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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Husky01 on August 22, 2006, 10:58:38 PM
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If Hitech gave you the choice of picking one plane to add to the game. Which serverd incombat from the years 1940-1946 what would it be?
P.S. just thought it be intersting to here the diffrent anserws! All
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B-29 with nukes.
and yes i am serious.
and they would be enough to destroy a base.
and they would cost alot alot alot alot.
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No contest... Cessna L-19 BirdDog
Sorry JB88, if you're going to one retarded extreme, I'm going to the other.
(http://www.warbirdalley.com/images/L19flinn.jpg)
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Does the F8F meet the criteria?
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Relic ya sure lol we will count it i my self would like to se the P-61 :)
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Originally posted by RELIC
Does the F8F meet the criteria?
He said till 46, so I think it does meet that. Not totally sure... Bearcat was the fastest prop stock warbird ever made... Would be just as bad as a B29 though.
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whatever. i would like to see the B-29.
the nukes would be a historically accurate bonus.
it's just not that retarded.
a bomb is a bomb is a bomb.
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Im going to have to agree with Kurt if they did add that plane it be a beast lol unstopable :)
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yeah, thats the thing everyone forgets about the B29... It is not just a bigger bomber...
The ME163, and the ME262 were SPECIFICALLY designed to counter the B29... (when the Germans believed it was going to be deployed in Europe)The B29 was such a GIANT leap forward that it was largely untouchable by any conventional fighter. It was faster than many of the fighters of the time and flew much higher.
It would walk in ranks across the AH maps and there would be no other fight than to try to stop the B29... Thats not fun gaming. Thats just poo.
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Late-1944 F4U-1A
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Originally posted by Saxman
Late-1944 F4U-1A
YES.
But, also:
(http://www.goana.com.au/Gossips/Gossip29/images/Boomerangs.jpg)
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Originally posted by Kurt
yeah, thats the thing everyone forgets about the B29... It is not just a bigger bomber...
The ME163, and the ME262 were SPECIFICALLY designed to counter the B29... (when the Germans believed it was going to be deployed in Europe)The B29 was such a GIANT leap forward that it was largely untouchable by any conventional fighter.
It would walk in ranks across the AH maps and there would be no other fight than to try to stop the B29... Thats not fun gaming. Thats just poo.
is this game also about stopping the 262...pretty big difference on that one isnt there?
yep.
they are expensive...thats why you dont have a game of nothing but 262 battles isnt it?
(we have la la battles instead...lol)
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P-63 Kingcobra.
Prolly be a hanger queen after the first month but it's nice to dream.:D
(http://www.asdl.gatech.edu/people/nborer/caf/p-63/images/other_aircraft/43-11719_1.jpg)
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Originally posted by Kurt
It would walk in ranks across the AH maps and there would be no other fight than to try to stop the B29... Thats not fun gaming. Thats just poo.
For the first few months, sure, while the bomber guys finally have something to waste their 20,000 perks on. Once that phase is over it will be no more annoying then 262's already are.
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Originally posted by JB88
is this game also about stopping the 262...pretty big difference on that one isnt there?
yep.
they are expensive...thats why you dont have a game of nothing but 262 battles isnt it?
No, the reason you don't have an arena full of 262's is that they suck. If the Spit14 cost the same as a 262 I would take a spit14 every day and twice on sunday.
You wanna know how to defeat a 262... Easy... TURN. I teach this complex tactic to my squad and not one has ever been killed by a 262. (excluding when flying a goon... 262's are efficient goon killers) Heck, I shot down a 262 with a zeke... All the 262 brings to the party is fear. Learn that the fear is stupid and suddenly they are not a threat.
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hummm i likw the idea of the F4U-1A
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It is horribly outmatched by the uber planes, but I miss the P39 from when I flew Warbirds. There's something about a 1.5K kill with the 37 mm that just warms my soul...well it would if I had one.
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yahoooo P-39 here here!:aok
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I'd have to see the P39s make it into the game. While they would likely get chewed up most of the time in the MA, I just happen to think that is a really good looking bird. I would also like to see a P61, but the scenario in which it would be useful, or used historically, doesn't currently exist in the game, so it would probably just be armed bait just like the P39.
A B 25 might be fun as well. I'd like to HO cartoon people with an artillery piece. That would hown.
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Well then...my .02$.
Taking it from the top(or the bottom, in this case),from 1939-40:
The Fokker XXI
The Fairey swordfish
The Fairey Battle
The Bristol Blenheim
The Brewster Buffalo
The Vultee Vindicator
The Mitsubishi A5m
The Polikarpov I-16 and I-153
The D.520
The Short Stirling
The P-36
The Seversky P-35
The B-17B and C
The HE-111
The Do-17 and 217
The Ju-52.......Heck, the list just goes on:confused:
That's not even all of the early war rides I can get a book out and look up. The thing is, apart from historical scenarios(AvA) These would hardly ever fly the MA. They would be fun, sure, but It's already hard to fly a non-Spit or non-LALA ride in there now, as it is. The late war rides that we DON'T have, did'nt fly very much, or not at all, operationally. It would also be unfair to introduce something like, Oh, a Do-335, without giving the allies something to match it(If you could find a close match.)
So, here's to hoping that the next addition will NOT be an uber plane like a B-29 or 335, But rather something more docile(P-39 would be almost ideal!!!!)
-Frode
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Both P-61 and P-39 both be wonderfull to see in game but ur right hubs wouldnt be a great MA plane but mabey like u said for FOS or somthin like that?
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Only one, eh?
I'm interested in any aircraft used extensively that isn't already in Aces High. I don't know about non-US planes in this regard, but for the US, here are the production fighters, with numbers produced listed (from America's Hundred Thousand):
P-47, 15683
P-51, 15486
P-40, 13143
F6F, 12275
F4U, 11514
P-38, 10037
P-39, 9529 <--- not in AH yet
F4F/FM, 7905
For bombers (from https://www.airforcehistory.hq.af.mil/PopTopics/AAFaircraft.htm and others):
B-24, 18190
B-17, 12692
B-25, 9186 <-- not yet in AH
A-20, 7385
B-26, 5157
TBM, 9837
SB2C, 7140 <--- not yet in AH
SBD, 5936
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B29 if it was perked and available only from 163 bases. That way you'd have be willing to spend the perks as well as fly it across the map. Would also give the other countries time to see it coming and counter it with 262's and/or high ponies etc. In this configuration it could be an interesting but not overwhelming addition to the game.
Did the 29 have a radar controlled rear turret? On all variants? HT could mount a field auto-ack on the back to model this. LOL.
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Probably He-111 or the Do-17/217 for Blitzkrieg and Battle of Britain events.
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Hard choice.
Dehaviland Hornet would be so much fun, but it would be cheating to use it as it is post war.
So I am torn between the H8K2, Ki-44, J2M3, Me410 and Ju188A-2.
If it could just magically appear in the game, the H8K2 as the ammount of work that SUPERFLY or NATEDOG would need to do for the interior is insane.
If I were to get to pick the next aircraft for HTC to do, then the Me410 I think. Ju188A-2 maybe.
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P51A - Brit version 4 x 20mm hispanos.
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I'd like to see the A-10 Thunderbolt added. I need something that stands a chance against the LTARDS. ;)
Or, the Bearcat.
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Either YB-40
Or
B25-H
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Ta152C-0.
It actually served along with H-1s, but was not a full production model.
4x MG151/20s, plus a 30mm through the hub, it had short wings for better roll, and a lower altitude engine (but climb was atrocious)
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Only one... It has got to be the Brewster Model 239.
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Originally posted by Enduro
I'd like to see the A-10 Thunderbolt added. I need something that stands a chance against the LTARDS. ;)
Only if we get the Wirbelwind . . . :D
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F8 bearcat.
or.. if that would upset too many... at the other end of the spectrum..
