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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: cav58d on August 21, 2006, 08:04:44 PM
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Tomorrow is August 22nd....Apparantly all the major cable new's channel's follow the HTC BBS because they are finally covering the article about "iran lighting up the Israeli sky" that we have been discussing for weeks
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I bought ample supply of microwave popcorn and beer...I just hope I have a good seat
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Wait until they start quoting some of us...
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Oh man that would be so freakin hilarious :rofl
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I don't know about Iran, but we'll definetly see some action in Moscow tomorrow...
Key words: Mortar, demonstration, Red Blizkrieg... :(
I hope I am wrong, but there is a serious chance that a "liberal" demonstration will be shelled with a batallion 82mm mortar :(
A link in Russian only: http://kenigtiger.livejournal.com/
So far this guys were deadly serious and always did what they promised :(
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Serious question...Does anyone think that at the mininum there will be a couple IAF F-16's with tactical nukes strapped on flying alert tomorrow? At an extreme maybe even a couple B-1's orbiting the eastern iraq/iran border incase the wost happens?
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What guys Boroda? What's the story here?
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Step 1>> Iran makes a move against Isreal
Step 2>> Isreal retaliates
Step 3>> Iran ceases to exist
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Originally posted by cav58d
Serious question...Does anyone think that at the mininum there will be a couple IAF F-16's with tactical nukes strapped on flying alert tomorrow? At an extreme maybe even a couple B-1's orbiting the eastern iraq/iran border incase the wost happens?
Who says they arnt already there?
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Oh yea
Step 4>> The US gets involved.
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Step 5, Iran becaomes the 51st state
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Originally posted by Meatwad
Step 5, Iran becaomes the 51st state
53. Theres two more that have a head start in the statehood process. ;)
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Originally posted by Meatwad
Step 5, Iran becaomes the 51st state
Only after the quagmire of a war that turns into a cival war that we get stuck in.
Oh wait thats Iraq, never mind theres too many wars going on its hard to keep up with who's next.
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Oh well. Thats what B-52's are for. Make iraq a parking lot also but save the wells
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Well my guess is still that they will engage in a giant thumbing of the nose at the West tomorrow, especially regarding the NPT, but who knows? Certainly the Iranian saber rattling has gotten louder and more pointed of late:
"If you want to have good relations with the Iranian people in the future, you should acknowledge the right and the might of the Iranian people, and you should bow and surrender to the might of the Iranian people. If you do not accept this, the Iranian people will force you to bow and surrender."
- Ahmadinejad, IRINN TV, August 15, 2006
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"VIENNA, Austria (AP) -- Iran has turned away U.N. inspectors wanting to examine its underground nuclear site in an apparent violation of the Nonproliferation Treaty, diplomats and U.N. officials said Monday.
The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the confidentiality of the information, told The Associated Press that Iran's unprecedented refusal to allow access to the facility at Natanz could seriously hamper international efforts to ensure that Tehran is not trying to make nuclear weapons.
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Earlier Monday, Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said Monday that Tehran will continue to pursue nuclear technology, state television reported.
The supreme leader's remarks also came the day after Iran's armed forces tested surface-to-surface missiles Sunday in the second stage of war games near its border with Iraq.
"The Islamic Republic of Iran has made its own decision and in the nuclear case, God willing, with patience and power, will continue its path," Khamenei was quoted as saying by the broadcast."
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Hi DMF,
Originally posted by dmf
Step 1>> Iran makes a move against Isreal
Step 2>> Isreal retaliates
Step 3>> Iran ceases to exist
Unfortunately, the recent war in Lebanon is being interpreted by the Muslim world as a major defeat for Israel and a signal that the days of her military invincibility are over. This is causing a sea-change in Arab military thinking and perception as profound as the changed perception of the Army of Northern Virginia following the Union victory at Gettysburg. The days when a ground war against Israel was immediately ruled out by Muslim nations are definitely over, Assad is already boasting that Syria will soon liberate the Golan heights.
This perception is not entirely without merit. The current generation of Israelis is perhaps the least politically unified in the history of modern Israel, and has shown that it is simply not the same "tough as nails and willing to fight to the death" community that won in '48, '67, and '73. Many are beginning to ask if Israel might not have some of the same inherent problems and weaknesses that have hamstrung the ability of Western nations to effectively respond to the Jihadis. Could it be that they are gradually becoming as soft and visionless as the Western democracies?
