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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hawklore on August 28, 2006, 11:09:14 AM
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Allright, the parents have decided against moving...
Well, we still don't have enough space, but we do have half a 2 car garage that is being used for, well holding crap.
My mom has made a suggestion of putting a room in the garage.
So I made up a slight drawing of how to split the garage so we could fit a room into the other half.
Well, with living in FL and being prone to flooding, we occasionaly flood from underneath the garage door, so I want to put a concrete block wall where the door is, I figured it's simple enough.
My questions are,
Do building codes require the living spaces to be so many more inches off the ground to prevent flooding? Or is that our decision?
What is the formula to figure out how many concrete blocks you would need for said area to be walled off?
Here's the drawing.
Green=Existing Wall
Yellow=Concrete Block Wall
Brown/Baby ****=Drywall
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v14/Hawklore/garage23.jpg)
Dimensions of the garage door gap area after wood panneling is removed would/should be.
195" L
8.5" W
85" H
PS:
One more question,
What would I need to be able to put a concrete floater down to raise the height of the room up.
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Crap is wasting your space.
Know what I do with crap? Dispose of it.
You don't have to be monastic but simplify man.
You're not sexually active, at least not in your folk's house, so what do you need a bed for? Get rid of it, it's bad for your back anyway. Heck your room is probably carpeted so you don't even need a sleeping pad.
Entertainment center? Sell it. What use is a TV, you have VHS that you don't have on cd rom or dvd ? Besides, anything worth watching that comes on TV is on the intardnet.
Stereo? Why? Your parents let you have parties at the house? No. Sell it. MP3 player and your pc are all the entertainment electronics you need.
Man if it's not something you've used in the last year and it's not something you may need in an emergency then convert it into money.
Sell it.
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Originally posted by Hawklore
Well, we still don't have enough space, but we do have half a 2 car garage that is being used for, well holding crap.
A garage is for cars. If it's being used for "storage", it's time to get rid of a lot of stuff.
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Before you even think of converting a garage into a room, check the local ordnances. In most cases, you need a permit and various inspections. Once completed, your parents taxes will go up (depending on the state/local tax code) due to increase in living space.
If you do this buildout without going through the proper channels, your parents will pay dearly when they try to sell the house.
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:rofl Suave
Garage sale time Hawklore, make it a weekend affair and try to make $5 off the junk sitting around.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Before you even think of converting a garage into a room, check the local ordnances. In most cases, you need a permit and various inspections. Once completed, your parents taxes will go up (depending on the state/local tax code) due to increase in living space.
If you do this buildout without going through the proper channels, your parents will pay dearly when they try to sell the house.
Thanks Skuzz..
I'll be asking around about that aswell.
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Originally posted by Suave
You're not sexually active, at least not in your folk's house, so what do you need a bed for? Get rid of it, it's bad for your back anyway. Heck your room is probably carpeted so you don't even need a sleeping pad.
( I have a twin bed, I barely fit on that as is, it's used so I can atleast have room to sleep without shoving stuff onto the area I sleep.)
Entertainment center? (Don't Have One, unless you count where the TV and bookshelves all come together for watching of local news or DVD's.)
Stereo? (Don't have one of those either.)
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Why do you have the doors opening to inside?
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Originally posted by mora
Why do you have the doors opening to inside?
Incase of intruder it allows one to pin themselves against the door, not allowing someone to gain acess.
Or to baracade the door.
It makes more sense to have them go out, for room inside, but I prefer safety.
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welcome to the world of the new florida building code, by far the most stringent that i know of. you may thank the dade county building department for that. be prepared to dish out big bucks. then be prepared to dish out big bucks for the work too. around here you can no longer obtain owner/builder permits for anything!!!
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Originally posted by storch
welcome to the world of the new florida building code, by far the most stringent that i know of. you may thank the dade county building department for that. be prepared to dish out big bucks. then be prepared to dish out big bucks for the work too. around here you can no longer obtain owner/builder permits for anything!!!
What?
That's bull****.
One should be allowed to build onto their house as they see fit!
Ugh, well atleast I got my eletrical contractor coverd, now for the masonry.
There are mexicans down the road.. :p
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You dont fit on a twin size bed? :huh
Nobody mess with the hulk.
