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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: funked on November 09, 2000, 03:32:00 PM
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Call in the lawyers and try to get the rules changed. A new low for the Democrats. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 11-09-2000).]
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ok, let's vote....
ok, two out of three...
ok, three out of five...
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Best of Seven! Last time, I promise!
Dam! 5 of 9? Deal?
OK, OK..... 6 of 10!
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No wait, that was just a practice vote.
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You mean I was only suppose to pick one?
Eagler
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More of "Oh wait I'm stupid, Let me vote again".
How do these people know they voted wrong?
If they could prove they voted wrong and they were too stupid to change it MAYBE just MAYBE I could see a revote but as it is the only thing they can prove is that they were STUPID.
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This is easy. I learned how to fix this when I was 6 years old. The people of Florida need a "do-over".
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Funked, you are correct, even if the 'Pub's did this, I would feel the same way...its a sad day for our constitution and Lawyers have hit a new low, there's dead men who fought and died for that constitution that are turning in their graves as we speak...
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I, too, would feel the same way no matter which candidate would become President.
It may still go either way. I say a vote is a vote. Recount and verify, sure.
But enough is enough. There is no "do over". Voting is a sacred and solemn responsibility. It has to be done right the first time.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Funked, you are correct, even if the 'Pub's did this, I would feel the same way...its a sad day for our constitution and Lawyers have hit a new low, there's dead men who fought and died for that constitution that are turning in their graves as we speak...
Yes, Rip I would too but it's not the Republicans it's the Democrats .. AGAIN!
From Jesse Jackson to the last of Gore's $3000 a suit lawyers, THEY are making a mockery of not only the constitution but the entire country itself. And they don't CARE!! These people will do anything, ANYTHING, to win. We are naive to think otherwise.
I'm sorry, it's more than a matter of opinion to me. They are dragging our country DOWN! For me, this election has brought it to a head. I see the leaders of this philosophy as evil, negative. No good for my family or I, no good for the country and in the really big picture - dangerous to the world. The average democrat is not to be included in this group. They are in it for their own personal ideals which justify to them that they are on the right side. The democratic leaders, on the other hand, have an agenda which is a lie to the American people, which they know themselves, yet continue to perpetrate it for their own selfish gains.
Can anyone not see what they are setting up in Florida? Sure Gore & the Democrats want to win but if they don't they will have made it almost impossible for Bush to be a successful President his freshman year in office if not longer. Gore, who instigated this entire farce, when/if he loses, will be cast the "victim". He'll be back in 4 years and clean our clock. This BS will empower the democratic cause with their followers. As no one seems to be able to stand up to them and call a spade a spade without being spun as "mean spirited", I don't see a way out of this toilet bowl spiral I feel our morality is in.
I believe there was voter fraud to an unparalleled level this election. They are just discovering it in Florida now because they are looking. With paper ballots, it would be so easy to alter a count. As we now have a democratic controlled election group counting our states ballots, knowing the numbers they need to have to win, the outcome is foreseen. Our only hope is the military's vote. Poetic Justice. If,when, other states are scrutinized I believe voting discrepancies will be discovered there also. Sorry, I don't trust them farther than I can throw them.
Eagler
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I've read in a few posts now.... people saying things to the effect of "there is no do-over"... there is no re-vote, etc.
From where is that information derived? It simply isn't true.
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Nash,
I see you are showing Canada in your on-line persona.
May I suggest:
http://www.fec.gov/elections.html (http://www.fec.gov/elections.html)
as a primer on how our elections work.
There is no provision for re-balloting because of the safeguards that are built into the process. For example, that sample ballot was published with no resulting complaints.
As an aside, the number of ballots that have been disallowed is apparently consistent with the number that were disallowed in '96. Perhaps those folks haven't bothered to learn how to vote? How to prepare to vote?
Once again, it boils down to personal responsibility and accountability.
Did those people familiarize themselves with the voting process? Did they attempt to understand what they must do to vote correctly?
