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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Wolfala on August 28, 2006, 04:55:09 PM
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This is a painful realization to how expensive it is for me to fly my favorite bird. With all the ammunication I go through in a given mission, all of that adds up to a specific $$ amount. Lets take a normally equipped P-47N for me. If I load it up and turn it into a flying gas can with 550 gals of gas, 3400 rounds of 50cal API with every 5th round being tracer, 2 1000lb bombs, 1 500 lb bomb and 10 rockets.
50 cal API is $2.03 x 2720 = $5521.60
50 cal API-T is $2.94 x 680 = $1999.20
10x 5 inch rockets (Using 2.75 FFAR pricing) at $482.20 = $4882.00
2 x 1000 lb bombs (MK-84 low drag pricing) at $3695.35 each = $7390.70
1 x 500 lb bomb (MK-82 low drag pricing) at $1706.97 each = $1706.97
550 gal AVGAS @ $5.00 / gal = $2750.00
Total: $24,250.47
Not included are hourly operating costs, maintence, engine replacement fund, insurance, cost for training, sexing and paying off your maintence chief who will make you **** the bullets he must take from your airframe. Thought you guys should know
Best,
Wolf
The cost matrix is from below.
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Munitions Acquisition Cost
Table A11-1 is provided for the purpose of estimating munition costs. Munition costs reflect the contract price per unit, as of the last procurement escalated to current dollars. For Items procured through the Single Manager for Conventional Ammunition (SMCA) costs may vary each year due to changes in price surcharges. Item costs are generally for the most common complete round configuration and do not include minor sub-component items like clips, wires, plugs, etc. OPR: Capt Brian Withrow, HQ USAF/ILSR, DSN: 225-2840
AFI 65-503 COST AND PLANNING FACTORS
Attachment 11
May-97
WEAPON 97 $
ROCKETS
2.75" HE W/MK66 $482.20
2.75" WP W/MK66 $484.36
2.75" SIGNATURE $461.18
SIGNALS, MARKERS, FLARES
AIRBURST SIMULATOR M74A1 $21.62
ALA-17 $357.60
GROUNDBURST SIMULATOR $5.28
LUU-2B FLARE $557.35
LUU-4 $450.00
M-206 CART FLARE# $12.24
MJU-10B FLARE# $60.32
MJU-2 $131.31
MJU-23 FLARE# $803.86
MJU-7B FLARE# $23.31
RR-170 $1.97
RR-180 CHAFF# $13.99
RR-188 CHAFF# $2.33
SIGNAL PERS DISTRESS KIT $93.00
SMOKEY SAM SIMULATOR $101.05
# PRICE INCLUDES IMPULSE CARTRIDGE
CARTRIDGES
.50 CALIBER API $2.03
.50 CALIBER 4-I $2.39
.50 BALL $2.50
.50 CALIBER API-T $2.94
5.56MM BALL $0.39
5.56MM BLANK, SAW $0.35
5.56MM TRACER, SAW $0.52
7.62MM BALL & TRACER OR BALL $0.60
7.62MM 4-I $0.72
7.62MM MATCH GRADE $0.97
7.62MM TR $0.38
20MM HCI PGU-28 $16.91
20MM PGU-27 $4.87
20MM TPT BULK PGU-30 $8.31
30MM TP $7.73
30MM HEI $24.75
40MM HEDO $15.41
40MM TP M781/M888 $2.12
40MM HEDP $16.14
40MM CS $8.95
40MM API $7.82
40MM TP $14.54
105MM HE $160.00
105MM WP $63.72
12 GA SHOTGUN 00 BUCKSHOT $0.30
9MM BALL $0.13
CLUSTER BOMBS
CBU-52 $2,280.00
CBU-58 $2,973.00
CBU-71 $4,692.00
CBU-87 $12,370.30
CBU-87(WCMD) $55,746.00
CBU-89 $40,114.21
CBU-97 (SFW) $329,084.00
CBU-97 (SFW)(WCMD) $349,524.00
MK-20 ROCKEYE $3,711.00
UNGUIDED BOMBS
BDU-33 25 LB $16.04
BDU-50 LOW DRAG (INERT) $502.77
BDU-50 HIGH DRAG (INERT) $831.77
MK-82 LOW DRAG $1,706.97
MK-82 HIGH DRAG $2,117.97
MK-84 LOW DRAG (INERT) $2,380.00
MK-84 HIGH DRAG (INERT) $3,576.38
MK-84 LOW DRAG $3,695.35
MK-84 HIGH DRAG $5,755.93
BDU-56 $3,576.38
BLU-109 $10,229.87
M-117 $999.40
NOTE: MINOR SUBCOMPONENTS INCLUDING CLIPS, WIRES, PLUGS, ETC ARE NOT INCLUDED IN ABOVE PRICES.
