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Aug. 30 (Bloomberg) -- Rising prices and profits translated into pay packages for oil company chief executive officers that are nearly three times the size of similarly sized businesses, a new study from two watchdog groups said.
In 2005, the CEOs of the largest 15 oil companies averaged $32.7 million in compensation, compared with $11.6 million for all large U.S. firms, according to the study, released today by the Institute for Policy Studies and United for a Fair Economy.
Amid reports of multimillion-dollar pay packages, shareholder activists have sponsored resolutions to limit compensation at companies like Exxon Mobil Corp. and Home Depot Inc. In May, three members of the House of Representatives criticized the retirement benefits of former Exxon CEO Lee Raymond and asked the company to fill a gap in its workers' pension fund.
``Instead of lining the pockets of executives, they should be investing the money into new sources of energy that go beyond fossil oils,'' said Sarah Anderson, director of the global economy project at the Washington-based Institute for Policy Studies, and a co-author of the study.
Anderson's group researches peace, justice and environmental issues. United for a Fair Economy, a non-profit group based in Boston, tries to raise awareness about the effects of ``concentrated wealth and power,'' according to its web site.
Combined $512.9 Million
Last year, the top executives at the 15 largest oil companies earned a total of $512.9 million, the study said. That figure includes the $95.1 million awarded last year to William Greehey, chief executive officer of Valero Energy Corp., the largest U.S. refiner, took home, including salary, bonuses, restricted stock and exercised stock options. Raymond, who retired in January as chief executive officer of Exxon Mobil, the most profitable U.S. company, collected $69.7 million.
Oil executives help manage the bottom lines as well as directing investments in oil and gas as well as fossil fuels, said John Felmy, chief economist at the American Petroleum Institute in Washington.
``They are paying dividends, buying back stock, and managing their businesses well,'' Felmy said. ``Their CEOs should be fairly compensated.''
The groups also examined the pay of defense contractors' chief executives. The top executives at defense contractors and military suppliers have benefited from the boom in government spending since Sept. 11, 2001, and the war in Iraq.
As a group, the CEOs of the 34 defense contractors have received total compensation of just under $1 billion since 2002. The highest-paid executive in the group was George David, the chairman and CEO of United Technologies Corp., the maker of Pratt & Whitney jet engines and the Sikorsky helicopters. David received $31.9 million last year, the study said.
To contact the reporter on this story: Vineeta Anand in Washington at vanand1@bloomberg.net .
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What no mention of Haliburton? I thought they where syphoning off the treasurey as fast as they could? Or was it all just classified by Dick Cheny?
I do agree with one thing in the article though. Before CEOs make so much money they should be required to make sure employee pention funds aren't falling short.
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How dare those evil CEO's work hard and make a lot of money! The outrage!
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what union do them CEO's belong to?
what is funny is they get paid millions even if their company is losing money.
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Is anyone suggesting that we limit salaries?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
Is anyone suggesting that we limit salaries?
lazs
nah, im sure its something slightly less dastardly...like suggesting oil company CEOS take one for the team, so you can fill your hotrod cheaper...
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Jeesus.... that's more than A Rods 252 Million 10 year deal... and CEO's don't have to hit a juiced major league fastball.
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Originally posted by lazs2
Is anyone suggesting that we limit salaries?
lazs
Only the socialists. ;)
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
How dare those evil CEO's work hard and make a lot of money! The outrage!
You mean they actually do work? I thought it was the army of expensive consults that did the work for them.
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Gee I wish I was an oil CEO, maybe then the $2.85 a gallon wouldn't bothar me as I was leaching money of the common people
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Originally posted by john9001
what union do them CEO's belong to?
what is funny is they get paid millions even if their company is losing money.
Then blame the unions and the blue collar worker for making too much money and bringing down the company
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$2.85?
LOL.
Try $3.23 for low test.
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So where's the outrage when those million dollar players on the Red Sox continue their streak of maximum suckage! Dammit, if they are professional players and doing so badly, then that's malpractice, right?? ;)
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Originally posted by Sandman
$2.85?
LOL.
Try $3.23 for low test.
$2.78 here, just topped off
87 oct
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its a very rare Job to be a CEO of a oil company, not many availible.
cutting just one of this salaries have absolutely no
positive impact on me or you, lol....next thread.
