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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Dichotomy on August 20, 2006, 10:07:16 PM
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Is it possible to request that a kill be deleted from your score?
Tonight I was flying in the MA with some squaddies and a variety of other Knights. Had a bead on an enemy and somebody else chopped his wings off right as I pulled the trigger. It should have been his kill but it got added to my score. A couple of weeks ago while doing some close ACM I collided with an enemy, flew away unscathed, and got the kill for it.
I don't really pay attention to my score other than to see if Im improving but I was wondering if there was a way to tell you that I shouldn't get credit for doing something that I really didn't do.
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For christams sakes ... dont you have anything else in life to worry about more than if you by happens chances got a kill ... geeesh I just cant figure how some people take this game so seriously.
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If you got the kill.....don't worry about it. A kill's a kill.
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Wow :huh
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Originally posted by SlapShot
For christams sakes ... dont you have anything else in life to worry about more than if you by happens chances got a kill ... geeesh I just cant figure how some people take this game so seriously.
Yet...
You seem to take the boards so seriously.
Hmmm...
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WOW, ussually we hear from the other side of that particular fence, this is the first time I have read/heard of someone wanting to give back the kill they stole
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no I'm not at all concerned with my kill ratio. I do check it to see how I'm doing and if I'm improving or not. As I've said in a previous post I'm competing against me and I'd like to see my skill set improve but cheap kills or kill 'stealing' do not interest me and I'd like the ability to say 'nope not my kill'. Sure a lot of people wouldn't utilize it because they care way too much about their score but I'd like mine to be honest when I check it and have the ability to say 'the dude was dead I just happened to ping him on the way down'. Do I take the game seriously? Yes in the way I play it. Do I take honesty and honor seriously? Yes I do. If that makes me weird then I embrace weirdness. Honesty, honor, and playing fair means something to me. Even in an online game. If you can't do it online then give it up in real life.
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pay it forward.
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
WOW, ussually we hear from the other side of that particular fence, this is the first time I have read/heard of someone wanting to give back the kill they stole
I shot somebody on the way down. It was a split second decision and I thought he was fair game until I pingd him then I checked my score and got credit for it. *shrug* I didn't do the work I don't deserve the credit.
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Originally posted by JB88
pay it forward.
indeed :)
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Originally posted by SlapShot
For christams sakes ... dont you have anything else in life to worry about more than if you by happens chances got a kill ... geeesh I just cant figure how some people take this game so seriously.
by the way slap.. I have a lot to be concerned about. However if I don't follow a code of ethics online and off how can I raise my kids to have a code of ethics that they can believe in? I don't drop my morals and codes when I put my headset on and fire up AH.
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Well, far as i know there is no way to alter your score or stats other than doing it ingame by killing, dying ect.
Only way I an see to keep an acurate record like your wanting is to record them yourself. Since its just to see how your doing for yourself and setting goals or something then, thats probably the only way.
I seriously doubt HT is going to let ppl change things on the score page even if its to remove proxies or unearned kills. Just to much of a chance for it to be abused.
It would be nice if it listed real kills and proxie kills seperatly. unless it already does then sorry for not seeing it. I havent looked at the scores page in ages.
The way I determine how well im doing is how well I do on a given sortie especially if its against a stick I know.
Your post doesnt make you weird, its just we arent used to seeing this kind of post and it kinda confuses us. Im still expecting somebody to post how you stole their kill and they want the kill credited to their score or some such farfetched demand :confused:
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lol. even Revor couldn't top this one. :)
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BK u always know how to make a thread interesting !!!
But Dichotomy all in all to the scoring system one kills isnt that big of deal. but i do give u a BIG you on ur honisty sir!!!!:aok very respectfull:aok :aok
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
by the way slap.. I have a lot to be concerned about. However if I don't follow a code of ethics online and off how can I raise my kids to have a code of ethics that they can believe in? I don't drop my morals and codes when I put my headset on and fire up AH.
hey dont worry about it dich, nobody likes slapshot, thats why hes so angry
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Same thing happened to me tonight kind of .This guy was all over my 6 and somebody was helping to save me. I cant remember who was helping me but he kept saying to me on the on the radio, "I hit him I hit him". But he never went down. Then finally I got 1 little lick in and I got the kill. Makes no sense. Guy helps me out and I get the kill. Not fair. I wanted my countryman to get the kill for helping. And he was bumming real bad all that help he gave me and I got the kill. Dangit.
