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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: hubsonfire on August 21, 2006, 09:30:08 AM
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With the discussions lately on ethics, morality, codes of conduct, and the unsavory nature of emulated warfare, it has occured to me that there is too much competition, too much heated emotion, too much... well, violence in the game.
My squad comes under a lot of fire for our attitudes, responses, outlook, standards, and personalities. It seems to me that this is not necessarily a fundamental flaw in our personalities (even though Ren and Ghost would have you believe otherwise), but a condition brought on by the constant cycle of violent confrontations which are a result of simulated combat over a period of years. All we know in the game is killing. Being killed, or killing others, the game has, to this point, been about nothing but fun and violence.
My concern now is that perhaps it's gone on too long. We've lost what little humanity we possessed, and it's a terrible price to pay. In an effort to offset, or maybe even reverse this effect, I have a suggestion that could make AH far less violent, and possibly help us all to become better people. This idea might strike some of you as revolutionary, perhaps absurd, while to others it will sound perfectly rational and natural.
In an effort to make AH a kinder, gentler game, I am going to make this one heartfelt request of the community; from this day forward, in an effort to show respect and courtesy to other players, a fundamental change in how you play the game. Do not ever, ever, ever leave the tower. Inside the tower, there are no weapons, no death, no destruction. If we do not leave the tower, we cannot HO, ram, shoot, bomb, kill, wound, or otherwise cause ill will among the community. We can not steal kills, fail to give 6 calls, lose SA, or do anything that could possibly bring any sort of harm to another player. Indeed, a Utopian world of war, where we can find out precisely what happens if they have a war and no one comes.
So, let's all park our grim tools of carnage, and, as they say, buy the world a Coke and learn to sing in perfect harmony. Who's with me?
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great Idea we can sit in the tower and have a war with words on channel 200 ! :aok
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HTC already packaged that as a stand-alone game. It's called mIRC.
:D
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how about c-47s being able to drop leaflets advising civilians to leave areas which are about to be targeted.sounds crazy but it worked great in southern lebanon.
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u r evil
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I see someone switched Hubs' pills again... This one has three pages written all over it :rolleyes:
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I'm completely serious. Wasn't it HiTech who pronounced that the point of the game is to piss the other guy off? He's been involved in these horrid wargames for considerably longer than I have, and look how far he's slipped. I shudder to think that we all face that same fate, and will possess that same black perspective.
Will we end simulated war, or will it end us?
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It doesn't really matter Hubs. Glen Beck said the world's coming to an end this week...either tomorrow or Thursday
In the immortal words of Rodey Dangerfield...
"Come on everyone, we're all gonna get l@id!"
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YES!!! YES!!!!
And instead of bullets, the "fighters" will be converted to shoot water.
And the "bombers" will drop flowers.
Tanks will fire blanks.
Ack will shoot fireworks.
And for anyone that uses foul language on range, or in the text buffer, a wrinkled old ladies arm will shoot through there monitor and a bar of that nasty brown soap with be forced down there throat.
:aok
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Hehe.
Only flaw in the "logic" is that AH is no more deadly than "sudden death" overtime.
Its a game, a computer sport with cartoon airplanes. Nobody dies, no violence or mahem.
We ARE more likely to demonstrate who we really are inside, though, since the adrenaline and the internet makes us more likely to let down our social masks.
Only a fair troll....above average bait, but you tipped the hand by overplaying it.
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Originally posted by 68Ripper
great Idea we can sit in the tower and have a war with words on channel 200 ! :aok
That's my bag!:aok
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Originally posted by Simaril
Hehe.
Only flaw in the "logic" is that AH is no more deadly than "sudden death" overtime.
Its a game, a computer sport with cartoon airplanes. Nobody dies, no violence or mahem.
We ARE more likely to demonstrate who we really are inside, though, since the adrenaline and the internet makes us more likely to let down our social masks.
Only a fair troll....above average bait, but you tipped the hand by overplaying it.
Concurr!:aok
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Yes, Hubs has the right idea.
Now all countries, lay down you arms, your war machines and if you do I promise that the Bish shall do so also. We will live in virtual peace from now into eternity.
Please do not be concerned for those Lancasters, b24s and b17, along with those numerous fighters flying over your countries. They are mearly observers checking for compliance with the peace accords, yeah that's it, observers.
C'mon, Give Peace a Chance!
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Hubs is right! :aok who knows how far this violence extends into our real lives.
Hitech could add humanitarian supplies for C-47s, M3s, and LVTs. We should also be able to select NATO/UN peacekeeping troops to drop in towns. This will only work if we get greater perk points for saving lives instead of taking lives.