If so, they would have instantly realized they could ask for another ballot if they made a mistake. In fact, in my state, signs delineating the voting process are on the wall for all to read as they vote.
If they DIDN'T realize they made a mistake, then you have to understand that less than 4% of the voters in that county made an unknowing mistake. Further, this 4% is consistent with what happened in '96 in the same county. In other words, this may be statistically "typical" for this county.
So, if you fail to familiarize yourself with "how to vote", the "rules" for voting at a polling station and the voting process itself.....who is responsible?
If you cannot understand the ballot, who is responsible for seeking help in understanding?
If you failed to examine the ballot carefully beforehand and "plan" your vote who is responsible?
In all of these cases, who is responsible?
That answer is obvious.
Now, if the Gore campaign just can't handle the fact that some of their constituents (and it's almost a sure bet that not ALL of those 19,000 ballots were for Gore) are not responsible voters, I suppose they can drag this through the courts ad infinitum.
If it results in a re-ballot of Florida, I will vociferously and monetarily support an entire new election for the whole US. I don't mean on this board, either.
If we're going to reshuffle the deck and play another hand EVERYBODY gets to play due to the nature of the media influence on the election.
What a great precedent for future elections, eh?
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Lol - yeah, a horrible precedent Toad. Taking the optimistic view though, I beleive that the "my vote doesn't count" notion is now completely banished to history. That's a good thing, eh? Also, I think the process itself might undergo some sort of a fixing. Which is also a good thing.
Anyways, thanks for that link Toad. Couldn't find a whiff of Florida voting law in any of those several thousand links though. Care to point it out for me?
The way *I* understand it, "Candian persona" and all, is that while *some* irregularities are tolerated, if it is deemed substantial enough by the courts in Florida, while not specifying the remedies, they have the power to provide "any releif". This would include a myriad of things, obviously, and a re-vote is not counted out.
Sorry for that horrible sentence structure.
Hope it made sense.
Uhm... Oh yah - they have 10 days from the day that the ballot is certified to bring any legal action. There is nothing I can find find that would suggest they need to do this before the election.
The rest of your post was too full of personal sentiment to really comment about. I don't want to get into that stuff, as it's a touchy subject, and everyone is entitled to their opinions. I *do* admire the passion this election has garnered. I happen to prefer patriotism over cynasism. So <S> for that.
About my being from Canada... Yup, born and raised. My Mother (deceased) and Father are American, moving to Canada right after graduating from USC. My Brother went to the same university and is currenlty living in Los Angeles, writing for the LA Times. I myself just moved here after spending several years in NYC going to college and working. And I can in all honesty say that I had more knowledge of US politics than anyone that I ever ran into in NYC. Erhm... ya that is all.
Anyways Toad - if you can point out to me on that site where a re-vote is out of the question on legal grounds I'd be grateful.
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I belive this issue should be decided, by the principles involved, in the time honored way. Through the use of dueling pistols.
The men chosen as seconds will be critical. Therefore I suggest George Sr. to stand with his son. And Janet Reno to stand with Gore
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Jeepers easymo, I was gonna recommend a simple coin toss but I gotta admit I like yer idea (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Another thing I want to say is that I am totally dismayed that the quality of 19,000 democrats seems to suggest that they cannot understand even a reasonably clear ballot.
I have seen the ballot and I didnt have to put any real thought into it. Seemed pretty clear to me (perhaps a pistol to the head might have fogged things up for me, I dunno).
I dont want to denegrade those 19,000 poor souls as perpeptually stupid but it seems that the *village smarts* really took a nasty hit of stupid for a few hours there!
I understand there were problems with some being able to READ the ballot and that many had trouble SPEAKING ENGLISH!!!!!!!!!!
AND ANOTHER THING:
If that county in Florida gets to vote again (Ive never heard of the term re-vote, have you, Canadians excluded of course (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif), then the rest of Florida should get to vote again.
If Florida gets to vote again the I SURE AS HELL WANT TO VOTE AGAIN!!!!!!!
