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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Possi on May 27, 2001, 12:10:00 PM
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It´s better than the Dreamwork AH (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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"Killer
Posts: 78 posted 05/25/01 23:00:24
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Frame rate is a challenge. Im getting around 14 with trooper best case on a minimum machine, a Pentium 400, 128 megs RAM, and a voodoo 3. It gets lower in combat.
My 1.5g P4, with 128 megs RAM and Gforce2 gets 30+FPS with a trooper.
Loading times are rather long as well, and RAM helps.
I'll say it again, RAM helps, get a lot, 512 megs od RAM seems to do more than anything for performance, and RAM is pretty cheap these days."
Well I know where I'm not going.
You put your trust into a product that isn't even released to the public, and telling us AH is a dreamwork?
You must of been whacked upside the head with the handsomehunk stick one too many times.
-SW
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Possi, I would strongly disagree with that statement, and believe me I know.
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hmm, get more RAM ok,but what is better,Grafik or FH?
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Get more RAM?
I have 392MB of P100 SDRAM. I do not need anymore RAM... if I need more RAM to run that game... it won't sit on my HDD for more than 1 day.
AH graphics are very nice... I've only seen some of WWIIOl's and well... I'm less than ecstatic (WB3 OTOH is excellent)..
WWIIOl's FM? No idea what it's like... But AH's FM is very close to the real thing.
I'll check out your opinion in 2 weeks Possi, when it really matters.
-SW
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That thing in the quotes Possi... that wasn't ME buddy, that was your great Killer from CRS.
Might want to read more, speculate less.
-SW
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Originally posted by SeaWulfe:
But AH's FM is very close to the real thing.
-SW
No,there not very close,believe me!
4 German Pilots test Flysim-Games,and the say to AH "To heavy to fly this Plane´s Bf109 and Fw190,there FM is not realistic!"
There test more Games,the Results in the Net,when all finished.
Believe me,there testet all (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
But the test take slow,this olds Pilots (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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You must of been whacked upside the head with the handsomehunk stick one too many times.
ROTFL! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hows TK?
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Originally posted by Possi:
No,there not very close,believe me!
4 German Pilots test Flysim-Games,and the say to AH "To heavy to fly this Plane´s Bf109 and Fw190,there FM is not realistic!"
There test more Games,the Results in the Net,when all finished.
Believe me,there testet all (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
But the test take slow,this olds Pilots (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Did you know that Finnish pilots usually took off cannon pods from 109's because they became too nose heavy from that what they already were?
Although, there are few things that I don't agree with AH.
But 109's were in reality as well heavy to control, but 190s were far more lighter to control compared to 109.
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Originally posted by Possi:
No,there not very close,believe me!
4 German Pilots test Flysim-Games,and the say to AH "To heavy to fly this Plane´s Bf109 and Fw190,there FM is not realistic!"
There test more Games,the Results in the Net,when all finished.
Believe me,there testet all (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
But the test take slow,this olds Pilots (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Time to put on the galoshes.... the BS is getting knee deep in here!
-SW
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Screw WWIIOL.
They won't let me see what its like before I fork out... $40 for the box, $35 for shipping to NZ, $10 a month IF i like it. IE... I will have to fork out NZ$178 just to LOOK at it.
And then it starts AGAIN when they release new arenas (Pacific, late war etc).
So much for the ohhhh its cheaper than AH $10 a month. Like hell it is!!!
And they've gone gold with a game STILL in closed beta.
Very very disappointing to say the least.
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From what I've read from a few beta testers, it is being touted as a landmark online experience. No arcade sim at all. ust shooting a rifle and getting a kill is supposed to take a bit of skill also from long distance. No crosshairs, you have to aim thru the iron sights. Reason for the GONE GOLD decision was because of community demand for it to be released. Think about it: for $30 a month you are getting a sim that is still in beta stages and constantly being patched. I fail to see the difference betwixt AH and WW2Online.
fscott
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fscott, that's what you read. And of course <sarcasm mode = on> if it was anything but phenominal they'd put up aar's and stories on the HW that reflected the many problemS and questionable features it has.
I've heard from no less than a half dozen closed beta testers (anyone have a problem with that tell it to someone else) who are good friends of mine that WW2O is....
well...
lol. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
well, you'll see (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (after you plop down $40)
I'll just say, it's monthly price is appropriate - that is if you like a FPS, tanking and low frame rates. Lum the Dums' article is not far off the mark at all.
If you like flying. You're gonna be pissed.
-Westy
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Fscott.
Online landmark? uh-huh. Tell ya what, I'll say one word: NAFF.
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I'm not into flying right now. Perhaps the flight sim part is arcadish. But the ground war and including tank battles is what interests me. The whole of it, and how everything works together is what is supposed to be "landmark". And from what I've read it is.