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Originally posted by Gh0stFT
its a very rare Job to be a CEO of a oil company, not many availible.
cutting just one of this salaries have absolutely no
positive impact on me or you, lol....next thread.
I'd be happily an over paid consult for one of those companies, primarly consulting a CEO on how to golf. It can be a demanding job to be a consult!
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Originally posted by John Kenneth Galbraith
The salary of the chief executive of a large corporation is not a market award for achievement. It is frequently in the nature of a warm personal gesture by the individual to himself.
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I don't care what the CEO is paid as long as my shares keep making me money. Corporations are not owned by the CEO exclusively and he doesn't decide what to pay himself. The Board and the share holders do that. What they make has no bearing on what you make. The CEO earns money for the share holders or he is replaced. You need to look at what that CEO has earned for the share holders and base his salary on that, not what you pay for a given product.
There's no such thing as 'over paid'...
Bunch a friggin' communists on this forum... :p
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Anyone have the figure for the combined salaries of the Cardinals football team? They are drawing multiple millions and they as a team produce absolutely nothing.
Same for several other entertainment "stars".
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That's a good point Maverick.
I don't know what it costs to get good seats along the 3rd base line at a baseball game where you live, but I was at the NYY vs BlueJays here and the seats were $55./ each
Nice to take your wife a kids to a ball game, but YOUCH!
Then the millionaire players get into a wage dispute with billionaire owners and who's left without baseball? US...The fans!
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
How dare those evil CEO's work hard and make a lot of money! The outrage!
I agree. We should tell them to add another 20% to the pump and enjoy some time off.:rolleyes:
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RPM, they run their cut throat businesses well. I hold nothing against them. Especially now that gas is going down in my neck of the woods.
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Yep. ENRON was pretty good at it, too.
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George Lucas made something like $280 million the year Episode 3 came out.
Tiger Woods is expected to become the first billionaire athlete sometime in the next 8 years.
There's a Mass Tort Lawyer from Texas who's worth an estimated $1.2 billion
The guys from Google went from nearly nothing to net worths exceeding 4 billion, each, in less than 10 years.
These people, and hundreds of others like them, put your CEOs to shame, and, unlike the CEOs, reach these heights much faster ( in proportion to the money they make). Why no *****ing and moaning about them???
The market economy doesn't play Santa to these billionaires, it merely rewards them for the wealth they generate and put back into the very same economy. That which isn't justified generally works itself out of the loop naturally(dot-com bubble, anyone?). Most of the CEOs out there spend decades rising to the top. They head up changes that make companies more profitable, which, in turn, helps everyone. The few guys that spoiled it for everyone, and are famous for doing so, taint the concept of upper management, and that is regretable.
And, when all's said and done, just remember one thing. In every government, in every economy, there's a bottom and there's a top. Communism, socialism, free market, large round rocks with holes in the middle, wherever you are, whatever you call it, there's always somebody getting and somebody giving. The big difference is that here, the top is occupied by thousands of ultra-rich, predominantly honest, highly-intellgent visionaries. The alternative is a top occupied a few dozen crooked maniacs that would just as soon have your home burned to the ground as see one less dollar added to their net worth.
Personally, I think it's pathetic that personal wealth, in this nation, is seen as a symbol of corruption, dishonesty and indulgence. It should be a motivator, and if you shun the good life, then make your big bucks and give them away to whoever you think deserves it more. Whatever you do, stop inflicting your contempt on the people that earn their success and live long enough to reap the rewards.
BTW, in THIS neck of the woods, 93 octane was $2.90/Gal today. Supposed to go down by Thanksgiving.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
RPM, they run their cut throat businesses well. I hold nothing against them. Especially now that gas is going down in my neck of the woods.
Going OT.
Is not there a problem in Alaska? Something to due with corroded pipelines that will have deliveries of oil drop. If this is so, then the price should be going up or was Katrina just too good of an opportunity to gouge the public?
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Originally posted by Neubob
Personally, I think it's pathetic that personal wealth, in this nation, is seen as a symbol of corruption, dishonesty and indulgence. It should be a motivator, and if you shun the good life, then make your big bucks and give them away to whoever you think deserves it more. Whatever you do, stop inflicting your contempt on the people that earn their success and live long enough to reap the rewards.
