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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on November 10, 2000, 07:56:00 AM
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I was in Florida, West Palm Beach last year, and I played the lottery ...well, after they picked the numbers, I checked my numbers to those drawn, and these were the same numbers I always choose. I picked 5 out of 6 correct!, however, because those lottery ballots are so confusing, with all the columns and numbers, I inadvertantly marked down the wrong number for the winning 6th number, so, shouldn't I be able to remark my lottery ballot since I made the dreadful mistake, and shouldn't I win the lottery?
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Jeez, Rip, I gotta ask. How many of those 4,200 posts were like this one: full of hot gas (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by leonid:
Jeez, Rip, I gotta ask. How many of those 4,200 posts were like this one: full of hot gas (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Well, not nearly the number of press conferences that the Dem's have held in Florida about ballot confusion! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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LOL! I'm one of the evil ones, but I have to admit, Rip, that's a good one (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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<in the voice of the Rite Rev Jackson>
You be right,Rip
So I be make the trip.
I will spread chaos,
because of Rip's loss.
Burma Shave (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Well? Do I not get any sympathy from any democrats on this board? Whats up?
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F4UDOA, Karnak, do you guys have 'selective reading disorder'? Whats your position on my dilema? SHouldn't I be given another chance?
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Perfect example of the stupidity the democrats are spewing Rip. Well done.
Wrench
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Rip,
I'm going to make an extra effort to make the next con, just to buy you the beverage of your choice.
I find most of your posts lighten my day!
Thx!
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Originally posted by Toad:
Rip,
I'm going to make an extra effort to make the next con, just to buy you the beverage of your choice.
I find most of your posts lighten my day!
Thx!
Back to ya Toad, although we all don't agree on everything one another posts, I do believe we're all humane enough to offer each other a beverage of choice! (Yes, liberals as well!)
The Con is now a permanent part of my yearly budget, the Commander in Chief gave me the green light for this yearly event.
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I was going to got to the Con but since I'm from Palm Beach I couldn't understand where Texas was.
I looked at a map 10 days before the trip but I couldn't understand it.
I demand we have a re-con.
P.S. No I'm not really from Palm Beach.
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Well, Rip, if you want to seriously discuss this issue, I'd be willing to waltz a few rounds with you. But, there's a little too much Liberal baiting going on in this thread to have a rational discussion. As you prove, though, it's pretty easy to be trite and condescending when you have hindsight on your side.
Maybe I'll just sit this dance out.
From the left-center,
banana
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Good, then you understand the point I'm trying to make. I take that as an agreement on idiocy of a re-vote.
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I looked at the ballots, seemed easy enough. The homeless people that were given free cigarettes and bussed in by Gore might have had a hard time with them though I guess. At least these kids didn't-
IN THE NEWS…“Kids Find Contested Ballot to be Child's Play,” The Shreveport Times, by Don Walker
“It's a ballot that perplexed Florida voters but was no match for the wits of first- and fourth-graders at Stockwell Elementary School in Bossier City.
“Disillusioned and upset by the lingering chaos of this week's presidential election, fourth-grade teacher Lisa Burns pulled a sample of the controversial Palm Beach County, Fla., ballot off the Internet on Thursday. She then put her class of 9- and 10-year-olds to the test. ‘I gave them a ballot and had them take a blue marker to vote for Al Gore and a red marker to vote for George Bush. Then I had them put their name on the bottom of the ballot and turn it in.’
“Turns out this election was mere child's play. Not one of the 22 students present in class Thursday was confused by the ballot. Each one was marked without error.
“Well, if a fourth-grader could do it, how about a first-grader? Down the hall in Stacey Robinson's class, the ballot was handed out to 6- and 7-year-olds. Robinson used an overhead projector to point out Gore's name, then asked the class of 24 students to find his bubble on the punch-card ballot.
“‘It wasn't a vote,’ Robinson said. ‘I just wanted to experiment to see if they could find the correct bubble.’
“When the ballots were turned in, 19 of the first-graders marked the correct bubble for Gore, three picked Buchanan's bubble, one picked Bush's and one marked the bottom bubble for the ‘Natural Law’ party.
“‘If a first-grader can choose the correct bubble, there's no legitimate claim. Anyone could have done it,’ Robinson said. ‘A grown adult who took any time at all could find it.’
“Still, even in a first-grade classroom, vote tabulations were the subject of protest and controversy. ‘I thought we were voting,’ Brady McCoy, 6, of Haughton grumbled after he was told to find and punch the ‘Gore’ bubble. ‘I wanted to vote for George Bush!’”