- SEAGOON
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Maybe there are a lot of NY Times subscribers in Israel?
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Originally posted by Meatwad
Oh man that would be so freakin hilarious :rofl
but it wouldnt be surprising.
We would be listed in the "Quoting and un named source" LOL
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Hi DMF,
Unfortunately, the recent war in Lebanon is being interpreted by the Muslim world as a major defeat for Israel and a signal that the days of her military invincibility are over. This is causing a sea-change in Arab military thinking and perception as profound as the changed perception of the Army of Northern Virginia following the Union victory at Gettysburg. The days when a ground war against Israel was immediately ruled out by Muslim nations are definitely over, Assad is already boasting that Syria will soon liberate the Golan heights.
This perception is not entirely without merit. The current generation of Israelis is perhaps the least politically unified in the history of modern Israel, and has shown that it is simply not the same "tough as nails and willing to fight to the death" community that won in '48, '67, and '73. Many are beginning to ask if Israel might not have some of the same inherent problems and weaknesses that have hamstrung the ability of Western nations to effectively respond to the Jihadis. Could it be that they are gradually becoming as soft and visionless as the Western democracies?
- SEAGOON
The easiest solution to the whole problem, we might glow a little but at least the terrorist problem would be solved
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Well my guess is still that they will engage in a giant thumbing of the nose at the West tomorrow, especially regarding the NPT, but who knows? Certainly the Iranian saber rattling has gotten louder and more pointed of late:
"If you want to have good relations with the Iranian people in the future, you should acknowledge the right and the might of the Iranian people, and you should bow and surrender to the might of the Iranian people. If you do not accept this, the Iranian people will force you to bow and surrender."
- Ahmadinejad, IRINN TV, August 15, 2006
and then just today -
- SEAGOON [/QUOTE
Now thats the man Pat Robertson should have said needs to be killed LOL
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You folks all worry too much...
Much to the disappointment of many of you (and CNN) it is already Aug 22 over there and nothing (out of the ordinary) is happening..
Nothing unusual will continue to happen.
Much like (to the disappointment of CNN) space shuttles don't blow up on every flight.
Stop getting sucked into the madness. The world just really isn't that scary.
If you walk down the street right now, I got 20 bucks that says you don't die. Stop letting people tell you what to be afraid of. Look out your window and decide on your own.
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Well on the bright side if Iran nukes israel I wont have to fly back to friggen oregon to be back at work on thursday.
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And I profit financially on every fart happening in the middle east.
Its a profit I would gladly give up in a second for peace, but what the heck... if i dont make the money someone else will anyway.
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Is it me or does the President of Iran look as if he was coming off a bad Acid trip and had Frank Zappa's "Suzie Creamchesse" playin in his head all night long.
This guy is a nutjob.
Oh BTW check CNN...
It's ON!!!!
We have sooo much watermelon in the skies as does IAF...It's time we end this crap.
No NEWS at 11:00....please return to your normal pathetic rants.
Mac
Free America
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He is a soccer fan so he cant be put together right. Soccer fans should never be allowed in positions of power...ever.
sorry fellow euro folks... but you know that if you are a fan of soccer something is seriously wrong with you. ;)
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Now just wait a minute, I played Soccer form middle school till I graduated high school and I still like soccer and theres nothing wrong with me.
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if only DMF looked like the anime girl in her picture...:D
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Originally posted by dmf
Now just wait a minute, I played Soccer form middle school till I graduated high school and I still like soccer and theres nothing wrong with me.
Those years are so important in your development. Its when they get you, and it really should be forbidden to introduce evil to kids at that age.
And here you are... playing war games with other militants when you should be out playing with boys. It proves my point really so no trying to paddle your way out of it.
;)
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Originally posted by cav58d
Tomorrow is August 22nd....Apparantly all the major cable new's channel's follow the HTC BBS because they are finally covering the article about "iran lighting up the Israeli sky" that we have been discussing for weeks
Okay, who leaked it to the press??? Im gonna find you....:noid
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Originally posted by Boroda
I don't know about Iran, but we'll definetly see some action in Moscow tomorrow...
