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Title: Do you believe in "temporary insanity" plea?
Post by: Gunslinger on August 30, 2006, 04:44:05 PM
I know I do:

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Lawyer Stabs Neighbor Believing He Molested 2-Year-Old Daughter

Wednesday, August 30, 2006

 

 
 
 
 
FAIRFIELD, Conn. — A lawyer climbed through a neighbor's bedroom window and stabbed him to death after being told by a family member that the man had molested his 2-year-old daughter, authorities say.

Barry James, 58, was stabbed in the chest nearly a dozen times Monday. The lawyer, Jonathon Edington, 29, was charged with murder and burglary and was released on $1 million bail Wednesday.

Capt. Gary MacNamara said that police had not received a complaint about the child being assaulted before the killing, and "we have no indication it's true or not true."

• More coverage available in FOXNews.com's Crime Center.

Edington's attorney, Michael Sherman, said the information came from Edington's wife. "The daughter gave the mother information which was alarming and disturbing. The mom relayed it to her husband. That was the spark," Sherman said.

James' 87-year-old mother discovered his body. When officers went to Edington's home, they found him standing by his kitchen sink with what appeared to be blood on him, and a large kitchen knife next to him on a counter, authorities said

"He's in shock," Edington's attorney said. "This is the most unexpected turn of events one can imagine with this young man's background."

Police had gone to the neighborhood before, when Edington called to complain that he could see James through a window, police said. "Either he was partly clothed or revealed parts of his anatomy that were inappropriate," MacNamara said.

Edington, a graduate of Syracuse University and Fordham University Law School, has been practicing patent law, Sherman said. Police said Edington has no criminal record.

Rita James declined to comment on her son's death.

James served two days behind bars in 2001 on a drunken driving charge, according to the state Correction Department.

"He had some bizarre behavior over the last month," said Darrell Maynard, a neighbor. "He drove his car through his garage, hit the other neighbor's building."

Another time a neighbor found James intoxicated on the street, Maynard said. James shouted obscenities at children, he said.

As for Edington, Maynard said: "Something had to happen that was terrible for this to have occurred." Edington "seemed like a computer geek or something. He was not anybody you would ever feel you were threatened by."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,211323,00.html
 
Title: Do you believe in "temporary insanity" plea?
Post by: Holden McGroin on August 30, 2006, 04:54:36 PM
What if he killed that guy for nothing?  

What if the dead guy was just a drunkard who just liked to yell at kids and it went no farther than that?
Title: Do you believe in "temporary insanity" plea?
Post by: J_A_B on August 30, 2006, 04:58:27 PM
That's not temporary insanity, that's manslaughter (killing someone in a fit of blind rage).

J_A_B
Title: Do you believe in "temporary insanity" plea?
Post by: Sandman on August 30, 2006, 05:00:56 PM
Temporary insanity is a load of bull****.
Title: Do you believe in "temporary insanity" plea?
Post by: Gunslinger on August 30, 2006, 05:08:28 PM
and if it was true and your daughter?
Title: Do you believe in "temporary insanity" plea?
Post by: lukster on August 30, 2006, 05:10:41 PM
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
and if it was true and your daughter?


I'd call it pest extermination and send the state a bill. :aok
Title: Do you believe in "temporary insanity" plea?
Post by: nirvana on August 30, 2006, 05:12:23 PM
Why no, there are medications for that.  If everyone would just take some prozac and calm down, we could all sip beers on beaches.  I say he was out of line stabbing some guy when he could have probably just as easily worked the system, he is (was) a lawyer.
Title: Do you believe in "temporary insanity" plea?
Post by: Sandman on August 30, 2006, 05:18:14 PM
I hope that Edington doesn't have any other children because he's effectively ended his own life. He's going to prison. He broke into another man's home and killed he killed that man. Justified or not, he's done.
Title: Do you believe in "temporary insanity" plea?
Post by: Gunslinger on August 30, 2006, 05:22:22 PM
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Originally posted by Sandman
I hope that Edington doesn't have any other children because he's effectively ended his own life. He's going to prison. He broke into another man's home and killed he killed that man. Justified or not, he's done.


Yup very true.  What he did was wrong, but as a father I don't know if I could restrain myself in such circumstances.  At least in prison he might not have it so bad killing an alleged child molester.
Title: Re: Do you believe in "temporary insanity" plea?
Post by: Dux on August 30, 2006, 05:35:15 PM
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
... was charged with murder and burglary...


Burglary...? I think there's more to this story than is being reported.
Title: Re: Re: Do you believe in "temporary insanity" plea?
Post by: Elfie on August 30, 2006, 05:36:44 PM
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Originally posted by Dux
Burglary...? I think there's more to this story than is being reported.


Yeah....the guy climbed through his neighbors window uninvited.....burglary....
Title: Do you believe in "temporary insanity" plea?
Post by: lukster on August 30, 2006, 05:40:49 PM
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Originally posted by Sandman
I hope that Edington doesn't have any other children because he's effectively ended his own life. He's going to prison. He broke into another man's home and killed he killed that man. Justified or not, he's done.


I bet he does 10 years max.
Title: Do you believe in "temporary insanity" plea?
Post by: Dux on August 30, 2006, 05:41:34 PM
I stand corrected... I thought burglary was about stealing stuff. Just looked it up.
Thanks, Elfie. :)
Title: Do you believe in "temporary insanity" plea?
Post by: Elfie on August 30, 2006, 07:20:55 PM
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Originally posted by Dux
I stand corrected... I thought burglary was about stealing stuff. Just looked it up.
Thanks, Elfie. :)


I used to think it was just about stealing stuff too until there was an issue with a football recruit that was apparently invited to a girls dorm room. When he tryed to *get some*, she asked him to leave, he got charged with burglary and sexual assault. (paraphrased.)

