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For 10 minutes, the talk show host grilled his guests about whether "George Bush's mental weakness is damaging America's credibility at home and abroad." For 10 minutes, the caption across the bottom of the television screen read, "IS BUSH AN 'IDIOT'?"
But the host was no liberal media elitist. It was Joe Scarborough, a former Republican congressman turned MSNBC political pundit. And his answer to the captioned question was hardly "no." While other presidents have been called stupid, Scarborough said: "I think George Bush is in a league by himself. I don't think he has the intellectual depth as these other people."
These have been tough days politically for President Bush, what with his popularity numbers mired in the 30s and Republican candidates distancing themselves as elections near. He can no longer even rely as much on once-friendly voices in the conservative media to stand by his side, as some columnists and television commentators lose faith in his leadership and lose heart in the war in Iraq.
While most conservative media figures have not abandoned Bush, influential opinion-makers increasingly have raised questions, expressed doubts or attacked the president outright, particularly on foreign policy, on which he has long enjoyed their strongest support. In some cases, they have complained that Bush has drifted away from their shared principles; in other cases, they think it is the implementation that has fallen short. In most instances, Iraq figures prominently.
"Conservatives for a long time were in protective mode, wanting to emphasize the progress in Iraq to contrast what they felt was an unfair attack on the war by the Democrats and media and other sources," Rich Lowry, editor of the National Review, said in an interview. "But there's more of a sense now that things are on a downward trajectory, and more of a willingness to acknowledge it and pressure the administration to react to it."
Lowry's magazine offers a powerful example. "It is time to say it unequivocally: We are winning in Iraq," Lowry wrote in April 2005, chastising those who disagreed. This month, he published an editorial that concluded that "success in Iraq seems more out of reach than it has at any time since the initial invasion three years ago" and assailed "the administration's on-again-off-again approach to Iraq."
"It is time for the Bush administration to acknowledge that its approach of assuring people that progress is being made and operating on that optimistic basis in Iraq isn't working," the editorial said. Lowry followed up days later in his own column, suggesting that the United States is "losing, or at least not obviously winning, a major war" and asking whether Iraq is "Bush's Vietnam."
Quin Hillyer, executive editor of the American Spectator, cited Lowry's column in his own last week, writing that many are upset "because we seem not to be winning" and urging the White House to take on militia leaders such as Moqtada al-Sadr. Until it does, he said, "there will be no way for the administration to credibly claim that victory in Iraq is achievable, much less imminent."
Bush aides were bothered by a George F. Will column last week mocking neoconservative desires to transform the Middle East: "Foreign policy 'realists' considered Middle East stability the goal. The realists' critics, who regard realism as reprehensibly unambitious, considered stability the problem. That problem has been solved."
The White House responded with a 2,432-word rebuttal -- three times as long as the column -- e-mailed to supporters and journalists. "Mr. Will's kind of 'stability' and 'realism' -- a kind of world-weary belief that nothing can be done and so nothing should be tried -- would eventually lead to death and destruction on a scale that is almost unimaginable," wrote White House strategic initiatives director Peter H. Wehner.
Bush advisers said that they never counted Will or some others now voicing criticism as strong supporters but that the president's political weakness has encouraged soft supporters and quiet skeptics to speak out.
William F. Buckley Jr., the founder of the National Review and an icon of the Ronald Reagan-era conservative movement, caused a stir earlier this year when he wrote that "our mission has failed" in Iraq -- just a few months after Bush hosted a White House tribute to Buckley's 80th birthday and the magazine's 50th anniversary.
Thomas L. Friedman, a New York Times columnist who is not a conservative but has strongly backed the Iraq war, reversed course this month, writing that " 'staying the course' is pointless, and it's time to start thinking about Plan B -- how we might disengage with the least damage possible."
White House spokesman Tony Snow said the second-guessing was predictable, given the difficulties in Iraq. "It's hardly unusual in times of war that people get anxious, and that would include people who have supported the president," he said. "The president understands that and is not fazed by it."
Snow said much of the frustration articulated by conservatives stems from a desire to accomplish Bush's ambitions. "The good thing is they all have the same goal: They all want to win the war on terror," he said. "You don't have people quibbling over the goals; they're quibbling over the means -- or 'quibbling' is the wrong word. 'Debating.' "
Snow, who hosted a Fox radio talk show before joining the White House this spring, has made an effort to reach out to conservative audiences by appearing on his former competitors' programs, including shows hosted by Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham. "We're certainly more engaged on that front," he said.
And some of the president's neoconservative supporters have fired back on his behalf. Norman Podhoretz, editor-at-large of Commentary magazine, wrote an 11,525-word essay this month rebutting not only Will, Buckley and other traditional conservatives but also fellow neoconservatives who "have now taken to composing obituary notices of their own." He noted that he had been a tough critic of Reagan for betraying conservative values, only to later conclude that Reagan's approach served "an overall strategy that in the end succeeded in attaining its great objective."
Fred Barnes, executive editor of the Weekly Standard and a reliable Bush supporter, said the disillusionment is not surprising. "People get weary, especially when they expected a war to be over very quickly," he said in an interview. "Supporters fall off over time. I've been disappointed by some of the people who have fallen off, like George Will, but that's what happens."
Few have struck a nerve more than Scarborough, who questioned the president's intelligence on his show, "Scarborough Country." He showed a montage of clips of Bush's famously inarticulate verbal miscues and then explored with guests John Fund and Lawrence O'Donnell Jr. whether Bush is smart enough to be president.
While the country does not want a leader wallowing in the weeds, Scarborough concluded on the segment, "we do need a president who, I think, is intellectually curious."
"And that is a big question," Scarborough said, "whether George W. Bush has the intellectual curiousness -- if that's a word -- to continue leading this country over the next couple of years."
In a later telephone interview, Scarborough said he aired the segment because he kept hearing even fellow Republicans questioning Bush's capacity and leadership, particularly in Iraq. Like others, he said, he supported the war but now thinks it is time to find a way to get out. "A lot of conservatives are saying, 'Enough's enough,' " he said. Asked about the reaction to his program, he said, "The White House is not happy about it."
c&p (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/19/AR2006081900568_pf.html)
say it aint so Joe...say it aint so!
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so what do you search Google daily for "bush is bad"?
do you think you are influencing anyone other than those who already share your opinion or do you just like to cut and paste derogatory spew about the US and this adm?
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No need to search for "Bush is bad" articles. They're becoming quite common. Lately, it seems that the old guard conservatives are lining up for a swing at the neo-cons.
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Originally posted by Eagler
so what do you search Google daily for "bush is bad"?
do you think you are influencing anyone other than those who already share your opinion or do you just like to cut and paste derogatory spew about the US and this adm?
It was the headline today!
There was a second headline too:
Sen. Hagel Says GOP Has Lost Its Way (http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles/_a/sen-hagel-says-gop-has-lost-its-way/n20060820170309990014)
Eagler, your loyalty is admirable and I honestly respect that, but your sailing a sinking ship!
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I just wish the guy would learn to talk straight. Its like he is always grasping for the most regular words. It almost hurts just watching him struggle to say the most simple sentances. Bush has not risen to the occasion and it is ashame.
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Who cares? we really had no choice but to elect him... and... he didn't do too bad on the important stuff like supreme court nominations and federal judges and who to make our ambas. to the (chuckle) UN.
He saved the firearms industry and sent the gun grabbers into deep despair...
sure...he sounds like an idiot... may even be one... sure he is too much of a socialist but..
We had no choice.. there was no one to choose from.. kerrie would have been a disaster for individualists and constitutionalists.... he was at least 10 times worse than Bush and that is all there is to it.
I won't vote for W this time tho....
sure as hell... I won't vote for a democrat tho.
lazs
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Originally posted by Eagler
so what do you search Google daily for "bush is bad"?
do you think you are influencing anyone other than those who already share your opinion or do you just like to cut and paste derogatory spew about the US and this adm?
Give him a break Eagler. He can't vote down here and even if he could........... His guy would have lost.:lol
Living vicariously through other peoples countries must suck.
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Originally posted by Shifty
Living vicariously through other peoples countries must suck.
Living vicariously thru other peoples (soldiers) lives must suck. Bush screwed the pooch when he quit focusing on AlQueda and OBL.
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You base this on what RPM? You a soldier?
Both of my sons who have done tours in Iraq support the president. In fact what pisses them off are people like you saying they are out there doing that job for nothing. One rerurns to Iraq in October, the other is a unit now slated for Afghanistan in 2007. Neither one of them has complained or whined like people on this board that will never have to go.:lol
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Originally posted by lazs2
I won't vote for W this time tho....
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You guys actually CAN vote for him another time? dont you ppl have an time limit on how many terms he can hold office? Seems like hes been in there for ages.
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Originally posted by Maniac
Seems like hes been in there for ages.
it only seems like ages to the librules and al-quida.
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Originally posted by Maniac
You guys actually CAN vote for him another time? dont you ppl have an time limit on how many terms he can hold office? Seems like hes been in there for ages.
No he's done. Two term limit, which is a good thing no matter who holds the office.
Apology to RPM for coming on so strong. I'm touchy when people bring up the soldiers. We just buried a soldier here in Sulphur Springs yesterday who was killed two weeks ago in Iraq.
We're all entitled to our beliefs. I don't believe OBL is a threat hiding in a cave. But thats just me.
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Originally posted by Sandman
No need to search for "Bush is bad" articles. They're becoming quite common. Lately, it seems that the old guard conservatives are lining up for a swing at the neo-cons.
I'm not sure you quite understand the meaning of "Becoming." In this case, it would mean that there weren't any "Bush is Bad" before this, but now there are a lot. That is not the case, nor should Toronto's copy and paste abilities be a guide as to how many there actually are.
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Originally posted by lazs2
We had no choice.. there was no one to choose from..
lazs
Someone made the suggestion that we should have the selection of "no confidence", where we feel both candidates are not worth voting for and they have to go through the whole process again.
I feel this is a good idea at the party nomination level.
Oh, and Limbaugh has called him a spending democrat, and says he is expanding government
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Originally posted by Shifty
I don't believe OBL is a threat hiding in a cave. But thats just me.
How do you know he is hiding in a cave?
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I'm not sure you quite understand the meaning of "Becoming." In this case, it would mean that there weren't any "Bush is Bad" before this, but now there are a lot. That is not the case, nor should Toronto's copy and paste abilities be a guide as to how many there actually are.
:rolleyes:
There always has been a lot of anti-Bush articles, but until recently they were typically from the "liberal" side. Let me repeat the salient point, Lately, it seems that the old guard conservatives are lining up for a swing at the neo-cons.
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Originally posted by Shifty
Give him a break Eagler. He can't vote down here and even if he could........... His guy would have lost.:lol
Living vicariously through other peoples countries must suck.
LOL, well said...that's what I think when I read these rants from our neighbors up north who seem to feel they have all the answers. Meanwhile I read the news in Canada and see what a train wreck they are up there. But, I dont make it a point to post daily to say how tarded they are.
Sure would be cool if they minded their biz :lol
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Originally posted by Sixpence
How do you know he is hiding in a cave?
I don't . Maybe he's having a French Dip at Bennigans in Ft Walton Beach, while he plans his next big move.
I hear you Lepaul. I don't know squat about Canada's politics , and I just can't find the time to care. I don't know how XRT and Nash can get so worked up over ours all the time. Canada is in the same war we are.:huh
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Originally posted by Shifty
I don't . Maybe he's having a French Dip at Bennigans in Ft Walton Beach, while he plans his next big move.
I hear you Lepaul. I don't know squat about Canada's politics , and I just can't find the time to care. I don't know how XRT and Nash can get so worked up over ours all the time. Canada is in the same war we are.:huh
Yup, they can stay up there too...with the draft dodgers ;)
JK!
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Originally posted by Shifty
I don't believe OBL is a threat hiding in a cave. But thats just me.
Ever hear of 9/11? If that happened to my country I would want the people responsible to face justice
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Originally posted by LePaul
Sure would be cool if they minded their biz :lol
Should we use the US as a guide on how to "mind our own business"? Speaking of minding your own business...how is that 'bringing democracy to Iraq' thing going?;)
"MISSION ACCOMPLISHED":lol
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
Ever hear of 9/11? If that happened to my country I would want the people responsible to face justice
No problema, all we have to do to find OBL is invade Pakistan , whos Prime Minister is hanging on by a thread, because he isn't radical-islamic eNOUGH
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Originally posted by Shifty
You base this on what RPM? You a soldier?
Both of my sons who have done tours in Iraq support the president. In fact what pisses them off are people like you saying they are out there doing that job for nothing. One rerurns to Iraq in October, the other is a unit now slated for Afghanistan in 2007. Neither one of them has complained or whined like people on this board that will never have to go.:lol
Shifty, don't get me wrong. I hope your sons kick arse and take names where ever they are deployed. I just question the one putting them in harm's way.
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Originally posted by lazs2
sure as hell... I won't vote for a democrat tho.
lazs
Too bad we weren't offered better choices. Bush was definitely the only choice in both 2000 and 2004. I won't automatically rule out voting for a democrat though. It's possible they might nominate one with character and some common sense. Don't laugh, it could happen.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Let me repeat the salient point, Lately, it seems that the old guard conservatives are lining up for a swing at the neo-cons.