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No, Rip, you misunderstand. I was merely saying that I will not debate you unless you want to enter into a serious debate of the issues, without the smug attitude.
I thought someone as smart as you would've been able to figure that out in the first reading. It seemed easy enough to me to understand. Are you dumb or something?
Maybe now you see my point of view.
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Originally posted by banana:
Are you dumb or something?
Maybe now you see my point of view.
You've already lost any discussion/debate we would have by casting a stone. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hehe, good story Creamo.
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Rip, can't you see that my calling you dumb is not any different than you calling the voters in Florida dumb?
Both of us were wrong to do it. That's what my real point was. I was trying to prove a point my using the same tactic on you that you used on them. You know I still love you! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by banana (edited 11-10-2000).]
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Can you show me where I said Florida voters were dumb? I'm simply saying that if you rebuke one system of democracy, one had better be willing to do it across the board.
Interesting news here:
If Mr Gore fails to win he is tipped to ask for a
completely new poll in the county, which could
paralyse the U.S. political system.
Signs that the Gore camp, based in Nashville,
Tennessee, was planning ruthless new tactics
had grown throughout the day.
There were allegations of polling fraud and
intimidation as black people claimed they had
been denied votes. Jesse Jackson said of Mr
Bush's original "victory" in Florida during
Tuesday's polling: "This result fails the smell
test.
"There's no point of a recount here - we need
a first count." Mr Gore's campaign chief
William Daley also hinted at "certain other
irregularities". But his Republican counterpart
Don Evans slammed "sore loser" Gore and
said: "Our democratic process calls for a vote
on election day.
"It does not call for us to continue voting until
someone likes the outcome."
And Mr Gore, 52, was warned that his plan to
use the courts could backfire because of
results in two other key states - which HE won.
As postal votes were counted in WISCONSIN,
the Vice-President's lead had shrunk to only
5,050.
And in IOWA there was the prospect of an
automatic recount as the gap between Mr
Gore and his Republican rival approached the
legal minimum. Mr Bush, 53, was said to be
trying to shrug off the Florida worries and
planning to name his first Cabinet within days.
Mr Evans said: "We have had a close vote for
the President of the United States, especially
in Florida. Senator Gore didn't like the
outcome of election day and its is likely he
won't like the outcome of the recount."
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Can you show me where I said Florida voters were dumb?
and I quote:
however, because those lottery ballots are so confusing, with all the columns and numbers, I inadvertantly marked down the wrong number for the winning 6th number...
Granted, you didn't use the word "dumb", but you might as well have. The above sentence tells us exactly what you think of the intelligence of those "confused" voters who accidently voted for Buchanan.
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banana, that is a true story, want my mothers telephone number to confirm it?
Like I said, if you throw out one form or democracy, where does it end?
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Understand a couple of things. This ballot was DIFFERENT than the ballots used in every other country in the state of Florida. Some of you guys seem to be under the impression that if you walk across county lines into Palm Beach you suddenly get hit with the stupid stick.
Take a look at this picture. It provides the breakdown of votes for Buchanan county by county. Do you not see anything slightly off kilter here?
(http://www.intergate.ca/personal/cwharton/sbm/chart.gif)
This doesn't take into count the ballots that were outright trashed due to the confusion.
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Seems to me that all you have to do to be accused of "liberal baiting" or being "uncaring" or "unfair" or a host of other nasty things is to....
simply disagree with a Liberal.
There seems to be no greater sin. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Umm Riposnort didn't make that up its from a talk show host by the name of neal boortz.
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Nath: Huh?
Also, Illinois (Indiana? I get the two mixed up) apparently has the same ballot, same publisher, can someone confirm this?
Anyway, if you don't believe me, email me and you can call me mother, she'll think you're kinda wierd for asking her questions about it, but she can confirm the $752 dollars I won for 5 number, I ended up buying her a couch with it.
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Friend of mine that lives in atlanta heard that on the radio about 2 days ago.
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Umm... First we have "research" done by Mary Matlin and now we're quoting conserv...er... I mean 'libertarian' (whatever) Neal Boortz.
Real discerning.
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Actually, yes, Rip. You should get to do it over, and when you win, I should get half for supporting you from the other side of the fence (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Seriously, I am generally a Dem. Not always, but ideologically I am closer to the Democratic Party than the Republican party. That said, I will be very disappointed in the Dem's if they try to overturn the election in court over that ballot. I am hoping its just posturing that will be dropped when the official recount is finished and regardless of its outcome.
