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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Puck on August 27, 2006, 10:21:50 PM
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Here she is after undergoing re-work to repair issues identified by the test pilots.
In any event:
(http://www.ahevents.com/MA1.jpg)
(http://www.ahevents.com/MA3.jpg)
Here we have the world-famous NF5-aL during a live fire excersize. The FN badge is also bass-ackwards, reading NF from this side. Bah.
(http://www.ahevents.com/MA2.jpg)
(http://www.ahevents.com/MA4.jpg)
(http://www.ahevents.com/MA5.jpg)
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What happened to the camo on top of the stabilizers? Now it's all one color.
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You noticed that, eh?
Near as I could tell it's a double reversed mirror. Without any guide to what La-5FN cammo looks like on the stabilizers I just removed it. I did fix the starboard star (half mirror/half placed, and the placed was a couple pixels off) and the dorsal cammo merge, which was also off. There were six or seven other places where the map was off by a few pixels here or there, such as the cowl band. I spent quite a bit of time chasing map anomolies that apparently can't be fixed at all.
I lost patience with the horizontal stabilizer leading edge.
Hopefully some day in the not too distant future the Lavochkins will get updated maps.
Here's what I mean about the leading edge. Given this map:
(http://www.ahevents.com/rudder.jpg)
You get this result:
(http://www.ahevents.com/result.jpg)
Thre might be a pattern that you can twist into working with that mess, but I couldn't find it.
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Ahhh... I see the problem. I've got similar problems on the C205.
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F4Us have problems like that, too.
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Apparently Supafly went through a lazy phase (LOL just kidding don't smite me, oh great Supa!)
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Originally posted by Krusty
Apparently Supafly went through a lazy phase (LOL just kidding don't smite me, oh great Supa!)
Smite him! Smite him!
:D
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the colors look very good but needs more detailing
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I'm guessing Fester there means that aside from the few streaks/stains, there's little weathering. The colors are mostly clean and clear.
If that's what he means I think I'd have to agree. I just thought you'd add more, when I first saw this post.
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nah i mean make it look like a wood and metal airplane and I will leave that vague because im lazy :D
the weathering is ok though it is light.
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Puck, do you know about panel lines highlights?
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Yeah, she's DEFINATELY short on panel detailing.
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...unfortunately I'm definately short on panel line details. The modeling views I have only show the major seams, which look like sub assembly points and not panels. I could e-wag a bunch of them, but I'm not sure it's time to go that far.
I asked Skuzzy about the mirrored details, and he's going to ask Pyro. Give or take if they have an ETA for an updated model I may wait to add the fine work (like guessing at panel lines and embossing them). The La-7 at least doesn't mirror on the fuselage; even that would be a huge help on the La-5. Once I hear back from The Dark Powers I'll decide what to do next.
As for weathering, I've changed how I do that so adding more will be significantly easier. The whole thing goes back into the paint shop, then I'm putting it in a weathering tank for a few days to wear it out a bit. It should look like it's seen a Russian winter before I'm done.
Overall my biggest dissapointment is nobody asked what the text on the access panels is. It's cyrillic, it actually says something, and it's a 4 point font :D
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insistance on panel lines is one of the things that annoys me with AH skins, on most aircraft the majority are not very visible at all, just the access panels are visible.
LA-9
(http://www.ukairshows.info/2003/airshows/duxfordoct/photographs/la9_2.jpg)
262
(http://p.airliners.net/photos/photos/5/1/8/0652815.jpg)
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I think using pictures of aircraft kept under museum-quality conditions where giving the plane a good wash or a fresh coat of paint isn't secondary to repairing battle damage and just keeping the thing flying is a poor argument for "no visible panel lines" (not to mention the fact when was the last time that 262 did more than just sit indoors?)
I can see all manner of dirt, smoke and other debris working into the cracks between the panels and making them more readily visible on an aicraft being maintaned under combat conditions.
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Check out some photos in my 109F thread. You can see the huge trench of a panel line by the tail in the close up of the rudder. There are other noticable joins as well.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Check out some photos in my 109F thread. You can see the huge trench of a panel line by the tail in the close up of the rudder. There are other noticable joins as well.
Yes, but the Germans were famous for not taking care of their airplanes. Russian aircraft, on the other hand, after living outdoors for a Russian winter and flying a few hundred sorties, always looked factory fresh. That was one advantage of socialist aircraft. The other was impeccable quality control.
Whatever skin I use for the Dora has really, REALLY annoying panel line details. They're about all you can see. Looks like the beast has some form of pox. If I didn't know better I'd say it was skinned with rivets that were welded together to form a plate. Somewhere between "none" and "nothing but" there's a lovely middle ground.
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Originally posted by Puck
Yes, but the Germans were famous for not taking care of their airplanes. Russian aircraft, on the other hand, after living outdoors for a Russian winter and flying a few hundred sorties, always looked factory fresh. That was one advantage of socialist aircraft. The other was impeccable quality control.
:confused: :huh :confused: :huh :( :huh :confused:
I don't think you realize that it was historically the other way around. many VVS planes were "disposable" planes, not meant to last longer than 6 months. Most LW planes were well cared for, cleaned, and polished regularly. Just an FYI.
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Originally posted by Krusty
:confused: :huh :confused: :huh :( :huh :confused:
I don't think you realize that it was historically the other way around. many VVS planes were "disposable" planes, not meant to last longer than 6 months. Most LW planes were well cared for, cleaned, and polished regularly. Just an FYI.
What a pity satire and sarcasm just don't flow well in electronic formats. If the Soviets made ANYTHING with good quality control I'm not aware of it :)
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lol, hence my confused line of emoticons. I thought you were being serious!
But I hear ya, trying to get sarcasm across without the old rolleyes is very hard to do.
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Here's a factory fresh late model LaGG-3. Only flown once by a little old babushka from Petropavlovsk... Much nicer than some ratty old termite infested Dora!
(http://www.ahevents.com/LaGG3.jpg)
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Originally posted by Krusty
I'm guessing Fester there means that aside from the few streaks/stains, there's little weathering. The colors are mostly clean and clear.
If that's what he means I think I'd have to agree. I just thought you'd add more, when I first saw this post.
I think what Fester is referring to is the overall look of the plane is "flat".
Look at the La-9 picture that Furball posted ... look at the left wing ... you can see the underlying superstructure thru the skin.
If you can apply the same look and technique that was applied to the ailerons/elevators ... to the whole plane ... it would look incredible.