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
You dont fit on a twin size bed? :huh
Nobody mess with the hulk.
I sleep curled up so it's not that big of a deal,
I guess I do fit on it, just I do alot of floppin around!
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Before you even think of converting a garage into a room, check the local ordnances. In most cases, you need a permit and various inspections. Once completed, your parents taxes will go up (depending on the state/local tax code) due to increase in living space.
If you do this buildout without going through the proper channels, your parents will pay dearly when they try to sell the house.
What Skuzzy said... you screw around in Florida without a permit, and you might as well just bend over... because it is going right up the old arse whether you fight or not.
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Originally posted by Hawklore
Incase of intruder it allows one to pin themselves against the door, not allowing someone to gain acess.
Or to baracade the door.
It makes more sense to have them go out, for room inside, but I prefer safety.
you know up here we make the doors on a garage swing OUT because someone can not kick in an outsing door and rob it.
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carpet the garage and buy a BMW. :D
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Originally posted by Hawklore
195" L
8.5" W
85" H
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80 ea Blocks 8"x8"x16"
.26 CY mortar ".375 mortar joint"
Note:
Generally in florida the average garage remodel is done with frame and drywall, its cheaper and the future homeowners can remove the sticks easier then concrete blocks.
Floating a concrete floor on top of another concrete floor is possible, I wouldn't plan on getting an approved permit though....
GL
TJ
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Originally posted by T0J0
80 ea Blocks 8"x8"x16"
.26 CY mortar ".375 mortar joint"
Note:
Generally in florida the average garage remodel is done with frame and drywall, its cheaper and the future homeowners can remove the sticks easier then concrete blocks.
Floating a concrete floor on top of another concrete floor is possible, I wouldn't plan on getting an approved permit though....
GL
TJ
Thing is if we do this, there won't be future home owners.
Plus with hurricanes, and a tree directly across from the garage, a concrete wall makes sense, help prevent flooding into the room.
What is ea block? or is it 80 each block?
Moms also thinking of converting our yard into a car port, lol.
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im assuming the house is wood frame...why would you put a random cement wall into it? just lay down enough blocks to get where the door is to the same height as the rest of the foundation, and put a standard frame on it...
as for the cement floor, find out if you can put a raised wood floor in, again easier, less expensive, and requires fewer people wandering about your property while building it.
(keep in mind, i have no clue how those block jobs work, we pour the walls up here.)
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Originally posted by vorticon
im assuming the house is wood frame...why would you put a random cement wall into it? just lay down enough blocks to get where the door is to the same height as the rest of the foundation, and put a standard frame on it...
as for the cement floor, find out if you can put a raised wood floor in, again easier, less expensive, and requires fewer people wandering about your property while building it.
(keep in mind, i have no clue how those block jobs work, we pour the walls up here.)
Our house is concrete block.
Thus the block as a wall.
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This should work.
You may have to seal the lower joint of the wall (where it meets the floor).
You can do that nicely by cutting into the floor (concrete yes?) and inserting a metal sheet, - some 3 inches or so into the floor, and another 7 or so upwards into the wall.
Make the concrete of good strength and make some good framework (metal) to avoid cracks.
Putting concrete floor on top of concrete is no problem, - just have a decent framework in it.
If you need only an inch, you can also use the "float" concrete, which gives a very good and smooth finish, - no framework needed.
Now, coming from another country, I do not know the standards you have, but ours (Iceland) take earthquakes and floodings into account, and the regulations are quite strict.
If you need some parameters I will gladly post. (concrete strength dimensions in framework etc)
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You know I'm suprised how many people are being helpful, Thanks!
I was expecting another emotinal rape deal or something.
Off to go figure out what the regulations are!
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Before you even think of converting a garage into a room, check the local ordnances. In most cases, you need a permit and various inspections. Once completed, your parents taxes will go up (depending on the state/local tax code) due to increase in living space.
If you do this buildout without going through the proper channels, your parents will pay dearly when they try to sell the house.
This is Florida, you need a permit to erect a dog house! (well, it wouldn;t suprise me).
Listen to Skuzzy, if you don't do everything right you will be sorry.