Key words: Mortar, demonstration, Red Blizkrieg... :(
I hope I am wrong, but there is a serious chance that a "liberal" demonstration will be shelled with a batallion 82mm mortar :(
A link in Russian only: http://kenigtiger.livejournal.com/
So far this guys were deadly serious and always did what they promised :(
Did this completely skip everyone?!? Im not that worried about the middle east. We have more nukes than them, and they are more accurate. But I have friends FROM Russia, and IN Russia right now. Whats going on Boroda? I hope you wont be anywhere near it.
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This guys cancelled their action, anounced it in the morning on 22nd and stopped their publicity on the internet.
People still wonder if it was a silly joke. So far that guy Morozov always did what he declared, including a fencing duel with a professional fencer, on real sharp sabres.
I completely supported this guys when they "tomatoed" our liberastic politicians and journalists, but using a mortar against an imbecilic democratopithecus demonstration is a little bit too much.
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So, what exactly was he threatening? What was his cause? Im just curious whats going on back there, my friends have not yet returned to tell me.
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Originally posted by Boroda
This guys cancelled their action, anounced it in the morning on 22nd and stopped their publicity on the internet.
People still wonder if it was a silly joke. So far that guy Morozov always did what he declared, including a fencing duel with a professional fencer, on real sharp sabres.
I completely supported this guys when they "tomatoed" our liberastic politicians and journalists, but using a mortar against an imbecilic democratopithecus demonstration is a little bit too much.
Well, sounds like good times.
Jesus Christ
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Originally posted by Reynolds
So, what exactly was he threatening? What was his cause? Im just curious whats going on back there, my friends have not yet returned to tell me.
Our "right-wing" liberals happily celebrated the Russian Flag day, that is on Aug 22nd, the day when so-called "coup" was "defeated" in 1991, that caused a cancellation of the new Union Treaty between the republics and led to disbanding USSR and "democratic" reforms that made millions starve.
It's quite confusing to see some group of people celebrating this sad date, after this 15 years. So that "Red Blizkrieg" guys threatened to fire mortar at the demonstration... BTW, most of the "demonstrants" are aroud 20 years old or even younger, and didn't see the event they celebrate because they were pissing into chamber-pots in 1991. Fortunately - "day of the mortar" was cancelled, so noone really knows if they have weapons or not.
BTW, while Evil Commies in 1991 didn't order fire at the protesters, in 1993 democratic president Yeltsin have torn the Constitution, overthrew elected Parliament (Supreme Counsil) and ordered troops to fire at Parliament building, executing thousands at the near-by stadium and shooting hundreeds of protesters from BTR heavy macineguns in Ostankino near the TV center. I hope you see the difference between good and evil, don't you?...
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Originally posted by Boroda
Our "right-wing" liberals happily celebrated the Russian Flag day, that is on Aug 22nd, the day when so-called "coup" was "defeated" in 1991, that caused a cancellation of the new Union Treaty between the republics and led to disbanding USSR and "democratic" reforms that made millions starve.
It's quite confusing to see some group of people celebrating this sad date, after this 15 years. So that "Red Blizkrieg" guys threatened to fire mortar at the demonstration... BTW, most of the "demonstrants" are aroud 20 years old or even younger, and didn't see the event they celebrate because they were pissing into chamber-pots in 1991. Fortunately - "day of the mortar" was cancelled, so noone really knows if they have weapons or not.
BTW, while Evil Commies in 1991 didn't order fire at the protesters, in 1993 democratic president Yeltsin have torn the Constitution, overthrew elected Parliament (Supreme Counsil) and ordered troops to fire at Parliament building, executing thousands at the near-by stadium and shooting hundreeds of protesters from BTR heavy macineguns in Ostankino near the TV center. I hope you see the difference between good and evil, don't you?...
Wow. I had thought the "Reform in government" was a nice change. I had no idea how terrible it really was. This hasnt got back to us in hawaii.
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Originally posted by 1epic1
if only DMF looked like the anime girl in her picture...:D
Your not the only one that wishes I looked like that in real life :)
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Those years are so important in your development. Its when they get you, and it really should be forbidden to introduce evil to kids at that age.
And here you are... playing war games with other militants when you should be out playing with boys. It proves my point really so no trying to paddle your way out of it.
;)
Ok Nilsen, just for the record, between you and me.
1) I don't play AH as much as you do :p
2) I'm 24 years old, I play with men, not boys :aok
3) my daughter is 4, if she wants to play scooer when she gets old enough, so be it, if she doesn't, so be it
Whats os evil about Soccer anyway? Did you you always got picked last. or are you a Washington Redskins freak?