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ethics + games that emulate the wholesale slaughter of thousands of people = suck.
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I would like all "questionable" kills that are removed from someones stats to be added to mine please. Your help in my knocking SHawk out of #1 is appreciated. :aok
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
by the way slap.. I have a lot to be concerned about. However if I don't follow a code of ethics online and off how can I raise my kids to have a code of ethics that they can believe in? I don't drop my morals and codes when I put my headset on and fire up AH.
with morals and codes like, your childrens must be terrified to pick up that lucky penny on the ground.
2 weeks = diamond. if you catch my meaning.
;)
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Actually I hope you would take his kill from his score and give it to me, whom it belongs rightfully so.
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Wait for Karma Dichotomy, if i find when i don't get awarded a kill i rightfully made it seems by fate alone that i get a proxy soon after to make up for it, absolutely amazing. :eek: :D
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Dichtotomy... why does the 332nd have all the good guys?!? I aplaud you man.
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Originally posted by bagrat
hey dont worry about it dich, nobody likes slapshot, thats why hes so angry
This is true, I can honestly say I don't like him. He doesn't fly like a noble knight of the sky should... with honor!:mad:
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
ethics + games that emulate the wholesale slaughter of thousands of people = suck.
Dichotomy, congratulations sir!
It takes most new folks months to years to get that kind of responce from a BK.
Yes I think you'll work out quite nicely!
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Originally posted by goldelks
BK u always know how to make a thread interesting !!!
Oh the hypocrisy.
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Originally posted by Reynolds
Dichtotomy... why does the 332nd have all the good guys?!? I aplaud you man.
Thank you and everyone else.
I think we have a lot of good guys because Daddog and the rest of the older members are good leaders, are good people, and set a great example for us newer guys to emulate :)
"2 weeks = diamond. if you catch my meaning." :D
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Originally posted by Slash27
I would like all "questionable" kills that are removed from someones stats to be added to mine please. Your help in my knocking SHawk out of #1 is appreciated. :aok
Damnit. I knew you'd beat to it!:furious
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Wow the fish are biting today! Strange, considering that the bait is so foul-smelling.
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got a proxie couple of days ago. i was giddy for many seconds.
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glad i read this thread ...
it cured my insomnia
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Originally posted by JB88
with morals and codes like, your childrens must be terrified to pick up that lucky penny on the ground.
;)
Chill, people.
The guy isnt screaming, and he's not laying awake in bed shivering in fear of supernatural punishment. He's not obsessing over it, and he's no pressure cooker waiting to blow up. I know him, and I 'm certain this is not a troll...no bait involved.
He asked if he could give back what he felt he didnt earn. He ASKED, that's it. If the answer's no, it cant be fixed, then he's gunna say "Fine, no big deal."
It's called integrity. It may seem odd in modern culture, but that says more about the culture than it does about Dichotomy.
And if you honestly think he's weird, then it says something about you.
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Originally posted by Simaril
And if you honestly think he's weird, then it says something about you.
Well, to be honest, yeah, I do think that shooting down a plane and requesting that the kill be gifted to someone else is a bit odd, but this is probably the fault of this awful wargame which encourages you to kill others, and rewards you for doing so.
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Originally posted by Simaril
It's called integrity.
No, it's not. I'm sorry Sim, I respect ya man but you got this one wrong.
Integrity would be saying "wow, I'm really sorry man I'll set you up for the next one to make up for it" or doing something else to the guy you allegedly stole the kill from.
This is attention whoring. There's no other reason to post such an obvious post. Yes it's one thing to set a good example. Then it's another thing to go too far. One might set the good example to be kind to animals, but one need not pray to God at night for forgiveness for stepping on 3 ants, 1 spider, and swatting 1 fly during the course of the day..
