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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: 1776 on November 10, 2000, 09:05:00 AM
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The mainstream media have injected themselves into our voting process. By calling way too early the state of Florida they have corrupted our process to elect officials!!!
An investigation of the 4th estate needs to be done. ABC,NBC,CBS,FOX,CNN all need to report news not make it out whole cloth!!!
The media has become a propaganda outlet!!!
They fail in their constitutional roll!!!
They are the ones who complain the loudest for campaign reform, but accept a huge portion of the funds expended for campaigning!! What gross and corrupt actions!!!
There is no excuse for their actions of last Tuesday night!!!
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Have you ever watched a sports game? Or did you wait for someone to report a final score? Not quite the same effect.
Observing the election in progress was very interesting. Of course everyone was glued to their TVs.
No private person/corporation has any obligation to report anything.
The media always was a propaganda outlet.
Constitution does not put any obligation on the media.
They are for-profit corporations making their money by selling ads and driving up their ratings. They need no excuse for doing that.
We always could ignore the news and wait for results or watch PBS.
Electing a president is not a decision that should be done while voting is already in progress. If some pople were affected by thet, the fault is with them, not the media.
I would have voted for my choice no matter what. Why should it be different for anyone else?
miko
[This message has been edited by miko2d (edited 11-10-2000).]
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Originally posted by miko2d:
Have you ever watched a sports game? Or did you wait for someone to report a final score? Not quite the same effect.
Observing the election in progress was very interesting. Of course everyone was glued to their TVs.
No private person/corporation has any obligation to report anything.
The media always was a propaganda outlet.
Constitution does not put any obligation on the media.
They are for-profit corporations making their money by selling ads and driving up their ratings. They need no excuse for doing that.
We always could ignore the news and wait for results or watch PBS.
Electing a president is not a decision that should be done while voting is already in progress. If some people were affected by that, the fault is with them, not the media.
I would have voted for my choice no matter what. Why should it be different for anyone else?
miko
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Because the news needs to be balanced without an agenda of their own. Without coming out of the left, stay centered. Maybe the average US citizen is a handsomehunk and absorbs the media spew as if it were the God given truth. The media is left, they did their best to influence this election. It's a documented fact they (CNN, MSNBC & CSPAN) gave gore more air time than Bush during the campaign speeches. If you don't see this, OPEN your eyes. Be an educated citizen/voter inspired by fact not emotion.
Eagler
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The media is now feeding into chaos by their current "reporting" of the situation in Florida!!! Nowhere have I seen a clear, educational, calm explanation of the process taking place in Florida!!! They are purposely feeding chaos!!!
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Originally posted by 1776:
The media is now feeding into chaos by their current "reporting" of the situation in Florida!!! Nowhere have I seen a clear, educational, calm explanation of the process taking place in Florida!!! They are purposely feeding chaos!!!
Agree, they are assisting Jesse Jackson who is busy twisting this into a race issue. The BS continues to pile up here in FL. I'm proud my county gave additional votes to Bush over gore during the recount. "Both votes" gave Bush our county (Hillsborough) & the majority of the counties in FL!! Just a few were gore and these seem oddly over gored.
Eagler
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It's a documented fact they (CNN, MSNBC & CSPAN) gave gore more air time than Bush during the campaign speeches. - Eagler
Really? I'm kinda suprised by that, actually. Where is this documented? Can you point me to that info?
Thanks.
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Originally posted by Nash:
Really? I'm kind of surprised by that, actually. Where is this documented? Can you point me to that info?
Thanks.
I'd point you to your television with a stop watch. Deny it if you want, won't change the truth.
Eagler
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For this reason (Media chaos feeding into the confusion) is the exact reason a re-vote would be unfair, and unconstitutional, the vote would be swayed...thank God our forefathers foresee the future, and made the constitution with road blocks for loopholes.
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In Britain, the BBC has to give EXACTLY the same amount of air time to the opinions of all three major parties; whether in the form of party political broadcasts or when doing a factual summary of the issues at stake. Perhaps if the media could agree to do a similar thing in the States, accusations of bias when it comes to airtime would then be immediately refutable.
Just an idea...
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Eagler - you saying you can't find this "documented fact"?
Are you saying that *you* in fact documented this by sitting in front of a TV with a stop watch?
Alot of people are gonna buy this kind of rhetoric because they are already predisposed to want to hear it. For some of us though, these kinds of cliche statements ring so typically absurd. This board is so covered with these kinds of "facts", just tossed out there as if, repeated enough, they become true. Perhaps you now beleive this particular little "fact" because you yourself have heard it enough times.
Again, if you can point me to where this documunted fact is indeed documented, I would be grateful. Otherwise, I will continue to read these kinds of posts with a chuckle.
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The decision was made to report false information to the American public Tuesday nite, FACT!!! It was deliberate, FACT!!! They knew voting was going on in the central time zone,FACT!!!! The mainstream media by this action has provided proof they are bias and corrupt, FACT!!!! The mainstream media now are in the process of creating choas by their non-stop reporting of fringe-group activity, FACT!!!
Folks, they may not be happy til we are in the streets!!!!
Maybe the cubans that attacked CNN are on the right path, what ya think?
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Thanks Dowding, its always nice to hear how everything's better in the UK (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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End of Days Alert! End of Days Alert!
I actually agree with Dowding.
The airwaves theoretically belong to the people and are regulated by the government (FTC).
I don't think that using the "equal time" aspect Dowding has mentioned would hurt a bit.
Of course, then you'd be really entertained by some networks ideas of what "equal time" is.