*waves from line*
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
It was the headline today!
There was a second headline too:
Sen. Hagel Says GOP Has Lost Its Way (http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles/_a/sen-hagel-says-gop-has-lost-its-way/n20060820170309990014)
Eagler, your loyalty is admirable and I honestly respect that, but your sailing a sinking ship!
Chuck Hagel, Lindsay Graham, John McCain, and a few others are ALL constant Bush critics (purely a coincidence all 3 are looking into running for president) , and Joe Scarboroughs' ratings on a very liberal network with low ratings are even worse than the REST of the network. At least GOP tolerates dissent--Joe Lieberman left the plantation on ONE issue, and was tossed over the side
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
Should we use the US as a guide on how to "mind our own business"? Speaking of minding your own business...how is that 'bringing democracy to Iraq' thing going?;)
"MISSION ACCOMPLISHED":lol
Yawn...is that the best youve got?
I was going to make fun of the events in Canada...then I remembered...no one cares
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Originally posted by lukster
Too bad we weren't offered better choices. Bush was definitely the only choice in both 2000 and 2004. I won't automatically rule out voting for a democrat though. It's possible they might nominate one with character and some common sense. Don't laugh, it could happen.
Lieberman? ;)
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Originally posted by LePaul
Yawn...is that the best youve got?
I kinda thought the loss of approximately 2 US servicemen per day was kind of a big deal (not even to mention the $2 Billion dollar/week cost of this war) That ain't chump change. Have you ever thought what America could have been like if that quarter Trillion dollars was used on Americans?
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Toronto have you ever voted in a US election or plan to in the future... Or are you one of those guys who moved to canada when Bush was re-elected?
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Toronto doesnt have any answers or solutions. His mantra is to merely snipe at us Americans. Its predictably tiring.
Apparently that Canadian Utopia is a bit boring.
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Oh... ****... is that what this forum is for? Answers and solutions?
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Originally posted by T0J0
Toronto have you ever voted in a US election or plan to in the future... Or are you one of those guys who moved to canada when Bush was re-elected?
Before I was born, my family moved from the UK to Toronto...and some moved on to Detroit. I spent many summers and other vacations in Mi. My father also lives in his Fla. home for 6 months of the year. But that's not really why I bother.
If you are seriously wondering why so many people are interested in US politics: it's because you are doing things that provoke strong responses from the global community. When things happen within US boudries, it's your business as far as I'm concerned.
OTOH when you do things on the global stage...
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Originally posted by rpm
Shifty, don't get me wrong. I hope your sons kick arse and take names where ever they are deployed. I just question the one putting them in harm's way.
Understood RPM thats why I offered an apology.;)
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When is the next US election?
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
Should we use the US as a guide on how to "mind our own business"? Speaking of minding your own business...how is that 'bringing democracy to Iraq' thing going?;)
It's has it's ups and downs. Maybe you should go to an airport and ask some returning Canadian soldiers what their opinon is. While your at it maybe you could take time to thank them, instead of just taking a dump on their mission.:aok
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
Should we use the US as a guide on how to "mind our own business"? Speaking of minding your own business...how is that 'bringing democracy to Iraq' thing going?;)
"MISSION ACCOMPLISHED":lol
Actually it's going well. Thanks for asking.
Seems to me they have a working Govt. that is working out their problems as a new Govt should. Is it bloody? Yup but how many new Govt weren't?
Saddam is no longer in charge so the "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" is accurate. But hey! Don't let that get in the way of your inane rants.
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Originally posted by Maniac
When is the next US election?
in nov for our reps and in nov 08 for the next republican POTUS ;)
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sure.. it's easy to get in line and swing at Bush... he is way to tax and spend and socialist for my taste.
But.... it is just whining. It does no good since there is no alternative.
The reason that you can never vote for a democrat is because... they vote like democrats.
Yep... when a democrat gets in he turns into a democrat no matter what he says in the run. He emboldens the democrat senators to bring up more and more socialist bills and more and more fruitcake "prgrams" and bans. It is simply the way of things.
Any democrat will make things ten times worse.... democrat or republican... they all vote along party lines and... the democrat line is socialism.... the best democrat is 10 times worse than the worse republican.
but.... I have heard sandie and funked and others take their shots... I just haven't heard any alternatives.