As a side note, I find it sad that many folks here are wishing or wanting the demise of ww2online? I would think that all you WW2 buffs would be wanting it to the best game of all time. We don't get many WW2 sims or games around. This one is very ambitious, yet it is doing something no other game has ever done. Attempting to recreate and entire war all in realtime, online.
I know its hard to give up what your used too. And many of you really do wish the demise of WW2Online just so you don't have to learn something new. Change is good.
fscott
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The FM in ww2online is better than in AH,is more realisc!
And you can feel the fly,not like in AH!
There is a big Groundwar...and you feel like to jump to 1940.
When you fly low level thats is,oh you don´t believe it...
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Originally posted by Possi:
oh you don´t believe it...
Nope... not until the box release comes out and you poor SOBs fork out 40$ for it.
-SW
[This message has been edited by SeaWulfe (edited 05-28-2001).]
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Yes 40$ is an huge loss if the game sucks!!! I have never in my life bought an game that i did not like <G>
Djust give up AH one month and add 10 bucks and voila!
Or give up the smokes for one month or dont go to any movies for an month etc etc...
I really cant belive you guys who wishes WWIIOL to go down the drain. Sure it wont be everything they have promised but its sure is an WWII sim enthusiasts (spelling?) dream come true...
[This message has been edited by Maniac (edited 05-28-2001).]
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Dream or nightmare, we'll see Maniac. I may pick the box up in a month or two, giving the preorder suckers some time to weed out the bugs for me.
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Originally posted by Westy MOL:
If you like flying. You're gonna be pissed.
-Westy
I think it should read "If you like flying Aces High. You're gonna be pissed."
Good! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
The place for the die-hard, furballing, pom-pom waving fiedur pylits is in tulips High (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
And when the only 200 people left subscribing to Hi Tech's game have gotten everything but fiedurs nerfed to the point they are totally useless, HTC goes outta business for lack of customers.
Then they'll be back at Wartbyrds. Still talking about how bad WWII Online sucks, and how it's 12,000 + subscribers are a buncha know-nothing dweebs.
No pom-poms here. WWII Online may well suck. If it does, no biggie.
I need to spend some time with Barbie and her Pet Adventures anyway.
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Uh huh..I knew it. This has just become another mud slinging, "my sim is better than yours" fist fight. I personally could give a rat's bellybutton about which is better. I play a game I like. Even if WWIIOL is the best WWII sim out there, if I don't like it, I won't play it. Oh and Possi, you being the only one here who knows exactly what a WWII warbird's flight characteristics are, you must have flown all of them! You must have, because you seem to know everything there is to know about the FM. So do tell, oh great fighter ace of WWII, what makes the WWIIOL FM realistic?
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Everything dead in 30 minutes or less or the next one's free.
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[This message has been edited by texace (edited 05-28-2001).]
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Originally posted by texace:
Uh huh..I knew it. This has just become another mud slinging, "my sim is better than yours" fist fight. I personally could give a rat's bellybutton about which is better. I play a game I like. Even if WWIIOL is the best WWII sim out there, if I don't like it, I won't play it. Oh and Possi, you being the only one here who knows exactly what a WWII warbird's flight characteristics are, you must have flown all of them! You must have, because you seem to know everything there is to know about the FM. So do tell, oh great fighter ace of WWII, what makes the WWIIOL FM realistic?
We have testing Games with 4 Germanpilots from ww2 and i think there know whats going on!
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Possi, dont you see this is utterly the wrong way to 'promote' wwiiol.
Coming here saying AH is toejam wont do it...
Everyone will have the chance of trying it out soon enough, 2 weeks actually, no toejam this time (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Regards.
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sorry i don´t say AH is toejam,no is a good Game,but it is not correct like the most player say.
I dont wont really promote wwiiol,but is a diffrent to AH.
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4 WWII German pilots are playing WWIIOl huh?
What are there names and what squadrons did they fly for?
-SW
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Wulfe,
If they are flying WWIIOL now they probably are under an NDA. I guess the NDA includes that you cant tell anyone your in the beta (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (or who else is in).
Dont take this too seriously AH guys, it will be here soon enough... And if it sucks well then theres atleast 2 good alternatives left...
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I'm only interested in finding out how valid this guys comments are.
I read about this one particular guy who claimed to have been a WWII pilot for Germany that really wasn't. This was over 10 months ago, and this guy was quickly disputed.
We'll obviously find out in less than two weeks (June6th right?) how this will turn out.
I'm extremely skeptical, I've seen games get hyped up before (anyone remember SDOE?) and they turn out to be incomplete or unstable.
Words are just that until I can play it, and at 40$ with no offline mode I'm going to wait atleast 2 months to find out how good it can be.
-SW
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Sorry Degas. Wrong. Don't put words in my mouth. Man for man, each person who is in closed beta said when they were extremely dissapointed in the flight-fight aspect. That if you look forward to being a grunt or ground vehicle participant you could be happy. And if their computer can handle it.
My comments re:WW2O had nothing to do with AH, WB's FA or AW at all. They are soley and simply about how WW2O itself as told by those who've been there for some time. WW2O has so far fallen very, very short of what these people have imagined it would be. And they thought the same as so many of the gung-ho types who've been so vocal about hoping that WW2O will be the historical sim aka the online Holy Grail.
However I'll add more of my own opinion and that is I think WW2O will be be the biggest frag/quake fest and constant furball fight ever seen online. Why?
$10/mo and all the generals are literally beating thier doors down. The constant barrage of "WE MUST DEFEND..." or "BASE XXXX IS BEING ATTACKED> GET THERE!!!" and all the other " YADDY YADY CRAPPA BLAH BLAH BLAH" pseuod-strategy crap will be several hundreds of times worse in WW2O. What has been seen on the country channels in AW,WB or AW nothign in comparison. As the "stratego" people like yourself all plan ops for groups and squads, now you 'll be ignored by whole groups of people and entire squads.
Nothing in comparison to being dissed by a few lone wolfs and small groups of people here.
WW2O will be chock full of Generals thinking they know "the right way," they are sure that have what it takes to lead thier side to victory and they are all sure they know exactly where to attack or defend.
I actually cracks me up a bit, And this is all pretty much obvious to anyone who'd been online for a few years (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Westy
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I'm starting to think that they canceled the open beta because of the bad publicity it would create. Better to sell a hundred of those $40 boxes than be left barehanded...
I was really enthusiastic about WW2Ol when I first heard of it. Then after all this hype and scum throwing I'm just waiting to see reviews of it first.
I don't buy a pig in a bag anymore.
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"I actually cracks me up a bit, And this is all pretty much obvious to anyone who'd been online for a few years"
Ehrm... Its obvious to me that you think CRS are an bunch of imbecills. Thinking they dont have an plan for all your concerns are an bit foolish. Even the radio perhaps wont have the same concept as WB or AH???
The ones who left ICI/IEN and started CRS are djust as talented as Pyro & Hitech and they do have more resources in both personell and other stuff..
And Westy, its no secret that the version that went gold was rushed due to different reasons, we would be foolish to think that an pork storm WONT hit the fan when they open the gates....
But djust as AH & WB, WWIIOL IS an work in progress and i bet they will crank out updates atleast as fast if not faster then HTC...
SURE IT PROBABLY WONT HAVE EVERYTHING PROMISED/HYPED ON THE BOARDS BUT I HOPE IT ALL WILL BE THERE SOMEDAY!!! DONT YOU???
Well im tired in my arms now, <hands the pom poms back to Rip> (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Imbeciles? Thats funny. No, they're all pretty smart. But I'm talking about gameplay and the way internet people tend to pervert online arenas. I'm not talking about what CRS or the grognards HOPE happens.
What are you talking about? Besides having an atypical sycophantic, spasmatic knee jerk reaction to some imagined "attack" on the CRS people by me?
I've never once expressed any thoughts about the "Rats" themselves. Nor have I even alluded or sublimely tried to pass off any towards them. You read way more into it more than is there. Then again, I recall you were that way here (the AH boards) too Maniac.
But imo of all the folks at ICI-Imagic-iEN it was Pyro was the who knew the most as to what the players wanted. Not that the others did not, however they had thier plates full of thier own part of the operation.
A large majority of those at CRS are recruits from the experienced WB's player base and they are honestly novices in this biz.
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy MOL (edited 05-28-2001).]
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Westy I guess we don't see you in there then (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
What cracks me up is some of you guys act like MG earlier, Bashing game you don't know a chit.
(One ex AH-player I know is in beta and he was very pleased how it works. It needs some fine-tuning just like AH)
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Maniac, let me explain it slowly for you.
I wanted to try WWIIOL - not just flying. But to try it I will have to pay US$40, plus US$35 for shipping. US$75 = NZ$178.
With AH a new user can just download, try, fly, delete if they don't like.
Secondly, WWIIOL charges for additional arenas - ie, late war, pacific, etc. Currently that charge is 'undisclosed'.
Thirdly, WWIIOL is currently limited to ONE arena with a limited set of vehicles.
Fourthly, I agree totally with Westy's view of the in game 'management' and mission related promotions.
So on one hand I have AH, which I love, $30 a month, free scenarios, lotsa vehicles. On the other hand I have WWIIOL which I'm not sure about, $40+$35+$120/year and additional arena costs (hardly $10 a month is it?).
You see my dilemna?
And Degas? Whats your problem, if you dislike AH so much... SEE YA! Don't let the door hit you on the way out, we're not forcing you to stay?
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Staga, it's unbeleivable to me that you could compare anyone (including myself) who has a different, dissenting but well though out explanatin of thier opinion, using facts, to anything ever dribbled by MG is beyond words. Pure and simple he's retarded. He bashes HTC on a personal level and fabricates enourmous exagerations to piss people off because he has "issues". Basically he does have a "problem".
I'm only stating my opinion based on what I know of online gaming from several years of watching people in several "communities" and from what I know of how WW2O is at the moment. Can't forget to mention having observed the WW2O web boards go straight down the proverbial sewer over the last six months to a year. Find me a post on AH that postulates that Hitler nd the SS were actually a nice club of people. And that's just the tip of the iceburg
My opinion is on the readiness of the product, how imo the product is going to absolutely disappoint alot of self made WW2O champions and also how once the jeuvinile minions who are hanging out on the webboards finally make it in that it will not be the <cough> simulation of WW2 many of you think it will be. Not any more than doing an online mission in AW/WB or AH. To top it all off if you took all the AW/WB and AH sTRAGEDY players and tossed them into one big pool, what they have been drooling for, they're going to bump heads left and right. Basically it's going to be Egotistville. All of the generals are going to get in thier own way in a manner that makes what occurs online in AH a laugh.
What are YOU going to do when General Balo TELLS you what to do? lol. Have fun. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I'll certainly try it, after the guinea pigs have open beta tested it and the reports come in on how the gameplay is (or isn't). I personally can only take using a gun or tank for so long anyway. It's a diversion, a side dish in AH for me when I want a break from flying. I don't want it as a primary focus of my gameplay. I have some major problems with several feature of thier air segment. So no, you won't see me in WW2O until it really is more realistic.
For the first time in a year I truly think that WW2O may not be a competitor to AH or WB's - as it stand right now. Who knows in a year? Maybe it will have FA-2's padlock or Maybe it will be the most realistic available.
With a crowd paying $10/mo online... do you think it will get more real? Or easier?
That's a trick question as I already know the answer (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) (hint: go see Aw or FA-2 fr your answer)
And once again. To compare any of my posts with ones from MG makes you out look like a loser.
-Westy
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Westy there will be "Generals" but they are guys who already have gain some reputation in the game by succesfull missions.
Also you don't have to join in a mission if you don't like it, just have fun with your squad and wait one you like.
Where did I said I compare you to MG ?
"Westy: makes you out look like a loser"
You really like to insult people?
Same old Westy, Maybe you should withdrawn from this UBB again? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Why you folks are arguing over what a game will or won't have escapes me. Vulcan I can feel your pain. I wouldn't pay $178 for the game either. I've already preordered it from EBWorld and will have it the day after it ships from the warehouse. $40 is *nothing* to sweat about. I can't imagine anyone here sweating over $40 for a game that CAN BE RETURNED if you don't like it. Buy it at Gamestop or EB.
Really, come on now. The argument over *wasting* $40 for a game, which can be returned, really has no grounds to argue upon.
The concept really is a WW2 lovers dream come true. Come on now...
fscott
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Dude, move here, buy the game, try and return it.
The concept is a dream come true... the implentation is what will be interesting.
Originally posted by fscott:
Why you folks are arguing over what a game will or won't have escapes me. Vulcan I can feel your pain. I wouldn't pay $178 for the game either. I've already preordered it from EBWorld and will have it the day after it ships from the warehouse. $40 is *nothing* to sweat about. I can't imagine anyone here sweating over $40 for a game that CAN BE RETURNED if you don't like it. Buy it at Gamestop or EB.
Really, come on now. The argument over *wasting* $40 for a game, which can be returned, really has no grounds to argue upon.
The concept really is a WW2 lovers dream come true. Come on now...
fscott
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Cool! WWIII Online! B)
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Staga, I continue to post, minimally, not because of any problem speaking my mind or fear of rebuttal. Hell no compuncture about doing that at all. Problem is Pyro always locks the topics. My presence and posts seem to attract the responses of a very small and twisted segment of onliners here. Maybe it's a cultural issue. Either way, rest assured, I'm no fan of yours either. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Anyway. I refer to anyone who feels this reactionary need to fill up the country radio channel extolling the clueless absence of defense, or attack, wherever it is they think they see it needed. Those people are what I call 'generals.' Usually they're crass, obnoxious and very bleating about what it is they can plainly see but to which 'everyone' else online is blind to. These are the people who I'd love to hold the virutal door for as they leave.
However not all are like that. Some know how to mix the environment, some of the people and the built in gameplay. They're creative about it. And it's fun for all who want to partake in it and it is not at the expense of anyone elses idea of fun or online time. I can count about two people off the top of my head that match that description; Hangtime and Zigrat.
If you think that the Rats or experienced closed beta testers are going to get the predicted thousands of online players to follow them and thier plans....then you are more clueless about online behavior than I could imagine.
An unofficial age poll on the WW2O boards shows about half of all respondants to be teenagers. Compare that with a similar poll of AW and WB's not too long ago that showed them average AW (full realism arenas) was in the mid 30's. WB's average I believe was a few years older.
Yet look at the general forumns here and at AGW. Even though either board is suppoed to be about 10% of the online subscribers. They really DO reflect the community as a whole. In that perspective I would wager WW2O will become known as "Pandemonium High Online - 1 5n1p3r U!!" No one tells a teen they have to do this, by this time and in this manner. Add in folks of any age who crave the attention they want but can only get by doing the negative things others disapprove of online and well, ...ever play Fighter Ace?
All I can say I guess is, you'll see. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Fscott, if they pull it off and it is as good as so many wish for, I'll think of something as a reward for me being out in left field.
Truthfully? If I thought that I would not be paying $40.00 for a simple drink coaster I would have pre-ordered it already.
As for why do we argue this stuff? IMO it's quite simple, for the same reason guys do the same in bars and pubs but about different sports teams, racing cars/motorcylces, MaryAnn or Ginger and other such things.
And it doesn't have to get personal, but often does. We just can't (fortunately) go "outside" and fight it out like in real life (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy MOL (edited 05-28-2001).]
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Originally posted by fscott:
The concept really is a WW2 lovers dream come true. Come on now...
The ground war does not interest me in anyway. Only the air war. If that's a complete cluster f*ck, like some are saying (who are claiming to be in the beta) then I have absolutely no interest in this product or in it's concept.
-SW
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Westy, I find myself agreeing with ya on the mechanics of missions, etc. I've been online since Meridian 59 (what's that, 6 years ago now?). And one thing that stands out is that people who game online are just like the general population: they got a real problem working together. Everyone has their own idea of how things should be done, and of course it's the ONLY way it should be done.
I don't envy any developer that has to make a game work around "player cooperation". I've actually given this quite a bit of thought lately. But most of the questions I have are totally unanswerable right now, because we don't know the mechanics of the mission system (or anything else) in WWIIOL. Like, what's to keep your mission participants focused on the tasks assigned to them? Once they join the mission, what's to keep them from lounging around the spawn point and letting the others get ground to hamburger so they can get their mission points at no risk? And there are a ton of other scenarios I can come up with, and I'll bet you can, too.
We'll just have to see how the Rats work all this out. It could be major fun, or it could be major frustration. More than likely, it'll be both (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Vulcan: I cancelled my subscription the same day 1.07 came out, and I saw what HTC had changed and the direction they were heading. The door didn't have a chance to hit me in the ass, I was moving too fast (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I don't know about you, but I've always wanted to strafe truck convoys, tanks and troopers on ground with my shiny new flying warmachine... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
So in that sense my hopes are high for WW2OL.
OTOH, I'm more than worried that the FPS section of it will bring the quake types (with the cheats that go with them.)
WW2OL has the potential to be anything. A great game or a total mess. Let's see..
BRING IN THE OPEN BETA!!!
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Degas, I was *very much* interested in WW2O from it's beginning and remained so up to about six months ago. It's not that I wish CRS folks ill. I've lost interest and have grown skepticle due to several features they have decided to "introduce" as well as thier decision to make players buy a $40 US box game that is unusable in an off line mode.
If you enjoy it, that's al that matters.
<S>
-Westy
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The thing that worries me the most is the maturity of the player base. I discussed this at length with my ad-hoc "squad" that I flew with in AH, all of whom are heading to WWIIOL, at least on a trial basis.
Just the tone of the BB at playnet.com is enough to worry anyone.
I'm not going to lose sleep over it, though. I'm certain that it's going to boil down to finding a group of like-minded people and getting together with them in the game. Just like it has with every other online game I've played.
At least in sims, you don't have to put up with people running around dissing you because you don't say "thee" and "thou" instead of "you" and "yours", LOL.
CRS says that this "has never been tried before". IMO, that's wrong. It's been tried a LOT. It's the subject matter and the size of the virtual game world that are new. Sociologically, there's not much difference between Ultima Online and WWII Online. The true test of WWIIOL will be the mechanics of the game, and how the Rats have implemented them to curtail destructive and anti-social behavior.
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"At least in sims, you don't have to put up with people running around dissing you because you don't say "thee" and "thou" instead of "you" and "yours", LOL."
LOL!!!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I just hope the damned thing works and works well, competition is good.
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When did they put this thing in here and WTF is it for?
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In AH H2H you can find guys that'll give you toejam because you aren't a "masta blasta .50 cappa in their assa"
Really... you are gonna get a lot of the "I cap yo bellybutton MF" and the "you chickening out on me?" kinda crap there.
The guys "practicing" for WW2Ol are doing it in the free AH H2H, so you can get a pretty good idea of who or what you are going to be playing with and against there...
-SW
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Regardless if the game runs, or has bugs, or is any competition, I feel that the air aspect is lower on the list of priorities over there. That's not to say it's tossed in as an afterthought; but I believe the ground war is where the emphasis is, and the air war is there to support it.
You also have to remember that for the next while (a year? more?), the plane choices are seriously limited to early war.
How many people playing Aces High want an RPS? How many people want an Historical Arena at AH? How many people enjoy early war planes? How many will go for a limited plane set?
WWIIOL can offer a limited early war planeset, historical matchups, and the ground war to back it up. It could end up being like a 24 hour scenario.
I really don't think WWIIOL will be for everybody due to the above reasons and more -- I have not even mentioned flight and gunnery modeling. The more I think about it, the more I do *not* see WWIIOL being the competition to WB or AH, at least for those who are interested only in the air aspect of a game. I see it more of a diversion, or something for those interested in more than air combat, or something for people who want strategy and goal-oriented combat (if that really pans out). That's stuff I look for in the MA and is sometimes difficult to find. Although, I have not played AH for two months now (still paying) -- is the MA any different than it was a few months ago?
just my opinions and thoughts
Fury
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SeaWulfe, that's why the Almighty Old God Pyro invented the eject command. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Flakbait [Delta6]
Delta Six's Flight School (http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6)
Put the P-61B in Aces High
"With all due respect Chaplian, I don't think God wants to hear from me right now.
I'm gonna go out there and remove one of His creations from this universe.
And when I get back I'm gonna drink a bottle of Scotch like it was Chiggy von
Richthofen's blood and celebrate his death."
Col. McQueen, Space: Above and Beyond
(http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6/htbin/delta6.jpg)
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Fury, I was gonna post that exact thought, but I was worried about the NDA, HiTech said it best along time ago.."Our product is not in competition with WW2 Online..." He is correct I believe.
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I don't host Flak, I only join H2H games cuz I'm on a lowly 56K modem so I can't eject anyone.
But these guys are going to be playing WW2Ol, so you know... it's kind of hard to moderate the proposed 1500+ players per server.
-SW
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Fury, I was gonna post that exact thought, but I was worried about the NDA, HiTech said it best along time ago.."Our product is not in competition with WW2 Online..." He is correct I believe.
So is not in Competition with ww2online,way so many change it?CS is not in Competition with UT?WB&AH...Do you have its own opinion? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
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Somebody above said:
The ones who left ICI/IEN and started CRS are djust as talented as Pyro & Hitech
That sir, remains to be seen.
Show me any other state-of-the-art game that is only an 18 Meg download. HT is a programming gawd, and I put him right up there with guys like Carmack from id. He does amazing things with less requirements... a truely talented programmer. Pyro's skills, knowledge, and experience is harder to quantify, but he is also a very big part of why HTC succeeds IMHO.
Pyro and HiTech are extremely talented and knowledgeable folks. They've been doing this a long time, and are active members of the community to boot. I'll believe somebody else can do as good a job when I see it.
Lephturn
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I wont even touch this one with an 10 yard stick leph.
Regards.
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Possi:
I think we lost something in translation on your last post, but what I think you are asking me is my opinion? I cannot give it due to an NDA, but HTC (Aces High) has stated many times that "It's a flight-sim-first" meaning more focus will be brought to the flight sim aspect of this game than any other part of the game. CRS I believe it covering a broader range than just one aspect...the question remains, can they be good in all aspects while covering such a broad field? That's to be determined. (For me to know, for you to find out)
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Come June6th you can fill us in, right Rip?
-SW
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I still want to know who these supposed WWII pilots are that are playing WW2Ol... Possi you claimed they are in there... now who are they?
-SW
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This basically comes down to something I said 1.5 years ago on AGW...
"You have a brown horse, I have a white horse, but we both have horses and enjoy riding"...ie. its good to have yet more to choose from in the market. Will anything WW2 Online do affect AH market? Doubt it. Will anything AH do affect the WW2 Online market? Doubt it.
Possi, incidently, you do know that the United States Air Force Academy is using Aces High as a training tool for basic ACM and BFM for their students right? That says alot about the quality of this flight sim!
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Hehe Jig, you have any luck yet?
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Sorry no Names yet before all down (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
US-Army take the Delta Force too for Basictraining(diff. Version) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Wait for IL-2,there you feel really FM,believe me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Oleg make all correct(z.b.not all Germanplans have MW50)
There USForce testing the FM from Germanplanes wrong(z.b.there fly a FW190A-8 but there think there fly A-4)and and...
The FM-Data from Russian the same like the Germansdata...
So way you think that the USA have always the best? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/mad.gif)
[This message has been edited by Possi (edited 05-29-2001).]
[This message has been edited by Possi (edited 05-29-2001).]
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USA have always the best!
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The USA won the war, now didn't they?
I rest my case.
<G>
Oh yeah, btw... I can whoop up on American planes in German, Russian, British or Japanese planes in AH.
Of course I'm a firm believer of it's the man flying the machine theory.
-SW
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Raubvogel
LuftJägerKorps (http://www.luftjagerkorps.com)
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Originally posted by SeaWulfe:
The USA won the war, now didn't they?
I rest my case.
<G>
Oh yeah, btw... I can whoop up on American planes in German, Russian, British or Japanese planes in AH.
Of course I'm a firm believer of it's the man flying the machine theory.
-SW
Vietnam War (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Fatty:
USA have always the best!
I visit USA 5 Times,and no US not have always the best (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
No Culture,you know Geothe and Schiller?,all what you know is Fast Food and think USA is middlepoint of the World (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Ich glaube langsam mach ich mich hier zu Idioten (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Ozark
XO 332nd Flying Mongrels (http://peterson.gm.is/)
"I'm getting better!!! No you're not, you'll be stone dead in a moment"
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Germany has won how many world wars THEY started?
Hmmmmmm
-SW
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I kid you Possi, because I could care less when and where the US has the best of anything. It certainly will have nothing to do with whether or not I play wwiionline when it comes out or any time in the future.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Hehe Jig, you have any luck yet?
Would you believe after 6 years somebody FINALLY beat me out my handle?
But yeah I've been lucky I spose.
<cough>
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hey Possi,
das haste davon, im AH Forum von einem anderen Spiel zu sprechen
und gleichzeitig über AH und deren FM zu lästern, gleichzeitig
aber keine Beweise zu bringen. Die Piloten von denen du redest
sollen ja noch geheim bleiben, besser wäre es gewesen du hättest
alles zusammen mit den Piloten namen gepostet, dann hättest du
wenigstens etwas in der hand. Jetzt ist es nur heisse Luft (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Da keine vernünftigen Argumente in diesem Thread existieren bedient
man sich der billigsten, wie zum Beispiel mein Land ist ja eh besser
als Dein Land.
Das ist mir wirklich ein Rätsel warum sowas immer ausarten muss
und wer mehr Weltkriege gewonnen/verloren hat, was hat das mit dem
Flugmodell von AH zu tuen ? siehste.
Gruss aus dem Süden Deutschlands
Gh0stFT
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Originally posted by Gh0stFT:
hey Possi,
das haste davon, im AH Forum von einem anderen Spiel zu sprechen
und gleichzeitig über AH und deren FM zu lästern, gleichzeitig
aber keine Beweise zu bringen. Die Piloten von denen du redest
sollen ja noch geheim bleiben, besser wäre es gewesen du hättest
alles zusammen mit den Piloten namen gepostet, dann hättest du
wenigstens etwas in der hand. Jetzt ist es nur heisse Luft (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Da keine vernünftigen Argumente in diesem Thread existieren bedient
man sich der billigsten, wie zum Beispiel mein Land ist ja eh besser
als Dein Land.
Das ist mir wirklich ein Rätsel warum sowas immer ausarten muss
und wer mehr Weltkriege gewonnen/verloren hat, was hat das mit dem
Flugmodell von AH zu tuen ? siehste.
Gruss aus dem Süden Deutschlands
Gh0stFT
Jaja hast ja Recht (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Dewegen werde ich mich hier nicht beteiligen,die wissen eh alles besser (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Jesus Possi, you're a 14 year old German kid aint ya?
Well I have only one thing to say:
TWO WORLD WARS AND ONE WORLD CUP!
And from my Dutch colleage:
GIVE US OUR BIKES BACK!
(ya really have to be Dutch to understand that one).
(http://www.swoop.com/images/logo_small.jpg)
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It's quite natural to get defensive when 'your' game is compared to another product.
However, AH is a lot of things that WWIIOL isn't and vice versa. You see, if you want to occationally drive a Panzer, fight as a Landser, be supply truck driver, captain a sub, fly a dive bomber, provide aircover for large offensives, well then WWIIOL problably is the best single alternative out there (soon out there (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)).
If you want to dogfight, or just try a lot of different planes , then AH and WB is kings, no doubt, at least for the forseeable future.
There's really no valid comparison between AH and WWIIOL, as AH is a niche(sp?) product, while WWIIOL is aimed for the mass market, with it's good and bads.
You say that the community in WWIIOL will be nasty, well you find amazinhunks everywhere. There's always the option not to listen to the BS, and I find that there's a good number of nice people in the WWIIOL community as well, as there is in the AH community.
IMO it's silly to get so attached to a game that you defend it regardless. I know it's easy to get there, but honestly, if WWIIOL sucks, or if anything better and more promising comes along, I will not be the Don Quixote of WWIIOL...
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Jammer, you did know that in AH you can Captain the CV, or pilot a PT boat, or man the guns as your Captain drives, or fire the 5" guns,or be a Pill box gunner, or man the Fleet AA, or man the Field AA, or drive a tank, or be a tank shooter with a buddy, or drive a LVT with a 75mm from the CV group to the shore, then set up camp and shell enemy positions, or drive 10 soldiers to capture a field, or fly 10 soldiers to a field and captur ie, or you can just fly...right? you knew that before you posted about AH being a flight sim only, right? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 05-31-2001).]
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Jammer, you did know that in AH you can Captain the CV, or pilot a PT boat, or man the guns as your Captain drives, or fire the 5" guns,or be a Pill box gunner, or man the Fleet AA, or man the Field AA, or drive a tank, or be a tank shooter with a buddy, or drive a LVT with a 75mm from the CV group to the shore, then set up camp and shell enemy positions, or drive 10 soldiers to capture a field, or fly 10 soldiers to a field and captur ie, or you can just fly...right? you knew that before you posted about AH being a flight sim only, right? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 05-31-2001).]
1. I think he was eluding to the fact that in AH is, first and formost a flight sim and the ground war is secondary.
2. In the other sim the AirCombat will be more level with the tank,navel,grunt aspect. Its more like a 24/7 scenerio. Balanced forces are the key. You do know that you can be a actual grunt and hitch a ride on a vehicle in the other sim (but you knew that didn't you rip) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
3. I don't believe anyone here not bound by NDA can dispell anything that has been said or confirm it. I will say that in any beta test one must be able to look beyond the bugs and such and see the concept/gameplay aspect.
I do believe that AH and "the other sim" do not compete with each other. There certainly seems to be some sim-o-phobia going on here. Some of what I have heard may be true...some is being adversely colored up a bit. I do know there is no reason to "froth" at the mouth and all the teeth gnashing is sort of waisted energy. Just my .02.
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[This message has been edited by Jigster (edited 05-31-2001).]
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I know about those things you mentioned Ripsnort, but apart from the naval aspect which IMO is very nice, the tank/ground war aspect is at best secondary.
AH is IMO primarly a flight sim, with ground and navy added as a 'distraction' (of which some parts are very nicely done). Also, I was lacking the feel of 'sides' and a continous war...
Things I *hope* to find in "the other sim" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I enjoy flying, but I suck at dogfighting it so therefore I'll welcome another style of play.
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I really don't think AH is in any danger; and in fact I think AH has nearly as much ambition as WWII has.
It all depends on the market that AH and WWII are shooting for.
AH is a proven solid product, that in my opinion started out as a flight sim but is slowly moving towards the whole war, ground and sea and air.
AH has a ways to go before they can lure the mass market people interested in only the ground war. Until that time, they get the people geeked on planes who can do the ground war as a diversion. Is there anyone out there who now currently plays the ground/sea exclusively? Is ther anyone who came to AH specifically for the ground/sea aspects? That's an interesting question.
The question is, can AH lure the mass market people into the game, and do they even want to? In order to do that, they would have to
a) lower the price
b) work on the terrain
c) add FPS
d) historical matchups
WWIIOL will not be a financial success due to their flight modelling or their airplanes. They will be a financial success because they can lure the FPS crowd with their ground war. They will hands-down win the "numbers game" (number of people online) because of that. The only people that WWIIOL will steal from AH are those people that are sick of the air war, or want a 24/7 historical matchup of early war planes.
The two products can and probably will coexist and I don't see AH in any trouble in the near future. The population may go down for a while -- that's just natural, people wanting to try out something new. I don't plan on leaving one for the other -- I can still afford to pay for both. And if HTC ever lowers the price, more people will be able to pay for both.
Until HTC comes out and says they are changing their market and going for the masses (i.e. FPS), they will never have the population that WWIIOL does. That's not a bad thing; currently they don't have the population that Fighter Ace has. So what? It all depends on the market they are shooting for and how much they can handle with a small staff.
I personally think that HTC is far ahead of WWII in some aspects, and with a few major tweaks has the chance of doing all that WWII is promising -- and they already have a few years lead-time over WWII.
Man, someone please tell me to shut up, my mouth is running on and on about nothing.
Fury
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Rgr that Jayhawk, Jammer, AH is a Flight sim first (thankfully!)