Ah its people being people...always envious of what the other guy has. And if its more, well dangit, that just aint right in their minds
Kinda like people who dont pay taxes complaining those who DO getting any level of a tax cut.
But...that's another story :)
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Originally posted by Bruno
I don't care what the CEO is paid as long as my shares keep making me money. Corporations are not owned by the CEO exclusively and he doesn't decide what to pay himself. The Board and the share holders do that. What they make has no bearing on what you make. The CEO earns money for the share holders or he is replaced. You need to look at what that CEO has earned for the share holders and base his salary on that, not what you pay for a given product.
There's no such thing as 'over paid'...
Bunch a friggin' communists on this forum... :p
:aok
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I bet even I could bring record earnings to an oil company with the pump prices we have been having.
Reward them if they make good money for the company during tough times and thats just fine.
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i wouldnt be one to say that we should ever legislate wages...but all things considered, i certainly dont mind a bit of social flashlite on the bozos who think they need that much more than every body else to make thier mummies love them.
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Down to 2.66 here
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wonder why?
starts with a -E ends with
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Are some of you guys for real?
If the movie producers made nothing it would drop the cost at the boxoffice a few cents.
If the oil companies... the entire entity.... made ZERO profit.... it would drop the price at the pump a whole....... Ten frigging cents!
We are awash in oil... we have offshore and Alaskan oil.. we can refine high sulpur oil that a loit of countries can't (venezuelan oil).
We Can build nuke power plants to get rid of our dependance....
But we don't...
The democrats and their environmentalist cabal have fought every offshore idea or drilling for oil in Alaska... they have made it impossible for new refineries to start up... they have made it all but impossible for nuke plants to start up and operate.
Soooo You want gas down to $1 a gallon again and the U.S. never to be dependant on foriegn oil again?
Never vote for another democrat and allways write and tell em why. Oh.... mention you are a gun owner too and don't like their views on the second just to rub it in.
lazs
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
RPM, they run their cut throat businesses well. I hold nothing against them. Especially now that gas is going down in my neck of the woods.
yeah.. it's going down... in the past week and a half the 87oct has gone from 2.97 to 2.58 (as of last night).
What's worrying me is how hard they're gonna spike it tomorrow or maybe Saturday morning for the holiday weekend.
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Funny that these studies always leave out one little detail...
What % of total expenses is the CEO's salary?
To put it in perspective, according to charitynavigator.org
The average Human Services (2.39%), Arts (2.48%) and Public Benefit (3.21%) charity also spend a smaller percentage of their expenses on the CEO's pay.
Environmental (5.53%), International (4.52%), Religious (4.34%), Health (4.03%) and Animal (3.91%) charities spend a higher percentage on their top executive's compensation.
(http://www.charitynavigator.org/_gfx_/charts/ceo_salary_expenses.gif)
(http://www.charitynavigator.org/_gfx_/charts/ceo_salary_sizes.gif)
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Originally posted by Neubob
George Lucas made something like $280 million the year Episode 3 came out.
Tiger Woods is expected to become the first billionaire athlete sometime in the next 8 years.
There's a Mass Tort Lawyer from Texas who's worth an estimated $1.2 billion
The guys from Google went from nearly nothing to net worths exceeding 4 billion, each, in less than 10 years.
Lucas; you don't need to buy a movie ticket to heat your home nor get to work. Lucas's work is non essential and you can always watch a non Lucas movie..
Tiger Woods; You don't have to buy products endorsed by Tiger Woods (ie Nike shoes and Buicks, they are close to non essential and you can always not go to a golf expo and buy a product not promoted by him.
The Texas lawyer: definitely non essential, there are enough attorneys around.
Google: You don't need Google to get to work or heat your home. If Google charged $3.00 per search, it would go out of business overnight.
Unfortunately, fossil fuels are essentials... competion is laughable as they all charge a price that is agreed upon in closed door meetings, they never try to undercut each other to form competion, there are fewer oil companies now than there was 10 years ago, and you don't see any of the tycoons mentioned above throwing money into the US Government to keep this country away from alternatives to fossil fuels as well as keeping any 'oil unfriendly' bills from passing.
