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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: mars01 on August 29, 2006, 04:36:34 PM
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Let me start with saying I have not played consistently for a while, not because I am burned out, mostly because the weather is nice and I'd rather be flying. After getting up early and working all day to get out early so I can fly before the sun goes down and about 45 mins pulling Gs I'm beat.
Last tour I broke an all time record of only 47 mins played.
I still would love to play, but now when I get the little time I have to fly, the MA seems diseased with the potatod mentality worse than ever. Back before spring when I was flying more regularly, I didn't think the potatod Warrior problem could get any worse but alas unfortunately it has.
Last night was unprecedented and horrible, compounded by a crappy map where the bases are too far apart and the Bish taking bases with 50 plus people.
IMH, how lame do you have to be to fly with those kinds of numbers. Most rooks, the country I was on, didn't even put up a fight - I can say this because as soon as the tards showed en mass the greens disappeared, minus a few die hards like 50Cals et-al - and after getting tired of dodging 10 crappy pilots only to be picked by the another 5 crappy pilots I logged.
The sad things was seeing some of the Better Vets in the horde. Give me a break guys, leave the horde for the Newbs. Are you guys really that bad that you enjoy fighting each other for the kills more than you like fighting the enemy?
The icing on the cake was, when I looked to find a real fight elsewhere, there was little else going on.
My choices were:
1) Join the Un-opposed Rook Horde. No Thanks.
2) Continue to defend in 15 to 1 odds until the tards got the vulch set up.
3) Log off, wishing every map had a fighter town. Bingo.
So please HT finish CT so these tards will gravitate there or put a FT on all maps and make it mandatory for all new maps.
And for you Vets that live in the potatod get some balls and break away from the tit! The game will be a better place for everyone.
BTW - My whine has been Recored! FO LOL :D
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why don't you build up your own simulation and you call it "mars01 High"??:p
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Mars01 you must have been on at the wrong time. Usually it is the rooks who outnumber the Bish and have the horde mentality outnumbering the Bish. Dont believe check out Sunday nights. It is the same for the knights. Everyone has to deal with it. The horde mentality seems intent to setting up some sort of FT between two bases. It boils down to numbers. Who has the numbers win.
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i thought it was 'just a game'!
why all the frustration.
theres only one answer fcor burnt out vets, and you are burnt out......
DA with a friend.
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:rofl I suppose our squad night could look like a hoard.
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Mars, I can sympathize with ya... tonight I asked for the horde to leave me and my enemy 51 so I could have a nice 1v1. Sure enough, a 'friendly' comes in and I killshoot myself when he jumps in front (I fly for the knights btw).
Later when I said something on the subject a few people, on channel 2, actually said they do not want 1v1s and would expect help no matter what the situation was like, even if they outnumbered the bad guys.
The more I see of this, the more I think the future of AH gameplay is in real trouble...
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All three countries horde, only they dont run into each other very often. The way the game is played currently, each country forms its horde, attacks an undefended base, and tries to do it faster than the other two countries hordes, both of which are attacking undefended bases of their own. The country with the horde that can most efficiently take undefended bases wins the reset.
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Yea, its funny as hell seeing 10+ enemies attack an undefended base, while a sector away the other team is attacking their undefended base with 10+ guys.
WAY too many are into the land grab imho...
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What it is, is you have 5 guys working the base and town, 10 more in GVs, some of which are trying to get to the runway to camp, and then 40 guys acting like the 11 piglet on a 10 teeted sow to get a few vulches.
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Filth, I'm not sure whether that's funny or depressing, but it's an apt description.
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Squad nights a B**** aint it :D
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Because......
Even old school AH veterans, guys that create great plane skins in use today, have no problem flying in the hordes. But they aren't content having 10 on 1 odds, oh no........ they fly 10 on 1 in an la7.
HTC can only do so much, its up to the players to lead by example. If a newbie sees a guy that is competant enough to create a plane skin currently used by HTC, flyin an la7 while chasing a solo con w. 9 other countrymen in tow..... why should or would, he/she ever try to learn to fly a more challenging plane? under more challenging circumstances?????
Lead by example, or suffer the consequence.
How much fun will the game be when no one will fly anything but elgay or sissyfire and with 10 or more wingmen?
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Atoon, keep in mind, Waffle is from Texas. He is merely a victim of circumstance. You should pity him, not despise him.
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Originally posted by sullie363
:rofl I suppose our squad night could look like a hoard.
It would count!!! TRUST ME!! Then again, my Typhoon raids would count as a hoard. Guess having 30-50 Typhoons can get people pissed. lol
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"Horde"
I can't wait for school to start again. You should visit it, it's usefull... you leant to spell things right and *****.
Edit: have to agree with mars... when's that TOD comming out?
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Mars
If you can stand it, come fly with the 412th guys when it gets like that. Granted, we're in P-51s, but when you fly into the back-side of a 10-v-1 horde, you need to have some E advantage to stay alive and be able to Extend (run away) once the horde decides to grab 15K before coming away from the AAA umbrella at their field.
Trying to TnB a P-51 at <1000 against multiple Spit16 / La7 is not a good situation
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Well You guys can't complane about me being in an LA-7 I have exactly 0 kills in that **** and only 1 in a Spit-16. While my KI-61 has 17 followed by the YAK-9U with 12. :)
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leant = learn.
Saw (darn time restriction editing!!!)
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why don't you build up your own simulation and you call it "mars01 High"??
LOL If you knew anything about me, you would know I would call it Aces on the Deck, radish Cats High LOLH
Warchief - In no way did I say nor imply the Bish are the only ones that do this. You should have picked up on this by the following quote and some simple deductive reasoning:
My choices were:
1) Join the Un-opposed Rook Horde. No Thanks.
Originally posted by: Batguano
i thought it was 'just a game'!
why all the frustration.
theres only one answer fcor burnt out vets, and you are burnt out......
DA with a friend.
Now the above quote from Batguano is a great example of people only reading what they want and not what was written. I went into the diatribe at the beggining of the post to allay those with week minds the thought that I was Burnt Out, I guess I did not make it simple enough. LOLH
Saint - I intentionally spelled it as potatod, implying all those in the Horde are potatos. Please follow along more closely :D
You guys calling your Squad nights potatods arent really that impressive and have little to be proud of. If that was what I had to look foreword to on squad night, I'd quit!
Midnight, thanks for the offer, I'm not a great safe flyer (No Offense), because I lack the patience to fly that way for long periods of time, although I have done it many times due to some maps. Next time I get in that mood, I'll saddle up the Hog and take you up on the offer. :aok
Atoon - Del I couldn't agree more! It is funny that most of these guys are in La7s and Spit 16 hahaha. Blazing skills.
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Originally posted by mars01
HT Please Hurry with TOD or CT Whatever It's called
Just for that, we're going extra slow now. :t
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sigh...
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:o
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Just for that, we're going extra slow now.
Hahahaha Biting tounge :D
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:rofl :rofl :rofl
:t
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Originally posted by mars01
Now the above quote from Batguano is a great example of people only reading what they want and not what was written. I went into the diatribe at the beggining of the post to allay those with week minds the thought that I was Burnt Out, I guess I did not make it simple enough. LOLH
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you tard mars, my post was more than genial and polite.
and you are burnt out.
people who are not burnt out still find the horde a place to rack up the kills.
you R teh burn out, go fly your pitts and quit beetching.
PS: love the way you put batgauno in bld incase it was clear enough anyhow.
tsk tsk, i detect a little animosity, and not a small amount of BURNT OUT VET WHO CANT ADMIT IT.
youre burnt out and you know it, just follow my advice and find a friend to go DA with.
or not...
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Originally posted by SUPERFLY
Just for that, we're going extra slow now. :t
OMFG!!! I'M'A KILL MARS NOW!!! :furious
:D :lol :rofl :cry :huh
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What make you believe that Tod will be better ?
Differend ? maybe, but better ? i dont think so.....
With only one life to spent ? Forget dogfights.
Cherrypicking vulching alt monkeys will be the king of the hill.
Hit once and run for home as fast as you can. Is that what you want ?
Ill put it straight. Today and more Tods rank system is *complete* Wrong.
You want giant furballs, dogfights until only one remains alive ?
Put out the landing from rank system.
Count only number of kills in every flight. Show them in the text buffer.
Give points for the kills without landing them.
You will see MA turning in a giant furball. If you continue to want landing
count in something, then give the double points if you land the kills or just X 0,5 .
Make kills without landing counts, show the heroes in text buffer, and see
AH explode in a huge Dogfight without anyone care for his prettythang and become a runing chicken.
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No Bat,
No animosity, and my post was equaly polite - Tounge in Cheek - but equally polite. I am not suprised that you would address and insist something else when I made it quite clear that was not case.
On top of it you are still telling me, how and what I am feeling and you are still wrong. :aok Thus you were awarded the name :aok
The rest of the posters were able to understand this, why not you???
Maybe I need to spell it out for you completely. I am not burnt out. If I were burnt out, I would have racked up tons of hours up to this point, which I have not. It's tough to be burnt out on something I am not doing that often.
I want to play the game. I want to get into Air to Air battles, not lopsided Air to Air gang bangs. If I were burnt out I wouldn't give a crap about you, the game or any aspect of it.
No the potatod is only a place for people to hide. For people that would rather fight their own country men for kills rather than the enemy. Flying in a potatod does not pit bandit against bandit, it pits country men against country men. I would rather fight the enemy for kills.
That is in no way the kind of game I want to play, nor ever wanted to play.
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Hades try this line again...
I even put it in bold just incase you miss it again :D
From my original post:
So please HT finish CT so these tards will gravitate there or put a FT on all maps and make it mandatory for all new maps.
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I found myself going to the 8 player online last night. This map is pos and i feel like its been around for a week.
Good note i landed 32 kills fighting 7 kids great fun
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What's he mean by "going extra slow now"?
:p
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Originally posted by mars01
No Bat,
blah
you are burnt out with MA gameplay that is only in the control of the customers who play.
if you cant even find fun dueling a partner of flying in AvA, then you are burnt out of AH completely.
in this thread, your basic notion is that when you do log in for the short ammount of time you can get, it sucks. what you need to do is log in for that lucky window of time and find something that you can enjoy......if you fail to do so it is not the fault of the producer, or the players, that you can't find enjoyment, and moreover, the legendary fiction that is tod will not make you enjoy the game anymore than a few placebic hours.....thus...you are burnt out.
remember, here is the key, this is my opinion.
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Bat, you're confusing bored with burnt out. Not everyone plays the game to become a well rounded cartoon pilot/toolshedder/camper/general. If he, or anyone, logs in and is frustrated by a lack of whatever aspect of the game he enjoys, that's not being burnt out.
And if you'll read slowly, you'll see that he's hoping CT will lure the capture-the-flag crowd out of the MA- not become his new toy.
Anyway, having actually spoken to Mars on a somewhat regular basis, and sharing his perspective on several aspects of gameplay, I wouldn't say he's burnt out.
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Originally posted by mars01
... where the bases are too far apart ...
Bingo! This is a problem with most of the maps we have.
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Mental Note: Kick Hubs arse.
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Originally posted by Fattycakes BAS
Menstral Note: Kick Hubs arse.
Edited for accuracy. ;)
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Hubks
Supreme Executive Commanding Admiral for Seaborne Special Operations for teh Blue Knights
When did this happen? Jeez I leave on vacation for a bit and hub joins the navy? Last time I checked he was a bomber pilot?
Wait a minute....did you ditch your B26 and forget how to get out of it so you are floating around in 3 feet of water sitting in the top turret claiming its a boat?
I can't imagine that Lev would let you have a PT boat. Think of the carnage! :)
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(http://www.unc.edu/~brownja/images/joedirt.jpg)
You guys got somethin' to say to me? Why don't you say it in the microphone. I got a backup mike right here. Check one two, testing, testing. Yup, they both working and guess what? they don't like no feed back, what's up?
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Hubks
Supreme Executive Commanding Admiral for Seaborne Special Operations for teh Blue Knights
When did this happen? Jeez I leave on vacation for a bit and hub joins the navy? Last time I checked he was a bomber pilot?
Wait a minute....did you ditch your B26 and forget how to get out of it so you are floating around in 3 feet of water sitting in the top turret claiming its a boat?
I can't imagine that Lev would let you have a PT boat. Think of the carnage! :)
I think it lends a certain credibility and authority to my posts that I was lacking before being promoted. As a commissioned officer, I'm obviously smarter than regular people. ;)
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I think it lends a certain credibility and authority to my posts that I was lacking before being promoted. As a commissioned officer, I'm obviously smarter than regular people. ;)
I'll take an old sargent over a commisioned officer, no matter how smart he thought he was. :D
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As a car salesman I once sold a brand new Land Rover Defender 110 to a business man. He wanted a sturdy 4x4 for his work and private life. You know what? That barstool came back 5 or 6 times moaning about it. First the engine was to noisey & wanted more padding under the bonnet . Then the side pannels were to noisey and the all terrain tyres were to noisey. More padding and different tyres fitted. Then air vents were to primative . Couldn't do anything about that. He came back with other moans. The service manager asked me what kind of stitch up job I'd done to the guy to make him by the motor in the first. I said I'd sort the guy personally next time he came back and this is what i said.
Sir, with respect the vehicle is as it should be. I'm sorry Sir but you have obviuosly purchased the wrong vehicle for your needs.
Never seen the guy since.
From the above little ditty draw any conclusion you like :D
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well said LYNX
:aok
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With all due respect, this game used to be about actually fighting other people. This was years ago, probably before either of you had even heard about this game. The game itself hasn't changed much, but the folks who are more interested in chatroom with planes have most definitely altered the way the game is played.
To say those of us who've been around a while should like it because the lowbrow mob of relative newcomers says we should is foolish. While you may not like or agree with what we have to say, we are entitled to our opinions as well.
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I started to play this game little over 2 years ago. After AW i stayed out of flight sims. For the most part in those two years the game play is about the same. At first i did alot of GV's bomb runs and big squad runs. This was a good way for me to have fun and not die over and over. I think you can see this today with the big packs that roam the map...
Today i feel if your looking for a fight you can find it really fast. I dont GV our bomb much anymore. I look for fights when i log every night. Base defence is the fasted way to get into a fight. I have become very good at low alt multi con dog fights. I dont up from really capped fields getting vulched is not much fun for me. If the map looks clear i look for a fight. Red dar bars are really good in my book. 10k over a base in my spit 16 looking at 5-10 cons on the deck makes me smile.
I am willing to bet that i could log on and in 10 mins have multi kills. I think if you look for a dog fight you can find it. Not much has really changed in Ah from the day i started but my tactics have changed. AH is the only game i play and have fun playing ever night. If TOD was never to come it really wouldnt be a big deal to me.
btw last night map sucked
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I havent been here long at all(a year in nov), but i understand what hes saying. I have got one on ones and 3v3s but u have to look for them. Had one the other day. BUt for the one on ones u have to hunt someone down, either somebody tryin to join the horde or leave the horde or somebody just cruzin around. BUt one of the things that bothers me is that ill be floating around 10k and lookin down at 2 greens fightin one con, and hover over for like 5 minutes and watch them go in circles, i end up dropin down and taking himself. Again i havent been here long but i spent ALOT of time playing in h2h and the last couple of months in the m/a and have learned ALOT quicker then these noobs to the point where the first move tells me if my con noes what hes doin or not. The thing is noobs out number vets(im not callin myself a vet but im no noob). Maybe htc should make training a must for new guys, try to teach them so they can learn somethin other then hoing in a la7 or doin circles in a spit16, when i first started i was a dweeb but with time and a good poundin from vets kicked my out of it and with a solid foundation i can improve. And i willl continue to do just that.
Just my 2 cents, nothin more nothin less.
BTW wheres that ToD some offical word from the guys at htc would be great about now.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Edited for accuracy. ;)
:rofl
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Too bad that the guys with the talent to make maps are all of the whorde mentality... the try to figure out the best way that 500 people can all hide from each other..
If there was a map that had most if not all fields at 3/4 of a sector apart it I bet that if it didn't eliminate the hordes completely.... It would make em irrelevant. There would allways be a good fight somewhere.
The only "fights" now happen between bombs and toolsheds or fast planes and planes either just taking off or just landing or... some poor guy caught out in the open in a plane that can't outrun the other 10 planes of the enemy that have seen him.
It is because we have a combo of things happening... the fields are too far apart and... the newer players are the most timid that any flight sim has ever seen and.... we have choice.... the choice to choose the fastest planes with the biggerst guns or nothing.
Closer fields would fix most of these problems... the timid would get better... the really late war fast planes would no longer be the only option and there would be some action in the game.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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For you guys that have been here less than 3 years... And I am sure there are guys that can give a better longer history lesson, but here it goes...
I came in at the end of the golden furball era in AH, circa 2/02 and compared to some I am a relative newb.
The MA was big if it had 400 people on at any given night and most times it was around 250.
The strat game was almost non existant, you could take fields, but there was little else.
The furballs were the norm, any night you logged in there were 50+ guys going at it, in what looked like a thunder cloud of bees. The emphasis was on fighting and the game was great!
There were few people just upping to vulch, hangers were almost never dropped and fuel porkage was nary a problem.
Then the larger maps came along, then the strat was modified and increased. For a while the furballs would rage alongside the strat game.
At some point the dynamic of AH changed, this was when fuel porking became a problem. The big furballs were starting to get starved out because the strat noobs were pounding the fuel. So the fur stopped flying like it used to and the community started to split.
Then AHII came along, the strat newbs stumbled at the unporkable fuel and the bigger cities etc and the fights were better. That is when dropping the hangers became their answer. Any way they could stop the fighting.
Unchecked the MA has turned into what it is today...
As some have said, "Oh I can find a few good fights any night" Blah.
You're used to only finding a few good fights once and a while, so I don't expect you relatively new guys to understand. But there was a time when the fighting was all this game was about and for many of you that doesn't make sense, does it???
That is why my only hope in this game is the completion of CT. Thus allowing HT to take a look at the MA and help bring back some of the glory days.
OR
CT takes off, most of you strategerists all go over there and the MA is left to the guys that just want to fight.
I have a dream... When all strategerists are doing something else other than Phuckin up the MA.
I have a dream, when furballing is an any night affair again.
I have a dream that every score potato, realism nut job is somewhere else other than the MA LOLH :rofl :rofl :D
I can dream anyway.
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LOL Dan you never cease to crack me up. Hubs new PT is called the Winged Dinghy.
Exactly Laz!
Much of this is simple fix. When Fester MA first came out, all the fields were close together and the fights raged. Then in an effort to make everyone happy Fester moved the outer ring of fields farther apart and thats what we have today.
What cracks me up the most is, the times on that map where all the fighting is on the outskirts, I should say all the flying. Just one horde hiding from the other. The die hard defenders upping into the horde cause that is all that is going on. Sad really. And as an after affect, your absolutely right the newbs are some of the worst and most timid.
A lot of guys talk about training to make the noobs better, I say it is less training and more Vets need to set an example, leave the tit and walk away from the potatods.
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I object to all of this bull about the newbies. Sure some are bad, but im a newbie. Ive been flying for about 5 months and I still have a heck of a lot to learn. Ive flown with a horde maybe once or twice but that was on one day. I prefer to be with 5 or 6 guys (or girls) attempting to take one base. Does this make a horde, simply because the Bishops, who we were attacking, we dumb enough not to up a few defenders to attempt to save the base? I have an idea to stop the idea of hordes and also to get a furball on the go. How about, when you see an enemy horde approaching, you get a horde together and meet them in the air! This will get a furball started on a massive scale. Imagine, 50v50 fights! HUGE! This also allows those not interested in furballs to get a friend and fight away at a differant base 1v1. Simple solution.
£0.02p In :)
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I object to all of this bull about the newbies. Sure some are bad, but im a newbie.
We'll if you really aren't flying in the potatod then we aren't talking about you are we? So you really have nothing to object to.:aok
£0.02p accepted you account has been credited. :)
I definitely think this problem is a community mentality tho, so I commend you on your willingness not to fly with the safety bunch in the potatod. You will get better faster without the crutch of 30 friendlies around you.
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Played for 2 years and counting.
Heard same argument 2 years and counting.
Have seen no change. 2 years and counting.
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Without a doubt, the arena has changed... I've been around a while (tho I have changed names) and the game has slowly changed from dogfight oriented to landgrab oriented.
Tell me, how long have you been in the BoP? Two years as well? :)
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HTC is making more money than ever, probably more than they had thought possible, 6 years ago when peak numbers were 250 logged in.
While the long term guys may be frustrated, no one expected us to stick around this long anyway. From a business perspective, HTC has no reason to change- for every 10 of us that leave, 20 or 30 kids see the commercial and the money still comes in. They may not know much about flying, but they love CTF, and here's a format for that type of game that they haven't seen before. I doubt you'll ever convince HTC to change anything with the money coming in like it is.
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Originally posted by thndregg
Played for 2 years and counting.
Heard same argument 2 years and counting.
Have seen no change. 2 years and counting.
I would suspect that within the framework of how you approach the game, you've seen no change. But I'd also suspect that your focus is much more on land grab etc.
If that's the case and you've been living in that part of the game, you wouldn't see the change as those who have flown the game purely for the ACM.
In that regard it has changed. It was one thing to see the pork 51s high over ya going light speed and skipping the air combat to pork the field. But now its everyone flying over the fight, or skipping it completely to head for the field and set up the vulch pattern.
It always amazes me when I'm tooling around down low in a 38G to have N1Ks and Spits above me, with all the advantages, and they won't come down. That has become much more the norm. You don't attack until you have plenty of help to get that one guy below you, or you are purely there to wait for the vulch pattern to get set up so you can get your attaboys for landing multiple vulches.
I think the other thing that is more prevelant as well is that if a fight develops where guys aren't 'winning' they'll go find another place to fight where they can 'win', as in there are better sticks here and I might die trying to fight em so I'll move to avoid the challenge and go where I can get my attaboys easier.
I don't expect that to change as there is no visible 'reward' for challenging yourself in the game and clearly folks need something to allow them to see their name in lights.
All that being said, It's still up to you how you play and I don't expect anyone to play the game just the way I like it. I can still find fun in driving around in my 38G and taking on the crowd and as long as I'm having fun, I'm not going to worry about how you fly.
But I respectfully disagree that the game hasn't changed in the last two years.
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Originally posted by macleod01
I have an idea to stop the idea of hordes and also to get a furball on the go. How about, when you see an enemy horde approaching, you get a horde together and meet them in the air! This will get a furball started on a massive scale.
£0.02p In :)
what a concept ! and given that the 50 players in the incoming horde are "crappy" should only take 10 good furballers to stir it up.
well said macleod:aok
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what a concept ! and given that the 50 players in the incoming horde are "crappy" should only take 10 good furballers to stir it up.
Well you guys do a two week study. See how many horde defenders you can put together to battle the potatods and let me know how it works out.
Talk is cheap, been there done that is real. :aok
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what a concept ! and given that the 50 players in the incoming horde are "crappy" should only take 10 good furballers to stir it up.
problem with that is, you eventually run out of ammo and need to reup with new ammo. by that time, the lemmings who have endless trail incoming are over base and get the vulch going.
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While CT might be interesting to play with, from what I've read it will be mission based play to work on your character in a role playing type environment and I like those types of games, I play Guild Wars but these types of games are usually about going mission to mission trying to keep your character alive and advance yourself... No taking of land or winning the war so I doubt it will have much effect on the MA other than to flucuate the #of people in each arena. I could be wrong but this is my guess.
I've been playing around 3 years and I mainly play to take your bases and reset the map, if a good fight comes from trying to take a base thats all well and good. If we simply roll over the base thats fine also I really don't care either way. This is after all a world WAR 2 sim and the war wasn't just about fighter jocks duking it out, that is why we have bombers and strat and "hordes" taking bases with more #'s than you seem to be able to put up, thats war and we do what we must to win.
I like both styles of play you seem to like just the furball way for the most part and others like just the mass attack way. Trying to get the MA changed so that everyone furballs won't ever work, as long as people like to attack in mass they will find a way to do it and as far as I can tell the "MOB" seems to out # the BALLERS because if it were the other way or =, the mob would be dead because of your O so UBER furballer skills.
As far as you puting down how we operate on squad night......Waaaaa :cry We do what we do and have fun doing it. We have squad night so we can concentrate our #'s and go after what ever our goal is at the time, like in a war, so we don't sit there d***ing around with a base for ever. Or we do from time to time do fighter sweeps but you would concider that hording also but we have fun in the game so it seems we are a step ahead of you :).
For some of us like 99mech for example furballing is enough, he likes it and we have no problem with that. For others of us Furballing all the time gets boring so we group up and take a base.
It constantly sounds like you would like the MA to be turned into your own personal DA and everyone would just up in small #'s to fight you and those like you fairly but thats not how life works.
Well I'll stop typing now and post this so you can berate me and my post for going aginst your idea of how things should work and my squad for playing the way we play.
TTFN;)
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Originally posted by mars01
See how many horde defenders you can put together to battle the potatods
does this mean you have tried to recruit a number of fellow furballers
and could not muster support?
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Originally posted by soupcan
does this mean you have tried to recruit a number of fellow furballers
and could not muster support?
No, what he means is, eventually you have to land and rearm and the horde has generally clobbered the place so you can't re-up unless the vulch pattern is on and then it's so the horde can get quick 'kills' so they can land their 'attaboys' to all that aclaim.
And with the fields further apart, by the time you can get the defenders up from the nearest field and get back to defend, the horde is milling about above you and the field is taken or close to it.
Sadly regardless of someones ACM skills, there is little they can do against a mob with alt and E. Just off the ground with the wheels barely up and trying to gain flying speed is hardly a position to fight in. Even if you can avoid the first passes, the horde is lined up waiting for you to get engaged with another plane so they can dive in and pick you.
You want to play it that way, fine. But give me satellite fields where fighters can up from, close enough to make a difference. Give me VHs at the satellite fields so I can roll the flaks to defend. Up the number of manned ack guns at the base and increase their toughness. Do this to allow the defenders time to react to all those horde taking the undefended base ops.
Make taking a base difficult so folks have to work at it. Make it a challenge. There were reasons the general policy in strafing fields was one pass and keep going in WW2. Lots and lots of guys went down making that second pass.
In AH, the manned ack and VH goes first so there is no ack. The flak guns aren't camoflaged to make spotting them harder. They are right where everyone knows they are.
All the mission jockeys talk about coordinated planning. OK this ups the challenge. You are covering 3 fields, with intense flak and the potential for fighters upping from any of them to cover the main base. Not quite as easy for 6 guys in 110s and a goon to get the job done. It would take bomber coordination, fighter sweeps and escorts as well as jabos. You are all about win the war, well then you'd surely enjoy the challenge of having to actually work at it :)
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What Dan said.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
You are all about win the war, well then you'd surely enjoy the challenge of having to actually work at it :)
it may surprize you to learn that "win the war" is not very high on
my list. while i do enjoy a good base capture, i will earn more "perks"
from a couple of flights in my hurr2c or fw190a8 than i will from a reset.
somedays i like upping to "hunt" buff formations, other times i go looking for some fighter to fighter action. just depends on my mood at the time.
while it does seem immpossible to fight the horde, there have been
times when several messages have gone out on country channel
saying:
" a45 a goner"
"hopeless at a45" ect.
a few of us not worried about being vultched managed to get up
at this field and slowly take the enemy numbers down to the point
they had lost effective cap...couple more friendlys showed up and
soon the field was secure.
i'm not saying that you can break cap in every situation, but if you
can get enough friendlys together it can change it from immpossible
to possible.
BTW guppy35 i have read many of your posts...some of them i have agreed with. one thing i have always found about your posts is that you state
your position without insulting others. i respect this about you.:)
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Originally posted by mars01
When Fester MA first came out, all the fields were close together and the fights raged.
Last time I had fun ingame.
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I'm not a huge fan of the big maps and long flights inbetween battles where you're lucky to get 2 kills.
Mars, now that you've ticked off Superfly and slowed the production of TD you're not going to want to be seen in the MA. The hordes will be after you! lol
Sounds like you need a good DA for an exended time. Then you'll be revived and ready for the hordes.:cool:
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Once again on the money Dan. :aok
OK Flayed,
Well I'll stop typing now and post this so you can berate me and my post for going aginst your idea of how things should work and my squad for playing the way we play.
Awww your such a victim. LOL Please. But since you asked for it.
I don't berate anyone that is actively participating in a neutral manner. I save that for the guys that reply with their zingers and then cry when I zing back. Much like your baloney above.
Your whole post is wrong because you base everything on the incorrect premise that I want the MA to be nothing but one big furball. In all my posts I have said time and time again that you land grab heros should have your game and a place to play it in the MA.
The root of the problem is, in HTs rush to increase membership he has dummied down the game and Furballing is a thing of the past.
Now lets put the shoe on your foot, imagine how you would feel if tomorrow you logged in and your Land Grab game was gone. No more captures, no more resets. That is exactly what the furballer is faced with. Furballs are a thing of the past.
The next place you go wrong is thinking I want the MA changed in such a way that it takes others players, playing style away. Again you are wrong. I'll post my last part here again to see if it sinks this time.
Originally Posted By: Mars01
So please HT finish CT so these tards will gravitate there or put a FT on all maps and make it mandatory for all new maps.
Now how would having a FT on every map stop your fun??
Give the furballer a place to play, so we are not forced into your mindless base capture horde fest and you will never hear from me again on this topic.
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Sounds like you need a good DA for an exended time. Then you'll be revived and ready for the hordes.
LOL Motor - When you have a good solution to beat a 15 Vs 1, that doesn't entail running or starting at 30k feet, let me know. :aok
BTW what is your in game ID??
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Originally posted by MotorOil1
I'm not a huge fan of the big maps and long flights inbetween battles where you're lucky to get 2 kills.
Mars, now that you've ticked off Superfly and slowed the production of TD you're not going to want to be seen in the MA. The hordes will be after you! lol
Sounds like you need a good DA for an exended time. Then you'll be revived and ready for the hordes.:cool:
Mars spends his time in the DA.. Also he is a good stick BTW
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Originally posted by mars01
LOL Motor - When you have a good solution to beat a 15 Vs 1, that doesn't entail running or starting at 30k feet, let me know. :aok
BTW what is your in game ID??
MoterOil
BTW - 10k works. ---> I know what you mean, there's no good way in the ma to just up and be in a good fight. Small maps are the cloesest thing.
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flayed... I don't think we are talking about yours or any squad... We never heard of you guys...
Yep... the furballers don't look at any squad as the problem cause we really don't pay attention to who is in the horde... I never heard of you guys..
If I up to fight the horde I kill three of four of the talentless dweebs and they seem to be from all sorts of squads... I never know... it just says that I have killed some talentless vulture... don't say what squad he was in... I don't care anyway.
Furballers never organize... that would be the opposite of what they are about... But...
I am allways curious... if the whorde guys are not timid and talentless as we say.... How come they never "organize" to attack another horde?
All I see is them running when they lose the advantage to go find another place that they can vultch without having to take any risk with actual air to air combat.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by soupcan
it may surprize you to learn that "win the war" is not very high on
my list. while i do enjoy a good base capture, i will earn more "perks"
from a couple of flights in my hurr2c or fw190a8 than i will from a reset.
somedays i like upping to "hunt" buff formations, other times i go looking for some fighter to fighter action. just depends on my mood at the time.
while it does seem immpossible to fight the horde, there have been
times when several messages have gone out on country channel
saying:
" a45 a goner"
"hopeless at a45" ect.
a few of us not worried about being vultched managed to get up
at this field and slowly take the enemy numbers down to the point
they had lost effective cap...couple more friendlys showed up and
soon the field was secure.
i'm not saying that you can break cap in every situation, but if you
can get enough friendlys together it can change it from immpossible
to possible.
BTW guppy35 i have read many of your posts...some of them i have agreed with. one thing i have always found about your posts is that you state
your position without insulting others. i respect this about you.:)
Most definately don't mean to offend so I'm glad it comes across respectfully. It is just a game in the end after all. Not worth getting worked up about :)
Incidently, the 'you' in the post wasn't aimed specifically at you. It was more aimed at the crowd that likes the base capture/horde warrior aspect of the game.
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Originally posted by macleod01
I have an idea to stop the idea of hordes and also to get a furball on the go. How about, when you see an enemy horde approaching, you get a horde together and meet them in the air! This will get a furball started on a massive scale. Imagine, 50v50 fights! HUGE! This also allows those not interested in furballs to get a friend and fight away at a differant base 1v1. Simple solution.
£0.02p In :)
That was called the AntiHorde Horde. Old News.
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Well mars we've had this debate befor and we never agree so we can agree to disagree. :)
LAZS umm are you trying to be sarcastic or funny or something????
Birds Of Prey..... Mars posted about the night of the 28'th I belive, the day of our squad night while we were rolling bases all night and having good fun doing it. :D I belive we are the horde in question on the 28'th. Sullie and I posted to that effect and mars replied with "You guys calling your Squad nights potatods arent really that impressive and have little to be proud of. If that was what I had to look foreword to on squad night, I'd quit!"
And we were all quite proud of what we did that night. :)
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Flayed, how many bases did you take that night? If it was quite a few, id be proud as well! I enjoy taking bases but having a good fight is also fun. If you meet some people in the air its brilliant. (Even though I always end up getting a close shot of a tree as i do a low Loop)
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proud of taking bases? are you kidding? Guess it takes all kinds.
birds of prey? seen a message every couple hours or so with some birds of prey getting a couple of kills... figured you guys only had a couple guys in your squad.
Taking bases? No wonder you guys never get any better.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Flayed, I am glad you guys enjoyed the night, I just wonder how much more you guys would have enjoyed it if you actually had to fight for what you were doing.
You cant tell me what you were doing wasn't like shooting fish in a Dixi cup with a 12 gauge.
I can say this, because some of the best squad nights I had as a MAW were when we came up against the AKs back in AHI. The fighting was fierce, tactics were pushed to the limits and the action was non stop.
When it started to get like your squad nights, going after the easy captures, rolling in unopposed, fighting each other for the scraps that were upping, I lost interest really fast and squad nights lost their appeal.
How many other squads were there with you the other night?? It definitely seemed larger than one squad. A lot of Ltars there too.
Have you ever entertained taking your squad nights and going against the enemy whordes instead of going after barely defended bases?? I think game play would change drasticly if squads like yours in all countries took the lead and made fighting each other for bases was the goal, rather than the prospects of easy captures. The quality of the pilots would increase across the board, people would be more inclined to fight than run and things might get better.
Honestly if your intention is to just roll undefended bases for squad night, then yeah your actions make your squad and the others like it, public enemy #1 in regards to why game play sucks as much as it does. :)
Maybe that is what the current player base has come to, nobody wanting to fight, everyone wanting the easy kill, just so they can see their name in the text buffer and pretend they are good...
I hope your squad and others like your squad start to see what a large negative impact, of taking large groups and going after poorly defended bases, is having on the game and game play itself and at least become sensative to it.
You guys might be having fun rolling unopposed across bases that are too far apart, but your killing the game for a big part of the community too.
I hope this makes sense and you see the bigger picture as part of the community.:aok
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What drew me to AH was the variety of aircraft/vehicles, situations, and loads of choices on how I wanted to partake in the virtual "conflict" between three virtual countries. I can do what I want, how I want, when I want. If this were to change to only one style of gameplay, as some would prefer, and the rest would be thrown out (no tanks, bombers, ships etc..) I would no longer subscribe.
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What drew me to AH was the variety of aircraft/vehicles, situations, and loads of choices on how I wanted to partake in the virtual "conflict" between three virtual countries. I can do what I want, how I want, when I want. If this were to change to only one style of gameplay, as some would prefer, and the rest would be thrown out (no tanks, bombers, ships etc..) I would no longer subscribe.
Who is asking to throw anything out??
You mentioned - virtual "conflict" - If the hordes are hitting undefended bases where is the conflict, unless your idea of conflict is AA. LOL
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Originally posted by lazs
proud of taking bases? are you kidding? Guess it takes all kinds.
Taking bases? No wonder you guys never get any better.
there is a little thing called imagination.
when you fly do you not even slightly enjoy the pretence that you are in an aeroplane flying in a 'war'? or do you just log in, see how much watermelon you can blow up, then leave when you lose interest in this single minded pursuit?
how about teaching the noobs not berating them? you aint exactly top gun yerself, as you might realise if you stopped into the dueling arena and actualy pitted yourself in even circumstances against another experienced AH'er.
There is nothing in this game that beats a big furball, i would'nt be the first to say that but i know i came to that conclusion myself.
On the other hand, setting up a mission and capturing a base can be satisfying. you're (collective) assuptions, every base capture that happens in the main is by hordes against no opposition, are simply incorrect.
fighting huge dar bars and deep behind the enemy frontlines, between 10,000 and 25,000 feet, that is where my true imagination kicks in, and i find an entire new angle to enjoy the game and my squadmates company.
It must be tragic when one becomes so two dimensional as a character as to forget how to make one's own fun in any circumstance......the staple trait of almost every growing child.
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Mars,
You have emphasized to no end that you advocate one exclusive style of gameplay involving a furball/fight either for the pure fun of it, and/or to capture a highly contested base. I have no issue with that at all as I have enjoyed an occasional rip-roaring fight, no matter what my goal is in the end. But, I have also enjoyed a change of pace. That is the root of my interest in this game.
My problem is (and has been in past threads on the subject) that some wish this to be the ONLY acceptable form of play, and everything else should be deemed substandard and disposed of. Those people who wish to use similar tactics (playing it safe, if you prefer) demonstrated in WW2 are despised because they make that choice (as it is allowed in the game) and it irritates some of you that they are unwilling to change to how others want this game to be played.
How unfortunate for some that HiTech has allowed people of all sorts to play in his sandbox.
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Thunder,
While we may not advocate or think much of some of the other playing styles, no one, Laz including, wants to force anyone to play a specific way. This is somethign I have stated over and over.
What we do want is he ability to be able to play the way we like. Unfortunately we not longer have the option 9 out of 10 times we log in to play our game.
On rememdy for this is a FT on the MA maps or move the fields closer together.
If every map in rotation had a FT, no one would care much about the potatods and these topics would disappear.
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yep... if all you guys want is to have choice and variety then you would not object to a fightertown or two on every map correct?
Fact is... you like the way things are because you realize that given any real choice....
no one will play with you... it will be just like when you were a kid and mom had to hang the porkchop around your neck to get the dogs to play with you.
bat.... I have never claimed to be anything but meidiocre.... even so... I figure I have at least a 50/50 chance of coming out ahead against whoever I meet in the arena in a furball. Apparently the really good ones you seem to think exist don't get down and dirty to fight the likes of me... Although I would say that I have fought some guys that us furballers know to be pretty good... They never seem to think I need to go to the DA with em.
I am glad you finaly realized that we were right all along tho that the only fun that endures.....is the furball.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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fighter town and furballin is cool but maps with hot spots like that drag maps on for days. Baging a la7 trying to run is great but actually accomplishing something( whether it be knocking out a certain target, providing air support to gvs, escorting bomnbers, etc) feels like u actually did something other then scream profanities at a one winged on fire spit thats goin down(i have to get rid of that stress some how:lol )
just my 2 cents.
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Originally posted by bkbandit
fighter town and furballin is cool but maps with hot spots like that drag maps on for days. Baging a la7 trying to run is great but actually accomplishing something( whether it be knocking out a certain target, providing air support to gvs, escorting bomnbers, etc) feels like u actually did something other then scream profanities at a one winged on fire spit thats goin down(i have to get rid of that stress some how:lol )
just my 2 cents.
What do you accomplish by reseting the map other then starting over? No one has asked that base taking be abolished.
What people are seeing, in particular those who fly Aces High for the Aces High part, as opposed to the Mud movers low, is that "Air Combat" is disappearing behind mobs of planes overwhelming undefended sectors in the name of 'race to the reset'.
What is the great objection to a FT on each map? It doesn't deny the land grab crowd anything. Yet the response to that request seems to often be 'go to the DA", 'get your own arena" or something similar. The MA is the furballers arena just as much as it is the land grabbers.
For those of us who can't fly a million hours a week, it can be very discouraging to finally get an hour or two in AH and you spend half of it trying to find a fight.
If you want to integrate the community into the 'war' then you are going to have to find a way to get folks to actually fight instead of playing horde warrior.
Instead the community seems to be fracturing along the lines of those who want nothing to do with a fight but see base taking as the 'fun" and those who'd actually like to dogfight for 'fun."
OK once again here's Corky's suggestions:
1-Eliminate the 'attaboy' messages for landing kills. If folks are that worried about their score, they can check the stats pages. It becomes too much of a drive for folks to get their 'wtgs' for landing 15 kills from vulching. There is no reward for risking a dogfight cause you might die. No attaboy, no shame in dying and no 'glory' for landing meaningless kills.
2-Make base taking much harder. I keep going back to the idea of satelite fields and airfield complexes in a sector with multiple VHs. Just because you flatten one of them doesn't mean a defense can't be mounted. Multple VHs lets the flaks roll so the kill the VH and manned ack first pass stuff doesn't kill the defense. Satelite fighter fields, that only launch fighters, and would be unkillable as there are no hangers (planes being dispersed around the single strip) allow the defender to up and defend the capturable field quicker. It would give folks a reason to keep trying even with a horde. Add more manned acks an camoflage em so that it isn't so easy to make a guns run and the manned acks are dead. In the end, the challenge to take a base becomes exactly that...a challenge.
Do this and you draw the furballers to the base takers as the furballers have a chance to get into the fight. And without the 'attaboys' folks might be more willing to die on occasion so they can get better, instead of thinking landing vulches means you are a good stick.
Obviously it won't eliminate vulching, but then the reward of capping a field is taking the field, not the attaboys. How many folks are going to actually stick with the base taking without their chance to get a WTG! though. Might be surprising to see. How many people might fly something else, if they didn't think landing kills every flight and getting an attaboy, was the primary goal? I think you'd see a change as folks checked out other birds besides LAs and 16s as they'd have less to 'lose' if they lost a fight.
Right now what is rewarded in the game, at least visibly, reinforces the wrong things in my opinion.
And as a furballer, I'd be much more apt to join in on a base taking if I knew there was an actualy fight at the other end, instead of a vulch fest. Frankly those bore me.
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I still don't get how Lazs & Co can resume the MA to a simple Furball vs Strat.
The hoarder are NOT interrested in getting field like a strat player is.
The only things they want is cheap kills so they can brag when their name is in light after they've landed their 2 pathetics vulches.
The hoarder never de-ack, never bomb ,never risk their precious lives gooning ,they spawn camp ...
The purpose of a strat player is to capture.
The purpose of a furballer is to fight.
And this oposition generate the fights.
This 2 variants of player have disappeared since about 2 year (at least during my TZ).
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Originally posted by mars01
Flayed, I am glad you guys enjoyed the night, I just wonder how much more you guys would have enjoyed it if you actually had to fight for what you were doing.
You cant tell me what you were doing wasn't like shooting fish in a Dixi cup with a 12 gauge.
I can say this, because some of the best squad nights I had as a MAW were when we came up against the AKs back in AHI. The fighting was fierce, tactics were pushed to the limits and the action was non stop.
When it started to get like your squad nights, going after the easy captures, rolling in unopposed, fighting each other for the scraps that were upping, I lost interest really fast and squad nights lost their appeal.
How many other squads were there with you the other night?? It definitely seemed larger than one squad. A lot of Ltars there too.
Have you ever entertained taking your squad nights and going against the enemy whordes instead of going after barely defended bases?? I think game play would change drasticly if squads like yours in all countries took the lead and made fighting each other for bases was the goal, rather than the prospects of easy captures. The quality of the pilots would increase across the board, people would be more inclined to fight than run and things might get better.
Honestly if your intention is to just roll undefended bases for squad night, then yeah your actions make your squad and the others like it, public enemy #1 in regards to why game play sucks as much as it does. :)
Maybe that is what the current player base has come to, nobody wanting to fight, everyone wanting the easy kill, just so they can see their name in the text buffer and pretend they are good...
I hope your squad and others like your squad start to see what a large negative impact, of taking large groups and going after poorly defended bases, is having on the game and game play itself and at least become sensative to it.
You guys might be having fun rolling unopposed across bases that are too far apart, but your killing the game for a big part of the community too.
I hope this makes sense and you see the bigger picture as part of the community.:aok
While there may of been other players tagging along, we didn't organize anything outside the squad. I counted and at one point we had 49 members online, no need to bring in other squads.
Unopposed, hardly. Sure the first two bases were easy cause they were taken by surprise but that's where the free ride ends. And what eventaully ground everything to a hault was that by the 5th or 6th base, the Rooks finally started to meet us between bases. What resulted was a very large furball lasting about 30 minutes before it fizzled out when people went to bed.
Keep in mind that all we're doing is fighting towards the only end designed into this game. Complaining about a horde is funny because by nature a horde is rather confined to a small area of the map. Magically, if you are not enjoying the fight in that one sector, you have many more to pick from. I also see no reason to fight fair. Fighting fair is a good way to lose. And I'm not sure where some of you guys are flying, but I never have any sortage of air to air fights. If all you want to do is have fights with great ACM then move to the DA as it is a perfectly controlled environment.
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Make base taking much harder
IMO this will, and is now the cause of the horde
I remember when in AH1 you could take some bases more easily, four of us could try to take a VH or even a field, for example, missions were more scattered in the whole map, no need to join a horde, just four or five fighters to have a try;
on the other hand just four, five or six could up to defend, so there were more little conflicts all along the map, and you could easily find those 1vs1 fights that are so nice.
The search for enormous furballs has generated the horde, and the furball deny what most players write here to be the most satisfying fight, the 1vs 1 (at least occasionally).
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Originally posted by lazs2
bat.... I have never claimed to be anything but meidiocre.... even so... I figure I have at least a 50/50 chance of coming out ahead against whoever I meet in the arena in a furball. Apparently the really good ones you seem to think exist don't get down and dirty to fight the likes of me... Although I would say that I have fought some guys that us furballers know to be pretty good... They never seem to think I need to go to the DA with em.
I am glad you finaly realized that we were right all along tho that the only fun that endures.....is the furball.
nah its not about proving anything....its about the two people in the DA fighting head to head 1 on 1. there is nothing like it for stick gripping, sweaty palm fighting when you match yourself against someone who also knows their chit.
these 'really good pilots' do exist and are most apparant in a 1 on 1 fight, and win or lose i find alot of enjoyment dueling them.
i just wish you would go DA so you could enjoy something i enjoy.
not sure what your last sentance is, or if it makes sense but i find it ammusing that you add the word 'finally' in regard to my enjoyment of furballs :D
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Originally posted by macleod01
I object to all of this bull about the newbies.
I object to all you newbies that outfly me!!:confused:
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lol shifty, well dont worry about me for that
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btw - new screenshots in the CT forum.
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Originally posted by lazs2
yep... if all you guys want is to have choice and variety then you would not object to a fightertown or two on every map correct?
Fact is... you like the way things are because you realize that given any real choice....
no one will play with you... it will be just like when you were a kid and mom had to hang the porkchop around your neck to get the dogs to play with you.
Fact is... resets still take place EVEN on the fightertown map. So i guess
some folk will, and may continue to play the land-grab even if a FT was on every map.
for myself i fully support the idea of FT on every map. i believe those who oppose FT do so because they fear that somehow it is "taking resources"
away from the "win the war" effort. what these people may have overlooked is that a similar amount of enemy "resources" are also in FT, and therefore
presents no threat to the land grabbing.
btw i got a good chuckle out of the porkchop comment.....
thanks for the laugh.
:lol
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soup... we agree... that is exactly it.. There a lot of people who think that a FT takes away "resources". In other words
No one will play with them if they have any other choice.
And that is my point, there really is no choice anymore. or.... very little...
You can be part of the land grab whorde or you can be the one or two getting steamrolled by it.
A bar means nothing in these large maps with far apart fields and the land grabbers know it... the first thing they do is take out the dar with one suicide late war runway diver.
When all you have is a bar with fields over a sector apart.... it is pretty meaningless. what looks like a good fight will not be so by the time you get there.
Good fights only happen by extreme good luck or on the glass bulb fragile CV's for the few minutes they are close to the enemy base.
And that is the problem... There really is no opportunity to have good fights so a FT is about mandatory if you like to furball at all.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Keep in mind that all we're doing is fighting towards the only end designed into this game. Complaining about a horde is funny because by nature a horde is rather confined to a small area of the map. Magically, if you are not enjoying the fight in that one sector, you have many more to pick from.
So, going after undefended bases with easy captures is your goal.
The 30 mind furball wouldn't have been at 75 that night would it?
So you guys have to roll at least 5 bases to get a good fight going, why not just look for the other horde and fight that with your 50 guys. If you guys are good enough you should be able to push back the other horde and take their base. Why in the world would you rather roll undefended bases???
Magically, if you are not enjoying the fight in that one sector, you have many more to pick from. I also see no reason to fight fair. Fighting fair is a good way to lose. And I'm not sure where some of you guys are flying, but I never have any sortage of air to air fights. If all you want to do is have fights with great ACM then move to the DA as it is a perfectly controlled environment.
Yeah the maps are big, but the player base is not. I do not fly with the horde and when flying against it gets old there is very little else to do. Especially when the other fights are a sector or more away. With the smaller numbers those fights usually fade before you get there and turn into a vulch. Yeah maybe after a few of those you run into a good fight. Yeah thats fun. 20 mins flying around 1 min of fighting. Sign me up!
Fighting fair is a good way to lose what? LOLHROTFFAY .:rofl :rofl :rofl
If all you wan to do is bomb undefended bases with your friends then go to the TA. How does that work for you??
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Mars, this is crazy. You have the right to voice your opinion, but you refuse to listen to anybody elses! Youve dismissed everybody's views except your own and people of a similar view point. Its hardly a discussion
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mars, we're starting to go to the DA in the evenings now for some decent duels. sure, it's really irritating to have to go to another arena just to find a good fight, but if you want a few, we'll be there, would love for you to pop by :)
as for the landgrab, i do find the whole mentality VERY boring. i personally love to go on a bomb run or two when i want a break, i'll go bomb a factory or something, but it's the divebombing lancs flattening bases as they auger, kamikaze typhies with rockets, porking dar and troops, all that lot, it drives me mad.
unfortunately, if that's what the mindless dweebs in the horde want to do, there's nothing we can really do to stop them, and if HT changed anything he'd get whines all day long, because it's the players that are doing it, not the AH game itself.
trick is going to be i guess, get away from any landgrab dweebs, call up on channel 299 where you are and hope someone just like you will show up :)
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So you guys have to roll at least 5 bases to get a good fight going, why not just look for the other horde and fight that with your 50 guys. If you guys are good enough you should be able to push back the other horde and take their base. Why in the world would you rather roll undefended bases???
Why are you BK tards so worried about what others are doing? Let's just cry a little more about how others don't play a video game the way we like. Waaaaaaa Why doesn't your squad just stay in the H2H where you can furball all day, every day and tell eachother how you are the greatest thing to hit AH. If you just want to furball, why worry how bases are being taken? It should be none of your concern, after reading your posts. Here's an idea...mind your own business, cause we surely are not worried what you are doing. The BKs spend more time ruining people's threads on the forums than actually playing the game anyway, so who cares if you are not happy with what we do? Here's a deal, when you pay everyone's $15 a month, you can decide how we play, mm kay pumpkins?
Every time a BK cries, an angel gets his wings
:aok
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SWEET!! We have another new fanboi!
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REALLY HARSH Ranger! But
for that! Well done! Im impressed! Brilliant work for that! Very good points and very true You for that
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Mars, this is crazy. You have the right to voice your opinion, but you refuse to listen to anybody elses! Youve dismissed everybody's views except your own and people of a similar view point. Its hardly a discussion
Hmmmm a discussion:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=discussion (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=discussion)
Pronunciation[di-skuhsh-uhn]
–noun an act or instance of discussing; consideration or examination by argument, comment, etc., esp. to explore solutions; informal debate.
So no where in the definition of a discussion do I see the need for those parties involved to actually agree. That would be in-agreement and the end of the discussion.
What is crazy is that you read my post, you read my responses to people so I am obviousely listening, but you have a problem that I post back a retourt. You have a problem that I have an answer for most peoples posts and I still don't agree. That is what is crazy.
Post something that can rebuke what I am saying and the others of us are seeing and join the discussion. Dont cry that the discussion continues.
Then some one replies with:
Why are you BK tards so worried about what others are doing? Let's just cry a little more about how others don't play a video game the way we like. Waaaaaaa Why doesn't your squad just stay in the H2H where you can furball all day, every day and tell eachother how you are the greatest thing to hit AH. If you just want to furball, why worry how bases are being taken? It should be none of your concern, after reading your posts. Here's an idea...mind your own business, cause we surely are not worried what you are doing. The BKs spend more time ruining people's threads on the forums than actually playing the game anyway, so who cares if you are not happy with what we do? Here's a deal, when you pay everyone's $15 a month, you can decide how we play, mm kay pumpkins?
Every time a BK cries, an angel gets his wings
and you reply:
REALLY HARSH Ranger! But for that! Well done! Im impressed! Brilliant work for that! Very good points and very true You for that
It's not harsh, it's someones melt down cause they have nothing intelligent to add. And you undersand that. Salute and call it brilliant. [ROLLS EYES]
LOLH Says a lot about you.
What grade are you in?? LOLH
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Why are you BK tards so worried about what others are doing? Let's just cry a little more about how others don't play a video game the way we like. Waaaaaaa Why doesn't your squad just stay in the H2H where you can furball all day, every day and tell eachother how you are the greatest thing to hit AH. If you just want to furball, why worry how bases are being taken? It should be none of your concern, after reading your posts. Here's an idea...mind your own business, cause we surely are not worried what you are doing. The BKs spend more time ruining people's threads on the forums than actually playing the game anyway, so who cares if you are not happy with what we do? Here's a deal, when you pay everyone's $15 a month, you can decide how we play, mm kay pumpkins?
Ranger you are no better when you come in here and post this crap, ruining my thread and crying like a baby. LOLH I love hippocrates. :aok
All your questions have been answered many times, but you came in here to puff out your chest. Congrats, do you feel better.
Now if you have anything to actaully contribute to the thread go ahead or was the above drivil it?:aok
Edit:
Ahahahaha You are the CO of the BOP Horde Warriors - Takers of Undefended Bases. I actually had a little respect for your squad based on your other sqauddies posts, that is until you opened up your pie whole and that drivel fell out.
So I guess you have no intention of fighting the other hordes, just the AA LOLHAY. :aok
Now it all makes sense. Carry on. :aok
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Who's Lynx, and why does he hate me so?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Yeah Biggs I will be on and check there first now. Thanks.
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Oh yeah Ranger, I forgot to mention REN already has intellectual property rights on the "the BK's are the cause of everything that is bad or wrong in AH" line of reasoning. You better ask his permission for its use or you open yourself up to possible legal action.
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Who's Lynx, and why does he hate me so?
LOLH Thats the other thread man, your elf powers are weakening. LOLH
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Originally posted by mars01
Fighting fair is a good way to lose what? LOLHROTFFAY .:rofl :rofl :rofl
If all you wan to do is bomb undefended bases with your friends then go to the TA. How does that work for you??
TA's no good, can't cause damage in there.
As I said, they stop being undefended rather quickly. And half the time we don't even take bombs, just use guns. And do you know what happens during the times we take bombs? Well after we drop them, some of us will spread out around the base and have..wait for it...dogfights! I never have a problem finding some incoming, and it's almost always an LA7. And I'm always in something big like a P38 or 110 which provide decent satisfaction in shooting down easy mode aircraft. I actually think I end up in more satisfying dogfights because of large squad operations than just flying off hoping to find something. Oh and if all you want to do is have climate controlled dogfights then go to the DA.
You fly the way you want to and I'll fly the way I want to. It's not our problem if the game has evolved around you from what it used to be in 2002. What I do know is the issue will not be solved by whining to no end about all those evil players who fly bombers and Jabos as opposed to the blessed light fighter.
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What grade are you in?? LOLH [/B]
I assume you are IMPLYING that I am one of these squeaky voiced 10yr olds on vox. Maybe you shouldnt IMPLY things. Doesnt suit your stupidity. I happen to have left school. This is more than can be said for your maturity, which is obviously still in Kindergarten
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Gents....this isn't a "squad" thing. It's gameplay. And unless some are willing to learn the art of virtual online combat flying and tactics in a one on one, two on two etc. evenly matched numbers fight, our text and thoughts are wasted. We have to show them the light. And definately the light "ain't " on in most. But once they've learned what it is about....they will look for a good fight. Will be hard for them to understand unless they experience it.
As the old saying goes....ya can lead a horse to water........
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you gonna add something macleod01 or just throw around insults and cry??
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As I said, they stop being undefended rather quickly. And half the time we don't even take bombs, just use guns. And do you know what happens during the times we take bombs? Well after we drop them, some of us will spread out around the base and have..wait for it...dogfights! I never have a problem finding some incoming, and it's almost always an LA7. And I'm always in something big like a P38 or 110 which provide decent satisfaction in shooting down easy mode aircraft. I actually think I end up in more satisfying dogfights because of large squad operations than just flying off hoping to find something. Oh and if all you want to do is have climate controlled dogfights then go to the DA.
Film it and prove it, I was there - you guys steam rolled via numbers. If there were 5 guys defending that was a lot and you all went strait to vulch. You dogfight after dropping bombs, I have news that is not dogfighting it's vulching. Ohhh shooting down an LA in a 49 V 1 with a 38 a big . :rofl
It's funny you guys won't entertain fighting the opposing potatods. Why is that??
Instead you crawl behind, "you fly your way, well fly ours" LOLH. That's too bad I thought more of you guys I guess. No big suprise or loss.
You fly the way you want to and I'll fly the way I want to. It's not our problem if the game has evolved around you from what it used to be in 2002. What I do know is the issue will not be solved by whining to no end about all those evil players who fly bombers and Jabos as opposed to the blessed light fighter.
Evolved, try devolved. It went from a fighter pilots dream to a timid potatod hero's dream and I guess you guys lead the charge. Well you won, mediocraty it is. Congrats!
"What I do know is the issue will not be solved by whining to no end about all those evil players who fly bombers and Jabos "
Well maybe more people that hide with the lemmings in the whordes will start to recognize there is a better more challenging game out here. And every time you guys lose a decent stick because they are bored to tears fighting each other, these threads will be worth it. And I gaurantee as long as I am here and game play continues to suck I will be here posting about it. :aok
See LYNX there is no changing the minds of the potatod hero's. It's the usual, selfish we dont care we're gonna fly the way we want and take undefended bases and that is that. We don't have to fight and you can't make us LOLH. :rofl
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USRanger you mean some one hates the BKs and more importantly....me:eek:
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Originally posted by mars01
Film it and prove it, I was there - you guys steam rolled via numbers. If there were 5 guys defending that was a lot and you all went strait to vulch. You dogfight after dropping bombs, I have news that is not dogfighting it's vulching. Ohhh shooting down an LA in a 49 V 1 with a 38 a big . :rofl
It's funny you guys won't entertain fighting the opposing potatods. Why is that??
Instead you crawl behind, "you fly your way, well fly ours" LOLH. That's too bad I thought more of you guys I guess. No big suprise or loss.
Evolved, try devolved. It went from a fighter pilots dream to a timid potatod hero's dream and I guess you guys lead the charge. Well you won, mediocraty it is. Congrats!
"What I do know is the issue will not be solved by whining to no end about all those evil players who fly bombers and Jabos "
Well maybe more people that hide with the lemmings in the whordes will start to recognize there is a better more challenging game out here. And every time you guys lose a decent stick because they are bored to tears fighting each other, these threads will be worth it. And I gaurantee as long as I am here and game play continues to suck I will be here posting about it. :aok
See LYNX there is no changing the minds of the potatod hero's. It's the usual, selfish we dont care we're gonna fly the way we want and take undefended bases and that is that. We don't have to fight and you can't make us LOLH. :rofl
Did I ever say we didn't roll over bases with massive numbers? No, but thanks for repeating it anyway. Those who hang around a base are in fact vulching, I'm glad you noticed. Those who branch out to run interference between bases are in fact dog fighting. Sort of hard to vulch over a forest. And we do go up against opposing hordes. In fact just last night, around A21, we countered a rather large one. Probably was about an 80 plane fight at one point. I also don't know why you wouldn't want to fly the way you prefer, just like I fly the way I prefer. But don't worry, it won't bother me one bit if you fly in a style you don't prefer. And thanks for seeing the light, we do lead the charge. And for all the people who left, I am glad most of them did.
So, since the game from your perspective will probably only get worse I see two options. One, branch out from your very narrow view of what is fun and come up with something else to do when a good dogfight doesn't exist. Or two, cancel your account and find some other aspect of live to complain about.
The reason the players your targeting with this thread will never change is because they are always able to find something fun to do in this game while you sit there and declare it sucks. It makes absolutely no difference how stupid or boring you think base taking is, people do it because they find it fun. Also calling them lame doesn't detract from there fun factor. Oddly nobody is here to cater to you. It completely baffles the mind as to why someone would actually start a thread about how they are not having fun. Are we all supposed to hold your hand and say, "It's alright, we understand you miss the good old days. That's it, just let it out, it's okay to cry."
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Well maybe more people that hide with the lemmings in the whordes will start to recognize there is a better more challenging game out here. And every time you guys lose a decent stick because they are bored to tears fighting each other, these threads will be worth it. And I gaurantee as long as I am here and game play continues to suck I will be here posting about it.
How you getting on with that rasp (read your other thread)?
See LYNX there is no changing the minds of the potatod hero's. It's the usual, selfish we dont care we're gonna fly the way we want and take undefended bases and that is that. We don't have to fight and you can't make us LOLH.
Mars01..... again I tell you that you have no clue as to who I am, what I like in the game, what I dislike. All your doing me old chocolate fudge is looking inept. You do it rather well though. Please add gold star to your signature:p
Should I tell you what I'm about? .....Na your a BB's hero at best. If you actually spent more time in the game than the boards you'd know what I'm about.
But to add to your thread. School brake is nearly over so there should be less in those wittly nasty hoards. Level bombers should only be able to drop from the F6 position. Making bases with attached fields would, in my oppinion, promote even bigger hoards. I would like to see more mannable ack position on the field and around the towns, cities and factories. 5 inchers would be best as well as 40mm's. Rearm pads on V bases would be noval. I can take or leave that suggestion. You can ask me that question next time I'm E6B with 1 min of fuel and no ammo:D.
Any one agree with the above additions to AH say "I". Will any of the additions stop Mars01 getting hoarded ? Stop him flying into a Hoard? Get him a time machine so he can arrive back to "how it was", of the 5 minutes Mars01 actually fly's per day enable him to find a "great fight" in the first minute.............not in a gazillion year :rolleyes:
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Satelite fields and added flaks was my idea because I don't expect the hordes to disappear.
With that in mind I want at least a fighting chance to get in position to defend against them
I think you need to get off this being a BK thing LYNX. I'm not a BK but I agree with his concerns. Mars doesn't lose the right to an opinion and a valid one because he's a BK. It does appear that somehow that's nullified his thoughts in yours and some other folks minds.
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sorry, im a bit of a newb, so what IS a BK? Im guessing BS is Back stabber?
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We're the guy that kills you on the merge and you call us a haxxor:aok
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accomplish something? LOL... I guess that if you still feel that taking a field with a horde is "accomplishing something" then there is no getting through to you guys.
But... You do know that once all the fields are taken then the map simply resets and it has been doing so for years right?
You realize that if you don't reset the map it automaticaly resets on wednesday? How does that fit in with "imagination"? You are now instantly in a different war. Real immersive eh?
You realize that most furballers make more "perk points" in one 10 minute sortie than the toolshed battlers and potatod warriors make in days of trying to reset the map and (cough) "capture fields"
You realize that every field capture is just like the last? The skill of the buildings varies very little? No one remembers who reset the map last much less a year ago.
Fester made the best map we ever had... it had a lot of close fields and the strat girls went insane.... they complained every day that it was a terrible map because everyone was having fun which meant....
no one played with them.
Fester gave in and moved some fields and changed some to V fields... There was never more whining here than that done by the strat children.
The strat girls depend on everyone not having any choice because that is the only way anyone will play their boring reset game. That is why they are so upset about any thread that talks about giving people choice.
And the funny part is.... given enough time... they eventualy realize that the furball guys were right all along and that if you want to have any fun that lasts.... you have to fight...
If you want organization and hard work..... why even come here? Put some overtime in at work and have a bigger paycheck to show for your effort instead of the scorn of fellow AHers.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by DipStick
Last time I had fun ingame.
Also,
All the fighters could carry enough gas to get into the fight and then return to base !
AH 1 was fun, I really miss it .....
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Yawnnnn......its the third page of the third whining thread on "I know how to play and you don't, so you have to play like me"
Boring:p
Ah the old AH1 times, when everyone was flying more and whining less....:D
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"This is the Song That Doesn't End,
Yes, it goes on and on, my friend.
Some people started singin' it,
not knowin' what it was.
But they'll continue singin' it
forever just because,
This is the song that doesn't end..."
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Originally posted by thndregg
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Wow.
That hit me like a Charlie Horse.
Only, she was a lot younger then. Thirty years or so younger, I'd guess.
- oldman