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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Bodhi on August 27, 2006, 10:11:19 AM
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/27/plane.crash/index.html
From what the story says, it went in about a mile after take off. 49 people are known dead, and atleast one person survived.
Very sad. :(
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RIP. It's been incredible the U.S. airline industry since AAL587 and hope we keep doing as well.
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Apparently the wreckage is at the end of a runway which wasn't active.
:(
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Anyone hear anything else?
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Wreck is about 40 miles from me. Pilot tried to put it down in a field. It didn't nose dive, but make a hard flat landing. Apparently the plane is relatively intact, most of the people probably burned to death.
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/27/plane.crash/index.html
Was just reading and apparently the only survivor is the FO and he's listed in critical condition in the hospital. CNN is also saying the aircraft may have taken off on the wrong runway??? Apparently it was cleared to 2 - 20 (7000') and instead used 8 - 26 (3500'). As usual it is news speculation, not sure what that RJ's short field take off is.... anyone else know?
Hope the guy pulls through.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/27/plane.crash/index.html
Was just reading and apparently the only survivor is the FO and he's listed in critical condition in the hospital. CNN is also saying the aircraft may have taken off on the wrong runway??? Apparently it was cleared to 2 - 20 (7000') and instead used 8 - 26 (3500'). As usual it is news speculation, not sure what that RJ's short field take off is.... anyone else know?
Hope the guy pulls through.
Fully loaded RJ needs 5,600' Just tried a T/O with a RJ (MSFS) fully loaded on RW 8-26 and ran out of concrete at 110 knots :( How the hell could that have happened? (assuming it did)
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That's the second (maybe 3rd) plane crash this week...sad for all involved
I was out shopping yesterday and heard on the news that a small plane went down into Lake Ontario??? Haven't listened to news since.
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Yes the wrong runway was used, confusion was apparently due to construction. Poor folks just didn't have enough tarmac to get lift & down they went. It's a sad thing, especially seeing that they burned to death. Maybe this accident will help stop it from happening again in the future.
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I can't stand to listen to the news reports. The MSNBC ****** acting angry that the resuce workers aren't commenting on which runway it took off of. Saying it's been 6 hours, we should know this by now. Taking the tone it's to crewmembers fault he survived the accident.
CNN:
"It appears the pilot has used the wrong runway. During the press conference the Comair president and other officials warn against speculation because it's possible that it did not take off using 24, but that appears to be not what happened." I hate news reporters.
"Tears stream down your face
When you lose something you cannot replace
Tears stream down your face
And I..."
I promise you I will learn from the mistakes.
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If I'm ever in a plane crash, I hope its doing 600mph when it hits the ground. Burning to death has to be excruciatingly painful.
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Wikipedia already has a page up for the crash
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comair_Flight_5191
The co-pilot was rescued from the plane.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
If I'm ever in a plane crash, I hope its doing 600mph when it hits the ground. Burning to death has to be excruciatingly painful.
the natural reaction for me is to tell you to shut up. There'd be a couple words between shut and up. There'd be several more descritpive words after it.
Edit your post and I'll take down mine.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Burning to death has to be excruciatingly painful.
You'll most likely die to suffocation long before burning. Either the smoke or heat will get to your lungs first, which of the smoke is most likely cause in a plane. The mental side of the ordeal is worse than the pain - the panic.
In general only a very few people die to the fire itself - Majority of the deaths are due to smoke inhalation.
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No fishu, I don't believe thats the case. The CRJ was loaded with fuel. It still takes a minute or two to pass out in a smoke filled cabin. Ever see the video of the 707 that was crash-landed for a test? Flames rip through the cabin, not a whole lot of smoke. Its got to be a horrible way to die.
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if I were the co-pilot, I don't know whether I'd want to be the only survivor, especially if I were flying that takeoff.
My heart goes to the families of those who died, and to the guy who survived. Somehow, I think he's got the worst burden to bear.
Get in after midnight. Hotel by 1 AM. Wakeup call at 4:30, shuttle to airport. Taxi out, take the first left instead of the second (possibly made worse by repaving that removes some of the markings). First sign that anything is wrong is after rotation, when you hit the trees.
Yuck. poor guy.
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5- Flamebaiting, trolling, or posting to incite or annoy is not allowed.
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Originally posted by Pooh21
5- Flamebaiting, trolling, or posting to incite or annoy is not allowed.
What's that? Wouldn't telling the whole story be the honorable thing or are you thinking samurai honorable thing? If he could have saved a life in exchange for his as a crewmember I am sure he would. It's not his fault he survived.
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Whats the honorable thing?
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5- Flamebaiting, trolling, or posting to incite or annoy is not allowed.
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Originally posted by Pooh21
5- Flamebaiting, trolling, or posting to incite or annoy is not allowed.
We're not all as ignorant as you think.
I hope he lives. I hope he comes back to flying. I hope you have to look him in the eye when he's wearing his fourth stripe on a mainline aircraft.
What are you going to tell him then?
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Originally posted by Pooh21
Seppuku
What's that supposed to mean?
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Originally posted by Chairboy
What's that supposed to mean?
It means an email was sent to Skuzzy.
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In 1993, the pilot of an air carrier filed a report with the NASA ASRS (aviation safety reporting system) after nearly departing from runway 26 when instructed to depart from runway 22 at Lexington.
The report reads, "Aircraft was cleared for immediate takeoff (traffic was inside the marker) on runway 22 at KLEX. We taxied onto the runway and told tower we needed a moment to check our departure routing with our weather radar (storms were in the area, raining at the airport). We realized our heading was not currect for our assigned runway and at that moment, tower called us to cancel the takeoff clearance because we were lined up on runway 26. We taxied clear and then held short of runway 22 for landing traffic. We took off on runway 22 and proceeded without incident. Possible contributing factors were poor visibbility and weather (rain. Confusing runway intersection and tower's request for an immediate takeoff. Suggest possible warning page (similar to Houston Hobby) to clarify multiple runway ends."
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Originally posted by Pooh21
5- Flamebaiting, trolling, or posting to incite or annoy is not allowed.
Simply beyond decency. What's the matter with you?
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how was the FO the only survivor was he just extremely lucky or did the cockpit section of the plane break off on impact?...
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I'd agree with Golfer, what more punishment could he be put through then being the only survivor in a plane crash, and be a crew member? Let the man be, he will have more nightmares then most could dream of. My condolences to him and the others on the plane.
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Pooh21, I believe the comment was mean spirited, whether it was a joke or not.
While cracking-wise over this incident, perhaps you should take a moment to imagine what the last minute was like for those terrified passengers as they died. You may or may not know that both of my wife's parents died a few months ago in a house fire, so perhaps the fiery death of those passengers resonates more strongly with me than others, but no day passes without me imagining what it was like.
I went through the wreckage of their home and I identified their bodies, so I have a pretty vivid image of what the rescuers, clean up crews, and families are going through right now.
I'm thankful that your comment was not transmitted to them or the immediate family of the first officer. Go look up survivors guilt and try to imagine how that might apply to him, then let us know how you feel.
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Originally posted by RAIDER14
how was the FO the only survivor was he just extremely lucky or did the cockpit section of the plane break off on impact?...
Raider I'd bet that most of the people at least survived the crash. The airplane was generally intact and some impact deaths no doubt occured. The way the airplane sat on the ground it had become for the most part stopped intact while consumed by a post impact fire. Look at the pictures, watch some news and use your brain. The cockpit was the only part not burned to the ground.
There's no doubt he's lucky. As I said above I hope he makes it back to flying and Pooh has to look him in the eye one day.