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*sits in corner singing 'all we are saaayyyyyiiinnng is give peace a chance'
:lol Hubs
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(http://laki.dvhk.pl/beta/cutenews/data/emoticons/suicide.gif)
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We are getting ahead of ourselves, before we can have peace we have to enter into multi-lateral negotiations to set the terms of a ceasefire. After we have the ceasefire, then we can set up long term negotiations for a lasting peace.
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BORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRINGGGGGGGGGG GGGGGGGG................
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Originally posted by Grits
We are getting ahead of ourselves, before we can have peace we have to enter into multi-lateral negotiations to set the terms of a ceasefire. After we have the ceasefire, then we can set up long term negotiations for a lasting peace.
please count me in with the group that keeps screwing up the cease fire.
Viva La Resistance!
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
BORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG................
See ^? This is exactly the kind of negative thinking that causes all these bad vibes man. We should embrace our differences and share the sheep. :cool:
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As has been said by several people several times, how we act, what we say, what we do ingame reflects on the type of people we are in real life. As an example, I change countries, I steal kills, I don't give 6 calls, I HO and vulch. I make fun of children (usually those of other people), I taunt and mock. Someone suggested, quite accurately, that because of this, in the real world, I'm violent, abusive, disrespectful, and am nothing more than poor, white, trash. I'm stupid and lack any sense of values or decency.
If this is the case, and it obviously is, then how can we talk of ethics and codes of conduct when all we do is kill combatants and bomb civilians? How can we speak of morals and standards when we have none? Who among us has not committed murder in the name of the war effort? Who hasn't strafed houses in a town, or gunned down enemy troops transports or jeeps? Who hasn't demonstrated some behavior that is evil in the purest sense? Who hasn't killed simply for entertainment?
In an effort to bring myself up from the depths of inhumanity in which I dwell in the real world, I will no longer fire back at my enemies, I will not attack townsfolk as they go about their daily routines. I will not lob shells at bombers, I will not rejoice in the destruction and death which has become the norm in AH. I will aspire to become a role model and inspiration to all of those who realize, as I do, that there can be no separation, no distinction, between the game and real life. What we are, we do, we say, demonstrates who we are, both in the game and in life itself.
I ask those of you who are not so shallow, so hardened and cynical, so... fargone, to help me, to become shining beacons in the darkness of this horrible war, to light the path for others to follow. If by doing so, we can make the real world a better place, then we are fools not to.
Let the basest of animals continue to play the game as they do now. Let them reap what they have sown come judgement day. I am, from this moment on, a Keeper of the Light.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Inside the tower, there are no weapons, no death, no destruction. If we do not leave the tower, we cannot HO, ram, shoot, bomb, kill, wound, or otherwise cause ill will among the community. We can not steal kills, fail to give 6 calls, lose SA, or do anything that could possibly bring any sort of harm to another player.
Ah yes, but the ability to switch sides and steal a CV can still be conducted from the tower. :rofl
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you are not as good a troll as some of the other bk's hub... just sayin'.
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Grits we'll give you back the Black Knight's arms in exchange for all your ports. The legs will not be returned.
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Were're not really killing people so is it really violence ??:huh :huh
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This game helps me stop beating my wife :( :confused:
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It's simulated violence which can cause us to become tolerant of real violence. Next thing you know we're going to be mounting .50 cals on our cars and offing the guy that cuts you off in traffick then getting sideswiped by the guy in the next lane for stealing his kill. The vulchers, naturally, will not drive but strategically park on overpasses just shooting anybody as they drive by. Yes yes Hubs you are on to something here. Now let's all join hands and sing kum bye ya :lol
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Originally posted by LEADPIG
This game helps me stop beating my wife :( :confused:
what about the dog though?
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Well, if our behavior and our words are a direct reflection of who we are, then certainly our actions are as well, right? If what we say on the bbs dictates who we are, then don't our actions in the game speak volumes as well?
I had always thought that, for the most part, there was no direct link between the game and real life, but it has since been made clear to me that the opposite is true. That is to say, there is no difference at all between the two. If that's the case, then no case can be made for all this violence. It's awful and unnecessary, and only leads us to ruin.
And Donzo, what good is a CV if no one ups from it? What possible harm could come to others? A scenic 3 hour tour duringwhich we can all chat and exchange recipes for cheese souffle'?
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Have HT put up a map with just one redwood tree in the middle of a field. We'll all stand around it and see who can pee the highest on the tree...
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Originally posted by Krusty
Grits we'll give you back the Black Knight's arms in exchange for all your ports. The legs will not be returned.