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Originally posted by Boroda
...executing thousands at the near-by stadium and shooting hundreeds of protesters from BTR heavy macineguns in Ostankino near the TV center...
Yetsin was executing thousands of civilians? Was this reported in the US? Never heard of it.
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Originally posted by dmf
Only after the quagmire of a war that turns into a cival war that we get stuck in.
Oh wait thats Iraq, never mind theres too many wars going on its hard to keep up with who's next.
I'm hoping we learned something from Iraq. Next time we go after a middle eastern country we shouldn't be so quick to destroy their military capability. We should take our time and let them think they have a chance. Then perhaps all those interested in fighting will come out to play and not lay low sandbaging for a later insurrection.
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We didn't destroy the military in Iraq, they all went home and changed clothes, now we call them insurgents. So basically we can't beat them right now cause they're cheating, therefore just kill them all, and let Allah sort them out.
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Originally posted by dmf
We didn't destroy the military in Iraq, they all went home and changed clothes, now we call them insurgents. So basically we can't beat them right now cause they're cheating, therefore just kill them all, and let Allah sort them out.
Works for me but I bet some bleedin' heart lib will complain. ;)
We're just gonna hafta be craftier next time.
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Originally posted by mietla
Yetsin was executing thousands of civilians? Was this reported in the US? Never heard of it.
In late September, 1993, Yeltsin disbanded the Parliament (Supreme Counsil, or Soviet in Russian). By October 3rd, followers of constitutional power started to get hold of government buildings and infrastructure in Moscow. So Yeltsin threatened the military commanders, and relied on corrupt generals, sending troops to Msk, that shot tank guns at Parliament builiding, filtered all Parliament building defenders, executing them at Krasnaya Presnya stadium at the backyard of Parliament, Latin-American style, and sent troops that shot protesters at the square near Ostankino TV center...
It WAS shown in the US, you probably remember a huge white building burning from the middle to the top on TV. For you guys it was entertainment, for us it was a tragedy, but I have to admit that I didn't realise it back then.
The only good thing about it is that it was the last time when I was awoken by tanks and BMPs entering Moscow via Leningrad highway where I live, with all that roaring, clinging and farting.
Sorry, going to have some sleep now, pictures and videos later, OK?
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Originally posted by Boroda
with all that roaring, clinging and farting.
Thanks for all the info, but one quick question... Your tanks fart?:huh
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Originally posted by Boroda
It WAS shown in the US, you probably remember a huge white building burning from the middle to the top on TV. For you guys it was entertainment, for us it was a tragedy, but I have to admit that I didn't realise it back then.
Yes, it was shown here and I do remember the general story, but I think that it was reported here as a "bloodless" affair. Even the coup leaders were not executed. It is inevitable that when tanks fire at the buildings some people will die, but the cold blooded executions, it's news to me.
BTW, you've used the term "followers of the constitutional power". Who were they? Civilians? Military troops? Special forces?
Was it a commie constitution that they've defended, or was it a post commie constitution?
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Originally posted by Reynolds
Thanks for all the info, but one quick question... Your tanks fart?:huh
My windows look at the Leningrad highway, it's about 100m. Imagine a huge convoy of BMPs and tanks going there. How do you think an exaust from several hundreeds of multi-fuel opposite tank diesels smell? Flowers?...
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Originally posted by mietla
Yes, it was shown here and I do remember the general story, but I think that it was reported here as a "bloodless" affair. Even the coup leaders were not executed. It is inevitable that when tanks fire at the buildings some people will die, but the cold blooded executions, it's news to me.
Leaders were arrested, but a lot of people who were in the White House (parliament building) were taken to the stadium and simply shot. AFAIK they shot everyone who was caught with arms.
I hope you understand that this information never reached media.
Originally posted by mietla
BTW, you've used the term "followers of the constitutional power". Who were they? Civilians? Military troops? Special forces?
Mostly civilians. Ordinary citizens.
Special forces refused to take part in this bloody circus. Yeltsin and his defence minister used all possible means to make some army units support them. Lies and bribes. Army also tried to avoid involvement, from direct inobedience to covered sabotage when executing orders.
Originally posted by mietla
Was it a commie constitution that they've defended, or was it a post commie constitution?