Give me a good alternative or just admit that you are no more help to me than listening to nash.
So... funked and sandie... what do we do? Who do I vote for?
I agree with all the conservatives that think Bush is too socialist but... he has done great things that will outlive his riegn.... imagine if kerrie had put in those supreme court justices?
So... put up or shut up.... if you got nothing.... just say so.
lazs
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my disappointment with bush is becoming palpable. But yes, all I have to do is think of the name Kerry and bush is ok again. For a moment at least...
Whats McCain up to these days?
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Originally posted by zorstorer
Lieberman? ;)
Before he got in bed with with Gore I think Lieberman was more reasonable. During the 2000 campaign he seemed to embrace the socialist agenda of his party. So far as I am aware there are no democrats that meet the criteria I specified. Just trying to keep an open mind though.
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Bush position on the war on terror : http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2006/08/my_position_is.html
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Originally posted by lazs2
Give me a good alternative or just admit that you are no more help to me than listening to nash.
So... funked and sandie... what do we do? Who do I vote for?
I agree with all the conservatives that think Bush is too socialist but... he has done great things that will outlive his riegn.... imagine if kerrie had put in those supreme court justices?
So... put up or shut up.... if you got nothing.... just say so.
lazs
It's a little premature. We don't know who is running for president.
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
I kinda thought the loss of approximately 2 US servicemen per day was kind of a big deal (not even to mention the $2 Billion dollar/week cost of this war) That ain't chump change. Have you ever thought what America could have been like if that quarter Trillion dollars was used on Americans?
it is a big deal. you're absolutely on the mark.the thing is toronto,like it or not we are the one left standing after the cold war.we're the big dog (so to speak).do you really think we enjoy having to do police work thruout the world?answer..no. but we do know that after shedding tons of blood for our own democracy including 600,000 lives in our own civil war, that maybe with our presence Iraq can avoid their own large scale all out civil war.if we could blink our eyes and make it go back to where it was before, i'm sure most americans would do it, but we cant.simply put,we learned from vietnam one thing for sure. if you break it,fix it.yes we started this and now the only honorable thing to do is help fix it. if a majority of iraqis wanted us out,im sure more than 2 U.S. deaths per day would be occurring. thing is, were not perfect and we try too hard to be just that. before pearl harbor there was an overwhelming isolationalist attitude towards "europes war". just think how many lives would have been spared had we had the balls to back britain and france from the jump.how many years may have been cropped off the war.this is a war against islamist fascists whether you like or not. they have stated their goals.read em and dont laugh like many did at hitler's "mein kamph". also,on a side note, i believe you do have the right to criticize america's foreign policy as it affects everyone in the world. however,bear in mind if our goal was to conquer the world for our own gain i believe we would start with canada and mexico.lots of oil and i must admit canada exclusively, the very best sticky-icky.but as far as who we elect as president of our country,its our business and we will ***** about it no matter who is elected.we will also take pleasure in the sucesses and suffer the consequences of failure.enough babble.i can tackle my brother and put him in the headlock,but if try to do the same, you will be attacked.bush in my opinion is an idiot, but hes our idiot,not yours.matter of fact,if many of us agree hes such an idiot, how does he keep putting together all of these "conspiracies" that hes accused of?lol. in closing i would like to point out that i have publicly stated here that i believe my president is a good-hearted pit bull of an idiot and i have no fear of losing my job,house,or life. all
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I feel so bad. Some Canadian is making fun of our president.
I'm going to make fun of Lukas Rossi if they don't stop!!
:rolleyes:
:lol
If America does everything wrong, why do we have the biggest guns?
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Originally posted by COBA94
it is a big deal. you're absolutely on the mark.the thing is toronto,like it or not we are the one left standing after the cold war.we're the big dog (so to speak).do you really think we enjoy having to do police work thruout the world?answer..no. but we do know that after shedding tons of blood for our own democracy including 600,000 lives in our own civil war, that maybe with our presence Iraq can avoid their own large scale all out civil war.if we could blink our eyes and make it go back to where it was before, i'm sure most americans would do it, but we cant.simply put,we learned from vietnam one thing for sure. if you break it,fix it.yes we started this and now the only honorable thing to do is help fix it. if a majority of iraqis wanted us out,im sure more than 2 U.S. deaths per day would be occurring. thing is, were not perfect and we try too hard to be just that. before pearl harbor there was an overwhelming isolationalist attitude towards "europes war". just think how many lives would have been spared had we had the balls to back britain and france from the jump.how many years may have been cropped off the war.this is a war against islamist fascists whether you like or not. they have stated their goals.read em and dont laugh like many did at hitler's "mein kamph". also,on a side note, i believe you do have the right to criticize america's foreign policy as it affects everyone in the world. however,bear in mind if our goal was to conquer the world for our own gain i believe we would start with canada and mexico.lots of oil and i must admit canada exclusively, the very best sticky-icky.but as far as who we elect as president of our country,its our business and we will ***** about it no matter who is elected.we will also take pleasure in the sucesses and suffer the consequences of failure.enough babble.i can tackle my brother and put him in the headlock,but if try to do the same, you will be attacked.bush in my opinion is an idiot, but hes our idiot,not yours.matter of fact,if many of us agree hes such an idiot, how does he keep putting together all of these "conspiracies" that hes accused of?lol. in closing i would like to point out that i have publicly stated here that i believe my president is a good-hearted pit bull of an idiot and i have no fear of losing my job,house,or life. all
Capitalization and paragraphs are your friends. ;)
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Originally posted by BTW
I'm going to make fun of Lukas Rossi if they don't stop!!
The guy is a bit of a spaz.
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Originally posted by Sandman
It's a little premature. We don't know who is running for president.
does it matter?
you will vote dem and I will vote republican regardless
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Originally posted by Eagler
does it matter?
you will vote dem and I will vote republican regardless
I'm not a democrat.
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Originally posted by Sandman
I'm not a democrat.
ROFLMAO.......:rofl
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I'm not a republican either.
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Originally posted by COBA94
but we do know that after shedding tons of blood for our own democracy including 600,000 lives in our own civil war, that maybe with our presence Iraq can avoid their own large scale all out civil war.
So you think another country should have interfered with our civil war?
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sandie... fair enough..
Then name someone who you think you would like to see run and be pres. Someone you would vote for.
lazs
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I kind of like Scarborough. He was one of the few mainstream media folk who bothered to note Hackworth's passing, stating that while they disagreed on many issues his voice in support of America's warriors would be missed. He also handled a Stephen Colbert guest appearence with humor and class -- poking fun at both his former career as a politican and his current stint as a pundit.
What was really funny, in a "rats abandoning a sinking ship" sort of way was Tucker Carlson dropping the little bowtie and trying to pass himself off as some "libertarian" the last time I caught his act on cable. He'd be more believable as as "seen the light" Log Cabin Republican :) He is going to be on Dances with the Stars, BTW. I'd Buy That for a Dollar! :)
Charon
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Originally posted by lazs2
sandie... fair enough..
Then name someone who you think you would like to see run and be pres. Someone you would vote for.
lazs
I honestly don't know. It's a lot easier to identify the people I wouldn't vote for.
Got anyone in mind that sounds promising?
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Originally posted by Sandman
I'm not a democrat.
who said you were, I don't care what you are registered as - let me know when you vote for a republican and I'll let you know when I vote for a dem
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Originally posted by Eagler
who said you were, I don't care what you are registered as - let me know when you vote for a republican and I'll let you know when I vote for a dem
I've voted for both Republicans and Democrats for as long as I've been able to vote.
You've assumed that I only vote Democrat because I dislike Bush. It's a faulty assumption.
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Originally posted by Sandman
The guy is a bit of a spaz.
Welll so is Tommy Lee. I can't imagine who would actually buy a Super Nova album. If Walt Disney had a heavy metal theme park ride, Super Nova would be perfect. But that guy Rossi has some talent- aside from the goofy show.
He's also got quite a resume which includes McDonalds commercials :D
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Nope sandy... I got no one. I do know that no one out there does it for me right now... bunch of socialist windbags.
Going by what is out there.... I have no choice but to vote a straight republican ticket once again in order to assure that democrats don't get in.
Not all that happy with the situation but... gotta be pragmatic.. there is no better way to vote.
I will also vote against every new law that takes away any freedom from anyone and every new tax... no matter how impassioned the plea or how much it is claimed to "save" me personaly or punish someone I don't like.
lazs
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sandman;)
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Originally posted by lazs2
Nope sandy... I got no one. I do know that no one out there does it for me right now...
Exactly. I looked at the current field of of contenders and it's easy to pick the ones that I would never vote for. There's a few that I might consider given some more information, but like you say none so far leaps out of the pack as THE one.
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not just that... none of em is any different than any other one of their party except to maybe be worse.
Centrous these days means more socialist it seems.
lazs