Yeager
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Lol (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
It's so a matter of perspective. Republicans see these 19,000 people as morons. Democrats see them as victims. So typical by both sides (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Heard this evening on Fox News from a Democratic Senator that by Florida law the incumbent party of the serving governor is always listed first on the ballot to be followed second by the largest challenger. I know it was listed this way on my ballot in Tampa (Hillsborough County). I know it wasn't listed this way in Palm County. I don't know legally what that implicates but the democrat lawyer was sure excited about it. It might be the loop hole they were looking for.
Eagler
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Eagler - from what I understand... The ballot that the people in PBC were faced with was different from the rest of the State, and was also appearently different from the sample ballot sent out prior to the election. I havent been able to verify that though. Anyone know?
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The ballots were printed in the local newspaper. But that brings us back to that pesky, need to know how to read, thing
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What I'm saying is that what was printed in the paper *differed* from what the voters were faced with. Again... I haven't been able to double check that. Also, the voter instruction booklet in Palm Beach was completely wrong in how to go about selecting the appropriate box.
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Ripsnort posted an interesting thread that states precedents to this kind of situation. Basically those people asking for a "re-vote" because they dinnae take the time to READ properly (wow, an extra 30-60seconds for a MAJOR decision) were stuck with thier mistakes. It wasn't anyone's fault but thier own for not taking that extra 30-60seconds.
I've seen the image of the ballot, and there is absolutely nothing confusing about it. Last time I actually used a voting machine (been absentee for almost 5yr now) I got to look at the ballot before I put it into the machine, and I knew exactly which holes to punch when I put it in the machine. When I saw the image of the PBC ballot it was no different, I knew exactly which one to punch within 20second of looking at it.
Maybe I'm alot more intelligent than the average PBC democrat.
What it boils down to is these people are crying for not doing thier DUTY to take a few extra minutes and make sure they marked thier ballot correctly for thier choice. Now they're trying to avoid personal responsibility for thier mistakes by crying the ballot was confusing.
Got one thing to say to that claim:
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Now Gore and his crew are being a bunch of spoiled brat crybabies. Support the idiots who screwed up and try to blame someone else, then file a suit of thier own, then withdraw that suit so they can take a little more time and draw up a larger suit to file.
And all of this after Gore had called Bush to concede the race. As far as I'm concerned that's where it should've ended. Gore threw in the towel. Now he's a spoiled brat who sees a chance to manipulate the media and public to try and get his way. And he said he dinnae want to divide the country... yeah, right.
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Cave - strip away the insulting, innacurate and disengenous rhetoric of your post and get back to me. I'm sure there's something relevant there... but who's gonna wade through all that to find it?
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Fellas, I've been following this entire mess and I'd like to weigh in here. Couple of things I haven't seen mentioned.
1. I have used the butterfly ballot several times before. Both in California and here in Nevada. It is terribly simple if you only take a moment to READ the ballot.
2. I have seen on Newsmax.com where with the continued counting of ballots from absentees nationwide, Bush has narrowed the popular vote to within 100,000 with an estimated 2-3 million still outstanding. This isn't getting much play in the mainstream media but it strikes me that Bush could still secure a popular vote victory.
3. There has been tremendous hue and cry over alleged fraud in Florida. I have seen little mainstream media coverage of the fraud alleged in Democratic strongholds such as St. Louis and Milwaukee. There are several states, Iowa, Wisconsin, New Mexico where Bush lost by fewer than 5,000 votes. The Democratic Party has a history of vote stealing. As a student of American History, (majored in it) I am well aware that both parties have stolen elections in the past. However, the Democratic Party's history is better documented and more extensive than the Republicans.
I have been dismayed by the entire scene. I am trying to remain upbeat but I think if the recount in Florida goes against Bush, he will simply concede, while if it goes against Gore he will take the fight to the courts. This will speak volumes as to which is the man of honor.