A36 or early allison powered peee 51. At low alt it would be a great plane. Would outhandle the heavier merlin ones and at low alt... be just as fast. What a concept... a peeee 51 that would fight.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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The TBD
It looks too cool with the torp slung under it. I know putting any plane under 1944 is pointless, but it would be nice.
Or B25 with different gun packages
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Do-335 Pfeil (Arrow)
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This plane and this plane only:
(http://ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2005/03/images/iar80_09.jpg)
I.A.R. 81c
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My .02 Cents worth (not that it matters:))
For fighters the F8F works for me.
For Bomber, the B-25 hands down. The B-29 would work even if it had HE and Incindiaries only and NOT the nuke. One flight of B-29s with incindiaries would level a town.
Hey guys, this is just a dream! HiTech has his hands full with the birds in the game now, plus CT. Don't think this is going to happen anytime soon.
NAVCAD
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P-39, P-61, or B-25
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Bah you shouldn't list a plane that actually has a chance, lol! I said the Ta152C-0 because it has NO chance of getting in this game, and if I had 1 wish it would include it. The others can get into the game the normal way (:lol)
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Dimensions:
Wing span: 57 ft. 10 in. (17.64 m)
Length: 41 ft. 4 in. (12.59 m)
Height: 15 ft. 10 in. (4.84 m)
Weights:
Empty: 15,592 lb (7,072 kg)
Maximum: 25,400 lb. (11,521 kg)
Disposable Load: 9,808 lb. (4,448 kg)
Performance:
Maximum Speed: 305 m.p.h. (490 km/h) @ sea-level.
320 m.p.h. (514 km/h) @ 10,000 ft. (3,048 m)
Service Ceiling: 19,000 ft. (5,791 m) (without torpedo)
Range: 1,400 miles (2,253 km) with torpedo and normal fuel.
1,750 miles (2,816 km) with torpedo and long-range tanks.
Powerplant:
Two Bristol Hercules XVII fourteen-cylinder two-row sleeve-valve radial engines rated at 1,725 h.p. (1,286 kw) @ 2,900 r.p.m. for take-off and
1,395 h.p. (1,040 kw) @ 2,400 r.p.m. at 1,500 ft. (457 m).
Armament:
Four 20-mm. Hispano cannon in the fuselage nose and six 0.303-in. machine-guns in the wings and one 0.303-in. Vickers "K" or Browning gun in the dorsal position. One 18-in. torpedo externally under fuselage. Eight rocket projectiles could be carried as alternative to the wing guns.
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The SeaHurricane
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As long as you realize most had 8x303cals (not the 4x20mm) :cool:
I'd like to see one as well.
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SR-71 Blackbird
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Going to get this posted before Dan does.
If I only get one here it is.
The Spitfire Mk. XII
(http://www.luchtoorlog.be/img/spit_xii/41.jpg)
(http://www.spitfireperformance.com/41sqdn-spit12.jpg)
First operational sortie in April 1943.
Bronk
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(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1011_1156347278_junkers_ju52_3m.jpg)
Junkers JU 52. Tri-motor transport for troops and supplies.
Then the allied ride jocks won't feel so bad about shooting down "Das Goon". ;)
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Stamp whats the difrence between that and the C-47 we have now?
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Originally posted by Kurt
No, the reason you don't have an arena full of 262's is that they suck. If the Spit14 cost the same as a 262 I would take a spit14 every day and twice on sunday.
You wanna know how to defeat a 262... Easy... TURN. I teach this complex tactic to my squad and not one has ever been killed by a 262. (excluding when flying a goon... 262's are efficient goon killers) Heck, I shot down a 262 with a zeke... All the 262 brings to the party is fear. Learn that the fear is stupid and suddenly they are not a threat.
I guess you never ran into Fester in his 262 ... point is ... a 262 in the right hands is EXTREMLY deadly.
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Variety is nice, yes? We have lots of fighters, bombers, tanks, anti-air vehicles, even jeeps and Patrol torpedo boats. Only one air transport though. The 52 "was" the C-47 of the LW, filling many support and combat roles.
The 52 4M also was outfitted with a top gunner armed with a Daisy 880 pump action bb gun.
My choice, "if I could have just one..."
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CC was just wondering ty for the imput
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Not that it would be the ONE plane I would wish for but if we have to have a new german transport why not the AR-232?
(http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW/Ar232-1s.jpg)
You will note the 20mm cannon on top, 13mm in the nose and it has 1 or 2 13mm's in the rear. Speed about the same as the C-47. I would even think about using a small amount of perks to have that little bit of added security for my troops. :)
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P-61
B-29
B-25
P-80
Ki-43
Ki-100
And EVERY OTHER Combat Flying Machine deployed in squadron strength between 1935 and 1945
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I vote for the P-39. It was used extensively on the Eastern Front and in the early war years in the Pacific.
The B-25 might be nice but since it is pretty similar to the B-26, I don't really see the point in getting it. I would much rather see the He-111.
The B-29 has a different gunner setup, if I remember correctly, there was only one guy that controlled all the guns. How would they model that? As for the A-bomb, it sounds like a lot of trouble for something that was only used twice.
It would be fun to have a Tallboy for the Lancs though, or a Grand Slam. Something sort of like a A-bomb, but not quite. Just conventional explosives.
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(http://www.shopnbu.com/classic-pedal-planes-retro-ride-on-toys/american-retro-airplanes/american-retro-classic-pedal-plane-pretty-in-pink-airplane-ride-on-rear.jpg)
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(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/viper215/p38H.jpg)
38H
no questions...
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i think the Do335 Pfeil would be great fun.
He 177 Greif, with engine fires and structural failiers
He 219 Uhu with all the weapon options.
He162 salamander, cos its looks like a buck rodgers ship
i know we don't need any more german stuff.. but although most of it was crap, it still looked cool.
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One of these
Japanese Betty
FW-189
Swordfish
P-39 and P-61
I-16
Yak-3 and more Yak-9 variants
Hurricane IIb and Sea Hurricane.
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Swordfish isnt a bad thought
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My one choice would be either:
A) P-82 Twin Mustang (1946)
B) P-61 Black Widow
I don't know what practical advantage or use they might have. My choice is based purely on the coolness factor...
PS...Fairey Swordfish? A biplane? How would you survive more than 18 seconds?
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Goomba its the thought that counts lol
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Swordfish Pilots Never say Die, right? :D
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B-25 C model strafer name Quitch.
:)
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B-25 = Fun at TT :)
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Originally posted by SELECTOR
i think the Do335 Pfeil would be great fun.
He 177 Greif, with engine fires and structural failiers
He 219 Uhu with all the weapon options.
He162 salamander, cos its looks like a buck rodgers ship
i know we don't need any more german stuff.. but although most of it was crap, it still looked cool.
I'm torn between the Do-335 and the He-162 myself. Either would be a great addition to the MA. I think I'd like to see the He-162, although I think it would have to be perked hard to prevent it from becoming too dominant. A light, agile 500mph jet-driven bird with 2 x 20mm or 2 x 30mm cannons would be an ugly thing to meet, but a lovely thing to fly ;)
EagleDNY
$.02
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Douglas A-26 Invader
The A-26, the last aircraft designated as an "attack bomber," was designed to replace the Douglas A-20 Havoc/Boston. It incorporated many improvements over the earlier Douglas designs. The first three XA-26 prototypes first flew in July 1942, and each was configured differently: Number One as a daylight bomber with a glass nose, Number Two as a gun-laden night-fighter, and Number Three as a ground-attack platform, with a 75-millimeter cannon in the nose. This final variant, eventually called the A-26B, was chosen for production.
Upon its delivery to the 9th Air Force in Europe in November 1944 (and the Pacific Theater shortly thereafter), the A-26 became the fastest US bomber of WWII. The A-26C, with slightly-modified armament, was introduced in 1945. Following the war, the A-26 was updated and adapted as the needs of the new U.S. Air Force changed. It is the only combat aircraft to see active service in World War II, Korea, and Vietnam.