If he's trying to make a post telling people not to steal kills, that's one thing. Hiding it thusly inside an "innocent request" is just trolling. (that is, IF he was trying to make a post like that)
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to be read in an al swearengen voice.
well. i wouldnt say that i am going overboard in my expression of awed
curiousity over the application of such moral dilema over something so cursory as a misappropriated kill in the bush leagues.
were we speaking of those brave men fighting for the top spot or even the first 20 and i would be tipping my hat to the gentleman for his honorable mention of said extra...and i would beg for forgiveness where it might make a mouse fart of a difference as opposed to such instances where it seems hardly cause for an extravaganza which precludes such timeless queries as assisted suicide or the death of one to save the whole of humanity.
its the moral turptitude and righteous managling that worries me for his children, as in my minds eye i see them shaking like tiny leaves at the slightest inequality in the fabric of thier daily lives.
perhaps that's just because i am a bit dramatic and tend to express myself using colorful metaphors and the like.
so by all means sir, feel free to ruminesce about the degrees of fairity in la la land while your poor children, bless thier hearts seek refuge with thier mother in the kitchen whilst you while away your age on this heck forsaken contraption.
further, i say that to you who would seek to disrepute my theatrical but true appraisal of the matter...
avoid the o'club at all costs.
it's dog eat dog and moral pronouncements are what we call a bone.
:D
filed with love and a slap of cheap cologne i remain, sincerly yours,
88
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:huh Umm.........yea.......it's a game.
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
no I'm not at all concerned with my kill ratio. I do check it to see how I'm doing and if I'm improving or not. As I've said in a previous post I'm competing against me and I'd like to see my skill set improve but cheap kills or kill 'stealing' do not interest me and I'd like the ability to say 'nope not my kill'. Sure a lot of people wouldn't utilize it because they care way too much about their score but I'd like mine to be honest when I check it and have the ability to say 'the dude was dead I just happened to ping him on the way down'. Do I take the game seriously? Yes in the way I play it. Do I take honesty and honor seriously? Yes I do. If that makes me weird then I embrace weirdness. Honesty, honor, and playing fair means something to me. Even in an online game. If you can't do it online then give it up in real life.
:aok
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Originally posted by Krusty
One might set the good example to be kind to animals, but one need not pray to God at night for forgiveness for stepping on 3 ants, 1 spider, and swatting 1 fly during the course of the day..
Some religions require just that!:aok
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Originally posted by nirvana
If you got the kill.....don't worry about it. A kill's a kill.
DG and myself made 6 planes auger while they were chasing us through the trees..... you know what we did?
This-----> :huh
And then----->:rofl
Like you said, a kill is a kill.... people are too serious about this game. Next thing you know some clown will post about having hurt feelings for shooting down a goon! :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Krusty
If he's trying to make a post telling people not to steal kills, that's one thing. Hiding it thusly inside an "innocent request" is just trolling. (that is, IF he was trying to make a post like that)
no Krusty you have it wrong. Sim has it right. By the way I never troll and don't play internet board games. I've modded and admined way too many sites to annoy people with that kind of behavior. And by the way I did apologize on vox to the guy I think should have gotten the kill. Now I'm not saying nor do I expect everybody to be like me or play like me that would make the world and this game extremely boring.
It was an honest question to which I've received a response. So, the next time I see the guy I stole the kill from, I'll try to wing up with him and help him get a couple or at least keep the flies off his back for a little while. If you look at my very laughable stats you'll understand why my score doesn't mean much to me but I understand why they may be important to someone else. I was just attempting to the best of my ability to see if I could right what I perceived to be a wrong that I did. You will never see or hear me moan, whine, or gripe, about the way somebody else plays this game including stealing my kills (ya my kills ha ha ho ho ;) ). I'm only responsible for my behavior in here and in the 'air'.
PS 88 :lol :aok
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At the risk of seeing the thread degenerate further towards the O Club...
Those of you who express "fear for the children" and talk about him stressing over "stepping on ants" are clearly guilty of stereotyping and prejudice (in the literal sense, "pre-judging").
