only matter if HTC allowed it to be used in formations.
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OKay. Heres what I know off the top of my head:
More ammo. No bombs. Entered combat, but never with the 303rd, although the 303rd has 3 of them, they received them so late in the war, they were not flown in combat, however, those specific 3 served in combat with other groups in the ETO.
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I posted this one a while back
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=147033&highlight=yb40 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=147033&highlight=yb40)
Originally posted by mussie
YB-40 Flying Fortress Heavy Escort
The aircraft differed from the standard B-17 in that a second dorsal turret was installed between the top turret and the waist guns; and the single 0.50-calibre (12.7 mm) machine gun at each waist station was replaced by a pair of 0.5-calibre (12.7 mm) guns. In addition, the bombardier's equipment was replaced with two 0.50-calibre (12.7 mm) machine guns in a 'chin' turret to augment the existing 'cheek' machine guns, and the bomb bay itself was converted to a magazine.
The concept was twofold. First, the YB-40 would provide a heavily-gunned escort capable of accompanying the bombers all the way to the target and back.
Second, they were used as decoys; a YB-40 would leave the bomber stream with one engine feathered, apparently in distress. Enemy fighters would close for the kill and discover that the 'cripple' was nothing of the kind.
The aircraft was used with some success in the Mediterranean Theater of Operations, but was overall a failure because it could not keep up with standard B-17Fs once they had dropped bombs. It was withdrawn from service after less than ten missions. Some 25 were built. Operational units were stationed with the 92nd Bomb Group (H) at their base in Poddington, England.
http://www.327th.org/327th-org/Greg/yb-40.htm
http://www.answers.com/topic/yb-40-flying-fortress
It was a failed project but never the less pretty cool IMHO
Later :aok
THere was also a B-24 version XB-41 ?
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(http://www.327th.org/327th-org/Greg/XB40.JPG)
Heres a pic from http://www.327th.org
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You forgot the 303rd had them too!
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XB41 at Wikki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XB-41)
The Consolidated XB-41 Liberator was a single Consolidated B-24D Liberator bomber, serial 41-11822, which was modified for the long-range escort role for U.S. Eighth Air Force bombing missions over Europe. Outfitted with fourteen .50 caliber weapons, paired in two upper turrets, nose, tail and ventral turrets plus a pair at each waist window, the XB-41 carried 11,000 rounds of ammunition, stored in the bomb bay. It was powered by four 1,250 h.p. Pratt & Whitney R-1830-43 Twin Wasp radial engines. It received limited testing but stability problems, coupled with the unsatisfactory performance of similarly-converted YB-40 gunships derived from the B-17 Flying Fortress in actual operations, led to no further conversions of the Liberator as gunships. The XB-41 was never flown operationally.
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I like the concept of a gunship though. And it wouldnt be too hard to model. Just edit a few things on the 17G file.