Its incredibly pathetic.... and frankly, we are all screwed. Get ready to pay a blood debt to keep those SUVs running...
edit: this isn't a post against the CEO's profit, it is against the record oil company profit.
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sooo.... take away all of oils profit and you reduce price at the pump by......
TEN CENTS..
Allow more refineries to be built without represive environmentalists and allow more nuke plants to be built and allow for the exploration of oil offshore and in Alaska and drop the taxes on it to only support road building....
You reduce the price at the pump to about $1 a gallon
First you got to decide that no matter what they promise you.....
Never vote for any democrat. Their idea of equality is making sure everyone is just as bad off.
lazs
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It's not the company's profit that is so galling. It's that CEO's regularly get such exorbitant sums, despite the company's performance. Have you ever met a CEO of a Fortune 500 company? These guys are seldom rocket scientists. Quite often the company would succeed with a chimpanzee in the position, although the comparison disparages chimps.
I have no problems with a CEO that turns a failing company around and makes it profitable again. That's money well spent and earned. But the clowns who sit on Mahogany Row and leech on a company that thrives in spite of them would be run out of town on rail if it weren't for the fact that the board is made up of others just like them. Which is why I'll never work for another F company again.
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never be jealous of other people's profits.
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auger is right, who controls a CEO's pay, the board does, and who is on the board, other CEO's, it's a "you vote for my 20 million bonus and i'll vote for yours".
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Originally posted by Delirium
Lucas; you don't need to buy a movie ticket to heat your home nor get to work. Lucas's work is non essential and you can always watch a non Lucas movie..
Tiger Woods; You don't have to buy products endorsed by Tiger Woods (ie Nike shoes and Buicks, they are close to non essential and you can always not go to a golf expo and buy a product not promoted by him.
The Texas lawyer: definitely non essential, there are enough attorneys around.
Google: You don't need Google to get to work or heat your home. If Google charged $3.00 per search, it would go out of business overnight.
Unfortunately, fossil fuels are essentials... competion is laughable as they all charge a price that is agreed upon in closed door meetings, they never try to undercut each other to form competion, there are fewer oil companies now than there was 10 years ago, and you don't see any of the tycoons mentioned above throwing money into the US Government to keep this country away from alternatives to fossil fuels as well as keeping any 'oil unfriendly' bills from passing.
Its incredibly pathetic.... and frankly, we are all screwed. Get ready to pay a blood debt to keep those SUVs running...
edit: this isn't a post against the CEO's profit, it is against the record oil company profit.
By this rationale, doctors, plumbers, mechanics, carpenters and construction company CEOs should all be working for peanuts--inevitably, under control of the govt.
I will concede this one thing... The biggest evil these guys represent is a status quo from which we cannot break away. Their salaries, while big, represent fractions of a penny for every tank of gas we buy. Their effects on the developement of technology that is essential to our future independance from the Arab nations, not to mention to the environment, is incalculable.
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yep... the pay of the CEO's is of no real importance to the consumer... it is useful only as a tool used by the socialists to foment class warfare. silly really..
Look to the real enemy of the people... the real reason for higher fuel prices.... the democrats who have fought every chance we had of retaining cheap and plentiful oil and the democrats who have added more and more tax to it..
How do you guys feel about the state government making a 300% or more profit increase on your misery?
That doesn't bother you?
If the sales tax was 7 cents a gallon on gas it is now 21 or more cents a gallon for the same product.
What kind of gullible idiot would worry about the lousy 10 cents a gallon profit the oil companies make?
lazs
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Originally posted by storch
never be jealous of other people's profits.
never be jealous of other people's anything.
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Hey, CEOs gotta eat too. :rofl
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Originally posted by Eagler
never be jealous of other people's anything.
true enough but usually most of those other things stem from being profitable. but I'll stand corrected and modify my statement as well.
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If the CEO can somehow cause all the other competing gas stations to raise and lower their prices at exactly the same time and rate as his companys gas stations, AND not be carted away, much less investigated by the federal govt for price fixing and racketeering and a host of other white collar crimes, then he deserves much more than 37 million dollars.