I used to love this bird in AW. Was a great turn fighter, and could you imagine having the 75mm version...LTARS would be hating life....LOL
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/B-26.jpg)
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MiG-3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And if not then P-39!!!!
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P-39/P-400
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P-39/P-63
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Mosq i just had a squadi suggest the same thing in the game lol
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I'd like to see the He-111.
BoB just isn't immersive when it's all Ju-88's .. the Ju-88 was the hotrod uber-buff of 1940-41.
The Heinkel did most of the work.
-GE
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Roughly 2500 Invaders built and only 35 of those with your 75 mm.
I think the B-25C must come first.
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P-61... if I only get one wish.
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P-39 seems to be getting a lot of noods:)
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Its crystal clear what this game needs most, is any variant of the la7, or spitfire.
May as well give the dweebs more options of the most common planes in AH. Why have more Coad time wasted on planes NO ONE will fly???
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Huh??:huh :huh
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Originally posted by goldelks
Huh??:huh :huh
seems like simple english to me, I looked for typos- none found.
My position is based on what MOST current AH pilots choose to fly.... la7 & spitfire.
My point is... why waste HTC time and energy with anything other than the most popular choices??? I mean .... shouldn't they be working on the already 2 years late TOD?, instead of designing some valid, yet obscure plane that will be overlooked for an la7 or any version of the (already 5 in existance.:could be more... that's all I could recall.......) spitfire?
If its new planes for AH2 you seek- then lets have more of the planes that are most popular.
Let's be realistic about our cartoon plane playground.......
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IL-10 would be nice, also (perked) HE-219 Uhu with the 4x30mm and 2x20mm package. Could also add the 2 upward-oblique firing 30mm's for buff hunting. Maybe an A-26 for you nostalgic Air Warrior types.
-MI-
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Yep, the Betty would be a very good addition, as would the He 111.
Mostly, I'm interested in planes that would add to scenarios.
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Originally posted by Goomba
PS...Fairey Swordfish? A biplane? How would you survive more than 18 seconds?
In something that slow and maneuverable, how could the other guy slow down enough to get a decent shot?? :) Also consider that its mostly fabric and light wood, cannon rounds would be next to useless unless you hit the engine. Can you imagine a flight of them on a torp raid? Taranto anyone? :)
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1946 opens for a lot of planes.
P-80 and an upgraded Meteor.
Or DeHavilland Hornet, F7F, F8F etc...
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no question : Yak3 with Normandie-Niémen colour
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P-40N....why not? It was more commonly produced than the B and E....could carry 5 500lb bombs instead of 1, same gun package, and faster....what more do you need?????????
as a side note, I love Hondo's choice of A-26 Invader
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Mako and his P40s again :)
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Mako and his P40s again :)
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P61 for sure.:aok
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I've wanted the A-26 forever. I gave up asking a long time ago. I would also like to see the A-36 "Apache" 4 x20mm, ground attack verison of the P-51, early model. Allison engine.
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Yak 3
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Originally posted by Goomba
Swordfish Pilots Never say Die, right? :D
.....because they dont survive long enough to say anything?
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:rofl :rofl
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.Fairey Swordfish? A biplane? How would you survive more than 18 seconds? [/B][/QUote
A swordfish took down the Bismark!
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Originally posted by SkyRock
.Fairey Swordfish? A biplane? How would you survive more than 18 seconds? [/B][/QUote
A swordfish took down the Bismark! [/B]
Nop.
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:lol
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They fly kinda low to the ground, but :
T34/85
M4 Sherman
Whirblewind
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ok corse ltar asks for a tank lol im just playing
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i really think that it should be a bomber.
kind of silly to accumulate perkies for bombers if you barely have anything to use them on.
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i really think that it should be a bomber.
kind of silly to accumulate perkies for bombers if you barely have anything to use them on.
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Theres the Ar-234's those r aways fun to fly threw a furball with :)
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B-29 with nukes that can kill one base and town
with one bomb.
1) should cost something like 400 Bomber points.
2) they should be limited.
Have 15 players in each country given the opportunity
to fly one at random. So when you log on you would
be randomly selected as having the B-29 enabled and
would get a message at login that said something like:
You are eligible for the B-29 if you have sufficient points
accrued".
They would be fun and limited as I have outlined would
not be able to overwhelm the game. Imagine all the
attention they would get too. Upping one would
almost assuradely be a suicide mission.
It would also encourage more Bomber missions so
players wouyld be sure to have enough perks if
they are lucky enough to be enabled.
Failing that, a B-25 C/D "Air Apache" would be sweet!
Followed by:
Heinkel He-111
Mitsubishi G4M "Betty"
And finally, a Gato-class submarine! ;)
Flame away! :D
David "96Delta"
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Originally posted by Atoon
My position is based on what MOST current AH pilots choose to fly.... la7 & spitfire.
Didn't realize less than 20% recently qualified as "Most". Did they change that definition at the same time they changed the definition of "planet" to exclude Pluto? :confused:
Oh, Wirbelwind, Sherman Firefly, Hetzer. :D
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96Delta B-29 with nukes that can kill one base and town
Ya no lol i get what ur saying lol Hitech will jsut never let it happen. Also one thing every one that is asking for the B29 is forget on 2 nukes were droped it wasnt it normal payload peaple, aslo since the B29 had a remot control gun system it would be VERY dificult to program. One last coment VERY few planes besides the ME 163 and ME 262 could catch it so the B29 vurtually would be unstoplable. and if u want to fo eaven further u cant really counth the ME 262 and 163 becouse there wernt in the Pacific theater the B29 and 163/262 never met in combat!
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I suppose if we are talking about historical rolling plane sets or scenarios, the B25 should be my first choice, but, if we are talking Main Arena, I want the:
A26 Invader. Don't need the cannon: 6 or 8 (?) fifties in the nose will do just fine.
B25 H is my second choice only because we have an A20 that rocks. That 75mm cannon in the B25H would add a LOT of excitement to the mix though. I have "flown" one in WB, and a whole squadron of those things bearing down on you is a gruesome sight. Don't forget the parafrag bombs either. Fun fun fun.
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
Nop.
A torpedo dropped by a swordfish hit both rudders and jammed them causing the Bismark to become unmanuverable and lead to the slaughter of the ship by the royal navy!
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The Germans scuttled it to prevent capture.
Bronk
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For the fighter/attack guys: P-39N Airacobra
For the bomber/attack guys: B-25J, solid nose, 12 .50 cal mgs
For the furballer guys: Brewster 239 or 339 Buffalo
For the "I hate the La-7" guys: P-63C King Cobra
For the Japanese fans: Ki-44
For the Soviet fans: Yak-3
For the Luftwobbles: Ju 88G-1
For the Italianos: Fiat G-55
For the Big Blue boys: F6F-3
For the Buff Drivers: G4M2a Betty
For the Brits: Spitfire Mk.XII
For thr Yanks: P-38H
Any of the above would be welcomed by me.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
P-38H
Thats my boy!!!!:lol
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(http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/3758/b29.jpg)
For the sheer FUN factor, this is "da bomb"! :lol
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http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/aircraft_images/main_images/cr42falco.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/fiat-cr42-falco.htm&h=214&w=350&sz=16&hl=en&start=10&tbnid=tlpbqTcFp5N-ZM:&tbnh=73&tbnw=120&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfiat%2Baircraft%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26rls%3DGGLG,GGLG:2006-18,GGLG:en (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/aircraft_images/main_images/cr42falco.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/fiat-cr42-falco.htm&h=214&w=350&sz=16&hl=en&start=10&tbnid=tlpbqTcFp5N-ZM:&tbnh=73&tbnw=120&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfiat%2Baircraft%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26rls%3DGGLG,GGLG:2006-18,GGLG:en)
Ill take a Fiat Cr42. thanks
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WW: Ju88G-6 please! :P Never mind the G-1 when the G-6/7 is better!