So apparently even if you are invited in, you can still be charged with burglary if the person decides they dont want you there anymore.
Title: Do you believe in "temporary insanity" plea?
Post by: LePaul on August 30, 2006, 08:14:07 PM
Gun, that's an excuse people use when they refuse to think the law applies to them

I'm surprised you find this attack on a potentially innocent person is OK
Title: Do you believe in "temporary insanity" plea?
Post by: Maverick on August 30, 2006, 10:03:45 PM
I believe there is a legal term that applies to this, it's vigilantism and simple vengeance. It's also a gross violation of the law and a lawyer should have better control overhimself than that.

Sorry I can't buy justifying this. I can sympathise with him but you cannot justify murder based on what is third hand information, definately not substantiated.
Title: Do you believe in "temporary insanity" plea?
Post by: Meatwad on August 30, 2006, 10:11:39 PM
How would this stand up in court, would he represent himself?


Ought to take him out back and drop him like a fly.
Title: Do you believe in "temporary insanity" plea?
Post by: Grayeagle on August 30, 2006, 10:12:13 PM
Law is the buffer to keep things like this from happening.

Hearsay isn't supposed to lead directly to dead guy.

A sound thrashing, maybe .. but this guy went a few large steps too far.

If his daughter had been killed .. and evidence proved this guy had done it.. then a slow, lingering death would be justified .. not a quick one..
..IMHO.

-GE
Title: Do you believe in "temporary insanity" plea?
Post by: lasersailor184 on August 30, 2006, 10:15:16 PM
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it's vigilantism and simple vengeance. It's also a gross violation of the law and a lawyer should have better control overhimself than that.


It's only a gross violation of the law because the people aren't to be trusted with justice.

We all must trust the government with justice, and only the government.  :furious



Anyway, from what it sounds like, it sounds like this guy was going downhill.  And the punishment should be the same regardless if you did it premeditated or did it to keep the fish from laughing at the cars passing by.  Death Penalty.
Title: Do you believe in "temporary insanity" plea?
Post by: wetrat on August 30, 2006, 10:31:55 PM
totally unnecessary... if he was guilty, and was sent to prison for molesting a child, he'd suffer a fate far worse than dying at the end of a knife.
Title: Do you believe in "temporary insanity" plea?
Post by: lasersailor184 on August 30, 2006, 10:48:14 PM
Bull****.  There is nothing out there that is worse then death.  Stop trying to convince yourself otherwise.  It only makes you feel relieved on the outside that you think you're taking the moral high ground.
Title: Do you believe in "temporary insanity" plea?
Post by: doobs on August 30, 2006, 11:11:47 PM
If anybody molested my child they would meet a fate worse than death.
but death being the final outcome.

and I'd make damn sure it was clean.

and buy my hand not some prisioner with some sort of rule of criminal conduct
Title: Do you believe in "temporary insanity" plea?
Post by: Sandman on August 30, 2006, 11:40:52 PM
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
It's only a gross violation of the law because the people aren't to be trusted with justice.

We all must trust the government with justice, and only the government.  :furious  


Damn straight... That whole bit about "of the people, by the people, for the people" was just so much bull****.
Title: Do you believe in "temporary insanity" plea?
Post by: Pongo on August 31, 2006, 12:41:29 AM
how it should be.
Title: Do you believe in "temporary insanity" plea?
Post by: moot on August 31, 2006, 02:28:14 AM
If you're not responsible for your emotions, then who is?
Title: Do you believe in "temporary insanity" plea?
Post by: SMIDSY on August 31, 2006, 02:38:02 AM
growing up in the special education system, i have seen people literally go insane for the afternoon and be perfectly normal the next day. the mind is a complex thing and there is such a thing as temporary insanity. sometimes people get emotions that are impossible for them to control and they do something that they would never do if they were in their right mind (like a woman telling you that she will kill you and crushing your hand while she is giving birth.)
Title: Do you believe in "temporary insanity" plea?
Post by: moot on August 31, 2006, 03:07:50 AM
At which point she's relieved of responsibility because she's surpassed by her own complexities, which aren't hers, but her "wrong" mind's..?
Title: Do you believe in "temporary insanity" plea?
Post by: Nifty on August 31, 2006, 09:03:18 AM
The guy committed manslaughter. Doobs is saying he'd commit premeditated murder.

Individual citizens acting as judge, jury, and executioner outside of the legal system is vigilantism (spelling?), illegal, and flat out wrong.

Now, if a parent witnesses their child being harmed, that's a different story as the parent would honestly fear for their child's life.
Title: Do you believe in "temporary insanity" plea?
Post by: fd ski on August 31, 2006, 09:27:20 AM
what if the guy wasn't guilty ? My 2 year old daughter was quite good at making weirdest **** up.....
Title: Do you believe in "temporary insanity" plea?
Post by: Ripsnort on August 31, 2006, 09:48:28 AM
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Originally posted by fd ski
what if the guy wasn't guilty ? My 2 year old daughter was quite good at making weirdest **** up.....
Well, at the very least, another exposing drunkard is off the street! :D
Title: Do you believe in "temporary insanity" plea?
Post by: FUNKED1 on August 31, 2006, 12:51:08 PM
I don't like insanity pleas in general.  If you are killing people, you should be locked up.  If mental illness is a factor, then by all means put them in a place where they get appropriate treatment.  But keep them locked up.