(BTW Hawk, I live in Jax too)
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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
This is Florida, you need a permit to erect a dog house! (well, it wouldn;t suprise me).
Listen to Skuzzy, if you don't do everything right you will be sorry.
(BTW Hawk, I live in Jax too)
Yesar...
We're def. getting a permit.
It's only $80.00 or so for as small of an addition we are doing.
I had no idea FL was so strict.
But considering hurricanes and such it may not be such a bad idea.
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-Updated Schematic-
Added Pocket Door in the middle wall.
Added Wall Switches/Outlets and drywall to far right wall.
Added Exterior Light and Window.
Reversed Door swing. (I was thinking inside doors when I swung them the other way, thanks guys! )
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oh forgot to add this suggestion. if you intend on pouring concrete over existing concrete it's a good idea to add a coat of concrete bonding agent with a roller and allowing that to cure before pouring the fresh mud. Lanco/Harris makes a great product for about $28 per gallon iirc. It's the blue stuff not the white stuff. you should be able to get it at Home depot or Lowe's.
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Clean the old floor very well, then put on the bonding agent Storch mentioned.
It's normally an acrylic fluid (water solluble and smell like piss!)
Just make sure you have the structural standards.
The fact is that on a small job like this, it doesn't really cost so much keeping up to those.
Good luck mate ;)
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Originally posted by Sandman
A garage is for cars. If it's being used for "storage", it's time to get rid of a lot of stuff.
I work on peoples houses every day.
Experiance proves to me that the very vast majority of garages are used to store crap in, not cars.
It is the exeption rather then the norm when I come across a house with even a two car garage that actiually gets used to park cars in.
And even then its only 1 car, usually the wifes that gets parked there.
His car remains outside and his half of the garages is usually stuffed with stuff, or converted over into a workshop of sorts or storage area for lawn equipment LOL
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I work on peoples houses every day.
Experiance proves to me that the very vast majority of garages are used to store crap in, not cars.
It is the exeption rather then the norm when I come across a house with even a two car garage that actiually gets used to park cars in.
And even then its only 1 car, usually the wifes that gets parked there.
His car remains outside and his half of the garages is usually stuffed with stuff, or converted over into a workshop of sorts or storage area for lawn equipment LOL
:O
How'd you know!!!
OF course my mom is such a guy she's made it so that she has this uber big sorting hamper, and it takes up quite a good amount of space so that noone can park in there unless everything is crammed to the sides!
I plan on grinding down the concrete, and applying that fixitive!
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you don't need to grind the concrete, the bonding agent will adhere to the old surface very nicely.
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What Storch said.
Oh, but it has to be clean.
If it has fat or paint or something on it, you need to grind/polish (lack the word) the surface.
SAND, yes sand it...
But if it's nice and clean, just put the primer on.
Acrylic Primer.
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Originally posted by Angus
What Storch said.
Oh, but it has to be clean.
If it has fat or paint or something on it, you need to grind/polish (lack the word) the surface.
SAND, yes sand it...
But if it's nice and clean, just put the primer on.
Acrylic Primer.
I'm sure there are oil spots and stains from years of use before we used it..
And for when my dad has spilled things.. :lol
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a light washing with muriatic acid will lift up most anything on concrete, then hose it off. but the blue stuff will adhere even if there is oil/stuff on the concrete. paint is another story though.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I work on peoples houses every day.
Experiance proves to me that the very vast majority of garages are used to store crap in, not cars.
It is the exeption rather then the norm when I come across a house with even a two car garage that actiually gets used to park cars in.
And even then its only 1 car, usually the wifes that gets parked there.
His car remains outside and his half of the garages is usually stuffed with stuff, or converted over into a workshop of sorts or storage area for lawn equipment LOL
I have a two-car garage. Both of our vehicles are parked in it.
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Originally posted by Sandman
I have a two-car garage. Both of our vehicles are parked in it.
You'r a weirdo though Sandman....
Am I wrong people?
:p
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Oh boy..
Now this is expanding into a two story addon..
:eek: :confused:
Didn't realize what I was getting myself into...
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If your not experienced in building houses...I suggest a contractor. But who know...a 2 story fall is survivable...its just the debris that will kill you. :)
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just remember to have the concrete guys do the floor before the wall.