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Again you will never see the B29 in Ace High
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It's scheduled for 2012 release date, but it's in the queue!
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Lol krusty:lol
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I believe the answer is clear. The aeroplane that Aces High II needs most is the Fairey Battle, if only to illustrate the bravery of Fairey Battle crewmembers. They must have had balls of iron.
The Battle fascinates me. It looks like a speed demon but it was awful in every respect. It must have been the worst military plane ever to have a Merlin engine. The Defiant has fans but no-one defends the Battle.
A Westland Lysander would be happy. It could drop saboteurs on enemy bases. And it was originally used as a light bomber/strafing aircraft. You'd have to add the Storch as well, which would be fun to fly at the least.
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He-111
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Originally posted by goldelks
Again you will never see the B29 in Ace High
fine. but what about in "ACES high" ?
heh.
ahem.
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Shouldn't this be in Wish List?
Well, the Axis could use another bomber in the line up, and buff pilots could use something other that Ar234 to spend perks on, but from a personal point of view:
A-26B-60-DL Invader
Performance
* Maximum speed: 355 mph (308 knots, 570 km/h)
* Range: 1,400 mi (1,200 nm, 2,300 km)
* Service ceiling: 22,000 ft (6,700 m)
* Rate of climb: 1,250 ft/min (6.4 m/s)
* Wing loading: 51 lb/ft� (250 kg/m�)
* Power/mass: 0.145 hp/lb (108 W/kg)
Armament
* Guns:
o 8� 0.50 in (12.7 mm) M2 machine guns in the nose
o 6� 0.50 in M2 machine guns in the wings
o 2� 0.50 in M2 machine guns in remote-controlled dorsal turret
o 2� 0.50 in M2 machine guns in remote-controlled ventral turret
* Bombs: 6,000 lb (2,700 kg)-4,000 lb in the bomb bay and 2,000 lb external on the wings
And tell me where the LTARS are at.
My second choice would be a fun little Yak-3
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It would be fun to bomb them ltars :)
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Didn't you know? LTARs have been spotted more and more in lgay's trying to pork fields, usually in large hordes. Or in p51s diving in nice coordinated groups from 20k down to 2k to drop their bombs then vulch as much as they can before running away :)
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:rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Mustaine
Do-335 Pfeil (Arrow)
And I thought I was the only one. Did the Pfiel ever score a kill? A neat quote from the wikipedia.
"In his book The Big Show, French ace Pierre Clostermann claims the first Allied combat encounter with a Pfeil in April 1945. Leading a flight of four Hawker Tempests from No. 3 Squadron RAF over northern Germany, he intercepted by chance a lone Do 335 flying at maximum speed at treetop level. Detecting the British aircraft, the German pilot reversed course to evade. In spite of the Tempest's considerable speed (equal to a P-51 Mustang's), the RAF fighters were not able to catch up or even get into firing position."
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/Do_335-1.JPG/800px-Do_335-1.JPG)
And my personal favorite airplane, ever.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9a/Go229.jpg)
600+mph, A-A rockets, and simply the most beautiful aircraft ever designed.
g00b
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lol loooks like the stealth bomber thing
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Originally posted by 96Delta
(http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/3758/b29.jpg)
For the sheer FUN factor, this is "da bomb"! :lol
You TOTALLY blew this post by not saying...
WITH A NOOK D00D!!!!
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Originally posted by Widewing
For the Soviet fans: Yak-3
Widewing
Oh, that would be a fun addition. They have a non-airworthy YAK-3 at the local CAF Museum here in S. California. Interesting little bird... Very very little. It makes the Spit 14 look like a 747.
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i am wondering, given advances in techonology, if it wouldnt be a waste to add anything too unworthy in a battle. meaning, would it even make sense to add an early war plane before adding a later one?
would it satisfy your need for speed?
just curious.
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after all france was apart of the war
and the d.520 faught the b4 and after the capture
hell germans even used them for trainers
(http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/1954/d520zi7.jpg)
Crew: One
Length: 8.7 m (28 ft 8 in)
Wingspan: 33 ft 6 in (10.2 m)
Height: 2.6 m (8 ft 5 in)
Empty weight: 2,090 kg (4,608 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 2,780 kg (6,129 lb)
Powerplant: 1× Hispano-Suiza 12Y-45 liquid-cooled V-12, 690 kW (930 hp)
Performance
Maximum speed: 529 km/h (329 mph)
Range: 1,250 km (777 mi)
Wing loading: kg/m² (lb/ft²)
Power/mass: kW/kg (hp/lb)
Armament
1x 20 mm cannon
4x 7.5 mm machine guns
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I like the idea of a french plane alot :)
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Ju87-G
In the Russian front, a new version of the Stuka was developed, the Ju-87 G was no longer a dive bomber. Instead it was equipped with two 37mm anti-tank guns. Although these guns were no longer effective in ground use against the front thick armor of the modern Russian tanks, they were still very lethal against the much thinner rear and top armor of those tanks. This was basically the German equivalent of the Russian Sturmovik which also used to attack German tanks from the rear. The Stuka excelled in this new dedicated anti-tank role too, although it remained easy prey for fighters. A total number of over 5700 Stuka dive bombers were produced, and until the end of the war there was no new German dive bomber which replaced it.
World War 2 produced quite many German aces, and some of them survived long enough and excelled so much that they had almost unbelievable records. Their ever increasing combat achievements, and repeated acts of bravery, were such that the German military used a score system to award its heroes with medals, and new higher levels of the Knights Cross medal were introduced, representing ever higher scores. Of the top group of German war heroes, which included mostly fighter pilots and submarine captains, the highest decorated one, the only recipient of the highest level of the Knights Cross medal, was a Stuka pilot, Hans Ulrich Rudel.
Rudel personally destroyed 519 Russian tanks, and a huge number of other targets, in over 2500 combat missions over the Russian front. He also committed several acts of great bravery, including landings in enemy territory and in the battlefield to rescue downed comrades by taking them back in the small cockpit of the Stuka. In one of those rescue attempts, Rudel's Stuka was stuck in mud, so he and his gunner and comrades had to escape the chasing Russian soldiers on foot all the way back to German lines.
Hans-Ulrich Rudel was born on July 2nd 1916 in Konradswaldau, Silesia. He was the son of a clergyman. In contrast to his later accomplishments and bravery his childhood was rather peaceful and mundane. He was an average student and fairly timid. His only passion which he developed upon in later years was his love for athletics. This led to his becoming a master of the decathlon. His many accomplishments in school as well as a member of the Hitler youth led many to believe that he had a future at the Olympics. After his final exams, however, he wanted to become a commercial pilot.
His father did not have the financial means to support his ambitions. The desire to fly led him to enlist in the Wehrmacht. He began his basic military training on December 4th 1936. During mid 1937, pilot training followed. He was transferred to Graz-Thalerhof in June of 1938 as an officer cadet with the first Gruppe of Stukageschwader 168. There, he flew the Ju-87 for the first time. Things were not the way he would have liked. He was referred to by his superiors and fellow cadets as a “head case”. He stood by his old principles; early to bed; drink only milk and no ladies please. On can imagine how fellow pilot cadets would react to such an individual. When the war began he could not wait to be sent to the front. He was repeatedly turned down and instead of going through channels he applied directly to the Headquarters of the Luftwaffe (Reichsluftfahrtsministerium). In order to quiet this thorn in the side, he got his wish.
He flew 2530 missions against the enemy. Whilst doing so he destroyed 519 Russian tanks, a battleship, a cruiser, a destroyer, 70 landing craft, over 800 motorized vehicles, over 150artillery, anti-tank and anti-aircraft positions. Furthermore he destroyed important bridges, supply lines and bunkers. (One can increase these numbers since many of his missions were flown without the knowledge of the Reich’s leadership and the tallies were assigned to the Geschwader. Hitler forbade his flying because he did not want him lost to the propaganda machine). Rudel was shot down 30 times, and he was wounded 5 times. He also saved six crews downed behind enemy lines and escaped once from Russian captivity. He was decorated with the highest award for bravery in the German armed forces. He received the golden oak leaves with swords and diamonds to the Knights Cross. His iron will was remarkable.
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i170/Dablues/hsgs9054.jpg)
:aok
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IAR series (probably 80A and 81C)
P-39D/P-400 (differed in only the cannon mounted)
P-40N
Ki-43
Ki-44
Ki45
D4Y
G4M
A6M3
J2M
B6N
Ju52
He-111
He-177
D.520
Ms.406
Blenheim
B-25C and/or J
B-17E/F
B-24D
SB2C
TBD
More Italian Planes
More Russian Planes...
etc etc etc
Way too many to pick one.
How about getting everything (especially the Hurris and P-40s) up to the visual standards of the P-51, P-47 and P-38 series we now have before worrying about anything new?
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Originally posted by JB88
whatever. i would like to see the B-29.
the nukes would be a historically accurate bonus.
it's just not that retarded.
a bomb is a bomb is a bomb.
Yeah, but only a nuke can continue to cause damage 20 years after it's dropped...that's why the nuke is just plain retarded to even think of putting in the game. The B-29 was not as efficient a bomber as everyone likes to think. Sure, it had A LOT of tech advances over it's older and aging counterparts, but she had many bugs of her own, ranging from the guns not working in unison, to engines flaming out (a nearly EVERY flight occurance), to sights not being accurate enough for the alt. that they flew at. Yes, I too would absolutely LOVE to see the B-29 enter the arena, and perked much higher than the lame AR234s(aka-USELESS POS)...but with absolutely no need for nukes. If you could nuke a field, then you have to think of the after effect...you can't use that field again...ever...under any circumstance. Radioactivity does NOT "just go away." Long story short, yes, that was a retarded extreme JB88.
Me personally, the only reason I want to see the B-29 enter the game is because she was a BEAUTIFUL bomber...none before, or since has matched it's beauty in my mind. And I'd like something to actually spend my perks on...the 234 is the only available at the moment...and it's worthless.
I could go for the bird dog though...that would be fun for FAC purposes...like gunners attacking something 9k out.
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LA 9 :t
Bob/CHECKERS
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We need a French plane as a drone, like the old c-47s in Air Warrior. Let one loose occassionally to fly around to be randomly killed. Should get a vox message- "Vive la France!" & a scream as it goes down.
-MI-
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:lol
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Originally posted by lambo522
Yeah, but only a nuke can continue to cause damage 20 years after it's dropped...that's why the nuke is just plain retarded to even think of putting in the game. The B-29 was not as efficient a bomber as everyone likes to think. Sure, it had A LOT of tech advances over it's older and aging counterparts, but she had many bugs of her own, ranging from the guns not working in unison, to engines flaming out (a nearly EVERY flight occurance), to sights not being accurate enough for the alt. that they flew at. Yes, I too would absolutely LOVE to see the B-29 enter the arena, and perked much higher than the lame AR234s(aka-USELESS POS)...but with absolutely no need for nukes. If you could nuke a field, then you have to think of the after effect...you can't use that field again...ever...under any circumstance. Radioactivity does NOT "just go away." Long story short, yes, that was a retarded extreme JB88.
Me personally, the only reason I want to see the B-29 enter the game is because she was a BEAUTIFUL bomber...none before, or since has matched it's beauty in my mind. And I'd like something to actually spend my perks on...the 234 is the only available at the moment...and it's worthless.
I could go for the bird dog though...that would be fun for FAC purposes...like gunners attacking something 9k out.
oooooh...so you mean that the whole, city rebuilds itself after having to be completely leveled to the exact last buiding before you can get exactly 10 troops in there is really following the actuality of a warfare environment?
sorry man, but it doesnt work that way either now does it...hangers dont just "rebuild themselves exactly 10 minutes after they have been blown to smithereens in real life either.
this is a game.
the bomb was developed by the US and deployed by the US air force and served as a major contributor to the outcome of the war.
it's just not that bad of an idea...and it certainly isnt retarded or worth the unseasoned pork that one seems to have to wade though to even discuss it.
sure, i can see where we could get into all sort of ethical questions regarding its deployment. (for a HUGE amount of perks) you just wouldnt see it all that often after most have thrown away thier bomber perks and tried it out.
perhaps what bothers people is the idea that something external can just come along and blow them up without thier being able to stop it without being prepared or get out of its way when it goes.
but thats war man. and it is what actually happened.
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I'm glad everyone finally realized how awesome the SCW planeset would be. :D
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Originally posted by Kurt
Oh, that would be a fun addition. They have a non-airworthy YAK-3 at the local CAF Museum here in S. California. Interesting little bird... Very very little. It makes the Spit 14 look like a 747.
Wikipedia has a pretty decent write up with specifications and details on the Yak-3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yak-3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yak-3)
It would be a fun little ride.
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Originally posted by CHECKERS
LA 9 :t
Bob/CHECKERS
"The new fighter, officially designated La-9, entered production in August 1946. A total of 1,559 aircraft were built by the end of production in 1948"
Sorry, a post-war fighter if there ever was one. Prototype wasn't even finished until 1946.
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Ki-43 Oscar
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he-111
and for gvs: truck
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The thread is labeld one plane, intresting that people keep hijacking it with lists maybe they cant decide which they want?
I want He177 + FX 1 bomb. Radio guided from the bombsite position. Give the bomber pilots something to play with :) Have the bomb perked, its perfect for CV kills.
What the taskgroup turns? No Problem, i can guide the bomb.
What a He177 over my taskgroup? Good God hope he doesnt have FXs loaded!
cu schutt
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Originally posted by Schutt
The thread is labeld one plane, intresting that people keep hijacking it with lists maybe they cant decide which they want?
I want He177 + FX 1 bomb. Radio guided from the bombsite position. Give the bomber pilots something to play with :) Have the bomb perked, its perfect for CV kills.
What the taskgroup turns? No Problem, i can guide the bomb.
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cu schutt
The glide, guided, and rocket bombs of those German planes I believe is why we won't see any newer German medium or heavy bombers in AHII. Whole new model and code required. If we have the bomber, folks will complain for those kinds of bombs.
Similar to why we won't see B-25--- folks will whine for them to be a Carrier-launchable plane ala Doolittle's Raid. Or the B-29...."We want a nuke" crowd. Also funny how many requests I see for POST-WWII planes in the boards at times as well.
Buff drivers really could use a second perked bomber in the line-up. Something other than the Arado.
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I know what I want. I want my late-1944 F4U-1A with paddle prop. I mean, just THINK of all the awesome skin possibilities that would FINALLY give Blue Plane fans the love all those Pony and Spit dweebs get. You could fill out almost the entire original Jolly Rogers!
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Casting my vote for a B-29.
Make it a perk plane, give me something worth flying to spend my bomber perks on.
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:rolleyes: we will never get the b-29 its just to powerfull
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1. How About HE111
2. Still love the PBY idea drop mine infront of task force, pick up down pilots for points/pilot pick up saves points
3. Blimps over fiels would be great effect for vulching
4. love to see the tow behind gliders behind c47's with small tank inside or troops
5. Silent hunter with subs!
6 I agreed carrier based b25
7. any flying boat that could lanch a tank
8. command individual destroyers with torps and depth charges
9.victoria secret store open in town
10. real advertisements on billboards at towns payed to hitech from companies like Coke pepsi?
11.did somebody say tunnels
12.nothing wrong with night time
13. would it be cool to have those large landing craft that had like 4-6 tanks in them??individual manning them at a beach landing?
14. ok v2 rockets sites to launch rockets ??
15. ok how about those big blimps that had a plane to launch underneath them?
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I would love to see the B29 just to have something to spend perks on. No nuke required, it carries enough bombs as it is. And as a mover of dirt, a B25H please.
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I want this toys, to smoke all the B29 lovers above:)
(http://www.rb-29.net/HTML/04.PAAvtnArt/PAShowScans/LateAdditions5/Natters.gif)
(http://www5.in.tum.de/lehre/seminare/math_nszeit/SS03/vortraege/kriegd/images/heinkel_01.jpg)
(http://www.flight-depot.com/cms/images/heinkelhe1623_513.jpg)
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my votes for the JU-87G {in care of uberhun}
and the p39 {oldsmobile 37mm}/p400{reengined british model returnd to the states}
lol by the by I read an old p39'rs joke,,what is a P400?,....a p40 with a zero on its buttt..
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Originally posted by 999000
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9.victoria secret store open in town
10. real advertisements on billboards at towns payed to hitech from companies like Coke pepsi?
?
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Want a strip club for troopers in town ? they may run faster?!
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LMAO:rofl :rofl :rofl
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F82 Twin Mustang would be interesting
.(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/F82_twin_mustang.jpg)
F-82 Twin Mustang. North American. The Japan-based F-82s were among the first USAF aircraft to operate over Korea. The first three North Korean airplanes destroyed by US forces were shot down by F-82s on June 27, 1950. Called the Twin Mustang, the F-82 appeared to be two halves of an F-51 joined together with a wing center section and horizontal stabilizer. The aircraft first flew in 1945. It was intended for use as an ultra-long-range escort fighter and a night fighter. The F-82s were powered by two 1,600-hp Allison V-1710 engines. Used initially for counterair and ground attack work, their importance as night fighters caused them to be withdrawn for defense purposes until a shortage of spare parts made it necessary to retire them from combat
Also,Im suprised they already dont have the A26,I remember what fun they were in AW3
or maybe,just for them 262's,the F-80 Starfighter,there were 4 sent overseas,but they never saw action in WW2 due to a crash and being pulled from service.
on the B-29,if enough ppl wanted em,why dont they do like a only on sunday deal,or once a month thing like aw3 did w/262's?
just a thought
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I would like Go 229, to beat SNIPER's genetic mutant ugly twin P51:)
(http://www.icarusgold.com/s/gotha229big2.jpg)(http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Bilder/HoIX/HoIX-1.jpg)
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lol you call MINE ugly???????????most beautiful aircraft ever built
of course,in Flying Tiger get up
(http://www.warbirdalley.com/images/fly-by-P-40.jpg)
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Originally posted by 999000
1. How About HE111
2. Still love the PBY idea drop mine infront of task force, pick up down pilots for points/pilot pick up saves points
3. Blimps over fiels would be great effect for vulching
4. love to see the tow behind gliders behind c47's with small tank inside or troops
5. Silent hunter with subs!
6 I agreed carrier based b25
7. any flying boat that could lanch a tank
8. command individual destroyers with torps and depth charges
9.victoria secret store open in town
10. real advertisements on billboards at towns payed to hitech from companies like Coke pepsi?
11.did somebody say tunnels
12.nothing wrong with night time
13. would it be cool to have those large landing craft that had like 4-6 tanks in them??individual manning them at a beach landing?
14. ok v2 rockets sites to launch rockets ??
15. ok how about those big blimps that had a plane to launch underneath them?
1. Good as any other
2. Like it
3. Like it...new targets, slows the vulch
4. Cool idea...could it work?
5. Gimme a sub and 'all your CV are belong to us'! Like it!
6. Cool
7. Also cool
8. Again...I like it.
9. Best idea ever! Half-nekkid' models in the windows, right? (Hi-res, or no-go!)
10. Cod and Jeebus spare me from another blasted, stinkin' advertisement!! Somebody string this guy up, will ya'?
11. Yup...and somebody else (me) said.."Hell, yea"! I miss 'em.
12. Nothin' wrong at all..gives me P-61 a purpose in life
13. Agreed...cool. BUT..would be real easy to kill 5-7 guys all at once. Can we say very juicy target and short life-span?
14. I'd say V-1 sites, not V-2. Need to be able to hunt down the little buggers, which could be done with V-1s, but not -2's.
15. I'm not sure that idea ever actually panned out, did it? Sure you're not thinkin' of Crimson Skies?
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A quick touchback to the Swordfish...
Yep..they were REALLY slow, and relatively maneuverable...but I'd still put my money on a well thrown rock, first! :D
Can I imagine a flock of them loaded with torpedoes heading for a CV? Sure. I can also see them plummeting into the sea aflame. Our current, more advanced torpedo carriers have a bad time getting in through the flak. At something like 9 miles an hour, I'm not sure you'd get 10 yards inside auto-ack range.
Nope, Swordfish did not take out the Bismark. One lucky torp hit the steering gear and locked her into a turn. She was ultimately scuttled by her crew (I think Bronk noted this already). Anybody know how many survived that attack, BTW? I don't recall.
Still, tho...you want 'em, it's no skin off my teeth. To each their own is OK by me!
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Originally posted by Goomba
Anybody know how many survived that attack, BTW? I don't recall.
All of them survived.
The Swordfish sank more tonnage of Axis shipping any any other Allied torpedo bomber and out lasted it's successor in service.
That said, it would be a flying coffin in AH.
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Originally posted by Goomba
Nope, Swordfish did not take out the Bismark. One lucky torp hit the steering gear and locked her into a turn. She was ultimately scuttled by her crew (I think Bronk noted this already). Anybody know how many survived that attack, BTW? I don't recall.
Bismarck received damage from Prince of Wales, taking ay least one 14" armor piercing round into a fuel bunker. A significant portion of her fuel was then contaminated with sea water. Thus, she could not stay at sea for long. She was also hit by another torpedo in the first Swordfish attack. While this torpedo didn't breach the inner hull, it did punch a large hole in her anti-torpedo bulge, flooding that volume (and they could not pump it out), affecting ballast control, thus adding to the Bismarck's complications.
As to being scuttled, Bismarck was completely wrecked and being pummeled by torpedos. Whether or not scuttle charges were detonated is truly irrelavant.. She was going to sink and the Brits had no interest in towing the wreck back to port.
Of 2,242 souls on board (crew, guests, journalists, Admiral's staff, etc), only 116 survived.
My regards,
Widewing
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b32 dominator with 2 new rules, there must be a pilot and a gunner, and no multiple aircraft ( no formation) if you want 3 b32's you have to talk 3 users into joining you, 1 pilot, 3 gunners. While I am at it, we need something inbetween the panzer4 / t34 and the tiger, I would like to see aJagpanzer. It is a panzer5 chasis with turret the long barreled 88 is hull mounted.
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Originally posted by Toad
B-25 C model strafer name Quitch.
:)
Gotta go with Toad on this one. I took one book with on the family vacation, "Flying Buccaneers" by Steve Birdsall about the 5th AF in the Pacific. What Toad's dad and those other strafer B25 guys did was amazing and fits for the way the MA operates.
Parafrags and a strafer B25C1 works for me too. Mix it with the A20G and the 38s we have, and it's 5th AF time. Of course it doesn't hurt that the 80th Headhunter 38s were escorting those strafers either :)
And yep thats a 345th BG Strafer those Headhunters are escorting too.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/861_1152950374_80th38s.jpg)
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Bahh you only posted this because I snuck the Mk. XII request in and you didn't . :p :D :p
Bronk
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Originally posted by Bronk
Bahh you only posted this because I snuck the Mk. XII request in and you didn't . :p :D :p
LOL, I'd love a Spit XII, but with the Spit line up we have now, it would be overkill :)
Bronk
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Brewster Buffalo Model 239
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Originally posted by Kurt
No, the reason you don't have an arena full of 262's is that they suck. If the Spit14 cost the same as a 262 I would take a spit14 every day and twice on sunday.
You wanna know how to defeat a 262... Easy... TURN. I teach this complex tactic to my squad and not one has ever been killed by a 262. (excluding when flying a goon... 262's are efficient goon killers) Heck, I shot down a 262 with a zeke... All the 262 brings to the party is fear. Learn that the fear is stupid and suddenly they are not a threat.