Candiate X is shown hugging his family, Candidate Y is shown kicking his dog. Both for 3 minutes. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Figures lie, liars figure.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I think you are a subject not a citizen in the UK. Which means you are allowed to live or die at the whim of one human being. Ya, sure, a nice place to live heheeeeeee (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Remember... the media was basing their reports on polling... you know... asking people who they voted for when left the booth... and in one county in particular, I think quite a few people reported voting for someone their actual ballot didn't reflect. However... even if Gore tallied 20,000 more votes in Palm B County, the race was still to close to call. It is downright silly to claim media bias... because they called the race TWICE for different candidates... and it still hasn't been decided.
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Originally posted by Eagler:
Because the news needs to be balanced without an agenda of their own. Without coming out of the left, stay centered. Maybe the average US citizen is a handsomehunk and absorbs the media spew as if it were the God given truth. The media is left, they did their best to influence this election. It's a documented fact they (CNN, MSNBC & CSPAN) gave gore more air time than Bush during the campaign speeches. If you don't see this, OPEN your eyes. Be an educated citizen/voter inspired by fact not emotion.
Eagler
Eagler,
Open your eyes and read my post.
I am not saying that the media is not doing all those alleged things. I am saying that media is private corporations that are making money by showing us what we will watch most.
There is no legal way to make anyone say anything, truth or lies. Government does not control or own media here.
You can send a letter to the media company or buy shares and vote at the shareholder meeting. Or stop watching and buying it and tell other to do so.
Or open your own company and say/print whatever you want.
"News needs to be balanced" - that is the same as saying "people should be smart". It is a nice thing to fantacise about but it has nothing to do with reality.
I am a republican and hate the liberal media but what they do is perfectly legal. Any restriction on what they say is would be a violation of their Freedom if Speech.
miko.
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I don't buy it, the media would rather report accurately to save face, than to swing a vote and look bad..I just think this is a conspiracy theory, granted they're bias IMO, but I just don't buy the fact that they would purposely try to swing a vote one way or another, they screwed up, plain and simple. They should NOT allow any press coverage on voters booths until after they close...
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Originally posted by Nash:
Eagler - you saying you can't find this "documented fact"?
Are you saying that *you* in fact documented this by sitting in front of a TV with a stop watch?
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That's exactly what I'm saying and I invite you to do it today. The trend continues. If you can't see it, take your blinders off. You can't tell me you don't notice the bias.
Eagler
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
They should NOT allow any press coverage on voters booths until after they close...
And who should "they" be? Big Brothers? What about freedom of press? Freedom of speech?
It would be nice to have a constitutional amendment that would disallow any election-related reporting on the day of the election, I would vote for it.
Otherwise those slimy bastards should be able to print/say what they want.
Media only cares about accuracy as long as it is profitable. And with a talanted writer/director, fiction is always more interesting then fact and easier managed.
The media owners/bosses are mostly liberal democrats, so what pressure they exersice is not directed towards republicans. But that is also their right.
Why would'n they try to swing a vote towards their favorite party? What do you think all those endorsements mean? What about corporate donations? No conspiracy here - everything is perfectly open and legal.
What would be a point of buying a media company if you could not say what you want?
miko
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Miko, what I'm saying is that should be either A) Responsible enough to not report dis-information which could sway a vote (Which they are not) or B) Not allowed to give a designated time that a specified voter's county has technically 'Closed'...this can hurt all parties at the polls.
Edit: This is NOT the first time something like this has happened.
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Rip, the facts contradict your generous assessment!!!
The decision to announce information is a product of many minds in the newsrooms. When it was announced in the Fox newsroom a female orgasm can be over heard!!!!
I hardly think Monica is currently working for Fox!!
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Originally posted by 1776:
The decision to announce information is a product of many minds in the newsrooms. When it was announced in the Fox newsroom a female orgasm can be over heard!!!!
1776
Are you sure you weren't sitting on the remote and it kicked back to the Playboy channel (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Eagler
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The news media should keep it's mouth shut until all the polls are closed. Nuff said!
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Miko, what I'm saying is that should ...
I was not arguing about that, Rip. Of course they should. But it's like saying "people should be polite". You cannot do anything about them.
You can enlighten people who would listen to you, like you are trying to do here, but that is pretty much all.
miko
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I think you are a subject not a citizen in the UK. Which means you are allowed to live or die at the whim of one human being.
Think what you like. But don't YOU live or die at the whim of one human being? If another large scale war happened tomorrow and you were drafted, then wouldn't it be true that your life could be ended at the whim of your president?
If you care to look into our governmental system a little further I think you'll find that we have something called a constitutional monarchy. This means that the Queen is a figure-head monarch only and the last time a British monarch went against a parlimentary decision was in 1750.
I am very much a citizen, thank-you.
I was just making a suggestion, yet you are unable to look at it critically. Sad.
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I think the media coverage was moronic. They were calling Illinois for Gore... and I was on my way to vote. Pathetic. There oughta be a law...
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A law? Wouldn't that conflict with that "First Ammendment thing" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Just ribbin' ya Funked. I happen to agree. I believe we have that law here in Canada and it seems to work well.
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Nash good point.
But I wouldn't restrict what the press can report.
However I would stipulate that each state and county must not give any results to the media until the polls are closed everywhere in the US. Termination, heavy fines, and jail sentences for any government employee caught leaking this information before that time. The same kind of rules that are used for classified information.
And I would see if there was a constitutional way put a restriction on pollsters operating near voting stations. I'm not so sure about this one.
But without any official information from states and counties, the TV dweebs would have to report their election-day "results" as what they are - roadkill.
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When results are called by the news organizations, aren't they currently based soley on exit polls?
Anybody know?
Yes, laws for the polling stations wouldn't be unreasonable. However, like you say, gagging the exit polsters and the news media itself would be difficult. And if I'm not mistaken (somebody please correct me) that's the way it currently works.