He asked if he could give a kill back. PERIOD. You're right that this probably should have been an email, but he's a new guy...cut some slack there.
Most important, you know nothing of this man or how he lives. You dont know what he believes or what he tells his kids.
I have no idea if he's religious, or if he lives by the golden rule, or if he just says "do the right thing as you see it."
Neither do you. By acting as if you did, you're pre judging him and stereotyping him. I hope thats not the behavior in which you believe.
I'm out of this one now.....
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Thanks Sim
Trust me I understand the flak it's just internet stuff that goes on on every board that has any noticable activity. And everybody has the right to say what they want. Doesn't affect me any if it comes from someone I don't know on an interpersonal level.
For the record I am NOT Revor :lol
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Originally posted by Simaril
I'm out of this one now.....
oooooooh no you're not...
you can't just come terpsin' into this discussion, lobbing accusations of people lobbing accusations and expect to get away with it without so much as a swift kick to the febal gray matter that is that average aces high participant.
oh no.
you are still in it. deeper than you'd like to be i gather by your lofty diatribe turned lazzais faire conversationalism.
that's right.
your deep in the doo doo mister and with that, i lob my own accusation and stereo type, thrice removed and lay claim that you sir are just a much a lobber of stereo types and accusations as the rest of us garden variety miscreates.
you just dont know it yet.
but we love you none the less.
:)
88
p.s. - glad you liked it dichotomy, just for you man.
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In my defense:
1) I never made a stereotype. I gave an example. I have no idea if he is religious and prays over squashed bugs -- it was an extreme example, and not to be used as a reference to anybody's religion.
2) Sure you just asked a question, but something in the way you posted had the feeling of a troll. It's not that it was trolling, it was... how do I describe it? Not tongue in cheek... but more ... "preachy" almost. It could be that I'm mistaken. There seemed to almost be an insincere quality to it.
Seeing as this was probably not a troll I do retract my earlier comment about bait. Hopefully no hard feelings, Dichotomy.
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none taken Krusty... you're a goodstrong in my book :aok
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i have a case of man-love for al swearenger.:D
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Originally posted by rshubert
Yet...
You seem to take the boards so seriously.
Hmmm...
Someone let you out from under your rock to stalk me eh ?
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Think what you want. Dicho is, if nothing else, sincere.
I know it was an honest, (if naive) request. Most of us would not have given it a 2nd thought, but he is new to the community and to the game. I doubt HTC would want to be bothered with changing scores over things like that.
No harm in asking Dicho. :)
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
by the way slap.. I have a lot to be concerned about. However if I don't follow a code of ethics online and off how can I raise my kids to have a code of ethics that they can believe in? I don't drop my morals and codes when I put my headset on and fire up AH.
Nobody, myself included, is asking you to put aside your morals and codes ... I just find it odd that one need to come onto a BBS and present such a "dilemma".
Ya shot the guys kill ... it happens ... I did it the other night too. I apologized to the other guy ... he said it was cool and thats where it ended. I found no need to come onto the BBS and publicly ask HT and Co. to take a kill from me. In the schema of life ... that kill doesn't even register on any scale ... moral or ethical.
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oh trust me dude it didn't ruin my night. I didn't sit up and worry about it I was just curious if it could be done. I did feel bad for the guy whose kill I grabbed. He might be playing for perks and that might have been the one plane he needed to get his goal. Like you said a kill is a kill and so forth and don't think I'm questioning anybodys morals or ethics and if that's the way I came across that was not my intent. I play the game my way by rules that I set for myself. You may play it differently and that's cool too. As I believe I have said if everybody played the same way and had the same thought processes this place would get boring in about a week. The thing that keeps it challenging from what I've seen is you can be in a situation where you think X is going to happen and wind up getting your tail shot off because Z happened.
But yes I do teach my kids to play by rules of sportsmanship etc even when it's just to see who can swim the pool fastest. Congratulate the winner or the loser and call their own fouls on the basketball court. I do the same in this sim. It's just me ya know?
Now I have to go beat my child with a 2 X 4 for picking up that penny. ;)
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Dicho, you are too innocent and pure for this world. ;)
Don't feel bad, I got yelled at last night by some guy who thought I was stealing his kill... it was almost the same time you were undeservedly catching flak as well.
I was on the con's 6 and couldn't see he was missing his tail, wasn't smoking or anything. As soon as he yelled on vox I broke off(and didn't get a kill or an assist either), but he continued to holler on vox for 5 minutes about killstealers. *shrug*
Some people forget it's a game... I'm glad to have ya as a squaddie, because you know what it's really about... fun.
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roger that..
and back atcha :aok
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Ever thought of switching to decaf?
:huh
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Originally posted by JB88
oooooooh no you're not...
.......snip........
your deep in the doo doo mister and with that, i lob my own accusation and stereo type, thrice removed and lay claim that you sir are just a much a lobber of stereo types and accusations as the rest of us garden variety miscreates.
you just dont know it yet.
..snip......
Yeah, you're right. My bad.
I reread what I posted, and the last one did come across a lot stronger than I meant it to.
Serves me right for hammering out a post in the middle of a busy work day.
No offense intended, and I hope none taken. 88 and Krusty!
Lemme try to share what I had in mind a better way.
The only way "pressure" can be part of morality is if we think of morals as external rules that restrict us from doing and being who we really are. Truth is, there are tons of people out there who live this way, trying to do good and to be good to make somebody else (there peers or their god) think good things about them. The guys who make beiief look bad (often when hypocrisy is revealed) come from this group, by and large.
I believe that kind of morality is pretty close to worthless in the eyes of God. He sees who we are on the inside, and says that the reality INside is the only part he cares about.
The other kind of morality comes when the person is changed inside, and their "morals" are just an expression of who they are. They couldnt cheat on their taxes, or clean out the wallet they found before returning it, because its just not in them to do it....it would be a self contradiction. As a modern example, think about Mother Theresa...you could tell she lived that way because that's who she was, not because she was putting "gunna make a diamond" pressure on herself all her life.
And knowing this new guy Dichotomy, I saw his post as nothing more than asking how to return the wallet. If there's no way to find who owns it, he'll be OK with figuring out what to do with the windfall...without a pressure filled core of guilt. His kids will come out fine, I'm sure.
Anyway, sorry again for coming on too strong.
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Simaril sir, with all respect, you were right on the money.
You saw an innocent post from an friend who is quite new to AH and stood up for him. Stand by your guns, the attack was overdone, but your responce was right on the money. well done sir.
Dichotomy, if I might make a small suggestion?
When in doubt, as the squadies first. Then if no one has an answer bring it to here. Fact of the matter is all too many people here are from the wrong side of the tracks. They don't play fair, and there is NO mercy.
Krusty, if there is an attention potato around here its you sir.
Might I suggest you take a valium, some outside air & a big chill pill.
Its getting so I dump out of any thread I see your avatar in. Because it always comes down to this kind of a cat fight. Shame on you sir.
Reynolds, 332nd has good pilots because we LOOK for good pilots.
Because Daddog sets an example very very few are big enough to follow.
In the almost 6 years of flying AH I can number the pilots with his kind of class on one hand. The good one's that we find that are not already taken we scoop up. Maybe you should join us?
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Krusty, if there is an attention potato around here its you sir.
Might I suggest you take a valium, some outside air & a big chill pill.
Its getting so I dump out of any thread I see your avatar in. Because it always comes down to this kind of a cat fight. Shame on you sir.
Strange... since... well.. this is one of the FEW times I have ever made a post about smelling stinky bait, EVER.
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off topic but...
everytime I see Krusty in flight or his name in text buffer I bust out laughing because I picture his avatar sitting in the cockpit of a plane!
it just kills me, everytime!:rolleyes:
back on topic,... ya I apparently took Dicho's post the wrong way at first too
sorry Dicho .. weird how different people took the same statement to mean different things .. hmmm
di·chot·o·my Audio pronunciation of "dichotomy" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-kt-m)
n. pl. di·chot·o·mies
1. Division into two usually contradictory parts or opinions: “the dichotomy of the one and the many” (Louis Auchincloss).
now thats kinda funny :lol