GUIDED BOMBS
GBU-10 (MK84) $24,721.89
GBU-10 (I2K) $30,501.42
GBU-12 $21,896.00
GBU-15 (TV) $224,882.84
GBU-15 (IR) $222,038.12
GBU-15 $227,264.12
GBU-15 (IR) $224,419.40
GBU-24 (MK-84) $54,246.38
GBU-24 (I2K) $60,641.34
GBU-27 $58,222.14
GBU-28 $100,699.00
JDAM/MK-84 $22,339.27
JSOW/BASELINE $188,048.00
JSOW/BLU-108 $324,996.00
NOTE: MINOR SUBCOMPONENTS INCLUDING CLIPS, WIRES, PLUGS, ETC ARE NOT INCLUDED IN ABOVE PRICES.
MISSILES
AGM-65A MAVERICK $17,505.00
AGM-65B MAVERICK $19,000.00
AGM-65D MAVERICK $112,000.00
AGM-65G MAVERICK $109,763.00
AGM-84 HARPOON $334,100.00
AGM-86C CALCM $600,000.00
AGM-88B $181,458.88
AGM-88C HARM $235,986.48
AGM-130 A/C IR $360,766.00
AGM-130 TV $331,000.00
AGM-142A HAVE NAP $737,000.00
AGM-142D HAVE NAP $635,000.00
AIM-7M $178,474.14
AIM-9M $44,080.00
AIM-120A $1,079,600.40
AIM-120B AMRAAM $525,564.00
OTHERS
JPF $3,793.00
Munitions Designators
Designator Description
AGM Air To Ground Missile
AIM Air To Air Infrared Missile
ALA Ancilliary Light Assy.
API Armor Piercing Incendiary
API-T Armor Piercing Incend.w/TR
BDU Simulated Bomb Units
CBU Cluster Bomb Unit
CS Chemical Fill
GBU Guided Bomb Unit
HE High Exlosive
HED High Explosive
HEI High Explosive Incendiary
HEIT High Explosive Dual Purpose
LAU Launcher
LUU Luminating Unit
M Model Designator
MK Mark/Model Designator
MJU Munition Countermeasure
PGU Ammunition Unit
RR Radar Reflector
SAM Surface To Air Missile
S&I Smoke & Illuminating
TP Target Practice
TPT TP-Tracer
TR Tracer
WP White Phosphorous
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Well if you break it down it costs that much, sure.
I'm pretty sure the Government didn't really pay for it. They probably just offered credit or some such, and when you pay for 10,000,000 50cal rounds in one lump sum shipment, 1,000 rounds doesn't really add up to that much.
Heh... They spend 1 BILLION (that's a B, not an M) on a Stealth Bomber nowadays. I think that P47 is starting to look pretty darned good to the bean counters in THIS economy! :O
EDIT: Dayum, imagine what it costs to maintain warbird P47s NOW, inflation 2x.
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Looks good now, but imagine back then, was a good sum back in the 40's.
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An even better concept to think on is the weight of the plane at takeoff.
550 gals of gas=3300 lbs.
2X1000lbs= 2000 lbs
1X500lbs= 500 lbs
10 HVAR = 800 lbs (I think 80lbs per rocket)
3400 rds of .50 cal @ 25lbs per 100 rounds = 850 lbs
Plus the FAA alotted 170lbs per pilot = 170 lbs
Grand total of 7620 lbs give or take.
That's about the weight of a Spitfire isn't it? Probably the only fighter in the game with a >10:1 power ratio...
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Can you get bulk 50s from Wal-Mart? :D
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Wondered about that - how much 50cal a squad would go through in a typical month in either the ETO or PTO. Anyone know how procurement worked 60 years ago and how stuff was purchased at what cost?
Wolf
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Wolfala,
Congratulations on the nerdiest post on the forum.
:confused: