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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Jebus on August 25, 2006, 12:42:56 PM
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So I was walking threw BlockBuster today to look for a movie to watch while at work tomarrow.
As I was walking threw this movie popped in the corner of my eye. It was called Confederate States of America, of course this cought my eye.:O
I want to watch it but I think it will be a movie to watch by myself.
Then I got to thinking....I have such knowledge in the O'club we should discusses this topic.
So here it is What if the Confederates won the war over the union? What would be different?
The movie pictures on the back had the Confederate flag on the moon instead of the Stars and strips...it also had the Confederate flag being raised at Iwo Jima. Just made me think. What would be different. Would love to hear what you guys think (know most of you are from the south).
Here is the film http://www.csathemovie.com/
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Within several years of winning the civil war, the national economy and stability would collapse.
Just like it did the first time there were Confederate States of America.
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why, i do declaya mr. jebus, you certainly are what mah momma would call a bonafide rabble rowsah.
bless your little heart.
you'll have to call upon the spirit of the late great jefforson davis to answer that one son.
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I would say that the constitution would mean more to Americans and Americans would be more free with states rights more important and a weaker central government.
There is a chance that new laws would evolve allong the present "blue vs red) voting trends with the sardine people opting for more and more government control in their lives and the individualists seeking less.
This would mean that allmost everyone could find a place for themselves without making life hell for their fellows.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I would say that the constitution would mean more to Americans and Americans would be more free with states rights more important and a weaker central government.
There is a chance that new laws would evolve allong the present "blue vs red) voting trends with the sardine people opting for more and more government control in their lives and the individualists seeking less.
This would mean that allmost everyone could find a place for themselves without making life hell for their fellows.
lazs
agree. the "south" was against having all the "big policy makers" from the north and in DC. they wanted more individual indepedence, and wanted the farmer and rural areas to have the same impact on the choices made by the government as the big cities.
basically California and NYC would not have the political power they do now.
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We would spell threw like thru instead of through.
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You may find the Harry Turtledove books on the subject interesting, he's made it to the early 1940s so far. The political maneuverings are fascinating.
If you're the type who's interested in skipping forward to the answers, here's a summary of how things end up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline-191
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Originally posted by JB88
why, i do declaya mr. jebus, you certainly are what mah momma would call a bonafide rabble rowsah.
bless your little heart.
you'll have to call upon the spirit of the late great jefforson davis to answer that one son.
ya recon?
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if they had won they would have the south not the whole us
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Heres what I think. The Confederate States would still be around today, Richmond Va would be the National Capital. And hopefully by the time We all were born, slvery and Raceism would only be seen in really old history books.
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You would see alot more of these guys around
(http://www.geocities.com/tnudc/EDGERTON.jpg) ;)
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Nascar would be the most popular "sport" in America, oh wait....
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Originally posted by lukster
Nascar would be the most popular "sport" in America, oh wait....
NACAR has o be one of the most boring spetator events ever.
Looks fun to do. But to watch?? ZZZZZZ,ZZZZZZZ,ZZZZZ
Wake me for the car wreaks and the final 3 laps. Thoise are the only patts I find exiting. And the bigger the car wreak. The more I like it
As for the rest of it. Bores me to tears
If you wanna see racing.
Outlaw Sprintcars on a dirt track.
Now THATS racing
Havent been to one since the paved over The Flemington Raceway.
Just aint the same on pavement.
Damn shame
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Given your question, I wonder when, or if, they would have ever done away with slavery.
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I've seen it. It wasn't a bad satirical documentary.
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Originally posted by Jebus
The movie pictures on the back had the Confederate flag on the moon instead of the Stars and strips...it also had the Confederate flag being raised at Iwo Jima.
I'm sorry. Nothing personal but ....
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahhah ahahahahahahahhaahaahahahhaha hahahahahahahhahahahahahallol olollolololololollolololololo lollol :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
I'm sorry. Nothing personal but ....
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahhah ahahahahahahahhaahaahahahhaha hahahahahahahhahahahahahallol olollolololololollolololololo lollol :D
Might not be so far fetched. Confederate engineers were pretty advanced for the time. They had built automatic cannons (firing a 2" ball) long before the Gatling gun showed up on the battlefield. They built the first submarine to sink an enemy warship. The Hunley's hull design is what the German U-boats later incorporated, and is today considered an advanced hull design.
Now yes, this sounds like a big leap from black powder technology. However, I would not consider incredulous the thought that If the Confederates had put their mind to building a moon rocket after winning the war, they probably would have.:)
Les
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You can't get to the moon when your states in your union start taxing each other.
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Originally posted by Leslie
Might not be so far fetched. Confederate engineers were pretty advanced for the time. They had built automatic cannons (firing a 2" ball) long before the Gatling gun showed up on the battlefield. They built the first submarine to sink an enemy warship. The Hunley's hull design is what the German U-boats later incorporated, and is today considered an advanced hull design.
Now yes, this sounds like a big leap from black powder technology. However, I would not consider incredulous the thought that If the Confederates had put their mind to building a moon rocket after winning the war, they probably would have.:)
Les
NASA has huge federal <- key word ) funding. :aok
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Originally posted by LePaul
Given your question, I wonder when, or if, they would have ever done away with slavery.
Hopefully like the same time they became a free country.
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hmm... thought I knew a little about history but am unaware of the confederate states of America that happened in 1790.
I do know that many northern states wanted to leave the union but it was voted down in those states after a lot of debate for allmost 10 years. No wars or declartions were ever involved.
lazs
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Even at this late date the old rumor started by some Yankee that the north won the war. Didn`t know there was anyone out there that would still fall for this gag.
:D
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I think I have it on my Q on netflix.
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Hmmmmm. Interesting topic Jebus. Based upon my current experience and limited knowledge of American history. I would have to say that a Confederate nation would fair no better then our current democracy. Actually I feel the only reason the confederacy did not win was because of their limited support abroad. If France would have came through. I think it would be a totally different story. Slavery became unpalatable at this time in Europe also. The whole economic machine was based upon man power in servitude in the southern states. It is kind of amazing that today their is still a thriving slave market in under developed nations in Arabic, Middle eastern and Far eastern countries. But then again our current illigeal immigrant situation is just another form of economic slavery. It is sad how history repeats it's self. "Do you smell the smoke can you hear the fiddle".
:noid
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Originally posted by uberhun
But then again our current illigeal immigrant situation is just another form of economic slavery.
Yeah, it's the exact same thing.
Yep, when those Africans snuck into the holds of those ships heading for the New World and tricked Portugese traders into selling them, it was an absolute precursor to the 'economic slavery' we have today.
Do you think those african slaves were most interested in the South's welfare system? Or was it the thought of sending their wages back to the dark continent?
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Yeah, it's the exact same thing.
Yep, when those Africans snuck into the holds of those ships heading for the New World and tricked Portugese traders into selling them, it was an absolute precursor to the 'economic slavery' we have today.
Do you think those african slaves were most interested in the South's welfare system? Or was it the thought of sending their wages back to the dark continent?
You knew exactly what I meant! You have people who more or less are sold into servitude, to do jobs that we as legal citizens are unwilling to do.
It is esentially the same thing. Nafta equals slavery. Nice going Ross Perot.
:furious
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
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I saw a bumber sticker the other day, it had the Confederate Flag within a red slashed circle (aka prohibited symbol) and it said
"The South will rise again, because s**t floats."
Not saying I agree, but it was good for a chuckle.
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Originally posted by dmf
(In response to LePaul who said: Given your question, I wonder when, or if, they would have ever done away with slavery. )
Hopefully like the same time they became a free country.
I'm sorry ... but again .... lololololololohahahahahahahah ahalololol
Are you familiar with "June teenth?" :D
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Originally posted by Delirium
I saw a bumber sticker the other day, it had the Confederate Flag within a red slashed circle (aka prohibited symbol) and it said
"The South will rise again, because s**t floats."
Not saying I agree, but it was good for a chuckle.
Ohh thats bad..
I would get my bellybutton kicked around here if I wore something like that on my bumper!
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Hmmmmm. Interesting topic Jebus. Based upon my current experience and limited knowledge of American history. I would have to say that a Confederate nation would fair no better then our current democracy. Actually I feel the only reason the confederacy did not win was because of their limited support abroad. If France would have came through. I think it would be a totally different story. Slavery became unpalatable at this time in Europe also.
C'mon man, don't make statements about stuff you proclaim to know little about.
I'm only going to say this once more.
By 1865, the CSA was coming apart state to state for the exact same reasons why the confederacy failed the first time. It's just that in the war time environment, the failure was accelerated by increased economic situations.
I saw a bumber sticker the other day, it had the Confederate Flag within a red slashed circle (aka prohibited symbol) and it said
"The South will rise again, because s**t floats."
Don't compare regional pride with love for a confederacy.
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by 1865 the south was indeed coming apart... it had all but lost a major war and was having its largest cities burned to the ground along with it's armies being destroyed.
Lincoln drove the first nail into the coffin of the freedom that was so hard fought for in 1776
Interestingly... Jefferson originaly wrote a much stronger human rights constitution that soundly condemed the owning of slaves but it was rejected because it was just too much to deal with at the time. The slave states were needed to form the union.
lazs
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and... as it turned out... slavery was old fashioned and inefficient... we later started using the your-0-peean method of misery when we allowed all the misserable, starving peasants to immigrate.
They were better, more skilled workers than the slaves and cost a fraction of a good slave and with little or no overhead... If they died from the misstreatment (which was very common).... so what? You could just get another.
We were able to modernize to your-0-peean levels of misery in very short order... the south was just behind the times.
lazs
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Originally posted by Delirium
I saw a bumber sticker the other day, it had the Confederate Flag within a red slashed circle (aka prohibited symbol) and it said
"The South will rise again, because s**t floats."
Not saying I agree, but it was good for a chuckle.
:aok :rofl
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Originally posted by lazs2
Interestingly... Jefferson originaly wrote a much stronger human rights constitution that soundly condemed the owning of slaves but it was rejected because it was just too much to deal with at the time.
T.J. was the second largest owner of Slaves in Virginia.
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Originally posted by Arlo
T.J. was the second largest owner of Slaves in Virginia.
All the founding fathers had slaves, it was socialy acceptable back then to own a human being, thank God its not like that in the US now days.
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Originally posted by dmf
All the founding fathers had slaves, it was socialy acceptable back then to own a human being, thank God its not like that in the US now days.
can you explain that to mt exwife and her boyfriend
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Originally posted by dmf
All the founding fathers had slaves, it was socialy acceptable back then to own a human being, thank God its not like that in the US now days.
You gotta read both the quote and the response to appreciate the irony. Perhaps. :D
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I saw one bumper sticker that was pretty funny. It said
If I knew it was going to be this damn bad... I would have picked my own Damn Cotton!
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yes... Jefferson was a large slave holder owning 100 at the time. He was really torn by the inconsistency of being a slave owner and writing such a document. Most of his slaves left while he wrote it. He gave the others the choice to leave not much after his first writings were rejected..
The founders were all men who knew that they would be branded as traitors to the crown and hung if caught. they all expected it. Jefferson was extremely brave and a man who realized the hypocracy of slavery. I would say that very few of us have ever, or will ever, show such courage and conviction.
It is probly pretty easy to make fun of a confederate flag if you live in NY city say.
He gave up everything for what he believed.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
It is probly pretty easy to make fun of a confederate flag if you live in NY city say.
Yea it is as long as you stay in NY City while you are doing it. Gets a little more difficult the further south you go. :)
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Originally posted by Delirium
I saw a bumber sticker the other day, it had the Confederate Flag within a red slashed circle (aka prohibited symbol) and it said
"The South will rise again, because s**t floats."
Not saying I agree, but it was good for a chuckle.
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First of all i would woop this guys arsh if I had saw this.
I think it would be great. I do know that everything was owned by the men the house, buggy's, horses every thing so If the south had won the war and nowdays if your wife left ya she would be well broke with nothing and not taking half of everything. I also think that more people would respect there country more. There wouldnt be the rush of people from outher countrys. And life would be more simple. Not to mention I'm from the SOUTH!! And my great grandfather was a (LTC. In the Miss, 11th Calvery):aok :O
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This song sums up a lot about growing up in the south to me.
Ain't about my pistol
Ain't about my boots
Ain't about no northern drives
Ain't about my southern roots
Ain't about my guitars, ain't about my big old amps
"It ain't rained in weeks, but the weather sure feels damp"
Ain't about excuses or alibis
Ain't about no cotton fields or cotton picking lies
Ain't about the races, the crying shame
To the ****ing rich man all poor people look the same
Don't get me wrong It just ain't right
May not look strong, but I ain't afraid to fight
If you want to live another day
Stay out the way of the southern thing
Ain't about no hatred better raise a glass
It's a little about some rebels but it ain't about the past
Ain't about no foolish pride, Ain't about no flag
Hate's the only thing that my truck would want to drag
You think I'm dumb, maybe not too bright
You wonder how I sleep at night
Proud of the glory, stare down the shame
Duality of the southern thing
My Great Great Granddad had a hole in his side
He used to tell the story to the family Christmas night
Got shot at Shiloh, thought he'd die alone
From a Yankee bullet, less than thirty miles from home
Ain't no plantations in my family tree
Did NOT believe in slavery, thought that all men should be free
"But, who are these soldiers marching through my land?"
His bride could hear the cannons and she worried about her man
I heard the story as it was passed down
About guts and glory and Rebel stands
Four generations, a whole lot has changed
Robert E. Lee
Martin Luther King
We've come a long way rising from the flame
Stay out the way of the southern thing
-Drive by Truckers
The bolded line is the truth world round.