Commie constitution had only one article that made it "commie": about "leading role of Communist Party", but this article was abandoned in 1990. In fact it was an ordinary democratic constitution like in most of European countries, and as the result of the 1993 coup it was replaced by a current one, that is far from perfection, but is really perfect when you need to cover up the real state of affairs when the country is run by "democratically elected" crooks and thieves.
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So, even the russian media did not report executions. I can buy that.
So, what are the major differences between 1990 and 1993/current constitutions?
What in it (or lack of what in it) allows this "cover up the real state of affairs"?
BTW, what happened to the leaders of the coup? Were they released or are they still in a can?
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Originally posted by mietla
So, even the russian media did not report executions. I can buy that.
A massacre in Ostankino was filmed by several TV channels, including foreign. At least one operator was killed there. Imagine BTRs fireing 14.5mm machineguns at the unarmed crowd, that came to take control of the TV center... Hundreeds killed, the video is stunning, a lead shower literally...
Originally posted by mietla
So, what are the major differences between 1990 and 1993/current constitutions?
Renamed Parliament from Supreme Counsil to Federal Assembly, abandoned a vice-president position and some minor changes, that allow tricking with election laws and some other nice stuff for dummies at the top.
Soviet Constitution wasn't bad at all. They needed to get rid of it to legitimate Yeltsin's power as the only master of the state.
Originally posted by mietla
What in it (or lack of what in it) allows this "cover up the real state of affairs"?
Too long to explain. All the changes since 1993 are aimed at abandoning all social programms and satisfying new masters desire to steal and rule, making them not responsible for any actions.
Now we have another stage, when Russian people (80% of population) are declared the only criminal fascist nationalistic force, and people buy it!...
Originally posted by mietla
BTW, what happened to the leaders of the coup? Were they released or are they still in a can?
All the leaders of the both coups were released, no punishment, amnesty. The only one, general Varennikov, insisted on a fair trial so he'll be found guilty or not, he refused from amnesty, and was found not guilty.
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thanks for the info Boroda.
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One more thing
The only one, general Varennikov, insisted on a fair trial so he'll be found guilty or not, he refused from amnesty, and was found not guilty
that is actually interesting. Clearly he did not deny his involvement in overthrowing the government. What was his defense? That the coup was legal? That couldn't fly, could it?
I bet his refusal to take amnesty and insistance on a trial pissed Yeltsin big time.
What was public's reaction to the amnesty. A relief that the whole thing is over, or a rage that the perps get off the hook? I bet there was a split in a society, but the way you present this, the public supported the coup and Yeltsin was the guy in a black hat.
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Originally posted by mietla
One more thing
that is actually interesting. Clearly he did not deny his involvement in overthrowing the government. What was his defense? That the coup was legal? That couldn't fly, could it?
I bet his refusal to take amnesty and insistance on a trial pissed Yeltsin big time.
What was public's reaction to the amnesty. A relief that the whole thing is over, or a rage that the perps get off the hook? I bet there was a split in a society, but the way you present this, the public supported the coup and Yeltsin was the guy in a black hat.
Yes it pissed Yeltsin. It reached the media, it was somewhere in between rat palgue in Uryupinsk and a militia officer bribed in Muhosransk. Free media, you understand. Public was more interested in survival in 1990s.
Amnesty didn't bother anyone. And it was becoming obvious that wrong people are in prison.
In fact - 1993 was not overthrowing government, it was all according to Constitution: Yeltsin dismissed parliament (that he couldn't do) and Parliament impeached him, declaring a Vice-President general Rutskoy a President. BTW, Rutskoy is an Afghan war weteran, shot down in his Su-25 by a Pakistani F-16, traded for captured terrorists, a Hero of the Soviet Union. Now according to our election laws he is literally banned from politics, he was a governor of Kursk, and then excluded from ballots when he wanted to be re-elected.
Too much tryping, I have to go now :(
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Originally posted by lukster
Works for me but I bet some bleedin' heart lib will complain. ;)
We're just gonna hafta be craftier next time.
We can't, we went to teh Gevena Convention, and we play by teh rules of war ( whatever that is), They ae a bunch of barbaric killers, that have no quams about killing anything or anybody that they think is against them, eventheir own.
Oh By The Way, its after Aug 22nd, wheres the great Iran at to light up Isreal's sky?............................. .................
yea I didn't think so