That ballot was a goof, not a conspiracy. And the goof was made by people from both parties from what I can tell. The absolute worst thing that could happen out of this would be to get the election result nullified based on that. A horrible precedent, and you can bet it would become a standard political tactic used by both parties in the future. This crap only escalates.
I'd rather see all of this energy spent on getting the electoral college done away with ::thumps Toad:: Do the recount, when its finished, accept the outcome and move on.
Gordo
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Thump all you like.
Gordo, if you get your way the only places the next candidates would visit would be the major population areas.
Strategically, they would of necessity pander even more to the special interests of this particular sub-group of the electorate.
That's what you want?
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Thump all you like. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Couldn't agree more Gordo, and many that know me also know I'd be knocking 'Pubs if they were doing what the 'Dems are doing..
In regards to the electoral college, I believe they should keep it as it allows the smaller population states (Rhode Island,Wyoming, etc) an opportunity to 'be counted' thus forcing the politicians to campaign all states, not just the ones where money, and power reside (California, NY, etc) Politicians must listen to everyone from every equal state in the union .
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Heh! Testy! Repost all that in the electoral college thread where it belongs if you want to discuss it, Toad, I was just giving you a hard time (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
EDIT: Wheeeee! I promise, it was just a joke, I wasn't trying to hijack your thread, Rip!
Gordo
[This message has been edited by Lance (edited 11-10-2000).]
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Seems to me that all you have to do to be accused of "liberal baiting" or being "uncaring" or "unfair" or a host of other nasty things is to....
simply disagree with a Liberal.
There seems to be no greater sin.
Ah baloney, Toad. You know darn well that if someone tries to share a difference of opinion with a Republican, that person is immediatley slapped with a label as a "liberal" and a "socialist".
I don't see a conservative person as uncaring, necessarily. They're just wrong! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Rip,
Sorry I don't have time to respond to every thread. There are many Republicans on this board but not as many Dem's to entertain you folks. Must be kinda lonely out there on the farm with nothing but Chickens and pigs for company. Tumble weeds blowing across the yard...<======JOKE (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Anyway there are only two ways of looking at the ballot situation in Palm Beach.
1. "The will of the people"
Was it the will of the people that had their votes discounted, to vote for Gore and Bush in the same percentage that was reflected in the registered votes? Obviously, if you are to listen to Bush himself he say's that he "believe's in people" and "trust People" right. So if he trust and believes in people then that must mean the 20,000 people who had their votes thrown out. If you want to follow the will of the people then you must.
Gore would obviously win, the Republicans oppose "trusting the people" and "The will of the people".
2. "Letter of the law"
If you follow the letter of the law then the ballot was approved by both parties and was used for the election and therefore must be valid regardless of the out come right? Wrong. Florida law clearly states that "The punch whole for the ballot must be on the right as to avoid confusion". Then you have an illegal ballot. Re-vote, Gore wins again.
I do not personally believe the ballot was confusing. But what I find very disturbing is that 20,000 people walked into their polling stations believing they were casting a valid ballot regardless of who for and later found out that their votes were entirely discounted. That is confusing. And the fact that the same thing happened in 1996 on a smaller scale only tells me that the problem goes beyond the ballot. Remember it was 14,000 mostly democratic votes that were lost then too. These are not dumb minorities or stupid old people as you choose to label them. They are first American citizens and second Palm Beach is a very affluent and educated area. So I find it very hard to belive that these people(almost 5% of the voters) are to blame for this.
What I do find interesting is that
A. Jeb Bush is the Governor in state and was on TV the morning after the Election telling everyone that voter fraud is a felony. Nobody ask him that question and the votes were not even counted at that time.
B. The exit poles that led to the networks giving Florida to Gore favored Gore heavily even though the voting did not. This is a very rare statistical anomaly. This also indicates who the "Will of the people"
C. George Bush senior is the Ex-head of the CIA. A group that specializes in what?
Fixing elections. Remember Watergate starting as a break in of the Democratic national headquarters with the help of some former FBI agents IE. G. Gordon Litty. Two years later Nixon is giving his "I am not a thief speech". Just remember you heard it hear first.
Later
F4UDOA
[This message has been edited by F4UDOA (edited 11-10-2000).]
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ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good one about the CIA there F4DOA. That is easily the stupidest thing I've heard anywhere so far. CNN should hire you.
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Yup, that is pretty inane. Show even one shred of evidence that our former president is any way guilty of wrongdoing.