I honestly believe that in it's heart of hearts, America is a conservative country, in someways the election mirrors that. The people don't seem to want any real change especially economically. On the other hand, perhaps we've sold our souls and social mores for a few more bucks in our wallet by not extending a significant mandate to Mr. Bush. I thought it was lock. Looking at the USA Today county by county vote map it seems to me that the city vs. the country has polarized the nation.
I still pray that Mr. Bush will yet take the reins of the country. But then I ask myself if it might not be a Pyrhhic victory.
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1) It was simple for you. Good. Is this an election or some kind of school test? A ballot's only function is to register the will of each voter. That there was any confusion, let alone the numbers reported in Florida, is unfortunate. *You're* ease with the ballot, however, has nothing to do with it. Unless your saying that the people of less... I don't know.... reading/comprehension skill, hand/eye coordination... whatever... don't deserve a say in their own destiny.
2) You have that wrong. NewsMax isn't reporting the vote to be "within' 100,000...". Their tally, as of this post, is 193,434 more votes going to Gore.
3) Not true - nobody is crying fraud in Florida. However, like you, I have also seen no mainstream media coverage of the fraud alleged in St. Louis and Milwaukee. I also haven't seen any "alternative" media reporting that. Where are you getting that? Further, exactly what has either party's past WRT election stealing got to do with this election?
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I like your idea easymo, but it wouldnt be fair. Liberals dont like guns, Gore might accidently shoot himself.
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2 quick points:
1)Now that those voters in Florida know that the whole Presidential Election rides on their votes, how do you ensure a fair voting process? You quite simply CANNOT. How many votes will Nader or Buchanan get now that those same voters know that those 2 options aren't viable?
2) I haven't seen anyone on the board mention anything of the approxiamtely 20,000 voters in the Florida panhandle who are saying that they didn't bother to vote after the media declared Gore the winner in Florida prematurely. You see, the media forgot one very important fact; those voters were in a different time zone than the rest of Florida. Many voters were still in line, or on their way to the polls, when the media had already given the state to Gore. They still had an hour to vote because of the time difference. What should be done in that situation?
In short, as long as the letter of the law was followed, whoever wins the recount should win the state. The country is on the edge of setting a very dangerous precedent.
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LuftJägerKorps (http://www.luftjagerkorps.com)
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Please re-read my last point above. If this is accurate, it will spell trouble for the Republicans. The issue was the first described as the alignment of the candidates to the punch holes but if by law, Gore was suppose to be listed 2nd, it is an illegal ballot. At the risk of sounding paranoid, I think it was planned this way. Follow me on this one:
1) A Democrat creates this ballot knowing if it went to court it would be deemed illegal.
2) This would not have been an issue if gore won by a huge majority as I do not think anyone would have caught it.
3) Another Democrat now points out this error to the rest of us, thus in their minds, requiring a re-vote in the areas of FL which used this "illegal" ballot.(Not all area did, I had a different format)
4) The re-vote is done two to three weeks after the election in which time the democrats have time to whip their supporters into a frenzy, ie Jesse Jackson, and paint the Bush group as the big "evil" of the country.
5) gore's appointment is in the bag as the re-vote puts him over the top in FL. Gives him numbers the military vote can not overcome.
Sad, scary, very possible if you ask me. The entire thing smells of a democ- RAT!
Eagler
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I agree, this whole thing could boil down to a point of law:
Was the ballot in accordance with state statute, which describes exactly how the ballot must look?
It is a YES or NO issue.
The fact that Democrats and Republicans both approved this ballot before the election is irrelevent.
The Democrats and Republicans cannot take away the right of a voter to have a ballot that is in conformance to law.
So, lets assume that the ballot in Palm Beach County, FL was illegal.
What do you do about it?
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I for one have noticed one similarity between Gore and Clinton; the minute it looks like Gore might become president he asks for a "hand job". (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
In all seriousness, it is the responsibility of the respective political committees to certify ballots before the election. This is to prevent events like we are now enduring. This was done in accordance with the law, and no complaints were raised. It is also the responsibility of the populace to educate themselves in the process. This may or may not have been done, but it is not the responsibility of the government to step in and protect people from their own ignorance.