Riiiiight..:lol
I want a Type IX U -Boat
that or a MiG 15
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I still stand strong with my P-39 and or P-61 vote :D
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I still stand strong with my P-39 and or P-61 vote :D
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Hmm more transports would make sense.
All we have is that C-47. Wonderful plane, yes, but we need some Axis transports like the Ju-52. I believe the Japanese used the C-47 too under their own desig.
He 111's would be super fun too.
And then there's me being a noob and hoping to get a Spitfire LF Mk.Vc which we'll probably never going to get xD
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(http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW2/Me410-A1-11s.jpg)
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YAY! Me 410 Hornisse.
Do I win a cookie?!
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:O The Zombie lives!!!:O
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woops.. never noticed that it was old.
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tigercat baby
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B17E and F
FW190A-3
P47C
Gives Early War Arena some cool planes.
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Originally posted by g00b
And I thought I was the only one. Did the Pfiel ever score a kill? A neat quote from the wikipedia.
"In his book The Big Show, French ace Pierre Clostermann claims the first Allied combat encounter with a Pfeil in April 1945. Leading a flight of four Hawker Tempests from No. 3 Squadron RAF over northern Germany, he intercepted by chance a lone Do 335 flying at maximum speed at treetop level. Detecting the British aircraft, the German pilot reversed course to evade. In spite of the Tempest's considerable speed (equal to a P-51 Mustang's), the RAF fighters were not able to catch up or even get into firing position."
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/Do_335-1.JPG/800px-Do_335-1.JPG)
g00b
yup, would be a great fun plane to fly, a prop perk ride, probably 80 or more perks (if it is modeled as fast and maneuverable as anecdotable accounts say)
My fear is it would be like the 152, a hangar queen. from what I read the 152 could turn with the tempest, where in game you don't have a chance.
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B-29 so the bombers have something to spend perks on. No nuke. Not sure if it should have the smaller gun set or the full gun set. Only 1 per pilot. No formations drones. That gives it less then half the bomb load of a formation of lancasters. It's got a 20,000lb bomb load vs 14,000lb per lancaster for 42,000lb.
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B-25H with the 75mm and parafrag options, no formations.
B-25J with the standard loadout for the J, with formations.
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Judy Judy Judy!
-Sik
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P-39
IMO it's the most used plane that we are lacking. PTO, ETO, Russia...it was everywhere. I don't think it would be a hanger queen...there's always tanks to be shot.
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Originally posted by republic
P-39
IMO it's the most used plane that we are lacking. PTO, ETO, Russia...it was everywhere. I don't think it would be a hanger queen...there's always tanks to be shot.
It was not a tank buster. :furious :furious :furious :D :D (mock anger)
The 37mm fired HE rounds and was very low velocity.
But that shouldn't preclude it from being added. It was a widely used AC.
Bronk
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Gloster Gladiator.
- oldman
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A-26
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K-14 (1945)
This was the ultimate 109 version fitted with the DB 605L engine driving a four bladed propeller. At least one 109 flew with a four bladed propeller in 1945.
(http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/me109/family/Images/japo-k14.jpg)
I get to fly the only one and Creton can use it when I sleep.
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Originally posted by Bruv119
P51A - Brit version 4 x 20mm hispanos.
:cry i it now lol.
:D
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(http://www.k5083.mistral.co.uk/PRO_011.GIF) (http://www.k5083.mistral.co.uk/TECHDATA.HTM)
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Boomerang, with smoke bombs to mark ground targets for the heavies.
(http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/COMMONWEALTH%20BOOMERANG.JPG)
or
Beaufighter VIC, used everywhere, though the Aussie Mark 21 would be better since they changed out the 303s with 50 cals.
(http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/bristol%20156%20beaufighter.jpg)
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We need a T34/85 (medium perked) and the Sherman..........ohh, wait a minute those don't fly!!??
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Originally posted by Muskie6
We need a T34/85 (medium perked) and the Sherman..........ohh, wait a minute those don't fly!!??
Oh, they do. Just takes a little effort ;)
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Originally posted by FTJR
Boomerang, with smoke bombs to mark ground targets for the heavies.
(http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/COMMONWEALTH%20BOOMERANG.JPG)
or
Beaufighter VIC, used everywhere, though the Aussie Mark 21 would be better since they changed out the 303s with 50 cals.
(http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/bristol%20156%20beaufighter.jpg)
I am so ashamed...
I should have said the boomer and the beauy.....
FTJR
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Would either be -
Spit XII
OR
Unperk the XIV and add the F.21 as the perked Spit.
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I want a FW.200C with Glide Bombs
(http://www.regiamarina.net/subs/betasom/bombardments/images/fw200.jpg)
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Polikarpov I-16
Pic @ http://www.orgsites.com/ca/cafsocalphoto/01.jpg
From the site http://www.warbirdsoverwanaka.co.nz/article_2006.asp?id=aircraft
In the Soviet Union, the I-16 was one of the most famous and loved aeroplanes. First flown in December 1933, it was the first fighter in the world to go into service combining cantilever monoplane wings with retractable landing gear. Blooded in the Spanish Civil War, the I-16 also saw service with the Chinese as well as becoming the mainstay of the Russian Air Force. Operated by them against the Japanese and in the Winter War against Finland, by 1941 the I-16 was still the most numerous Russian fighter. The German attack on Russia was to be the swan song for this nimble aircraft and many were destroyed on the ground. A total of 7,005 singleseat and 1,639 two-seaters were produced.Six wrecks were restored in Russia for Sir Tim Wallis and are the only flying examples in the world.
From http://www.aviation-history.com/polikarpov/i16.html
Specifications:
Polikarpov I-16 Type 18
Dimensions:
Wing span: 29 ft. 6.5 in (9.18 m)
Length: 6.13 m (20 ft 1.25 in)
Height: 8 ft 5 in (2.57 m)
Weights:
Empty: 3,110 lb. (1,412 kg)
Operational: 4,034 lb (1,831 kg)
Performance:
Maximum Speed: 288 mph (463 km/h)
Service Ceiling: 29,500 ft. (8,998 m)
Range: 500 miles (805 km)
Powerplant:
Shvetsov M-62R 1,000 hp 9-cylinder radial.
Armament:
Two 7.62 mm machine guns with two 20 mm cannon.
From Wikipedia:
Specifications (I-16 Type 24)
General characteristics
Crew: one pilot
Length: 6.13 m (20.1 ft)
Wingspan: 9.00 m (29.5 ft)
Height: 2.25 m (7.38 ft)
Wing area: 14.54 m² (156.5 ft²)
Empty weight: 1,383 kg (3,049 lb)
Loaded weight: 1,882 kg (4,149 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 2,050 kg (4,520 lb)
Powerplant: 1× Shvetsov M-63 air-cooled radial engine, 670 kW (900 hp) driving a two-blade propeller
Performance
Maximum speed: 460 km/h (290 mph)
Range: 440 km (275 mi)
Service ceiling: 9,700 m (31,800 ft)
Rate of climb: 14.7 m/s (2,900 ft/min)
Wing loading: 129 kg/m² (26 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 0.36 kW/kg (0.22 hp/lb)
Armament
4× fixed forward-firing 7.62 mm (.30 cal) ShKAS machine guns, a total of 3,100 rounds of ammunition.
6× RS-82 rockets or up to 100 kg (220 lb) of bombs
As an FYI about half of all produced I-16s were still in service in 1943 when they were finally replaced.
I'd rather see the Type 18.
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I'm changing my answer to the MK33 mosquito. It's a navy fighter/bomber. It had JATO rockets for CV launches and could carry a torpedo or posibly the 4000lb bomb. Not sure if it had the large 4000lb bomb bay though. No wait just 2 x 1000lb on the wings or 2 x 500 lb inside with 2 x 500 outside. The 4000lb versions where only with the unarmed bomber versions. That would still be cool though. A bomer version with a single 4000lb would rock. Fast, high alt, big boom. Perhaps a small perk?