'tis but a scratch.
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upon reading this thread i have one thing to say........................sh ud up ya homo!
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Our intrepid band of crusaders for the cause of ethics and morality didn't have much to contribute to this lil chat. No huge surprise, they're probably busy trying to find some other sort of exploit or workaround in the game.
I liked the bbs a little more when you all were a little more naive. Makes for dull mondays when you're all paranoid.
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Someone kick the chair from under hubs..... ;)
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You looking for a job at the UN???? This is the wrong place to post a resume Hub.:huh
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i love you hub. you have my fullest respect, you are indeed a great ambassador for this game.
god bless you.
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
It's simulated violence which can cause us to become tolerant of real violence. Next thing you know we're going to be mounting .50 cals on our cars and offing the guy that cuts you off in traffick then getting sideswiped by the guy in the next lane for stealing his kill. The vulchers, naturally, will not drive but strategically park on overpasses just shooting anybody as they drive by. Yes yes Hubs you are on to something here. Now let's all join hands and sing kum bye ya :lol
:lol Nice one Dicho.
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
this is the funniest post i've seen in ages, well, apart from the revor ones that is:lol
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kun ba yah. . . . . make love, not war . . . . .can't we all just get along . . . . gas, grass or prettythang - nobody rides for free . . . . give peace a chance . . . . .
blessed are the cheese (oops - peace) makers. . . . .
Kill 'em all - let God sort'em out! Who says I'm not confused!:confused:
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This is a great idea.
1) We could get perks for rebuilding bases. The one who has the most points rebuilding goes to the top ACE!
2) In stead of capturing bases, we could negotiate their "exchange"
3) Hostages!!! I want Hostages.
4) In stead of country only channels, we could use secret inter-country channels that allow "behind-the-scenes" deals.
5) Lets elect 50 Senators for each country. They can conduct "investigations"
6) I can't go on... I'm not getting any work done
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Hubs, I don't know what you are smoking, but I want some of it. :cool:
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particularly stinky bait on this one... bravo, hub
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Group hug?
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Too bad. Thought you has a perfect set-up for a second, then I have to agree with others, you let the opportunity slide by:
Instead of all sitting in the tower, you should have advocated everyone get together for a "peace flight" of C-47s. All pilots from all three countries would converge on tank town at 1000 feet. To simulate the dropping of flowers, each C-47 would carry troops to drop as the three nations, combined in peace and love, fly together in perfect harmony over what was once the ugly battleground of tank town . . .
Which is when you cue every BK in existance to spawn an osti and blast all them goons from the sky. . .
Could have been beautiful, man . . .
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You really need better bait than that hub.
Also the constant jiggle nervously waiting for that first nibble kinda gives it all away.
Go ahead, fly, fight, enjoy, just try to be half decent about it eh?
And for the record I never said what we do in AH reflects what we do in real life.
It "can" work the other way around at times though. Who we are in real life can certainly effect how we play AH.
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Originally posted by E25280
Too bad. Thought you has a perfect set-up for a second, then I have to agree with others, you let the opportunity slide by:
Instead of all sitting in the tower, you should have advocated everyone get together for a "peace flight" of C-47s. All pilots from all three countries would converge on tank town at 1000 feet. To simulate the dropping of flowers, each C-47 would carry troops to drop as the three nations, combined in peace and love, fly together in perfect harmony over what was once the ugly battleground of tank town . . .
Which is when you cue every BK in existance to spawn an osti and blast all them goons from the sky. . .
Could have been beautiful, man . . .
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Ghost, by halfway decent, do you mean I should refrain from calling people I don't know and have never met nor interacted with "white trash", or saying things like "they're from the wrong side of the tracks"?
If that's what you meant, perhaps you should take some of your own advice?
While I most definitely refuse to take the game as seriously as some people would like, and occasionally participate in little stunts purely for entertainment purposes, I try to avoid getting personal and attacking the actual person behind the keyboard. For the folks who view and treat the game in a similar manner to be personally attacked by others who don't share the same perspective... that just makes no sense at all.
Oh, and the goon thing would never have worked. No one would follow me out of a house on fire.
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Well the way most people fly or should I say Safety Dance in this game, there wouldn't be much difference if they did stay in the tower.:aok
And unfortunatly the BBs is getting almost as uneventful as the MA.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
No one would follow me out of a house on fire.
We would if you walked real slow and carried lots of bacon. :t
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Originally posted by mars01
Well the way most people fly or should I say Safety Dance in this game, there wouldn't be much difference if they did stay in the tower.:aok
And unfortunatly the BBs is getting almost as uneventful as the MA.