No laws were broken, unless you want to obfuscate on the meaning of the law. This is precisely why 50 lawyers flew down to Florida. Folks, you are gonna hear some wonderful derivations of Florida voting law soon.
It was a close election, but it was as legal an election as we are likely to ever get. Gore lost, and the absentee votes will further verify this point (if the history of absentee military voting is any indication). To selectively revote in strong Democratic counties is not going to get a fair result. Thanks to our liberal media many voters went home after hearing the results of the state were in. Why stand in line when the state has been decided?
Gore is becoming the master of doublespeak, for sure. He doesn't want to divide the country, but dragging this thing through court will certainly accomplish division. Even now the Democrats are raising money to support lawsuits against the state of Florida. That ought to unify the state, much less the country!
Fact is, we are going to see recount after recount until the Democrats get the result they are seeking, pure and simple. In the meantime, they are laying the groundwork for a long legal battle in the event the recount process is exhausted. The war of rhetoric is begun, and this is going to be sorely embarassing for us all.
By all means, give Gore his hand job. Maybe Monica can personally fly down to Florida to oversee the process. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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So, lets assume that the ballot in Palm Beach County, FL was illegal.
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From a judical point of view you simply throw those PBC precinct ballots away. There can be no re-vote. The only way I will accept another vote is for the entire nation to do so and this is not supported in the constitution.
Yeager
PS Leonid,
I could not reply to your email due to a mail server error. In any event, you are a skilled opponent and a pleasure to compete with and against. Please dont let this off topic discussion taint your view of the game.
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Originally posted by Nash:
Anyways, thanks for that link Toad. Couldn't find a whiff of Florida voting law in any of those several thousand links though. Care to point it out for me?
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Anyways Toad - if you can point out to me on that site where a re-vote is out of the question on legal grounds I'd be grateful.
Yes, I think this will result in some reforms. Obviously in ballots themselves. I also hope for more precise identification and confirmation of legal voters. I'd like to see more careful oversight of voting times, places and the ballot boxes themselves. We've taken all this for granted too long. It's quite obvious now the process is too important to treat casually. It has underscored the importance of one vote.
I'm not "dinging" you for being a Canadian and perhaps I was a bit premptory there. However, I do get a bit miffed at times when people don't avail themselves of the information available to them with a few quick clicks on a Web Browser. I apologize for being a bit short, I shouldn't have included you in that opinion.
IMHO, a revote on a National Office isn't really a Florida issue. That's why I pointed to the FEC link. There is a reason why we all vote on one day.
I don't think it would be reasonable or fair to allow one state to re-vote for President after they have had a look a what all the other states did.
Would anyone approve of an election in 2004 that made 49 states vote on the 1st Tuesday of November but let California wait until the 3rd Tuesday?
No, that would be patently unfair and incorrect. Yet this is essentially what some want for Florida.
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You Republicans are right, the people have spoken:
Gore: 49,108,420
Bush: 48,889,821
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And the Electoral College is just an anachronism, we should ignore "this" vote, right? I guess that 200+ years as a written law is a bit confusing
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Originally posted by banana:
You Republicans are right, the people have spoken:
Gore: 49,108,420
Bush: 48,889,821
Yep
Bush: 271 Electoral Votes
Gore: 260 Electoral Votes
Eagler
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I'm fully aware that Bush will win because of the electoral college. I was merely pointing out that more voters want Gore to be president than Bush.
Pretty hard to deny, or should I say swallow, that fact, eh?
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Well, Gore does lead by a whopping .00223064%.
Of course, not all ballots are counted in all states....and the absentee ballots are not counted in all states...and the recounts are not complete...and the recounts of the recounts are not complete yet.
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Actually Eagler,
Bush: 246 Electoral Votes
Gore: 260 Electoral Votes
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Don't forget the fact that Bush (and Gore) have received more of the popular vote than Clinton did in either of his two elections. Seems he, Clinton, did alright with the populous (how, I sure as heck don't know).