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Dewoitine D.520
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I flew the D520 in WW2OL for a long time. It's not that great. It's slower then the 109e-4, wider turning circle. It does have a fantastic roll rate and the center mounted hispano 20mm is great though. It also has lackluster pilot view. Cool plane but it would rot in the hanger coming out for the ocasional event.
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Originally posted by gbleck
... but it would rot in the hanger coming out for the ocasional event.
Not with the new arena setup.
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No even in the early war arena it would be outclassed by the 109E.
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I still stan with the P-39 i feel that it is one of the planes that aces high really is missing and from what ive heard it played a pretty large role in real life
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P-51 with cannons
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Although the more drag counteracts the more powerful engine, I'd like to see a ki-100
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Has anyone mentioned the B-25 yet? Just like the one my father flew? It'd be nice if he got to fly it here once. He's 86 and we may need to hurry this up a bit.
(http://www.arizonaprogreen.com/quitch/quitch%202.jpg)
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hehe toad half the people in the thread wanted the B25 :)
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perk the B29 so we can waist our bomber perks, and pople stop posting about it. (and its not too fast as pople say there were many B29's shot down by slow junky JP aircraft) (slow is a relitive turn used for most JP aircraft) and give us the JP aircraft that shot them down on a dayly basis. interesting thinking i know. as for the guns just model them like all the rest call it a small sacrifice to have the damned thing.
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Mitsubishi A7M2 "Reppu"
Perk plane of course and only available in late war.
http://www.combinedfleet.com/ijna/a7m.htm
(http://www.samoloty.ow.pl/rys/rys059.jpg)
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Originally posted by Rockdog
Mitsubishi A7M2 "Reppu"
Perk plane of course and only available in late war.
Never seen combat . Try again.
Bronk
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I want a Fiat CR42
http://www.cbrnp.com/profiles/quarter2/fiat_cr42.htm (http://www.cbrnp.com/profiles/quarter2/fiat_cr42.htm)
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Originally posted by Bronk
Never seen combat . Try again.
Bronk
It didn't see combat but at least one was in service before the end of the war.
You didnt have P51 attacking flights of B17 during the war either. Or P51's fighting P47's, or etc. etc.
So what you are saying is, for the sake of realizim we should only allow Axis planes to fight with Allied and vice versa in the EXACT times they actually flew in the war.
I still want the A7M2.......
:)
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Every thing i can find so far states 7 or 8 prototypes and none enter service.
If you have a info to the contrary I'd love to read it.
Bronk
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The link in my first post stated one production model, also an article of the zero in the the winter 2007 edition of Flight Journal WWII Fighters stated that "only a few" entered sevice.
Thats all I have for now, but will do more research.
Rockdog.
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Originally posted by Rockdog
The link in my first post stated one production model, also an article of the zero in the the winter 2007 edition of Flight Journal WWII Fighters stated that "only a few" entered sevice.
Thats all I have for now, but will do more research.
Rockdog.
Production model and entered service are 2 different things.
Bronk
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Originally posted by killnu
I want a Fiat CR42
Will happily fight you with my Gladiator.
- oldman (good pick, though, would make some good Malta scenarios)
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I vote for the B-25!
(http://www.arizonaprogreen.com/quitch/quitch%202.jpg)
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You do that model of Quitch Toad? Looks great.
I'm with Toad. We need a B25C/D strafer with "Quitch" as the default skin. Then we need a scenario where we can fly it and talk Toad's Dad into flying it so we can wing him at least once :)
More "Quitch" from Lawrence Hickey's masterpiece group history of the 345th BG "Warpath Across the Pacific"
Quitch is the bird on the left in this one.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1170121354_quitch3.jpg)
Color shot of Quitch in flight. The name had been painted out at this point. This has to be close to the time Toad's Dad was flying her based on the number of mission symbols on the nose.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1170121368_quitch2.jpg)
Profile of "Quitch"
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1170121380_quitch1.jpg)
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Wow seems like everyone loves the B25:) mabey big ares nose gun to waste r buff perks?
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Originally posted by Guppy35
You do that model of Quitch Toad? Looks great.
Nope. Nuke did that one just for him and I'm enternally grateful.
It sits in my father's house near the front door. It's been quite the conversation piece for his buddies.
Somewhere around here I have an old Kodak "Brownie" photo taken from another airplane of Quitch. My dad is flying it and they are low over the New Guinea jungle. No detail, it's just a B-25.
Seems like I posted it here once; I know I sent it to Pyro a looooooong time ago too.
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Originally posted by Toad
Somewhere around here I have an old Kodak "Brownie" photo taken from another airplane of Quitch. My dad is flying it and they are low over the New Guinea jungle. No detail, it's just a B-25.
Seems like I posted it here once; I know I sent it to Pyro a looooooong time ago too.
I bet it's this one. :)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/116_1117080887_quitch.jpg)
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I would like to see the tu2 or pe 8.
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Where'd you find that Hub? Was it on this BBS or did I post it public at onpoi?
Thanks for putting it up!
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Originally posted by Toad
Where'd you find that Hub? Was it on this BBS or did I post it public at onpoi?
Thanks for putting it up!
Betting he saved it to his HD just like I did :)
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Originally posted by Toad
Where'd you find that Hub? Was it on this BBS or did I post it public at onpoi?
Thanks for putting it up!
I searched for 'quitch' with you as poster, and clicked the oldest thread first. That's where I found it. Thread is http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=151504&highlight=quitch
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I look at that photo and think about a young man, 23 years old, from Newtown, Pennsylvania, newly married and half way around the world at an incredibly primitive base flying those low-level missions.
He was just a small town boy caught up in big events.
At his age, I was just in pilot training; didn't really know jack about flying. He was out there doin' it in combat.
I've flown with him in a B-25 a few years back (In The Mood, owned by the Klaers, with Bill in the left seat and my father in the right seat. Bill watched him close for about 5 minutes and then pretty much relaxed and let him do whatever he wanted. Bill was very complimentary and Dad was very smooth. We had 4 fighters flying wing with us and they found him a "good lead".) What a noisy, cramped cockpit! I can imagine sweating your rear off in there flying over a hot, humid jungle.
He still flies a bit in a Fairchild PT-26; his initial instruction in the Army was in a Fairchild PT-19. He's still got "it"; he flies the heck out of that thing. He can't go solo anymore though; we've got a saftey pilot for him at Mom's insistence. The guy flying with him says he's still instructing and has taught him a lot. :)
I REALLY wish HT would do him this honor.
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We do too Toad :)
Back in AW we had Earl, flying with us. Earl is a former MTO P39/P47 pilot with a DFC Silver Star for his ground attack work in Jugs.
We ended up designing a Scenario that included his squadron, the 345th FS, 350th FG Devilhawks. We did a skin for the Jug from that Squadron and guys were falling all over themselves to fly wing with Earl.
Now Earl never took AW seriously. He preferred trying to torpedo things in a TBM, but he flew the Jug in that Scenario and it was great fun to see him up.
I'd love to see your Dad in the same sort of situation. This 80th Headhunter would happily escort your Dad's 25 to Rabaul and back in his 38G :)
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Toad and to your Dad I give my respect and gratitude! Great story and great read! Thanks all for the info and pics!:aok
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Polikarpov I-16. :aok :aok :aok
<> JOBE.
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Once again:
(http://www.orgsites.com/ca/cafsocalphoto/01.jpg)
Polikarpov I-16
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lol o great looks like more la dweebs :) hehe jk
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Originally posted by JOBE
Polikarpov I-16.
That's a good frequently tested historical match against the Brewster Model 239. :)
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B25 with loads of arming choices
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Why not add another Italian plane or was the 202 and 205 all they had :rolleyes: ?