Did someone say
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/14/Men_without_hats-the_safety_dance_s.jpeg)
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263 posts and you are blaming us?
:confused:
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Ahh, the hanger feels so safe....
The safest place on earth.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Ghost, by halfway decent, do you mean I should refrain from calling people I don't know and have never met nor interacted with "white trash", or saying things like "they're from the wrong side of the tracks"?
If that's what you meant, perhaps you should take some of your own advice?
Question sir, when have you EVER heard me refer to anyone as "white trash"?
As to the wrong side of the tracks remark on the other thread. Well if the shoe fits.
While I most definitely refuse to take the game as seriously as some people would like, and occasionally participate in little stunts purely for entertainment purposes, I try to avoid getting personal and attacking the actual person behind the keyboard. For the folks who view and treat the game in a similar manner to be personally attacked by others who don't share the same perspective... that just makes no sense at all.
Hub I've never ever attacked you for not taking the game serious.
Thats your call, and I respect that.
Refusing to take people serious, well thats a judgement call.
No harm no foul. I don't think you can ever prove I've done either to you for that reason. As a matter of fact yes some people do take the game too serious.
"occasionally participate in little stunts purely for entertainment purposes"
This is the one that most often gets you in deep doo-doo hub admit it.
You do what you do when you do it because you enjoy the ***** storm that follows. I don't agree with it, I don't always like it, but thats my problem.
Your problem is its given you a certain reputation. And you don't always like it what that brush covers a bit more than you think you've deserved.
Some people see entertainment in a person kicking a dog.
I see someone that needs to have the tables turned.
If thats a problem, stop kicking the dog.
What you find entertaining is indeed your choice. But it also defines you.
And can make you a target in return.
You can't have it both ways. And thats what this thread is REALLY about.
Now you can lambast me all day long. But it doesn't change anything does it.
You'll still laugh at the man kicking the dog. And I'll still try to find ways to even the score. Both for the man that does the kicking, and the one that laughs.
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Originally posted by JB88
263 posts and you are blaming us?
:confused:
Put down the bong and slowly back away.
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i gotcher bong right here pal.
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Ghost, here's how it is. I say this:
While I most definitely refuse to take the game as seriously as some people would like, and occasionally participate in little stunts purely for entertainment purposes, I try to avoid getting personal and attacking the actual person behind the keyboard. For the folks who view and treat the game in a similar manner to be personally attacked by others who don't share the same perspective... that just makes no sense at all.
and you counter with:
Some people see entertainment in a person kicking a dog.
I see someone that needs to have the tables turned.
If thats a problem, stop kicking the dog.
What you find entertaining is indeed your choice. But it also defines you.
And can make you a target in return.
You can't have it both ways. And thats what this thread is REALLY about.
Now you can lambast me all day long. But it doesn't change anything does it.
You'll still laugh at the man kicking the dog. And I'll still try to find ways to even the score. Both for the man that does the kicking, and the one that laughs.
Let's see, I said I don't take the game too seriously, and that others don't, and that there is no need to hunt them down, harass them, insult and belittle them for not having your exact same perspective, and you turn that into "hub enjoys watching people beat animals", and then state that you feel it is your obligation to single me out of the entire community of thousands, and insult me, make deregatory remarks about me and my family, and that you feel justified in doing so because you don't like me?
:huh Um, I'm not seeing the logic in your posts.
Anyway, at least it's somewhat relevant to this thread. Your conduct in this thread is exactly the sort of behavior I'm saying has no place here. And that, my bitter little self-appointed nemesis, is really what this thread is about.
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Originally posted by wetrat
particularly stinky bait on this one... bravo, hub
Stinky aye, but many here are apparently suffering from nasal congestion this week.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Anyway, at least it's somewhat relevant to this thread. Your conduct in this thread is exactly the sort of behavior I'm saying has no place here. And that, my bitter little self-appointed nemesis, is really what this thread is about.
Actually this thread is about, in part, a thread I created and therefore partially directed at me so let's not get on the high horse there sir. You see there is a very real solution to the problem and it's easier on than in real life. In real life you should engage your brain prior to opening your mouth. In the online world you should engage your brain before typing but, lo and behold, you have the opportunity to read what little gems of wisdom you have just dispensed prior to hitting the submit button.
As you are sir an admitted bit of a pot stirrer I would say that you shouldn't be suprised when the criticism is directed towards you. In fact perhaps you should take a moment to consider the other persons point of view and, while you may not agree with them, give consideration to the fact that they see a situation differently.
Now for myself. The little trolls who like to make light of anyone who has the audacity to post on the holy Aces High board with a subject that you deem inferior to your status may say and do what you want. I've dealt with worse on internet boards where the members would send them home crying to mama and, frankly, unless it's REALLY amusing it's quite boring. If it's really amusing I generally laugh and send the poster a pm about it sharing the laugh. So far your efforts have really not been up to the amusing status. I could suggest some books if you like.
The bullies with what I like to call 'keyboard courage' that wouldn't have the cajones to say to another mans face what they just posted are merely the foamy scum at the corner of the great internet ocean and, while they are everywhere, are not really worth much thought or effort.
Now I know what you're thinking sir. I just called you scum. Nothing could be further from the truth. I did no such thing. I merely pointed out that people who typically engage in such behavior have that status from my point of view.
You may make up your own mind as to whether you fit into that category or not in my mind. I'm sure, however, that my perception of you is not important to your overall self esteem nor is yours of me or anyone I choose to associate myself with important to me.
I've categorized you based on my impression of you and you've categorized me based on your impression of me. In the big scheme of things it really means nothing.
Of course that's just my opinion..
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:huh
:noid
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Shaddup you :D
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
Actually this thread is about, in part, a thread I created and therefore partially directed at me so let's not get on the high horse there sir.
Your first statement is incorrect, sir. I hardly expect a relative noob to be familiar with the "unwritten code" of cartoon plane forums, and didn't actually consider that in composing this thread. See this thread where guys start squealing about our lack of ethics after their attempts to exploit a loophole in the game were thwarted (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=185297) as the final straw before this thread was started, and I'd direct you to a certain other thread, but it was removed from the forums altogether by our astute albeit clumsy Admin Extraordinaire.
The rest is just laughable. There is no need for anyone to get personal about a game. There is even less need for people to take this game so seriously that they harbor geniune animosity toward people they have never met, spoken with, or even interacted with in the game. <-The real point of the thread. Trust me guys, I started this thread, I composed every single one of my posts. Despite the general consensus, not every thread I start is a troll.
If you disagree with that, you've got far more severe problems than even Ghost thinks I have.
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
Shaddup you :D
don't make me do another swearangen rant...cuz i'll f#@&ing do it...and it wont be all pretty and polite like the others. where talking a size 10 extra large with a bad case of herpes here.
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My dad can beat up JohnnyJr's dad.
:t
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Originally posted by JB88
don't make me do another swearangen rant...cuz i'll f#@&ing do it...and it wont be all pretty and polite like the others. where talking a size 10 extra large with a bad case of herpes here.
:cool:
Ya? well I've got Captain Insano on my side and Captain Insano shows no mercy :D
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Originally posted by Stang
My dad can beat up JohnnyJr's dad.
:t
ya ya sure sure.. prove it :D
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by all means, bring the captain tracing a line in his leather thong and tutu for all i care, cuz theres only one kind of varmit i can't stand and it's a super hero who has to have the people that he is supposed to be protecting tell me that he is going to come and help them when he gets a spare minute or time for a fancy stroll in the thoroghfare to check on his would be protectorates.
and make sure to mention to him that i said that he aint got squat of a right thinking about the prospect of livin if he come so much as close to me or lays a feathers hair on my eyes.
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:lol (http://www.capitalj.com/images/ftjicons/beer.gif)
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OMG Ghosth where to start!?
First - go to the AH BB Training Corp to learn how to use basic tags. LOLH:rofl
Next - WTF are you talking about - beating animals. If you are saying you think most of the people on these BBs are animals and Hub is beating them with his whit and humor, well me thinks you are a little thin skinned and you should have more respect fot the community than to think of them as animals. :aok
Are you honestly comparing physical violence to verbal banter?? Give it a rest. Stop watching the lifetime channel, PLEASE!
You'll still laugh at the man kicking the dog. And I'll still try to find ways to even the score. Both for the man that does the kicking, and the one that laughs.
How are you evening any scores on the BBs ohh self appointed morality czar. Get off your high horse and if you don't like or get the conversation STF up and stay out of it. BBs participation is not that hard, certainly not as hard as using the tags. LOLH
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All it takes is a little self control. If you kill a guy give him a salute, if he kills you return his salute. we all kill and die in here, so nobody is above dying. When it happens, regardless how, just maintain your composure and be cool. Frankly if I were Hitech, Id scan 200 a bit. It wouldnt take long to see its usually the same 50 people or so who act in ways that hurt the game. Then Id get rid of them.
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"You'll still laugh at the man kicking the dog. And I'll still try to find ways to even the score. Both for the man that does the kicking, and the one that laughs."
what if the dog is "the one" laughing....