Please those numbers are fluid and changing by the day..
Eagler
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Oh, I see the problem now...
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Originally posted by Nash:
Actually Eagler,
Bush: 246 Electoral Votes
Gore: 260 Electoral Votes
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Nope Nash
We are both wrong, you forgot FL and I just heard they took New Mexico away from gore. Too close to call (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Eagler
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They've been that way for 2 days now and wont change for another week... at the very earliest.
That Gore leads the Popular vote AND the Electoral College is not up for dispute.
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banana as I see you are in this camp of "majority rules", you then have to admit that Clinton has been in office by being elected by a minority vote,right?
Bush & Perot represent the majority and Dole and Perot represent yet another majority that were refused office,right???
I just don't understand why you feel the rules need to be changed!!! The rules were fine for the last 2 elections, why should they be changed now???
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Brrzzzzzt. Wrong Eagler. I didn't forget Florida.... It belongs to neither of them.
New Mexico's status now doesn't change Gore's lead in both the Popular and Electoral College.
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1776, all I said is that Gore has more votes than Bush. Am I wrong?
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Originally posted by Nash:
Brrzzzzzt. Wrong Eagler. I didn't forget Florida.... It belongs to neither of them.
New Mexico's status now doesn't change Gore's lead in both the Popular and Electoral College.
Trust me, Florida is Bush's. New Mexico is unknown at the moment. When it's all said and done it wouldn't surprise me that Bush wins both. Seems voting corruption is surfacing everywhere today.
Eagler
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Trust you?
Good one (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I suppose you oughtta march down to Florida and tell THEM this bit of news. It would save them an awful lot of headaches and they could now move forward with the process of healing.
People, move along now. The shows over. Eagler says so (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Nash:
Trust you?
Good one (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I suppose you oughtta march down to Florida and tell THEM this bit of news. It would save them an awful lot of headaches and they could now move forward with the process of healing.
People, move along now. The shows over. Eagler says so (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Thanks Nash (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
It ain't over yet though...
Eagler
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banana - not sure if you should bother... 1776 has the facts completely pooched on that one as well.
Where are you people getting your info from? By all means please continue with the distortions, exagerations and downright falsehoods though... It's bloody fun stuff (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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"I'm fully aware that Bush will win because of the electoral college. I was merely pointing out that more voters want Gore to be president than Bush." banana
Geeez,banana you can't even quote yourself!!!
You also stated a comment that clearly puts you in the "majority rules" camp. Was trying to indicate how that could be a real mess if ya thinking along those lines!!
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Originally posted by funked:
Call in the lawyers and try to get the rules changed. A new low for the Democrats. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
SOP for Dems (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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hehe, 1776. What I was doing is trying to get a rise out you Reps today. Thanks for making me successful!
All in good fun, bud. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I am glad you are having fun. I also hope you have a better understanding how some of us think and feel about this great nation!!
I take no offence and surely mean no offence.
However, we today in our nation's history are seeing history in the making!!! We are a part of this even on this BBS!! If ya voted you are a real part of history and your signature at the polling place will attest to your part in this event!!! I and many others see this election as a crossroads in the course this nation will take into the future.
Our country is divided in many ways now and the Clinton era has heighten those divisions.
Nothing has been accomplished in the past eight years (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) A failed attempt to take over 1/7 of the economy, health care, taxes raised, and behavior that in the past would not have been tolerated. No fix for Social Security or Medi-care.
I and others hope that a united republican government might address these issues and repair the damage done to our nation by the last 8 years.
Will the republicans do what they have promised? I don't know, but I do know that the Democrats promised to do something and nothing was accomplished!! This election is serious business and anyone that didn't participate in this election is a fool!!!
Now the real question to be answered will Algore be able to set aside his lust for power to help heal the nation and will the democrats be able to accept the roll of minority? It will take something I have never seen displayed by the modern democrats,
statesmanship!!